The Expanse 3x08 'It Reached Out' Blind Reaction!

[@732ReviewCrew]

Don't forget about our movie poll over here on youtube! : kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4rUY5Vjgc6boZI What a crazy episode, theories left and right!

[@Daneelro]

I kept saying to you that you have to pay attention to every little detail, now finally I can be more specific: everything Proto-Miller says has a meaning, but you'll have to piece it together. Good job Mikey to figure out one of the first "riddles" regarding doors & corners and going slow. But there is more - say, you could think & talk about the hat more next time (you discussed it in the last episode).

[@thomashiggins9320]

"Miller told me!" What a great, great scene. 😎

[@SciFiCatGuy]

From the books.... "There was a man once, and his name was Miller. And he found things, but he doesn’t anymore. He saved people if he could. He avenged them if he couldn’t. He sacrificed when he had to. He found the things that were missing. He knew who’d done it, and he did the obvious things because they were obvious. The investigator had grown through his bones, repopulated his eyes with new and unfamiliar life, taken his shape." .................................. "It builds the investigator, and the investigator looks, but does not know. It kills the investigator. It builds the investigator, and the investigator looks, but does not know. It kills the investigator. It builds the investigator, and the investigator looks but does not know, and it does not kill the investigator. It is not aware of a change, that a pattern has broken. The investigator is aware, and it wonders, and because it wonders it looks, and because it looks, the investigator exceeds its boundary conditions, and it kills the investigator. It builds the investigator. Something knows. The investigator hesitates. A pattern has broken, and it isn’t aware that a pattern has broken, but a part of it is. A part of it grasps at the change and tries to tell the investigator. And the investigator stops. Its thoughts are careful as a man walking in a minefield. The investigator hesitates, knows a pattern has been broken. Breaks it a little more. The dead place becomes better defined. It reaches out, and it does not kill the investigator. The investigator exceeds its boundary conditions, and it does not kill the investigator. The investigator considers the dead space, the structure, the reaching out, the reaching out, the reaching out. The investigator licks his lips, he doesn’t have a mouth. He adjusts his hat, he doesn’t have a hat. He wishes in a distant way that he had a beer, he has no body and no passion. He turns his attention to the dead space, to the world, to how you solve unsolvable problems. How you find things that aren’t there. What happens when you do." ................................. "It reaches out, it reaches out, it reaches out, it reaches out- One hundred and thirteen times a second, nothing answers and it reaches out. It is not conscious, though parts of it are. There are structures within it that were once separate organisms; aboriginal, evolved, and complex. It is designed to improvise, to use what is there and then move on. Good enough is good enough, and so the artifacts are ignored or adapted. The conscious parts try to make sense of the reaching out. Try to interpret it." ▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎ I made a short audio clip of *"It reaches out, it reaches out, it reaches out, it reaches out. One hundred and thirteen times a second, nothing answers, and it reaches out."* from the audiobook, ran it through some effects to give it an artificial mechanical sound, and made it my ringtone. It freaks people out when my phone rings and this voice is going "It reaches out...." but it gives me a great opportunity to tell them about The Expanse. 😉 ✌️

[@732ReviewCrew]

We're gonna need some copies of the books soon hmmm

[@AL-fl4jk]

Love the audio mixing in this show. After Holden says “because Miller told me” it’s like the acoustic version of your stomach dropping out

[@corgiluver9718]

Really great reaction. Doors & Corners, the investigator has arrived. Kudos to Mikey for being so in tune with the investigator. So much fun to come.

[@scottlescard6154]

"Time is irrelevant to the Proto-molecule." How, now that's some insight. According to the writers of the books and the show, that's true.

[@ZakhadWOW]

2 billion years on literal ice, and as soon as it encounters living material for "the work" it activates? Yep We saw it's bizarre counter-physics events with Miller and Julie, linking them though they had never met... it's almost like it reached BACKWARD in time.... but thats all so much theorizing.

[@tomvp8512]

8:00 : The thing you don't see coming is the "forgotten arm" a belter boxing term. Most of the rambles are Miller quotes from Book 1.

[@LeeCarlson]

Cohen, the documentary cinematographer is blind and utilizes the drone cameras to see. That is the reason he jumped so hard when Amos smashed the camera that was too close to him.

[@jts8053]

OK, the face Mikey made when Melba hit the dead guy's head? THAT needs to be a Discord emoji!

[@732ReviewCrew]

Ask and ye shall receive.

[@kirkdarling4120]

Anna dis;played how someone in her job should be observant for people who need a kind ear.

[@wagnarokkr]

8:03 in the very first episode Miller explained the Belter phrase "forgotten arm" to his partner as meaning "the thing you don't see coming". one of several things Miller says in this episode that we've heard him say before when he was alive, many of which Holden wasn't there for. a hint that this is not just a hallucination in Holden's brain

[@naynay3710]

Congrats, Mikey! I have no science background, so there's no way I got any kind of ideas when Miller said that. LOL I was completely lost, but you just blurted it out so fast and I was like, "What the hell? He figured that out?!?!" Kudos!

[@ryank5424]

You figured out what miller was saying about the ring a lot faster than I did so I say congrats. It gets a little crazy from here

[@732ReviewCrew]

Editing the videos gives me a super power!!! I get to watch them two times. Once live once during the edit so I notice more things. However.... This episode was filmed with episode 4-7. We did 4 in a row. No time to brain storm and I didn't edit, and this was after 4 hours of videos so it's all tinfoil hat plus me picking up context clues (go into it too fast and it eats you)

[@firefly5677]

It reaches out It reaches out It reaches out It reaches out One hundred and thirteen times a second, nothing answers and it reaches out

[@TheInvestigator]

@12:00 Miller's dialogue is directly from the books. Just another reason for you read them. Written by James S.A. Corey, read by Jefferson Mays: "Doors and corners. It reaches out it reaches out it reaches out. Doors and corners. This could get ugly, kid."

[@naynay3710]

Jefferson Mays was an awesome narrator for the books! 👍

[@TheInvestigator]

agreed! I listen to the books regularly during my commute to/from work.

[@neutchain7838]

Those comedy scenes between Amos and Holden were gold. :) Great writing and acting.

[@PsychoMuffinSDM]

Wow... a subtle detail I never noticed before: the behemoth lets loose a torpedo, and it goes in the direction of the flamey end of the behemoth.... because it is in a braking burn! I swear, there is always something new to be gleamed!

[@Daneelro]

The Expanse is the first sci-fi show that got Newton's Laws of Motion correct in space. I'd wish it had become a new standard, but sadly, no. (BTW even The Expanse doesn't attempt to show Einstein's General Relativity correctly. If it were, the Ring would be a globe.)

[@PsychoMuffinSDM]

@@Daneelro Spoilers to the reactors if they're not on the next episode yet: A globe? Say what you mean? like intersteller? Im not sure what that has to do with GR. A ring seems more plausible, it makes a circular door in both spaces. However... I don't really get what the other side of the ring would be like. Although, I think it should be the same matter phasing stuff as inside the ring space.

[@Daneelro]

@@PsychoMuffinSDM Spoiler space too, Mikey don't read this! Yes, exactly, like the wormhole in Interstellar, because the Ring is supposed to be an artificial wormhole (I think writer Ty Franck said this explicitly). A wormhole not to another place in our Universe but to Ringspace, a separated-out mini-Universe. If you think about it, the flat door idea doesn't really make sense precisely because of the other side you mention: what happens if you pass through it from the Solar System? And how is the Ring structure itself visible from both sides? And what exactly is the inside boundary of Ringspace? A "real" wormhole - that is, the theoretical idea as imagined by physicists on the basis of GR, not the SF trope - has none of these problems. From the outside, it looks like a globe of optical distortion. At centre, you see a little bit of the other side only moderately distorted, and if you orbit the wormhole once, you can use that spot to get a 360-degree scan of what's on the other side of the wormhole. And if you fly at the wormhole from any direction, you'll end up at the same connected far-away location, just exiting in a different direction. As for Ringspace, if you want it limited like in The Expanse, in GR you have the option of it looping back on itself, so you don't have the problem of a border. [The problem you would have instead is stopping this mini-Universe from expanding or collapsing.] So a GR-based Ringspace would look like this: a dark space filled with globes through which various solar systems can be seen, and faint light echoes of yourself visible in every direction. It would be rather mind-bending and confusing as hell (not to mention difficult to render as a special effect). "Matter phasing" would be too woo-woo light SF for the taste of the creators of The Expanse, I think. I think they either omitted reading up on GR-based wormholes or thought that it would be too much for readers/viewers to take in. Note that all of this is just nitpicking from a trained (but not practising) astrophysicist. But I love the show at it is.

[@wagnarokkr]

25:08 "Reverend Doctor" is specifically a Methodist title, it's used for a minister who also holds a doctoral degree

[@732ReviewCrew]

Good to know

[@tonycamas9747]

@@732ReviewCrew Martin Luther King, Jr. was also a "Reverend Doctor." He had a Ph. D. in Systematic Theology from Boston University. We don't know what Anna's doctorate is in, but it's a reasonable supposition that it's in Theology or Divinity or something along those lines; she's not likely an MD. She does make this clear at some point down the line, but she hasn't yet.

[@librarianists]

Good detective work, Mikey! (And thanks for the emoji!)

[@732ReviewCrew]

You're welcome!

[@LeeCarlson]

The question as to why James Holden has eight parents was actually answered in season one when Avarsarela met with Holden's mother.

[@732ReviewCrew]

Yeah but we wonder if there is something more is to that whole situation!

[@LeeCarlson]

@@732ReviewCrew, do you mean something other than a tax dodge allowing eight people to establish generational rights to a huge tract of land in Montana?

[@adamwells9352]

My favorite comment this time: "She makes documentaries: what personal space?" Yep. I think that's why they show Monica not respecting personal space either--the physical representation of her character.

[@scambammer6102]

Monica starts out as typical annoying reporter but has a very nice character arc.

[@tomaszmankowski9103]

I have to admitt that I like this episode the most when it comes to this season. In fact it might be my most favourite episode of the whole series. Except the gore in the brutal scene with Melba, though it will have a great pay off in the future, so also this is actually necessary. There are better episodes, but I love how this one builds the tension for most of the time and suddenly accelerates giving us minutes of the superb edge of your seat action with great character moments and the huge subject of the First Contact just there talking to us in form of Miller. The moment when Holden is there alone for a minute and Miller suddenly appears like a ghost and slowly repeats one, key sentence always gives me goosebumps. Always It was no different while I was watching this video. Congratulations to Mikey for the correct observation. I like a lot about the protomolecule in this episode, but two, subtle things are those which I want to mention. When Holden speaks about Julie the Investigator Miller suddenly glitches for a moment and speaks that he doesn't want to talk about Julie - clearly some traces of actual humanity, of human emotions? Second that the Ring/the Protomolecule was attempting contact many times per second, but it was not a nice, round number, but something different. Clearly from a place with much different units of time - this way making it even more alien. Holden and Amos. Clearly their relationship developed a lot. From several scenes where Amos was ready to kill Holden and one tense scene when Holden was ready to kill Amos in the 'donkey balls' episode of season one we have now a scene where Amos trusts Holden so much that supports Holden's order to go inside the Ring. A crazy order from someone who could and should seem insane to an outside observer. The sabotage of the Rocinante. Clearly the camera man did something, but we do not know what and how many people are involved. I have to say I admire the fact that we have a disabled person and noone talks about it because it doesn't matter in this setting and this situation. He is disabled, but thanks to the technology he can see or perhaps 'feel' space and objects. In many ways the character is treated as Geordi in Star Trek TNG who is also a blind person. The Expanse much like TNG avoids easy tropes about a disability to drive the plot. We have the actual plot and the character is just doing his job. Plus the camera man is not exactly a nice person which means he can be an ass...le much like anybody else. Why Uranus. I have a nice comment about it, but it has to wait... would spoil too much. Take care!

[@732ReviewCrew]

We love the development between Amos and Holden, the actual growth between them is beautiful to see and we delve into complex characters. The camera operator, I don't believe we even noticed he was blind because he can see still through drones. I thought maybe it was cybernetics that just make him so much more skilled and the tradeoff is he can only see through drones or something!

[@naynay3710]

@@732ReviewCrew It might have been hard for you to see, but the camera man has things attached to his fingertips that he uses to "see" and control the drones. That's why he always has his hands out in front of him, moving them strangely.

[@davidbergfors6820]

18:46 Love this whole interaction! "good catch" "you must be using that marsian 'adderal"" "are you seeing Miller right now?"

[@BigSeth1090]

Understand fellas, this is the episode where you crest the hill of a roller coaster. If you think this episode hits hard and fast, just try to hold on. But this “section” of the series may be my single favorite of the whole run.

[@732ReviewCrew]

It's been crazy non stop since season 3 started!

[@ZizouZico]

You guys ask great questions in the discussion. For the questions about why the PM started in our solar system on a moon of Saturn (Phoebe, IIRC) and then went back out beyond the far outer planets, the moon of Saturn was actually captured by Saturn’s gravity. It was not a naturally occurring moon of Saturn. I think they mentioned in an earlier episode that, in this story, Phoebe was on its way to earth but was captured by Saturn’s gravity. So, that part of the PM’s location was unintentional. In our reality, Phoebe is actually believed to be a Kuiper Belt Object that was captured by Saturn long ago. As for the question about why the PM set up the ring that far out, I think it could be a spoiler, at least for the last few books, so I don’t want to say much. I’d just add that there could be good, practical reasons why you may want to set up a structure in a solar system sort of far out.

[@kirkdarling4120]

As far back in the past as the Protomolecule builders first noted our system and sent a sub-light vehicle toward it, I don't think they could have been actually targeting Earth specifically. I think they saw a young star with at least three (maybe four) planets developing in its Goldilocks Zone and just took the chance.

[@ZakhadWOW]

it's not truly a spoiler - It needs to be a certain distance out from the system primary (star).. And as far as it's exact placement? Much like how Lagrange pints provide stable gravitational points (see James Webb Space Telescope info, it is orbiting on of Earth's lagrange points) That ring would need to be roughly equidistant between orbits of Ura/Nep to minimize the effect of either on its' stationkeeping. It's unclear if it is static or actually moving in an oribt. I'll be vague and say this - given the age of Phoebe, that PM sat there waiting for over 2 billion years, and still activated as soon as it encountered living base material for "The work". GIven the insane concept of flinging a small moon across interstellar distances, one has to make certain assumptions about the ancient civilization responsible.. The ring is where it needs to be because that' what the programmers write into the program. Hell the programming doesnt even know if anything remains of it's original civilization.

[@LeeCarlson]

We know that the Roci is now in freefall, having passed through the Ring.

[@jamesholland5761]

Great reaction and analysis guys! Mikey figured out Miller riddle pretty quick! Awesome! Also loved Mike's face when Melba crushed that guys head! And Mike laughing saying what is going on! Looking forward to the next one!

[@berniezenis4876]

What a great ride the 3 of you went on during this episode.

[@Metro498]

This episode is one the best of the expanse series. the part I like is when Alex does a hard burn for the ring. Then flips & burns the Roci backward into the Ring, and slowdown without killing the crew.

[@ericc.6255]

Amos is such a real one.

[@PsychoMuffinSDM]

If you want another fun fact, that isn't at all important. Its just a throw-away line in the books, but the ring DOES NOT orbit the sun. It is stationary with the back ground stars. Maybe it has to do with how it works? In any case, ships parked outside the ring need to eliminate tangential velocity, and then burn anti-sunward in order to stay put.... but being so far away from the sun, this is pretty easy to do. It -does- [edit] DOESN"T matter story wise at any point. Just a weird fact about the story.

[@MattNolanCustom]

That would be a difference between the books and the adaptation then. The caption in the episode Delta-V where we first see the ring says "in stable orbit" beyond Uranus.

[@PsychoMuffinSDM]

@@MattNolanCustom meh, I don’t see it as a difference. Just that detail was left out.

[@MattNolanCustom]

@@PsychoMuffinSDM interesting way of seeing the world. If there was no caption, that would be a detail that was left out. A caption which describes the exact opposite is what I call a difference.

[@PsychoMuffinSDM]

@@MattNolanCustom oh, did it say orbit? I just remembered it saying it it was beyond Uranus. My bad then.

[@Timmayytoo]

I have nothing to add to what the others are saying about this season... buckle up & get comfortable. However, there is one flaw in your line of thinking Mike... the distance between Saturn and Uranus is greater than the distance between Saturn and the sun, so the fact that the body containing the protomolecule happened to be captured by Saturn and the fact that it built the ring out past Uranus are probably not connected.

[@ZakhadWOW]

all best guesses, canon or not, are simply that Saturn was in the way - it was aimed at the protoplanet in a much younger Sol system. Thinking about hyper limits, warp linits, etc from so many different settings, it isnt a wild guesstimate that the ring has to be out beyond a certain point in the system to apparently function as some sort of portal -- too close to the primary and the physics get thrown off.

[@aartsst3227]

... and the crazy just got cranked up to a whole new level! 😁🚀

[@LeeCarlson]

The "PhD in theology" is called a ThD, and that is actually Anna Volovodov's credentials.

[@ZakhadWOW]

Except that she is an actual Medicus Doctor - Not entirely sure you are correct on the ThD. She is called Reverend because she is a graduate of a seminary program and an ordained Methodist minister, who runs a clinic for undocumenteds (see her negotiation with Esteban early on). Together it entitles her to be called Reverend Doctor.

[@LeeCarlson]

@@ZakhadWOW, Reverand Doctor is a ThD (like Martin Luther King Jr.) and one does not have to be a doctor to run a clinic (or a hospital) though you do need doctors on staff.

[@tonycamas9747]

@@ZakhadWOW Not sure where you're getting that from, but I'm pretty sure you're wrong. There's a conversation later in the season where she says as much, but it hasn't happened yet.

[@christophstrasen1567]

Great reaction as usual. Well cut I must say. I like the ominous character of this episode, such early tension for a sortoff "fresh" season. For your context: AFAIK the production team already knew that SiFy would not finance a season 4 so they decided to move the story to as good point as possible before season 3 ended. The Amazon sponsored continuation was not yet on the table.

[@ryank5424]

I also find it funny when belters make comments like how the inners will plant a flag on it. But at the end of the day they are not different. I'll bet if the OPA was already established as a country they would have beaten earth and mars there.

[@732ReviewCrew]

And planted their flag in it!

[@nullunit]

Again, this show is making you guys better viewers, and its rad. It really gets those neurons firing. I love Monica and her disregard for personal space. She is a single-minded character.

[@Dmitriy.0]

17:32 /Coffee through nose/ Ok, that got me.

[@swhaw]

I take off my hair tie and dejectedly let my ponytail down. Depressed about society's view of them, a single tear forms gently in my eye as I take my headset off and the hinges grab the stray hairs no longer kept contained in a nice package. They pull free as I stair at the loose strands tangled in the headset, I think to myself about having to remove them now and chuckle as the words repeat themselves in my mind. Something is off.

[@732ReviewCrew]

I am so sorry

[@swhaw]

@@732ReviewCrew Yall good lmao, though legit I wear a ponytail to keep my hair out of my eyes and I have a Logitech G935, the hinges and such on the ear cups catch my loose hair so often, love the headset but that is definitely a downside lol, but im just fuckin around

[@dallesamllhals9161]

5:00 Aaaw! BIG doe eyes...still works i guess 😕 23:16 +1 Yawn! Get on with it, dang it!?? (Re-uploadsMYASS)

[@richb313]

Things really get going now.

[@user-uo1qr6vn1q]

IMO, this was the best episode of the entire series. Not to say the rest are by any means bad or not worth watching. Far from it. But this was one of the craziest episodes of TV I have ever seen.

[@ZakhadWOW]

ah.. Thomas Jane with that sexy Noir Detective hat... .. /swoon

[@DaxRaider]

what can happen next!?

[@Dene181]

This is just fun. 👌😁

[@CrashCraftLabs]

the reporter chick always remonds mme of the ex wife in in and a half men? i think thats the name of it

[@TheCognient]

First!