The Expanse Season 2 Episode 8 'Pyre' REACTION!!

Naomi tracks down signs of protomolecule and Fred Johnson's control over OPA collapses. Here's our reaction to season 2, episode 8 of The Expanse.
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[@xxVladx]

Amos wasn't walking around in zero G. He was on the outside of a station that spins to create gravity, so he was essentially walking "upside down", which is why he was so wobbly.

[@westerssss]

Dancing on the ceiling.

[@bobriemersma]

Yep hanging by his magboots and gloves while Tycho threatened to spin him off to oblivion.

[@1ungawa]

I look at it more as trying to hold on the edge of a spinning wheel like you see kids do on playgrounds. The center is easy to be stable, but the outside is much more difficult, except this spins far faster.

[@BrunoBarata78]

Exactly. In the expanse universe they walk around in their ships with zero G all the time the ship are not under thrust. This is something they are very used to. Walking upside down... Not so much.

[@colonelclank2422]

Conceptually a negative fraction of G.

[@paratus04]

So about what they did to the atmosphere in the control room. They didn’t want to give the armed belters a heads up they were messing with the air or they may have shot someone. It turns out the feeling you get when you can’t breathe isn’t lack of oxygen but caused by a build up of CO2. The Roci crew turned up the CO2 removal and then turned up the nitrogen (which usually makes up 80% of our air) to replace the oxygen which they turned down. No one would feel like they were choking due to the lack of CO2 and most will just eventually pass out while breathing normally. Pretty sneaky and accurate.

[@brandongonzales2448]

In my opinion this show is one of the best written and best paced shows ever.

[@quiett6191]

And there isn't a single wasted moment either. Even the slower moments are utilised.

[@snowice8816]

Fringe is mine. This comes close second

[@VivekCNair-jy4ct]

Nah man!! Westworld season 1 was even better. And they did it without any novel source material. Since season 1, it's a downfall but that season 1 was a masterpiece. A real masterpiece. And GOT Seasons 1-4 was better than this since season 5, it's a depreciation, but season 1-4 is good.

[@havok6280]

I think you missed an important detail. The Rocci crew initially hid their sample, but they voted to shoot it into the sun and destroy it. Naomi pretended to shoot it into the sun, but really she hid it. So she's the only one who knows that sample is still out there. She was worried Corazar had located her sample. But the protomolecule that was talking to him was on Ganymede. Steven is right. Ganymede is a moon orbiting Jupiter. Eros was located in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. Eros crashed into Venus. Understanding the layout of the solar system helps this show make more sense.

[@NozomuYume]

Minor correction: Eros is not a typical main-belt asteroid, it's a near-Earth asteroid that has an orbit that takes it almost to Earth orbit, and then swings out to slightly past Mars to the orbits of the inner belt. It was probably a main-belt asteroid that interacted with another object to throw its orbit into the inner solar system. In real life it was the first asteroid to ever have a spacecraft land on it (NEAR Shoemaker probe in 2001). In The Expanse timeline it was one of the first asteroids to be colonized since it was easy to get to. It's the second-largest Near-Earth asteroid so it's a prime target for mining and colonization. After the creation of the Epstein drive, however, distance became less of an issue so Eros became less-relevant economically. (Sort of like how rust belt cities in the U.S. declined heavily after the massive expansion in global trade)

[@TheDetailsMatter]

Naomi kept nervously checking the status of the Protomolecule sample after simulating its destruction, over the course of several episodes. Possible guilty conscience, having lied to the man she loves, or possibly worry. Worry that Cortazar might have tracked it, or worry that the Protomolecule may have taken over the torpedo and caused it to abscond. Possibly a combination of the above.

[@thomasharfst3381]

I always thought when Amos and Alex were about to fight. Amons looks like he is about to cry, so he's not unfeeling. He is just feeling things he doesn't want to feel.

[@johncr1354]

Naomi was looking dodgy when the protomolecule shout was mentioned because she had lied about destroying the sample in the torpedo.

[@RaulSmith]

Right. As far as Holden, Amos, and Alex are concerned that sample's been destroyed. Naomi is the only one that knows it is hiding where it is hiding.

[@solargeknowles4354]

No spoilers: Amos’ was triggered by that little boy. Amos may have seen his self as a child in that moment and it frankly scared him. Naomi disagreed with the fellas about what to do with that protomolecule sample they had. That’s why she went against them and fake sent the sample into the sun, she was nervous that the protomolcule the mad scientist heard was their sample but it wasn’t. The protomolecule is on Ganymede Station which is where we saw that alien looking thing that attacked Gunnie(Bobbie).

[@rostikskobkariov5136]

On point

[@jrm371]

Basically this.

[@babyshan211]

Said Perfectly 👍🏽

[@mannyram9717]

All correct except one some thing, her name isn’t “Gunnie”. That is actually a shorten name for her rake. Gunnery sergeant. It’s not gunnie, also. It’s simply Gunny.

[@TheDetailsMatter]

So, a "gunny sack" is the sack a gunnery sergeant puts her things into? I've always wondered where that term came from.

[@jamesmayes4351]

When Amos is on the outside of Tyco he isnt struggling because its 0 g. The station spins to provide 1/3rd G on the inner surface, so he is under a shit load of force trying to throw him off tangential to the spin.

[@ksbsnowowl3569]

Yup, Amos is walking funny when he gets off the lift because "gravity" is pulling him "up," and his mag boots are the only reason he doesn't fly "up" away from the station.

[@tecjohnson]

Ok, so when he is welding, shouldn't the sparks be floating off to the side rather than straight up?

[@rodentnolastname6612]

Technically the sparks would predominantly fly off at a tangent due to centripetal forces but they're spitting out in all directions so I'll let that one slide.

[@ksbsnowowl3569]

@@tecjohnson No, because "up" relative to Amos standing on the outside of the ring, is the direction centrifugal forces are throwing things. If Amos' mag boots were turned off, he would also fly "up."

[@TheDetailsMatter]

So, Amos should have stood on his head in the elevator. Would have made things a bit less awkward once he was outside. (He was in a bit of a hurry, though, so it's understandable.)

[@sverebom7069]

Both. Naomi was worried that the protomolecule scream did come from the sample that she did not actually send into the Sun (and she was relieved that the scream was coming from Ganymede and no one discovered her little secret), but she is also worried for what is happening to Holden and how he is changing.

[@IanHillan]

Yes! Been waiting for this one. Where Drummer goes from "what's her deal?" to "omfg, what a badass!" I think you missed the whole bit about Naomi lying to the crew. The crew all agreed to send the sample into the sun, but she didn't. She ran a simulation to fool the rest of the crew. So when Holden said no more secrets there was a whole lotta weight on Naomi's conscience. She's keeping a massive secret from the rest of the crew. She was checking on her hand terminal to make sure no-one had found the sample she left hidden. Amos did not get the procedure. He just has huge issues from his childhood that got triggered by the kid. You have interesting Strickland theories. That spacing scene gets me every time - the shot of Doris still trying to breathe in the vacuum of space - and it's a credit to the writing that we care so much about a character that we've only spent like 3 scenes with.

[@CitroChannel]

Finally get to see more of Drummer! She's such a great character. You'll love her.

[@sergusy7005]

I definitely do!

[@Pink.andahalf]

Well, when you take the best traits and cool moments from 4 different characters and shove them all in one actor...

[@arpeggioblue]

Pink andahalf that’s how adaptations work. When they work well, you get a lovable character: Drummer

[@squaddie67]

Belter justice is usually very quick and summary. It's usually reserved for anyone who threatens the safety and the integrity of the ship or station. Belters are taught from an early age about the necessity of keeping air filters clean, airlock seals in good order, water filtration etc, which is the reason Miller tossed that dude he was taking bribes from in the airlock. Those OPA thugs threatened Tycho as a whole by threatening to take the missiles and use them against Earth, which would earn a massive reprisal, so Drummer shot them there and then.

[@rodentnolastname6612]

Almost throwing Alex down the lift is what makes Amos snap back. Realizing how lost he's been getting. Prax's daughter gives him direction back towards his empathy.

[@zammmerjammer]

Remember that the crew of the Roci agreed to destroy their sample of the protomolecule and shoot it into the sun. So Holden thinks their hidden sample has been destroyed. But Naomi just pretended to do it. So Naomi is keeping a pretty huge secret from Holden (and everyone else) right now.

[@danskkr]

I think one thing to bare in mind about the Roci crew, is they are all still reeling from the shock, of losing the Cant, the Donnager and obv Eros. Their trying to work through PTSD and you can see how it’s influencing all their actions.

[@John_259]

Add Shed to that list.

[@wordshock]

Jared Harris (Dawes) helped other casts members with their belter accents. Just FYI, seeing as you commented on how much you like the accent when Drummer was speaking. Harris is a great actor. So is the actress who plays as Drummer

[@danieledwards3376]

Having just seen his performance in Chernobyl (also a great show), it seems that it's partly based on how he talks.

[@LtColRayButts]

Drummer based her belter accent Dawes accent from S1

[@dennistomsen5822]

Andrew Rotilio playing Diogo is also pretty good like a lot of the supporting cast though not as articulated with big words and impressive speches as Dawes 😂

[@billross7245]

@@danieledwards3376 Have you seen any of his other roles? He's a Brit and the son of Richard Harris. In Chernobyl, wasn't he putting on a semi-Russian accent? Another great role of his was as King George VI in the Crown which is closer to his real accent.

[@wordshock]

Bill Ross He was amazing in Mad Men

[@VenoRPG]

When I first saw that scene where the woman got spaced, turned blue, and her last moments were her muscles attempting to move her mouth and breathe one more time.... ... really messed me up. At the time, it hit me like a million bricks about just how fragile we and life are. This show is absolutely incredible at hitting those emotions.

[@tecjohnson]

There is a part of Amos who wants to regain his humanity and another part who has given hope that will ever happen

[@Mason-gz3tl]

Your questions are pretty much on the right track Nikki, besides there is no such thing as stupid questions only stupid answers.

[@jamesholland5761]

The only stupid question is the one you don't ask....

[@SonyaEthelMUA]

I started watching this show after I watched a few reactions you'd done. Now I'm on season 3 🤣

[@wtw5002]

It's hard to stop once you've started the binge. I tried to limit myself to 2 episodes/day, max...finished all 4 seasons in a week.

[@jrm371]

Aka one of the best seasons of television lol. Welcome aboard!

[@jfrodriguez1987]

yea I was trying to watch one episode every thursday and sunday morning before their reactions. Last Sunday was the last one before I couldn't help but to binge. I'm on Season 4 episode 4. It's so good and I started off not really caring for the 1st few episodes lol.

[@jrm371]

Yeah, I feel that season 1 scared away potential viewers. It was pretty polarizing, but this is really one of those shows that only gets better.

[@anaiglesias9972]

Uuuh such amazing season

[@chris6770]

The OPA has several factions, with different approaches, highlighted by Fred and Dawes. Dawes is clearly more radical, and it's a conflict for Naomi right now, who's feeling drawn to her Belta roots unlike idealist Holden. Hence her deception about the protomolecule sample (remember the torpedo?) which could blow up on her at some point (hopefully not literally).

[@dumpsterdawg]

Nikki: "I'm sure you guys are screaming right now" Me: " "He's not a Stark he's a Baratheon....WHAT!".....oh wait, wrong video...let me check my notes. Awesome reaction as always....you guys are the best.

[@fedemona1]

Right? They're some of the few reactors with an actual personality. They don't pretend or act, i love them!

[@AirBahg]

can you tell me what episode she says baratheon. i see the jokes in the comments idk where its at

[@nokta7373]

> Nikki: "I'm sure you guys are screaming right now" Yes, I'm screaming... I'm Screaming Firehawk! Get it? *Nikki rolls her eyes

[@tc1ls]

@@AirBahg I belive its 6x10

[@tc1ls]

Game of Thrones ofc :))

[@bobriemersma]

Remember back when Holden suggested to Drummer that she might have lost control of her subordinates?

[@EdwardLewisIV]

Naomi feels guilty about hiding the missle from everyone. That's her thing. She's also concerned about how obsessed with the protomolocule Holden is.

[@ericvandet8517]

What I love about the expanse is that the characters are real - real people are not all about one thing - they are conflicted, and often do things that are not consistent. Naomi is conflicted, caught between two, or even three, different calls on her loyalty - no surprise she is acting in ways that seem inconsistent.

[@bejanked]

Y'all shouldn't feel afraid of looking silly for asking questions about this show! It seems like you've got some good mods around to filter out the "too close to spoilers" answers. And I know I still pick up on little things every time I rewatch the show after all this time. The first time I watched it I missed a ton of stuff. It's just one of those shows. Super good with a lot of details. And you'll pick up clear pictures of the overall plot over time, even if you missed some of those details, because the show is good about driving the point home after all is said and done.

[@rodentnolastname6612]

They do a great job of seeding and paying off. Sometimes to a super subtle level.

[@ettanasf]

Eros crashed into Venus. Not Jupiter. But yes. Gunny Draper had that encounter with that creature ON Ganymede. It’s a farming outpost.

[@lordblackwood6737]

Eros crashed into Venus, not Jupiter.

[@silafuyang8675]

You cannot crush into Jupiter anyway. It is not called a "gas giant" for nothing.

[@arpeggioblue]

si lafuyang well it probably has a core somewhere, but by that point it’s not crashing (I started saying something else, but I think I just ended up agreeing with you)

[@TheRaventwilight]

"Need to connect the dots. But we have too many dots. Need more lines." 🤣🤷‍♀️ I love these reactions 😍 You guys always pick my favorite shows. 😎

[@saybanana]

Great reaction guys. What I like about the characters is that they are constantly changing. For example Holden admitting he wanted to kill the scientist because he knew about the proto molecule. His arc was changing like when he blew up medical ship at Eros. Now this. He will do anything to stop the proto molecule. Even Naomi was shocked. Now we see Amos having an unclear transformation. Naomi is changing, too, especially her allegiance between Roci crew and the Belt.

[@faponemjas8069]

So you see, the belters ain't saints either They just as chaotic as earthians and Martians.

[@shayla106]

@John B I don’t, it limits your vision and leaves you more vulnerable to fooled. Which is why Dawes is so good with manipulating people for his ends.

[@chris6770]

Gannymede is one of the moons of Jupiter and has more water than Earth and a magnetic field, which is why the authors use it as a farm world for the belt, shared by Earth and Mars. Eros crashed into Venus, (not out at Jupiter), which orbits the Sun inside Earth's orbit. Knowing the basic map of the solar system you live in would help you navigate the story.

[@John_259]

Agreed, plus Wikipedia is a great way of finding out the basic facts of real universe celestial objects.

[@johanwittens7712]

Plus it's the birthing clinic of the belt for the same reason. Pregnant Women can go there and give birth without dangerous radiation messing with the development of the foetus. That's also why there's so many pediatricians are/were there.

[@Braincleaner]

Drummer has entered the game :)

[@feraldog5590]

What you should know and missed is Naomi hid the torpedo with the protomolecule on her own she simulated the launch into the sun to trick the rest of the crew into thinking it was destroyed. She is the ONLY one aware it was not destroyed Holden, Amos and Alex all voted for it to be destroyed and believe Naomi flew it onto the sun.

[@tonygmichael6434]

Camina Drummer is such a badass..love her character~!

[@michaelshafer5192]

Naomi upset that Holden didn't tell her about the possibility of more protomolecule. Naomi lied to Holden about not destroying her sample of protomolecule. Hmmmm.

[@xerozeven]

And there lies the hypocrite in all of us.

[@kirkdarling4120]

Yeah, but Holding is her Knight Errant...and she's his Dulcinea...but she knows she's not really.

[@TheDetailsMatter]

So, just at the moment, She's still his Aldonza?

[@nokta7373]

This is the episode when I fell in love with Drummer. She just got shot, humiliated, Alex is there holding her up: "You are badly injured, can you walk? I'll help you to the infirmary, sweetheart" she scoffs, pushes him off, grabs his pistol and just shoots those assholes in the head: "I'll walk to the damn infirmary myself". Punisher level stuff. Insta love.

[@johanwittens7712]

Something to keep in mind that is very well told in the books, but is somewhat skipped over in the show, is that Holden and miller saw a horror show on Eros, and Holden was traumatised/scared to death by it. There were infected people acting like zombies spewing stuff to infect others. They saw people slowly being absorbed/eeaten by the proto molecule, and they saw the horror show biomass it was creating. Holden is scared to death something like Eros will happen again and is dead set on preventing it from ever happening again, which is why he's turning a bit single minded and obsessed about the protomolecule... Also the Amos thing: something clearly happened to him as a kid. He's been hinting about this every now and then. And what happened with Amos, that kid and his mom brought some deep trauma back. But the only way Amos knows how to deal with this is to push it away and go unemotional. As cortazar said he learnt to ''caurterise the wounds''...

[@chris6770]

Amos was shook up by the boy and conversation with Cotazar in the last episode, so probably depressed and trying to work through his trauma, no doubt aided by drugs and alcohol and prostitutes on a three day bender, rather than having had the procedure on his brain.

[@markdean2524]

I think Naomi's convo with Jim over Miller & Cortazar highlights some of what is going on with her. She loves Jim's idealism and wants him to stay true to that. But at the same time she recognizes that he is usually a bit naive. Being able to just hope that everyone is just going to do the right thing is a privilege that Belters do not have, particularly evident after Eros. Naomi's internal conflict occurs because she wants to embrace both her identity as a Belter and a Roci crewmember but those seem to be coming into conflict. So while she absolutely believes in the character of her crew, she acknowledges that she may have to do things more like Miller for the sake of Belters. Hence her being shady and angsty while also being upset at Jim for being shady and angsty. They are really just both hot messes rn.

[@thontor]

Do you remember a few episodes back when the Roci crew decided to destroy the protomolecule sample that they hid? They decided to shoot it into the sun. Naomi showed holden a simulation of shooting it into the sun, she didn't actually do what everyone else wanted to do. That's why she's being all sneaky and secretive. She didn't destroy the protomolecule like she was supposed to and she hid that fact from the crew. She is lying to them about it.

[@rodentnolastname6612]

Remember, Naomi said she sent the sample into the sun. SHE'S hiding things from Holden 😲

[@itrainsallday]

Coincidentally in the first book, Leviathan Wakes, Miller happens to say "Too many dots, not enough lines," while he's doing his Julie investigation. Just gotta keep connecting the dots as best as possible. They'll eventually make sense.

[@ladyvaderkmc1]

Don't feel bad, this is one of those shows you need to watch a couple of times to catch everything being said or see everything going on in the background. This series also likes to "show" rather than "tell" a lot of the time, so you really need to pay attention even to the smallest detail. I love this show! Some have posted that you should definitely consider watching "Dark" I totally agree, another excellent show!

[@wreckless_mozzie]

Agreed, i enjoyed watching Dark. Its a cross between Stranger Things and Back to the Future, set in a Chernobyl back drop. Nikki and Steve will love the show.

[@LittleV179]

@@wreckless_mozzie Dark is incredible but don't ever compare it to stranger things, a missing kid is the only similarity between the two shows. It will give them the wrong impression if they decide to watch it

[@lutzheckmann5093]

Wow, it never occured to me that the person Bobby sees waving could be Prax's daughter. Good catch. Btw. don't worry. I would say that the show is quite good in revealing the answers in time. And the show is also really good at putting in some "throwaway" lines and scenes that make sense much much later. And also, seeing you speculate and trying to figure everything out is nice.

[@ittyandpocky]

Timeline doesn't add up. They said the doctor took her away an hour before the attack. Prax wasn't there, so he wouldn't have memories of that.

[@AmarthwenNarmacil]

@@ittyandpocky Mae waving and the battle/mirror coming down was obviously not happening this close in time as the flashbacks sugest. She waved before she went to the clinic, then Strickland got her out and an hour later shit went down.

[@billross7245]

@ittyandpocky it wasn't a flashback, it was a dream while Prax lay unconscious in the freighter, so the timeline doesn't really matter. Jumbled memories.

[@jrm371]

The show will only continue to grow. Or "expand", if you will. ;) You're asking the right questions, and your theories have been... interesting.

[@tecjohnson]

Hopefully there is no doubt where Drummer's loyalties lie. SHe is one of my favorite characters. She was originally intended to be a background character but the audience and crew responded so well to her they kept expanding it.

[@dennistomsen5822]

That spacing scene is so emotionally devastating to watch and rewatching it doesn’t make it any easier 🙁

[@frog212whyd4]

The way I look at Amos is that he cares about kids. If you hurt kids, he will be your worst nightmare. If you care for kids, Amos will like you.

[@XeonAlpha]

When they spaced all those people after telling them they were going home was one of the single most shocking and heartbreaking moments in TV history.

[@rabid_si]

2x08, AKA The day we discovered Camina Drummer was a AAA+ certified bad ass with balls bigger than Jupiter.

[@shineinouzen7412]

Did you guys forget what Naomi did?

[@aleshb4194]

Ganemyd is next to Jupiter, but Eros hit into Venus.

[@marcc1830]

When Eros clashed into Venus, Holden, Naomi and Fred all thought that it could be the end of the protomolecule. Now the Roci crew decide to destroy their sample so Holden thought the protomolecule is done. But Naomi deceived everyone and kept it. Then Cotezar heard a shout and that worries everyone since they thought the protomolecule might have ended with Eros. So they try to find out where the shout was from. Naomia and Drummer figure from sensor log that the shout was from Ganymede. So at this point, Fred position is well, Ganymede is not connected to Eros so the bloody thing is in more place than they originally thought so everyone just have to learn to live with it. Holden on the other hand is like, he will go after and kill the protomolecule wherever it is. Naomi was more worried about that she lied to her lover and friends when Cotezar heard a shout because if Cortezar found her sample, it would show that she did not destroy it. Now that she knows there are more protomolecule in the system, she is debating with herself whether she should destory her sample -- therefore constantly check it. BTW, that Amos scene where he is cutting off the oxygen. He is not having trouble with 0G. The Tyco station generate gravity by spinning the sation. Everyone is standing on the inside of the "side wall" of the station. When he went outside, he would have to fight the centrifugal force when he tried to step on a spinning station, notice the sparks are flying away from the station.

[@bettygeorgieva7751]

The episode Drummer became one(if not my) favorite character in the show :D

[@chrisdaniels7509]

Think of Holden as a Paladin from D&D, right now he is on a holy crusade to destroy the pronto-molecule.

[@FalloutConspiracy]

"Is Strickland a guy who's working with Mao?" In this episode we saw James Holden and Naomi run a directory search of Protogen employees who've ever worked on Ganymede and who also happened to be there at the time of attack. Through that search they were able to identify Strickland as a pediatrician who happened to be last seen with that little girl, Mei, just hours prior to the skirmish that destroyed most of the facilities there. So the suspicion at this point is that he, along with Mao - by proxy of him working for Protogen, which is Mao's company - might have had prior knowledge about the attack on Ganymede station.

[@knowyourhistory]

Nikki and Steven finally join the Drum circle

[@blackgirlcouchreviews]

Miller's last words to Naomi is that their sample was on HER so she feels a tremendous amount of pressure on what's the right thing.

[@dennycranepl]

Dawes actually rectruited Fred for OPA. Dawes sat back on his haunches and closed the blade with one hand. “I don’t waste resources, Colonel. If you want to die, it will do that girl and her father absolutely no good. If you want to make it up to her and all the people like her, I could use your expertise. You’re a rare resource. You’ve got knowledge and training, and as the man who is famous throughout the whole system for killing Belters, you’re in a position to be our strongest advocate. All it means is walking away from everything you know and love. The life you built for yourself. The admiration of everyone who looks up to you. All the things you’d have lost anyway.” “This was a recruitment, then.” Dawes stood up, sliding the knife into his pocket. His smile reached his eyes this time. “You tell me,” Dawes said. Then, to the woman, “Recanos ai postar. Asi geendig.” “Aiis,” she said, shouldering the rifle like a professional. The pair walked out together, leaving Fred on the deck, massaging the agony out of his legs as the feeling started to return.

[@jamesholland5761]

A few episodes back the entire Rocinante voted to send their sample of Protocol in the missile into the sun. Naomi ran a simulation tricking Holden that it launched into the sun. Instead she has it hid and is hiding it from everyone!

[@blackletter2591]

When they started looking for the protomolecule that Cortázar was talking to, Naomi must have been panicking, because she thought they would find the one she was supposed to send to the Sun, but didn't. Makes you wonder what she would have done if they had found it. Killed Drummer? Fat chance. Did you notice that Belter on the control centre at Tycho, one of the two that Drummer shot? You didn't show it here, but he was talking to an incoming ship called the "Jefferson Mays". This is a shout-out to the great narrator of all the audio books.

[@pravusprime]

Stations need to spin to create artificial gravity on the station, so Amos, on the outer shell of the station was dealing with a ton of rotational energy trying to catapult him off the station when he was taking his space walk.

[@LeeCarlson]

When Amos was outside of Tycho, he was "effectively" hanging by his magnetic boots while the station's spin was attempting to throw him away from the station. "Down" means different things in space.

[@direnova6284]

Amos has built a wall around his emotions and what's happening now is that wall is being challenged and he's trying to fight off emotions that are creeping in. His default in the show so far has been no empathy, now it's cracking which is why he's erratic.

[@AnthonyUbelhor]

Eros crashed into Venus, not Jupiter. (Yes, Ganymede is a moon of Jupiter.) Also, if you go back a rewatch episode 6, you'll see that Naomi hid the protomolecule sample on her own behind the crew's back. They thought she was shooting it into the Sun.

[@chrishig123]

I’m looking forward to you discussing Camina Drummer more, she’s definitely one of the more interesting characters. Amos is probably my favourite though.

[@rodentnolastname6612]

Drummer is a conglomeration of 2 characters in the books. A change for the better IMHO.

[@chrishig123]

rodent nolastname i know she takes on the role of Sam, who’s the other one?

[@deanadewall8400]

@@chrishig123 Naomi takes on Sam's role. Drummer is Bull and Pa.

[@W0NK042]

This show doesn't give you answers, it gives you a wider range of questions.

[@Yora21]

When Amos attacked Alex he looked really scared. When he said they still need Alex to pilot the ship, I felt like it was the only explanation he could think off. He doesn't understand why he really doesn't want to hurt him.

[@billross7245]

One cool little detail, if you remember Bobbie on Ganymede with her team, there was a shot of a kid waving to them from inside a Dome. Here we see the reverse angle of Mei waving at Bobbie's team from within the dome. This is the episode where Drummer shot up to a number one badass and became one of my favorite characters. Some corrections: Eros crashed into Venus, not Jupiter. The blue "alien" that Bobbie encountered plus the battle in orbit happened at Ganymede. The freighter that Prax was on was a refugee ship of survivors from Ganymede.

[@17thknight]

I think the best way to understand Amos is that he is flat out a bad guy, and he knows it. But he doesn't want to be. He deeply admires people who aren't, people who actually do have empathy and humanity, so he's attracted to them and follows them gladly. Maybe in the hope that some of them will rub off onto him, but mostly because he just doesn't know how to be good, so he relies on them to show him the way. At first that was Naomi, Holden is starting to take that spot for him, and in this episode we see him kind of lean towards Prax at the end. The one place he *does* have empathy is with kids. He will rip someone's skull open to protect a kid.

[@jaymedundas4081]

Right! Amos doesn't have a conscience, he relies on a person to be his moral compass! So far his people have let him down. He's a little lost right now!

[@jamesholland5761]

I'm sorry but I disagree, he is not a flat out bad guy. His character is alot deeper than you think. Have you read The Churn. Goes a long way about digging into just who Amos is.

[@17thknight]

@@jamesholland5761 I have and I feel like that's what really established him as a pretty bad person. At best he's relentlessly amoral

[@MS_25826]

Steven you are correct about Holden. He wants the protomolecule gone. Eros traumatized him. Also Nikki was correct on how he knew about Ganymede. Drummer & Naomi figured it out and let him know about it. You know everything that you need to know about Strickland for now. Asking questions is always good! Nothing wrong with that. 🙂

[@gegalloneword1481]

it's funny that you guys chat about Amos's empathy/morality because they do address it in the books

[@Nandrall18-25]

Drummer is a sexy badass with an exotic voice, I love her.

[@sepulchreknight]

Amos is a really interesting character. The show initially portrays him as "The muscle". But as the seasons progress you get to see more and more of who he really is. In this season you start to see the inner struggles he's having as he compares himself to the rest of the crew. The books are obviously a little different and you really learn who he is and where he came from....eventually. I think we'll ALL see a little of this in season 5.

[@barreloffun10]

@@ericmaddox8516 Nah, Jayne was perfectly happy with who he was. He saw himself as the hero.

[@ranialian8537]

Good points but that last sentence is a spoiler.

[@spbspb2413]

Book Amos is slightly different character though.

[@tonygmichael6434]

I'd delete those last few lines bro.

[@kvoltti]

this is the episode where you realize that none of the factions are pure. So you have to judge by actions.

[@aworkinprogress4387]

Drummer does not play around. I love her character. The various relationships in this show can take very dramatic turns at a moments notice. It's so damn good. Protogen is behind everything that's going on with the proto-molecule and the conspiracy to get Earth and Mars into a war. But you don't know what exactly it is they want to do with the proto-molecule...yet.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

Quick status check for y'all. HOLDEN: Losing sight of his principles. NAOMI: Caught between loyalties. AMOS: Soul searching. ALEX: Looking for his place. Everyone aboard the Rocinante is in flux. Except PRAX. Prax needs to save his daughter. That's his mission. He may have some doubts but MEI is his priority. What will his presence bring? This is our Empire Strikes Back of seasons 1 to 3. The middle act when everyone is tested on their own inner battlefield. Where the group faces internal strife while dealing with all the external problems. The pressure is mounting on personal levels. What choices will they face? What decisions will they make? Will the pieces still fit when it's all done? The resolution may surprise you. And may elicit some strong reactions.

[@blackletter2591]

HOLDEN: maturing beyond his original simplicity

[@jerodast]

So fun to see the big reaction to Drummer's defining character moments haha.

[@LeeCarlson]

Remember that Naomi was SUPPOSED to have destroyed the sample that they had hidden after they left Eros. So Naomi has LIED to Holden (and everybody else) about doing that.

[@mojoriot2293]

The 'procedure that Amos was talking about takes your emotions away. I think it's pretty obvious that he is having trouble controlling his emotions. That's why he was interseted in getting rid of his emotions so he won't feel like that little boy again.

[@TheDetailsMatter]

For Amos, the conflict is due to the fact that, as Cortazar said, he locked away everything that made him a normal little boy in order to survive, and he's still essentially that damaged little boy even today. He hasn't grown up; he's just grown older. Cortazar offered to complete the damage to take the pain away, but pain is part of the normal process of growth. Amos doesn't want to be less human. He wants to be more. But he doesn't know how to get there from where he is.

[@thomashiggins9320]

When Amos went outside to turn off the oxygen, he was on the outside of the spinning section of the habitat. If he hadn't been able to get both feet magnetically attached to the hull, it would have thrown him off into space. You saw that with how the sparks from the cutting torch went straight up, instead of just floating around. The centripetal force caused it to spray straight out from the hull, which from Amos' perspective looked straight up.

[@ksbsnowowl3569]

*centrifugal force. Centripetal force moves toward the center.

[@Vaultboy-ke2jj]

Eros crashed into Venus, not Jupiter. Remember?

[@guthixisdead]

Love that you guys are pumping these out! ✌️😁

[@colonelclank2422]

Watching you go through all this for the first time when I have seen and read it all is tremendously fun thank you for this soooooo much. I love your theories and observations so much, it's super funny when you are wrong, and Hilarious when you are right. Keep up the Good work!!

[@Blayz001]

A funny little bit to note for the attention to detail in realism: Amos walking on the outside of Tycho wasn't walking funny because he was in zero-g. He was on the outside of the spinning hull of the station. He would be walking with is "feet sticking to the ceiling" because the force of the spin would be trying to send him away from the surface. That's why he was going "down" in the elevator, but came out feet first.

[@Neocoolzero]

You guys forgot to share your toughts on Drummer at the end! You tought Dawes might have got her, what's your opinion now? Drummer's a freaking badass, as soon as you turn on her ideal of what a belter is, you're dead, even if she has a bullet in her groin, she's taking you out, total badass!!

[@elocbmc7462]

Loved Nikki's "Genius!" when they pulled out the oxygen from the Tycho command center.

[@ozcanison]

Nikki, there is a short story called "The Churn" that explains why Amos is how he is, you should definitely check it out. It wont give you spoilers because its set before the events of The Expanse.

[@ranialian8537]

Yey! I can't get enough of these reactions!! 😍

[@RaulSmith]

No screaming from me, guys. I'm just absolutely enjoying how you're breaking this entire show down. Side note: I've watched that scene where they spaced all those people about a half dozen times and I'm still gutted watching it every time.

[@phj223]

Interesting that several comments say it was just the little boy's reaction that made Amos go numb. I always figured Amos had that magnetic brain treatment done, but - as discussed in an earlier episode - it takes many treatments to make it permanent like it was for Cortazar.

[@garethneller8239]

You're totally on the right track! As fast as you're figuring things out they're introducing new stuff, and we were all the same when we 1st watched it.

[@jazoon7249]

My thoughts on Amos are that he needs a guide, someone with morality to make the best decisions for him. Naomi messed up when she didn't tell him about Holden logging the call on the Cant. Amos is desperately needing a guiding star to follow.

[@moomoopuppy508]

Their accents sound like if Elmer Fudd was Cajun...I also imagine Rob Schneider from The Waterboy saying, "YOU CAN DO IT!"

[@ettanasf]

😮🙀😮 you don’t fuck with Camina Drummer! TOOK CARE OF IT!

[@cluster_f1575]

Drummer is a bad ass 23:28

[@robertwinslade3104]

When Amos was on the outside of Tycho he wasn't actually in zero-G; the station has artificial spin gravity so it was more like he was walking upside down on the ceiling with gravity pulling him away from the station, so if he fell off he would fall forever through space

[@Fin-ou4ik]

I love your reactions to The Expanse ^^ and I really wouldn't mind if you did more than two episodes per week. When I watched this show for the first time, after finishing an episode I just played the next one right away. I was also super confused about things but it didn't matter cause I didn't had to wait long for answers. You're doing fantastic job with your reactions, questions and guessing. Keep that up.

[@EBlank3807]

I'm just waiting for the "this is better than game of thrones" moment. It's coming.

[@Subjectivity13]

Psychopaths have no empathy, but they can still have emotions, and loyalty. They can even love people, but they handle it differently.