The Expanse 2x7 REACTION!! "The Seventh Man"

[@FaultyHammock8791]

I love the scene in the OPA conclave, the way that Dawes politely acknowledges both Fred and Holden, and then proceeds to belittle them as politely as possible in the eyes of all the Belters in the room, a fantastic performance from Jared Harris. Then he goes sniffing about for information on what Fred must surely have, first going to Naomi, then Drummer, and then he finally gets what he wants from Diogo. Also the speculation about Drummer and Dawes's past was hilarious. Can't wait for next Sunday's, though I think that's the case pretty much every time.

[@danilooliveira6580]

Dawes is a guy that I love to hate, he is a beautiful asshole. though I'm not sure if I would like him in the book as much as I like him in the show. Jared Harris amazing performance makes all the difference here. I kinda see that with Marco Inaros, a friend of mine that read the books really like him, but since I just watched the show I hate him, its possible that the actor is just not likeable and is not selling the character very well.

[@streaky81]

There's a whole team of people who work on the dialect and accents and things, a few of the actors have spoken about it before. There are a bunch of specific accents and even local dialects. The thing you''re talking about with basic is called Basic Assistance. It's what people who don't have jobs get, though it's a little more complex than that. She was suggesting the guy would be fired and to never work again, effectively. The show does go more into that at several points.

[@Triskaan]

Ha ! Finally, been waiting all week for this ! This episode is a Jared Harris masterclass in acting !

[@AmazingChi]

Catching up on the reactions. I forget that Eric is the only one with the Fringe knowledge regarding Jared Harris. I hope we get to see Eric bring Fringe to the others one day.

[@Eagle3302PL]

As always Calvin is fully confident in his incorrect statements. Never change my dude.

[@bballgeek33]

@shmadz lmfaooo just wish he wouldnt think hes 100% correct all the time.

[@riccardogemme]

It's kinda fun, even for them, like said Rick during a LOST reaction. Rick: "I'm Calvin confident on this one." Eric "That's very confident!"

[@Haegemon]

They're so smart, but there's stuff they can't guess yet.

[@Eagle3302PL]

@Darkstar What you say makes 0 sense.

[@-6ix559]

@@Eagle3302PL Are you confident about that?

[@axlm.808]

Cara Gee who plays Camina Drummer (Fred Johnson's XO) said she had purposelly worked her belter accent to match with Jared Harris/Anderson Dawes' one because she sees her character as a female version of his.

[@Dragonbornabc123]

The slow burn begins I love the guys theorising

[@Matthew_BKG]

Them referring to Errinwright as Errinwrong was genuinely funny and as someone who has watched all 6 season over half a dozen times, read the books, and read the novellas, I've never thought about that.

[@thomashiggins9320]

You can't just accelerate, and toss some people out, and then "slow the ship down." A mass in motion remains in motion, at the same speed and direction, until acted upon by a force. So, to "slow down" a ship, they'd have to flip the ship around, point the engine in the line of travel, and then light it up to decelerate (or, more precisely, "accelerate in the opposite vector"). If they'd done something like that, someone would've seen them do it. Just turning off the engine doesn't slow down the ship. These little hints about Amos keep getting dropped, throughout the series. He's one of the most fascinating characters to ever appear on television. On Earth, "Basic Assistance," or "Basic," primarily consists of a set of coupons that cover the costs of living. So, people on "Basic" get housing vouchers, and food cards, and clothing vouchers, and other stipends that can only be used for certain things. Most of them don't ever get any "currency" they can use to spend any way they like. As one might expect, the system is rife with corruption and "work-arounds" and other ways for people to convert vouchers into cash. (Most of that gets discussed in the books, though, and not the TV series.) I really like it when you guys start to guess and theorize. You sometimes get really close, and other times you're completely off, and what you get right and what you don't is completely random. It's a blast. :)

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

_"So, to "slow down" a ship, they'd have to flip the ship around, point the engine in the line of travel, and then light it up to decelerate"_ Well, they could have thrusters they can point "forwards", that would slow you a bit.

[@Johmpa]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps "A bit" being the operative word here. The thrusters they have for maneuvering on the Roci are capable of at least 1G of thrust but there is no point to use them to decelerate in open space. The main Epstein-drive capable of ten times the thrust and not using it wastes reaction mass that will run out much quicker than the main drive fuel.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@Johmpa Sure, but we're not talking about stopping dead here. We're talking about slowing down and altering your trajectory (and maybe some passengers jumping off) to confuse pursuers.

[@nothingmuchado]

Basic is not UBI. They get very basic housing and supplies/food/clothing. That's it, no means of exchange other than what they can come up with to barter. The wealth inequality on Earth is extreme.

[@MrJethroha]

Yep, and unlike welfare or UBI, basic exists to prevent people from working, not as a stop gap measure for the unemployed or underpaid. Earth can't logistically employ 15 billion extra people or the environment and economy would collapse. It is a very dystopian vision of the future. It's also fairly unrealistic given that trends indicate world populations leveling out at 11 billion, not 30 billion.

[@Johmpa]

It's also why organized crime is as big of a thing as it is. For half of the population it's the only way to get currency and to be able to aquire anything but the essentials. It acts not just as a black market but an entire black economy.

[@mikek9297]

@@MrJethroha Those trends do not take into account fusion energy and additional supply sources like the Belt.

[@johnjungkook2721]

@@MrJethroha Those trends are based on current environmental factors that obviously don't apply to a society that is colonizing the entire livable solar system. Also, those predictions are fairly utopian considering that human beings throughout history have shown themselves amply capable of forcing masses of other humans into awful living situations.

[@thatquietsong]

The Belters are not a socialist society as a whole, but certain factions of the OPA certainly have that in mind. It's good to keep in mind that The OPA started out as a workers union and expanded into different factions from there.

[@thatquietsong]

To clarify, I'm referring to ideology. The Belt is obviously still under the control of Earth and Mars.

[@MotelsonMars]

"You can't just leave it there. I put a bowl of candy out for trick-or-treat. It doesn't work the way you think!" - lmao

[@JARVISX]

Funny, you guys started watching this series first and now I'm at E3S5 of the series. GUYS IT WILL JUST KEEP GETTING BETTER AND BETTER!!!!.

[@Kennia1998]

I just finished this episode (2x07), I can't believe i didn't watch this before. I must thank blindwave

[@franciscooctavius5957]

I am loving the discussions you all have after each of these episodes. It’s great to see such a good show spark really deep thoughts about space and time. Keep it up boys.

[@fakecubed]

It's actually crazy how good this show gets. At this point in the series it's already better than anything else that was on TV at the time. It only got better from here.

[@dandydeadpool]

Finished Season 5 last week and there are so many things I can't wait to see the guys react to! The Expanse is easily in my Top 3 Sci-Fi shows of all time now.

[@NexX35]

What is the other two?

[@mahi0mail]

"Miller in the back pocket..." You guys are too good. Love it!!

[@BlindWave]

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[@douglas2938]

YES! Oh boy, we're in for so many future discussions about characters and storylines. 🤩

[@adriancooper78]

I'll watch each one of your reviews on the Expanse, to share in the newness of the series to you!!! I've watched the series and audiobooked some of books. I'm excited for you as a group because the roller coaster has just left the station and you guys are on it!!!

[@LeeCarlson]

The Belter Creole was created for The Expanse, each of the actors puts their own spin on the accent because they are all from different places (like all of the different forms of English). Actually, Chrisjen threatened to put man back on Basic Assistance, which is UBI combined with a Housing allowance. Earth's population is given as 30 billion people. Calvin is correct that Amos understands what motivates people and has a lot of "street-smarts."

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

Days, since the crew called Bobbie 'Gunny': 0

[@Dave_L913]

It's almost to the point where they're doing it intentionally, like the way Eric continues to mispronounce Protamollacool.

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

@@Dave_L913 Or Rocinahte lol

[@alnightengale2223]

Every time they talk about why Amos is the way he is I can't help but think "Well... it's much wore than that." Excited to see them pick up on the hints.

[@garethneller8239]

Dawes and Johnson together in one scene is just epic

[@Lexyvil]

Thank you for making my 2021 better, crew.

[@evilvolts]

you were talking about space and the line in Armageddon came back to me We're just in the beginning part of space, we haven't even gotten to outer space yet ]:P

[@technopirate304]

Prior to 1968, travel to the moon was considered going into deep space. Now people think of it as a short hop.

[@LeeCarlson]

You have some faulty data regarding spacesuits because they all seal up when a limb is lost as we saw (indirectly) during the first episode when the ice-miner on the Canterbury lost his arm when the ice-chunk fractured in the Cant's hold.

[@ducktape160]

Americans from the south don't sound like Americans from the north, its the same with belters, They centered around Palles, Cerise, Eros and Tyco Stations to name a few examples. The ascents will be different

[@runningray]

To the question at 39:30 the protomolecule repurposes life. It gives a bit of energy to cells and takes some energy from the cells and converts them to more protomolecule (Kortezar talked about that a bit). So dead cells are looked at like iron ore etc..., can be used as stock to build stuff, but not for repurposing to protomolecule. There is a scene coming up in the next season that shows how protomolecule can use a dead body.

[@TheJanstyler]

I... didnt know you were doing The Expanse... I... just finished Episode 7 of season 2 myself 20 minutes ago. What are the chances? Damn.

[@adriancooper78]

I like the way you fellas work together and analyze the episodes. Where the hell were you fellas on the net when the Expanse first came out???!!!! I'm just trying to figure out what took you fellas so long to watch a good show like the Expanse. We are already in season 5. Please state at the beginning in the middle and the end of your videos NO SPOILERS FROM BOOK READERS AND THOSE WHO HAVE WATCHED THE EPISODES ALREADY!!! And you should state this in writing at the beginning of each video!!!!

[@leonardolf6974]

About the day and night times in space in the books they explain that most stations work with rotations of 8 hours each, 8 sleep, 8 free, 8 work. but there is 3 groups of people for that this timeline is shifted 8 hours from each other so every 8 hours a different group of people is doing each thing.

[@leonardolf6974]

and in mars they live under the rock in tunnels, so the rotation doesn't matters that much

[@BhBc8f8]

I think i just found my new schedule

[@adamcain4037]

Hope that they realise that Bobby's name isn't Gunny soon

[@ThanatoselNyx]

Technically it isn't Bobby either, her name is Roberta. The other two are nicknames.

[@yasminemixon5458]

They do know

[@snarflcat6187]

@@yasminemixon5458 I don't know that you know that they know what we know.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

Bobbie bobs and weaves like a butterfly and stings like Muhammed Ali. Oh drat, that's a spoiler.

[@Kennia1998]

Next 6 episodes are going to be wild

[@emmanuelbaj3944]

Remember the Cant.

[@snarflcat6187]

Holden: 8 equally mixed parents. 3 mothers, 5 fathets.

[@LeeCarlson]

Apparently in the Belt meat is effectively 3D-printed, though there needs to be cells that come from fungi.

[@Yesquire0]

I think it is readily apparent that Amos comes from a still mysterious background, but one which clearly was a world where immediately blowing the brains out of somebody who opposes you was not only a viable option, but probably the first option for all involved in the dispute, and best done before your opposition acts to implement that first option upon you. He's living in a different world right now, so he looks to others for how to get through this new territory. The majority of viewers think Amos is either mentally or emotionally disturbed. I think he's brilliant and free of any and all mental or emotional problems. He lived through where he came from, and that which did not kill him made him stronger than anybody coming from a pampered childhood. He's also a good dude to have on your side if you are going to war, or heading into a war zone.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

That's not how it works though. I wouldn't call it "disturbed" but he clearly can't simply form a "moral compass" himself and compensates for that.

[@Yesquire0]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps He has a well-formed moral compass. It's just not one that works very well in the society he now finds himself living. He knows that. Until he can figure out what does work, he's smart enough to let others point him in the right direction.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@Yesquire0 _"He has a well-formed moral compass."_ No, and your answer reveals you don't understand what "moral compass" means. _"It's just not one that works very well in the society he now finds himself living."_ A "moral compass" is not a thing that "worked well" for you among the Klingons but now "works badly" among the Vulcans. EDIT: Moral _code,_ on the other hand... _"He knows that."_ No, he knows to compensate for what he doesn't do "naturally". ("Naturally" is not the best word since the cause might be nurture i.e. due to how he grew up.) _"Until he can figure out what does work, he's smart enough to let others point him in the right direction."_ No, he can't figure out what does work, that's my point, he's had plenty of time to do so and he's really smart. Sidenote, there is no "accurate" direction. Morality is about good and evil, not about accuracy. Rape is not "inaccurate/wrong", it's evil.

[@Yesquire0]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps Amos is hardly a figure over which to trigger a full-blown debate over moral relativism. If the discussion is limited to Amos, his essence cannot be debated absent the introduction of spoilers in the debate. Debating anyone who thinks there is only one set of rules by which a human being must conduct his life (which, coincidentally, is always a set of rules, his own, that the debater seeks to impose on all others) is a senseless futility, anyway.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@Yesquire0 _"Amos is hardly a figure over which to trigger a full-blown debate over moral relativism."_ I wasn't talking about moral relativism. If anything, you were with _"It's just not one that works very well in the society he now finds himself living."_ _"If the discussion is limited to Amos, his essence cannot be debated absent the introduction of spoilers in the debate."_ If you say so but my point is obvious from the early episodes: He's had time to "turn normal" (so to speak) but he hasn't, he relies on Naomi's moral compass as part of his personal moral code. _"Debating anyone who thinks there is only one set of rules by which a human being must conduct his life (which, coincidentally, is always a set of rules, his own, that the debater seeks to impose on all others) is a senseless futility, anyway."_ I wasn't talking about "rules" (which are a myth anyway, as is "must"). EDIT: If that's confusing to you that is because you don't know the difference between having a moral compass and living by a moral code.

[@mbpoblet]

17:22 No power in the sockets unless you close the circuit. 🤷‍♂️

[@DongusMcBongus]

Fair warning: not spoilers, Cortazar will disappear for a looooooong (Like 5 seasons) time in the story but oh man, when we catch up with him...... :) Yeah, I know but everyone who’s watched the show has asked me what ever happened to him. He’s out there.

[@leepascoe2585]

The belters all sound south African to me

[@LC__15]

Hey Fellas, please check out *Alt Shift X's* video _"Worlds of The Expanse"_ as goes into the worldbuilding of the show in such a short yet detailed 10 minute video without giving too much away especially from where you're up to in the show, it's really relly good :).

[@thomasmain5986]

The living have neural pathways blood flows etc, the dead are just inanimate matter.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

Well, things like hair and nails continue to grow for a while.

[@evilvolts]

laughing at the do do do do do do do do do to Cream Sunshine of my Love song

[@fakecubed]

He grew up in a shitty place. (Baltimore)

[@thedarkflowkiller]

Hahaha I see the Beherit from Berserk hanging on the neck, that answers if you guys liked Berserk or not haha

[@amarawinchester963]

Can I suggest you to watch 12 Monkeys series?! Damn it’s one of the best shows I’ve seen in my life

[@doorran]

point of interest: without putting chicken skin in chicken nuggets the breading would not stick to the baked chicken.

[@LeeCarlson]

While Mars rotates in a period of almost 24 hours, its revolution around the Sun takes almost two Earth years.

[@peterbrazukas7771]

Which makes Bobbie a martian teenager

[@Rune__]

I am fairly certain that left man is right about the basic income

[@snarflcat6187]

Ultimately, as terrific as these writers are, none of them ever gave as much thought to the meta-reasoning of the Protomolecule as you guys are doing!

[@itzjuke6374]

To the person who is reading this, don’t give up on your KZbin channel. Keep going it’s going to get better.

[@rodentnolastname6612]

7th man; worst member of The Blue Man Group 😀

[@peterbrazukas7771]

Tobias Funke was pretty awful

[@rodentnolastname6612]

@@peterbrazukas7771 "I blue myself" 🤣

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

"Imperatives" are a myth, they never exist outside the imagination. No one ever "has to" anything. The rabbit doesn't try to outrun the hungry wolf because it "has to" outrun it.

[@otakarbeinhauer]

I don't know. Most of the science we know seems pretty deterministic. And determinism suggests that everyone "has to" everything. And even if quantum physics is truly random and not deterministic, your body still has to follow it. So... what kind of philosophy are you basing your opinion on?

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@otakarbeinhauer It's not an opinion. My parents did not "have to" have me but they did. I never "had to" eat a single thing in my life, I could have died in my mother's womb but I didn't. Bacteria don't "have to" reproduce but they do. The Sun doesn't "have to" emit radiation onto Earth but it does. If you're out bare handed in the middle of the desert you don't "have to" find food or water, you can just die out there. Determinism is irrelevant to that. We (as in mankind) didn't "have to" render the planet a nuclear wasteland over the Cuban missile crisis but we could have and if "the" universe had begun slightly differently (and thus be a different universe) we (as in "alternate dimension" mankind) would have.

[@otakarbeinhauer]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps it is an opinion.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@otakarbeinhauer How? Seriously, how?

[@JessChillN_]

I know you guys aren’t making me wait this long for attack on titan

[@amj_886]

you should watch jujutsu kaisen its a very good anime

[@Kennia1998]

What is the anime about?

[@amj_886]

@@Kennia1998 there are curses that spawn from human negative emotions so the anime is about fighting them I don't wanna spoil to much

[@Kennia1998]

@@amj_886 looks cool I'll give it a try thank you

[@amj_886]

@@Kennia1998 np glad to help