The evolution of the Edelbrock singleplane intake manifold.

[@joshuagarvey9362]

My buddy still has the tarantula manifold on his garage wall.He likes to run the scorpion still.Old school days.

[@williepotts2185]

Sam Elliott sure knows his small block Chevys.

[@Pookybutt3]

Came here looking for this comment. I really thought he was a Dodge man

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Actually I started with Pontiac, then Oldsmobile and Buick, then I went with Chevy because money goes farther with them. Pontiacs, Oldsmobile, and Buicks are expensive as hell.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

@@Pookybutt3 Built a few Mopars for other people over the years, them things are expensive too. I had a 440 in a 71 Duster years ago. Only Mopar I ever owned.

[@johnsheetz6639]

It's what's for dinner!

[@tonybennett3]

Excellent Video! My Scorpion had been sitting in the garage for 15 years. Going to remove the Weiand, and pair it with my Edelbrock 650, on my 327 for that pure '70's Hotrod esthetic in my '54 Belair!

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Gotta love the 70s, that's the era I grew up in, so it's a heavy influence on me. Them old Scorpions work pretty good. I'd recommend a 2 inch open spacer with it.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Now ya need some gold Moroso valvecovers to go with it.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

My first car was a 53 Chevy. Wanted to build a gasser with it. But I ended up buying a 67 Firebird to build and the old Chevy got parked in the yard.

[@tonybennett3]

@@thereluctantgearhead4544 I inherited my '54 from my Aunt in '92. We've been together since!

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

@@tonybennett3 I'd definitely hold on to that one.

[@michaelgreen7028]

thanks Pal! I always enjoy your content!...and don't forget the old TM1 for sbc's!...it definitely looked like a predecessor to the Victor Jr. too...

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

@@michaelgreen7028 TM-1 was what they called them first. The original SBC single plane. They can still get the job done.

[@biastv1234]

Funniest review ever. Very honest

[@ChrisSmith-nw7be]

Fuckin' A

[@oogboog7049]

This video taught me exactly what i wanted to know about my Original Worker I’ve got. Im definitely gonna swap it for a modern dual plane because its on my daily but ill put it on the shelf for future use

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

@@oogboog7049 Glad to be of help. A RPM will make more torque and similar HP on a typical SBC build. Dave that old shit tho. Getting more rare by the day.

[@oogboog7049]

@@thereluctantgearhead4544 oh yeah i plan to, this motor i got for cheap was built around 3 years ago but all the parts are early 70s/60s 461 camel hump heads, port matched 64 cc combustion cambers. 2.02 intake, 1.60 exhaust. Along with some “motion” valve covers

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

@@oogboog7049 If ya really want a good dual plane intake, look for the old Holley Street Dominator that looks like a GM LT-1 intake. It's a real good piece. Nice runners and plenum volume. Still see them on eBay for $200 or less. The original "Street Dominator" intake was a single plane, but they discontinued it and put the name on a dual plane. The ones from the mid 80s are best. Also GM made a cast iron highrise dual plane for oval track racing, it's a monster. Probably the best dual plane ever made. Got used on Alot of boats too. It's a cast iron version of the old 1970 LT-1 intake that'll take a Holley or Q-jet. Other than the weight, it's a real good piece. I have one I made a video about comparing it to a Edelbrock RPM. Big difference. They can be found on eBay for 2-3 hundred bucks. They were expensive new. Bowtie duel plane. Not much progress been made in the dual plane intake performance since the 90s. Another killer intake is the highrise Mercruser boat intakes that look like a Eddy RPM, but they are way better. Came on Mercruiser Bravo 383s & shit. Expensive as hell tho. Might find a used one reasonable from someone that just thinks it's an old boat intake. I traded a Victor Jr intake for one. New they cost close to a grand. Water jackets are brass, etc. They make Alot of power for a dual plane too. They come powder coated black. Won't corrode for shit. Made to handle salt water. I think the stock boat engine they came on made around 430hp/480tq. They are out there.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

@@oogboog7049 Look for my video on the Bowtie dual plane intake. Check it out. Can't do much better than one of those.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

@@oogboog7049 Makes the RPM look like a stock replacement.

[@MP-pz9oe]

Its very interesting to see the development of this intakes. I used to have an Offenhauser port o sonic, it looked impresive, it had no low end power. Replaced it with an Z/28 unit, big difference !

[@95Sn95]

I have an old original Torker on a warmed over 355 in my old hot rod c1500 it works just fine. I can whack the throttle off idle and light the tires up no hiccups or hesitation that's with 3:08 gears... Seems to have great low ent TQ for a single plane but it would be good for a dual plane and it pulls strong right up to the top so win win I suppose. I had thought about swapping it out for a perf rpm but figured money would be better spent elsewhere.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Yep, them old Torkers worked just fine on millions of engines over the past 50+yrs, people get caught up in the latest thing and think everything old has to suck. I like old shit myself, because I'm old too. There's always better, but then there's always worse too. If something suits my needs, I don't care how old it is. I have a 69 455 Oldsmobile engine with a Torker on it, been sitting on a stand since 2005. Fixin to freshen it up and put it back together, gonna use that old Torker I've had for 30yrs on it too. That engine ran 6.80s in the 8th in a gutted 79 Cutlass. So it worked pretty good for me. My first SBC engine I ever built had a TM1 intake on it with a 750 DP Holley, ported 186 heads on it and a Comp 305H Magnum camshaft. That thing ran damn good for being built by a kid. I dropped it in a Malibu wagon. That engine ended up running mid 7s in the 8th. My first engine I built was a 67 400 Pontiac tho. I was all about the Pontiac and Oldsmobile engines.

[@TheGforcead]

ii had a scorpion 2 edelbrock, 400ci with 350 crank w/ 1 inch spacer and Holley 780 dual feed and 300/500 cam, she was NASTY!!! Loved that 150 shot of Nitrous!! that scorpion and my scorpion 2 had bosses for nitrous, handy.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Them old Scorpion intakes were pretty good for the day. I have my eyes on a Scorpion 2 now. Pretty rare piece.

[@ec9596]

Great info

[@RonaldLewis-py6yt]

Im a little late but Thanks for the history lesson, i ran several of the intakes you shared, I got a Victor Jr 1" tall bought it few years ago and never installed it on an engine! 😊😊

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

The Victor Jr tall is a real good intake. Thanks for watching.

[@ACDGarage_Racing]

Cool video brother, that is quite the collection of intakes you got there, i have never seen the progression of the edelbrock single plane throughout the years in a side by side comparison, very very cool😎 You have all kinds of really good stuff all over, that is so bad ass!! would love to be able to hang out... take care brother...

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Thanks man, I've been collecting this shit for 40yrs. Has a way of piling up as you know.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

I probably have 100+ aftermarket intakes for many different engines.

[@pjimmbojimmbo1990]

I remember in the early 70s when the Torker was marketed as a Manifold for the Grocery Getter. BTW, the Torker came out after the Tarantula. The Tarantula had a Higher Carb Mount and a Deeper Plenum

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

@@pjimmbojimmbo1990 Torker was advertised as 2500-6500rpm, Tarantula was rated at 3500-7500rpm. I've had plenty of both. Also have magazines & catalogs dating back to 69/70 era. They were released pretty much the same time. Torker for street, Tarantula for strip. I remember when they came out.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

@@pjimmbojimmbo1990 They were first called the TM 1

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

@@pjimmbojimmbo1990 Funny thing is people these days think they can't make no power. But I remember a 302 sbc build around 71 that made over 500 HP with a Tarantula intake with a 850 Holley DP, ported & milled 492 angle plug heads, and a .590.600 lift, 260/268@.050 106 lobe separation Crane solid roller cam, 12-1 compression. Believe it turned 8000+rpm. They ran three identical cams in it except for lobe separation, one had 106, next was 108, last was 110. Ranged from 505 HP to almost 520 HP. 106 Lobe separation unit made the most power in that particular build. Also tested three rod lengths, 5.565, 5.700, 6.000 in the same engine, wasn't 5 average HP difference between all of them. Just moved the curves around ever so slightly. That old shit still works. Seen a 460 hp 350 tested with a performer RPM and also a old Torker. Made around the same HP, but the Edelbrock RPM made more torque below 4000 rpm. That was in the late 90s.

[@pjimmbojimmbo1990]

@@thereluctantgearhead4544 I have all the Hot Rod Magazine Articles, too Tarantula article was March of 71, nice pic of the Manifold, tangled in a Spider Web. The Torker Article "A Sweetie for the Streeter" was about a year later

[@pjimmbojimmbo1990]

@@thereluctantgearhead4544 TM-1 was cast on the Manifold

[@pauldhiman8369]

Good video man😉👍🏽

[@BOOT]

Long ago when I was just startling to mess with engines I had a Weiand old style Xcelerator with X style runners I bought from a garage-sale, good mid range. Swapped it out for a used ported vic JR and lost A lot of low/mid power.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Them old Xcelerator Weiand singleplanes, weren't that bad. I've seen plenty of them used on pretty healthy engines back in the day. Popular in the dirt track world back in the day.

[@douglash3129]

What about the TM-1?

[@ThomasELeClair]

............................Edelbrock,.....TM-1 was the first,,,,,The tarantula,,,,,,,we called em spider manifolds.....................

[@johnsheetz6639]

I'd buy that scorpion just for a the cast scorpion on it! Marketing!

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Haha! They are pretty cool.

[@paintnamer6403]

Cool video. Remember the gas ration days of the late '70s? That's when Edelbrock brought out the Streetmaster but even worse was the SP2P intake manifold. Offenhauser had the Duel Port then Holley had the Z manifold designed by Zora Dontov for better low end with a single plane intake.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Yep, those were dark days for sure. That SP2P actually made less power than a stock intake and didn't do shit for gas mileage. Probably get worse if anything. Don't see many of those old late 70s "economy" intakes anymore. The Streetmaster singleplane was definitely a bad piece too. Don't know what they was thinking. It was too small for a stock 283.

[@VATION3RD-GEN-X-GARAGE]

I have a Edelbrock scorpion Aluminum Intake for my 72 Nova on a 383 Stroker sbc but mine says Edelbrock Victor Scorpion....

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Rare old intake. I'd hold on to it. Should be a 1978 casting.

[@drewdavis239]

11/24/22 356. First Victor jr. Looks a lot different than the scorpion inside. Thinner dividers , more floor space between each divider. Suprised you said they were similar. (Prehaps they preform similar?) I know lingenfelter adds epoxy to lengthen / knife edge the dividers with dicent gains.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

I was referring to the dept and height of runners.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

It's obviously different.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Scorpion about a inch deeper plenum than the Torker.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

I've had these intakes hanging on the wall for decades. Probably never use them. I like to collect old intakes tho.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

The 2970 probably gonna go on an engine pretty soon. The old Torker and Scorpion haven't been on a engine in over 30yrs.

[@deerslayer5863]

The oldest single plane edelbrocks wont move much cfms but they look cool

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Yep, shits come a long way.

[@jeremystory6981]

Thanks for the story,,,,,,,,I NEVER HAD scorpions.

[@tissa453]

What’s the part number on the Victor jr right before the super Victor

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

2975

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

The tall one is a 2999

[@ericwilkes238]

Mine has a partition in it

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Which intake you running?

[@juniorwhelchel6337]

I've heard the crows foot intake is good do u know what year andodel cars they came factory on

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

That's probably a LT-1 350 intake from around 1970. Could be a 67-69 Z-28 302 intake or a L-79 350hp 327. All good SBC intakes from the musclecar era.

[@ThomasELeClair]

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,crows foot,,,,,,that snowflake lookin symbol on the factory chevy aluminum manifolds designated where it was cast ; at the Winters foundry..............

[@juniorwhelchel6337]

What stock cast iron Chevy intake is best for performance on dirt oval track racing in your opinion I run pure stock and everything has to be stock

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

The late 60s pre EGR intakes are the best stock cast iron. If your rules allow, GM made a cast iron bowtie intake based on the aluminum 1970 LT-1 intake, but with a Q-jet pattern, came stock on some boats, has a GM part number. It's the best cast iron SBC intake available. I see them for sale usually around $200 bucks from a marine application.

[@juniorwhelchel6337]

Yea everyone used to run them we call them bowtie intakes but unfortunately I can't run it nowadays by the rules do u know anything about the crows foot intakes

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

@@juniorwhelchel6337 That's probably referring to the early units. Intake from a 68 295hp 350, also used on a few others.

[@williepotts2185]

Hey JR you should check out Randy Brezinski for a good cast iron intake . He really makes a stock intake come to life. I think his intakes run better than aftermarket.

[@jeremystory6981]

Hey I run a lot good small blocks with no air filter and 🤣😂🤣,,tall

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

572 at 15hr.

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[@jeremystory6981]

My old car haves a place on the hood,,,,carb std,,, 22 years ago 🤔🤭🤫

[@frankodowd9364]

Holley made the tarantula..

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Edelbrock made the Tarantula. Holley didn't make intakes till the mid 70s.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Tarantula or TM1 came out in the late 60s. First singleplane aftermarket intakes was Torker & Tarantula.

[@ThomasELeClair]

................Correction,,,,,,,The Tarantula was the first single plane single carb manifold from Edelbrock......It was advertised in hot rod magazines months before it's release.......I bought one for my 327 back in 1970.....maybe 2 years later came the Torquer,,,,,,,,,,,then the torquer II ,,,,and the scorpian.........Edelbrock had another smog manifold called the SP2P......tiny runners , big joke.............Anyone that went serious fast ran a Tunnel Ram........................A couple of years ago I found an old Tarantula and a Torquer on ebay ; I bought them for my collection.....................anyway...............................................................

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

A TM1 is a tarantula. I have those magazines from the era myself.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

I have magazines from 1970 showing a tarantula and Torker being sold at the same time. The Torker was the street unit good to 6500rpm, the tarantula was the strip version good to 7500rpm. The tarantula had slightly bigger runners. I'm old too bud. I was alive in those days and I still have a good memory of the shit. Not much else tho. I have over 100+intakes too, I know what I got.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

I've owned or own every single intake Edelbrock ever sold.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Had a SP2P I got that came in a engine I bought, but I gave it away. Same with the old Streetmaster. Worst singleplane ever cast. Stock intake made more power than either one of those.

[@NCmtnDweller]

Mongo - like Vintage Edelbrock stuff

[@Inthefoxhole]

I had one of those old scorpions.Put it on flat top 350.with 041 x heads.Slowed it down.I was in my 20's.Sold it for 75 dollars.Wish I still had it

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Pretty rare piece these days.