The Expanse Season 5 End Credits & Laconia Explained | Book Spoilers

[@PetePeppers1]

As requested a book spoilers explanation of the end of season 5. Tried to do it in a way to get you excited to read them for yourselves. Let me know what else your thinking about after the season 5 finale.

[@eme.261]

Thank you for your work. These stories, in book and TV series forms, are brilliant. I wish I could engage more of my friends in the world of The Expanse, but alas, that's not currently the case. They'll likely catch up 10 years from now. For the present, you're the one I return to, time and time again, for more in-depth engagement.

[@TheWolfsnack]

YES!!!!!

[@zulu1520]

if i want to pickup where the show left off, just read book 6 right

[@qualitaet01]

I'm trying to figure out if they will be able or are trying to find a way to tell the story of 7-9 without the massive time gap. I've read / listened to all of the 8 books twice by now. And really want to see it play out on screen before I turn 70. Personally I can't see a way of an ending to S06 which will be a fraction as satisfying as the coming boooks are...

[@qualitaet01]

@@zulu1520 You'll still be confused with some character arches. Pa/Drummer/Bull or obv Alex f.e. You will surely go back and start from scratch, once you're into them. I highly recommend the audiobooks read by Jefferson Mays. I'm super addicted.

[@grandsome1]

It's quite ironic that a guy named "Save Earth" (Sauveterre) participated in an operation that could've been an extinction level event on Earth.

[@paullydeux2266]

no fricken way thats crazy

[@qualitaet01]

It's pretty Third Reich like. Most Genocides were based on the vision of a better, purer world.

[@kawh8719]

Wow, what a catch! I never noticed that, thanks for sharing your insight!

[@Dan-uf2vh]

@@paullydeux2266 some cults go along the lines of "killing means saving" ^^

[@willy-johndejager6810]

holy shit dude.

[@dubiago8440]

I really do hope that they continue beyond Season 6--the Laconia stuff is pretty freaking interesting, and brings all of the protomolecule plot to fruition.

[@richlisola1]

They should do a series of Expanse movies, if they don’t want to continue the show. Enough to show the rise of Laconia and the fate of the Earth and Mars.

[@naugladur8534]

@@richlisola1 better to do series. Movies aren’t interesting anymore for long storytelling.

[@flagg1129b]

Your break downs are first rate. This is my new go to channel for Expanse stuff... keep up the great work.

[@robotic1006]

There is so much going on in this show, im missing so much, but still absolutely loving it. So thank you for doing these videos. 👍

[@PetePeppers1]

No problem

[@bucky13]

Just finished Tiamat's Wrath.. The books are so damn good that I'm not even too bothered by the show ending. Just give me Leviathan Falls.

[@PetePeppers1]

I can't wait for the final book either.

[@shonaschneider1800]

Just finished too. It was fantastic, all the books were.

[@bucky13]

@@kevinhagen7808 I think we might see a Laconian ship in season 6 in some capacity. The last scene of season 5 seemed to show a strange ship in the orbital construction platform.

[@Diomedes01]

Tiamat's Wrath was my favorite of all The Expanse books. It was so good, I went back and re-read it a few months later. Also looking forward to Leviathan Falls!

[@davidbecquer3624]

I've waited long years for someone to discuss the rise of Laconia! You rock Pete! I really hope we get to see some of their ships in one way or another...

[@PetePeppers1]

Spoilers Probably see the Proteus?

[@davidbecquer3624]

@@PetePeppers1 God I hope so... That would be awesome. And if I ever get to see the Heart of the Tempest on the big screen with a movie budget, I can die happy xD

[@ctxduke28]

@@davidbecquer3624 I hadn’t even thought about that yet. That would be so cool to see.

[@BenFrankarts]

@@PetePeppers1 wow the design looks ludicrously awesome. I’m sure if the producers put a gun in the room, one of the characters is gonna shoot somebody. Same difference, ships will come to fruition soon.

[@dasswizzle1998]

Given the time jump and the first iterations of Laconian protomolecule ship tech before getting to the Tempest...I don't see how they can wrap this up in only one more season without making huge changes and rushing it...we see with Game of Thrones how that is a disaster waiting to happen.

[@kjellvb1979]

Well done... Your Expanse content rocks! Thanks for providing the entertainment.

[@PetePeppers1]

No problem.

[@polreamonn]

Despite the lockdowns, it is staggering to consider the shear number of people who have never even heard of the Expanse. How do they spend their time?

[@dontjudgemebymyname.4282]

Those people usually spend their time watching typical American Night time shows.

[@DrEsky914]

LOL, I often wonder that myself as I spend so much of my free time on The Expanse!

[@tclass99]

A bit sad that GoT had so much publicity while The Expanse (which is equally as good imo) has flown under the radar.

[@1chrisford]

@@tclass99 That's what being on HBO at it's peak will get you. Wide viewership looking to get their money's worth from their pricey subscription and always checking out new shows to see if they have other good stuff to see for their money spent (many had it just to watch GoT). Had The Expanse been there, I think people would have watched it in numbers past what Scfy and Amazon Prime got.

[@Akcd11r2002]

There's a reason that they don't want people thinking about the future and what could be...

[@ericpowell4350]

Can't wait for Season 6! Amazon is insane for cutting the show 6 seasons. This can easily run for six more.

[@ZakhadWOW]

THere are only 9 books in the universe of this.. (9th one due out this year)

[@michaelathearn5498]

In the books there is a significant timejump.. I wonder if they plan to stop before it.

[@neondemon5137]

Actually Alcon (the producer and owner of the Expanse property) decided to stop at season 6.

[@Shadow__133]

I have no complaints about the book or tv series... it's rare! I do hope for spinoffs like butcher and Alberon etc.

[@warwolf1539]

Didnt watch the video because I am reading the books but thank you for annotating book spoilers in the description, it's rare anymore to find non click bait people

[@iruiz29]

I get chills just looking at the space docks for the builder ships. I know it might the next season is supposed to be the last, but I hope just the fact that they introduced Laconia and Duarte means there might be something more afterwards

[@adriancooper78]

Pete you're the best in laying out your reviews!!! I've read the books and man oh man it's so hard not to tell people what going to happen next!!! I love your videos and the style you delivery them!! I'm be looking forward to your videos for season 6 of the Expanse!!! After seeing this video, I'm going to re-listen to the Expanse audio book again. Thank you for your refreshing and candid reviews and all the hard work you put in them!!!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😎😎😎🔥🔥🔥

[@PetePeppers1]

Thanks for watching

[@adriancooper78]

@@PetePeppers1 Yes, of course!!! All the time friend all the time!!!

[@Brian_Fantastic]

We're 2 months away from season 6, and 1.5 months until Leviathan Falls. This is a great time to be an Expanse fan!

[@tahirrazzaq9494]

The Laconia story is very intriguing and amazing! This show/series continues to surprise with its incredible world building

[@1chrisford]

The end credits contain another interesting thing not mentioned in these reviews after the Season 5 finale. That is the usual scene of static stars and some moving spaceships looking out from the Ring changes with the disappearing or the Barkeith, Adm. Sauvateere and the comely but crazy eyed LT Babbage. The in the finale end credits, the stars "shimmer" back and forth like the stars are not fixed in space. Or, given the stars are fixed in our own space-time for all effective purposes - what is now looking out from the Gate upon them is not from a steady point in space. Which might go along with these creatures being interdimensional between space.

[@adamrak7560]

The interdimensional stuff is very heavily implied many times.

[@wadeh1031]

Laconia was what the Greeks and Spartans themselves called Sparta. Who else sees some parallels in the dialogue and Spartan practices/beliefs?

[@starman1144]

Not exactly. Laconia was the country and Sparta was its capital.

[@BigMikeMcBastard]

I mean they named the system themselves. The parallels are very intentional.

[@shaskaone]

one of the best expanse narration and break down on the net. Thanks for the great content.

[@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459]

To think they were conscious during the whole thing, unable to move but felt being ripped apart at the atomic level! But it seems Season 6 continues the theme of humanity fighting for dominance while ignoring the true threats in this case, the aliens who killed the Ring builders. The Laconians are cavemen trying to understand steamships, that hubris will be their downfall.

[@ReptilianRichardRamirez]

Spoiler * they are conscious through it.

[@PetePeppers1]

Doesn't sound like it's painful though. Just really difficult to make sense of what's happening.

[@BenFrankarts]

@@PetePeppers1 well damn that sucks. Terrifying.

[@thomascrabtree]

They aren't just conscious but they can never die and exist stuck there "spiritually" so to say until someone turns off the gate, this was explained at the end of season 4. That's what the constant screams of millions of people was all about.

[@PetePeppers1]

@@thomascrabtree you're thinking of people who were absorbed into the protomolecule process of building the ring. That's not what's happening to the people on the Barkeith.

[@simonlatendresse2229]

It's really ironic that they named one of Mars' most prominent military commander is named Sauveterre, which litteraly means "Earth-saver"...

[@______6879]

I love your content after binging all of season 5. I’ve been in love with this show for years. Everybody in aerospace loves this show as well

[@georgelionon9050]

I love your videos! Best expanse channel I came across.

[@1chrisford]

I'm not keen on the FX for Sauvateere and Emily's last moments - as they look like they were made into transparant cut out figures with the furniture of the Barkeith solid and not transparent, behind them as the protomolecule Builder Destroyers went about their destroying business. I get how this could happen with time stopped, but not how the two characters magically became glass cutouts while other things in the shot didn't.

[@enorris768]

Soo the barkeith was destroyed? Just to get it straight in my head? I haven't seen it in a while.

[@nicholasvanbergen8560]

Another great vid ! I would be interested in a series of videos that goes “ deep dive” into the expanse universe. How about a read along with analysis/ commentary? Much like you show videos, which are great! Keep up this wonderful content!

[@axgrf]

Congrats on 100.000 Subscribers 🎉🎉🥳

[@PetePeppers1]

Thanks!

[@PetePeppers1]

Thanks!

[@lmamakos]

Thanks for the video! I really enjoy your analysis and take on the show. And I'll certainly chime in and urge people to READ THE BOOKS. Even if you've seen the shows, the books really do flesh out the characters and epic-scale plot. As suggested, the novellas are also well worth the time to read; they're not that long, but provide great backstory for the action that plays out. "The Churn" is my favorite of the novellas to get real insight into Timmy/Amos and why he is who he is. There's more to his story than we saw in season 5..

[@vladimirvojtaml]

I'm lowkey rooting for Laconians now but I thought all of them died while attempting transit through the gate. Good thing that isn't the case this'll be interesting. Reading the books is very tempting right now.

[@alexandrasandu3947]

MILD SPOILER = the main focus of last 3 books in the series If Laconia picked your interest then you better read the books b/c s6 won't be able to truly cover that. Laconia is the focal point of the last trilogy in the series, books 7 to 9 (where 9 is not out yet).

[@brucetucker4847]

Only that one ship out of dozens they took through.

[@MrComtrend]

I really hope they adapt a version of Strange Dogs in season 6.

[@PetePeppers1]

Me too. Cara and Xan are two of the most interesting characters. Especially considering what happens with the dogs later.

[@allenbertaniciete1350]

@@PetePeppers1 ...and Timmy....

[@Iain0101]

I read the novellas after the main books. Strange Dogs answered all the questions I had about these two kids kept in the lab.

[@thedachmo]

@@Iain0101 I'd been advised to read Strange Dogs before Tiamat's Wrath, it worked quite well, even if it did make a certain thing predictable after the cave incident.

[@Iain0101]

@@thedachmo - I’m glad I read them in the order I did (main novels first, then novellas) as recommended by some. I didn’t mind going back later to fill in gaps.

[@joezuu]

Just started reading the books and love them already! With season 5 ending it seemed like a good time to start :)

[@PetePeppers1]

Sounds like a solid plan.

[@tmmartinesq.6216]

This scene with the Barkeith compelled me to buy Nemesis Games. Pronto.

[@eternalspiralbooks8389]

Thanks for the recap. A good summary of the books. RIP Alex, but I understand why they had to do it. Will be interesting to see what Bull brings to the table. Er, Roci.

[@karandev9316]

Alex's actor, Cas Anwar(?), seemed like such a wholesome guy when I heard how he was championing for The Expanses revival. What happened came as a shock to me.

[@aljato]

Thanks a lot, Pete! Entertaining as usual 🤗

[@chuckychuckles]

Great job, as usual. Keep up the good work!

[@marknovak6498]

It seems to have a story here like GOT where people fight over power and territory when there is a bigger thread they are ignoring the existential threat they need to deal with. Unlike GOT, I think they will tell this story well and pass on any too easy a 'solution',

[@JesusLopez-xz3qw]

There should be no solution, a fairy like multi star system would be corny as hell. A good end to the books would be the rings being closed for good while several worlds and human settlements get permanently separated light years away, to mature another couple thousands of years.

[@eyesofstatic9641]

Best Expanse coverage on KZbin!

[@tjk3430]

I want to watch this video so damn bad! I've watched the show since S1 on sci-fi and i'll only allow myself to be spoiled by the books which I haven't read yet. Thanks for the great content Pete.

[@sebastiencote1565]

I would love to watch a extensive review of books 7 to 9 from you! Think about it!

[@PluckySmurf]

I've read all the full length books. I guess I'm reading the novellas now. Fantastic video PP! I consider myself a huge fan and watching your videos I always learn so much about how things are pieced together so cohesively. Turns out I am welwala Jon Snow. I know eff all. 😁

[@PetePeppers1]

The novellas are all pretty great. Since you're through the main series you can read them in any order for the most part.

[@jayburn00]

SPOILER: Basically, Laconia has orbital shipyards that can make ships based on the technology of the protomolecule creators. Obviously, ships like that will be hyper advanced compared to human ships.

[@carlosponchio1869]

What you hear on season1 episode 1 might pop out 2 or 3 seasons down the line. What a brilliant show. I have watched Season 1-5 3 times and every time I learn a phrase, a reference that comes out later.

[@1chrisford]

Pete - Any comment on the shot of the stars oscillating, moving back and forth after the Barkeith is consumed? It seems one possibility is that the show changed that usual end credit shot because it wants to show stars as creatures "between spaces" would see them.

[@Maj_Kasul]

Great video. Thanks for the links for the books. 👍🚀❤️

[@GerdionXT]

I ordered books - can't wait to get them :D

[@AaaAaa-ly3on]

Actually, I think all Mankind (at least currently) decided many years ago to refuse developing Human cloning and Human genome improvements... So it was at least one precedent in limiting clearly advantageous scientific researches. -Many countries limiting use of GMO in farming and everybody very afraid and cautious of General AI too...

[@adamrak7560]

- They are limiting GMO because the benefits are minuscule for them, so it is very cheap to be careful. (the increase of GDP from GMO is comparatively tiny) - Human cloning without very high tech genetic engineering is basically useless for countries like China, so this explains why it was so easy to convince everybody not to do it. - A.G.I. is different: it is an extremely powerful technology. For oppressive regimes A.G.I would mean that they no longer depend on the working class, basically eliminating any chance the regime could be overthrown. There are many other benefits of A.G.I. for oppressive regimes too, and they may even convince themselves that the warnings about the dangers are just propaganda to slow them down. In Europe and USA, non experts generally play down the dangers, or downright deny them. (even some experts do not believe that A.G.I. would pose any significant danger)

[@theduke6174]

I BURN for Laconian content 🔥🔥🔥

[@toiletNerd]

It needs to be more pure than any Martian content ever could be

[@theduke6174]

@@toiletNerd i doubt they could give us more Laconian clips, I'm already done with the Marco Inaros arc, but they're going to focus on his throughout season 6

[@yensid4294]

Kinda hoping they do what Firefly did & finish the story with a couple of big budget movies. (Possible book spoilers) I doubt they'll do a 30 year time jump but they may go with 10 or 15 or even less which is fine by me. I'd really like to see Laconia & the Laconian ships on the big screen & done better than Illus.

[@Kwasimitsu]

A series covering the novellas would be pretty sweet Pete, just saying...

[@PrathameshPonkshe]

Read it 😂

[@Kwasimitsu]

@@PrathameshPonkshe Already did smart guy. It's fun content and would be cool to discuss.

[@edwardkane7361]

Question...may include spoilers:- Not sure if Laconia is Earth-like in terms of size....but if The protomolecule structure can be clearly seen from Laconia's surface in daylight, then the structure and that half-constructed ship must be massive....wonder how much bigger it would be compared to a Donnager?

[@crapinho]

the real question: how much more powerful and advanced would it be?

[@edwardkane7361]

@@crapinho In terms of powerful...probably 'Very' and in terms of advanced....difficult to say considering a very limited understanding of an alien technology that can re-purpose your DNA, can generate a massive amount of energy & can 'glass' entire solar systems...that kind of tech could accelerate a civilization's technological level by thousands of years in the space of a few decades. Will all that power be used with wisdom for the benefit of mankind....doubt it..(if Laconians are anything to go by.) but I think we can all be sure the consequences will be spectacular.

[@crapinho]

@@edwardkane7361 if you read the books, you'll see how it turns out! and yes, the Laconians are not the "good guys" here so you might have an idea that things are gonna bad...

[@edwardkane7361]

@@crapinho Yeah...its going to be messy isn't it. Working my way through the books (book 3 next) but will stop at book 5 until they release Season 6. But it is fun to theorize. :)

[@zepol258]

Is there a book to jump into going forward or should I read ALL of them? Tempted to get book 6 and move on

[@PetePeppers1]

I think if you started on 6 you'd inevitably want to go back to the beginning. I recommend starting at book 1, but if you're impatient 6 will introduce the story for season 6.

[@chiragpatankar2013]

What an explanation! This youtube channel is such an underrated channel. You have a high potential my friend! Just wait and never give up on this. You will get what you deserve soon.❤️ Edit : Also, can someone tell me how many seasons in total do we have for 'The Expanse' ? I hope 6th Season is not the last one :'(

[@10010s]

Whoa, weird coincidence. Playing AC Odyssey and listening, and teleported to Lakonia the same time the it got mentioned in the video. The Expanse is an awesome show looking forward to next season.

[@ColtonRDean]

The Langoliers got Laconia.

[@kevinsingh2815]

i really like your videos. Also, nice to see you don't cave to spoiler request. Those people who decide to read the books will have a fulfilling payoff. Keep well.

[@RGC-gn2nm]

Circuit breaker built into the gate systems. Anything big enough to concern the og builders will be Dutchmanned

[@CEOsario]

Great job...thanks for sharing...

[@seriouslypretending]

I was wondering what the thing above laconia was. I can't wait to see the wacky things that the protomolecule does on that planet!

[@curtcoeurdelion]

All Hail LACONIA!

[@crippletime]

More videos like this please.

[@PetePeppers1]

I'm going to do a book spoilers speculation video for season 6, but probably won't be out until the weekend.

[@eddscall]

Thanks for this

[@jakenorthbriz]

What about the water fuel cell? Humanity had a chance to have free energy to run our cars but the oil companies forced the car companies not to build them because they would lose all their money. That's technology that could of pushed us forward but we didn't use.

[@prpplague]

just enough info! perfect balance!

[@Cybonator]

FYI Laconia is another name for Sparta/Spartan

[@randyallison3757]

If the Unknown Aggressors destroyed the BarKeith, why would the put up with Marco trying to control the Ring Space? It would seem that they could just destroy him in the Ring Space or when he tried to exit through one. Of course, I tend to think that Phillip might kill his father as he told Naomi that he could succeed without her or Marco. As mean as Marco is at times, Phillip could snap.

[@Iain0101]

[spoiler] Thanks for the analysis. Something I didn’t pick up from the books that was clarified here: the things that came out of the Sol gate to reap havoc were already partially constructed. I had assumed that Laconia scientists had advanced their protomolecule knowledge enough to build them from scratch. This explains something I didn’t understand before - why were the quantity of these items were so limited.

[@soumen1082]

[spoiler] There was only 1 half made ship. They build the other 2 Magnetar class ship from scratch. They know how to build the ships. what they did not anticipate was "the Bullet" placed by Unknown Aggressors/Goths when they fired the magnetic weapon on Pallas. or the lost time experienced by entire Sol System.

[@Brannon1009]

You heard anything on when the last book is coming out? It was supposed to be released last year. I don’t want them to rush but man I hate waiting years to finish a story.

[@NickKharchenko]

November was mentioned in some comments

[@archivistdarrowphayne2432]

Okay so I stopped the video at 9:35, before the object in the sky is revealed I have some questions. I read the books that were out at the time in 2015 and it's been so long that I kind of remember a lot but kind of forgot some. Is the reveal of the object in the sky in book five or book six? because when I do pick it back up I'm going to start at book six.

[@PetePeppers1]

It's not really confirmed until book 7. Something that happens in book 6 hints at it, but the plot point it spoils doesn't happen until the seventh.

[@waraidako]

The Laconia plotline is honestly the most interesting one in the franchise, and it's a damn shame we won't be getting books 7-8-9 in show form to explore it. I'm hoping the small glimpse we get of the Heart of the Tempest is the show runners trying to drum up excitement for the show so Amazon change their minds and keep it going. And yeah, what happens after book 6 poses a big problem, but I feel like the technology is there to allow them to push through it.

[@NotContinuum]

I always hear the ship name as, "The Barkeep".

[@albertl6286]

Thx for the info I am one that started reading the book 5 and was little lost with the difference from the book compared to the show would like to know if you would do a video on what difference Maybe season one through four compared to the books 1 through four

[@willy-johndejager6810]

fucking awesome mr peppers. i lovethis show and the books

[@danielcamacho1913]

I don't need the end credits explained. I wish someone would just play the blasted video. I saw the end credit video once, and last night when I wanted to see it again, Amazon wouldn't show it. Since they posted Season 6, Amazon insists on cutting off the end credit scene and going to the next episode. 😠

[@jasonyoung5628]

What i wonder is if there will be a Star Wars like EU, where other writers take up the mantle and write stories about some of the other 1300 world's through the rings.

[@bitchyfang]

starting book 8... Duarte is a God...

[@billbo3590]

I loved the first 4 seasons. I have not been able to get passed episode 3 of season 5. It is so boring this year.

[@riwanramli7604]

So let me get this straight? there is humans, gate builders and an unknown hostile alien that makes the proto molecule that almost wipeout the entire galaxy. So the hostile alien is from the space between space in the ring transit. Am i wrong or right? Im still confuse who actually make the proto molecule..is it the gate builders or the unknown hostile alien? Because the proto molecule makes the gate right? so does that make the proto molecule the gate builders or originate from gate builders right? and the hostile alien is from the space between space right?

[@ericcoskun1]

The gate builders and the ones that created the protomolecule are one in the same, the unknown dark entities destroyed the creators of the protomolecule.

[@riwanramli7604]

@@ericcoskun1 So this dark entities is from that gate thing devouring the MCRN ship. Wow. thanks.

[@anonymoususer3561]

@@riwanramli7604 Blue=protomolecule, gates, planet terraformers Red=Warp worms, killers of blue

[@riwanramli7604]

@@anonymoususer3561 thanks. I never saw it that way. Interesting.

[@iainansell5930]

the protomolecule only became something bad because it was miss-used by dodgy scientists..

[@DeliveryWithoutSmoke]

"kool-aid drinker look" thats dense

[@carolhaley1470]

Thank you 😊 give more information ℹ️ love 💕 your details since you have read the book I have no need to read the books 📚

[@jasonwadkins7410]

Volumes 6,7 and 8 are awesome. I can't wait for vol. 9. Read the books if you are a fan of the show.

[@stephenbetley9596]

Agree, Book 8 especially was one of my top 3 fantasy / sci-fi books.

[@RGSRinc]

I am a huge fan of the books BUT I never read the novellas. I've found myself increasingly frustrated / disappointed with the later books and it has all centered around the whole Duarte / Laconia story arc. I've thought the background / development of this vital portion of the story was just missing. I'm quickly realizing that the novellas are the missing pieces to the puzzle. Already had it on my to-read list to go back and read the novels again. Definitely going to incorporate the novellas this time. Thx for the great vids, Pete.

[@mulletmann6558]

one thing that was repeatedly told to holden....check your corners....when you enter a room and get too excited you forget to check all the corners. they are literally travelling through gates(doors) and are not checking out the whole solar systems....just the habitable planets it seems. what if theres something still waiting in one of these systems....dark and hard to see until its too late.

[@brucetucker4847]

Doors and corners, kid. That's where they get you.

[@mulletmann6558]

@@brucetucker4847 that was it lmao couldn't remember it exactly, just that it was repeatedly stated to him.

[@nancyandaharon]

The writers missed bringing that Monica/Missing ships thread back into the last couple of episodes. I've read the books, so I wasn't lost, but I couldn't remember when or to what extent the ring gate Dutchman phenomena was explained. Maybe a little less lounging around and drinking on Luna, and more pulling the story together towards the conclusion.

[@DidntKnowWhatToPut1]

This guys speaks in all caps.

[@WeGameHard]

Live stream WHENNNN!

[@PetePeppers1]

Maybe Sunday. Still thinking about it.

[@the_hwyman]

So I'm reading the books. Just finished book 5 (Nemesis Game). Should I read Strange Dogs now or wait until after I read book 6?

[@PetePeppers1]

Publication order, which is considered the right way to read them, says to read it after book 6. Doesn't really make a big difference in this case, but it might feel like going backward in a way if you read it first.

[@the_hwyman]

@@PetePeppers1 Thanks! I think I was making that decision more difficult than it should have been.

[@WolfX48]

The is no one above Duarte right? He is the main ruler of the Laconia Empire. I notice they didn't have a Emperor, but I guess High Consul is the direct Monarch role then

[@crmesson22k]

What do you think this means for season 6 with books 7, 8 and 9?

[@YannMetalhead]

Good video.

[@gnomadD_]

***Potential book spoiler*** ----- 9:48 So is that the half finished Proteus in orbit you reckon?

[@PetePeppers1]

Spoiler That's what it should be. Hopefully they'll pull it up to Medina next season so we can get a look at it.

[@gastono8179]

@@PetePeppers1 Spoiler Looks too big to be the Proteus, the guys in the wiki are already calling it the Tempest, but it wouldn't be the first time they are wrong

[@manst8079]

@@PetePeppers1 Spoiler I'm pretty sure the protesus was just a normal ship with a fancy advanced new hull, that's why the peeps on Medina didn't question it too much and just went "uh, those strange martians are already developing new tech, neat". That seems to alien for a normal vessel.

[@Dan-uf2vh]

without reading the books, what if the blue protomolecule is a rogue AI and the red stuff is an AI virus; neither (if at all two) civilization(s) survived but their machines lingered

[@brucetucker4847]

No, it's pretty clear that they're tech built by two different alien races, one of whom used the "red stuff" to wipe out the other.

[@tmmartinesq.6216]

Pays to never bring up the rear in the Ring Gate.

[@IGameChangerI]

A 3 percent loss rate? Governments not treating such a high percentage as significant? People unnecessarily dying? The expanse used to be realistic man!

[@steriopticon2687]

With communication lag, different governments on different planets hence separate recordkeeping and in general no faction friendly with the others; and the Duarte plot... who knew?

[@PetePeppers1]

@@steriopticon2687 this plus like Fred said it's happening on the other side of the rings.

[@Shadow__133]

It's not 3% of the population going missing, just of the ships venturing through a barely discovered alien wormhole to explore. I say its very acceptable.

[@elliotsmith9812]

In the book there were a lot more survivors from Protogen. I was not happy with how the show conveniently killed off all but one. In fact, Thoth was stupidly understaffed in the show.

[@kittythecat8974]

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[@PetePeppers1]

cool.

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[@Emanon...]

I have a hard time seeing the show concluding in a single season the three story arcs of 1)Free Navy 2)Laconia and 3)The story of the builders and their destroyers. I have an even harder time of seeing the show beyond season/book 6 with everyone 20 years older and the whole 2) + 3) arc that is yet to be concluded in the books.

[@edbouhl3100]

Agreed, Season 6 is likely to be just Book 6 plus some novella material and foreshadowing. To be convincing, books 7-9 would need a whole new cast, which seems unlikely. Maybe as a separate series in a few years.

[@iainansell5930]

@@edbouhl3100 i would assume they would reduce the large time lapse between books, to a smaller time lapse, to account for the actors ages.. plus as the final book hasn't been written yet, i guess there may be a year or two off filming- if they decide to carry on..

[@Emanon...]

@@edbouhl3100 Yeah a planned 4-5 season run with a new cast and the aged Roci crew as support - could definitely see that as an option.

[@tclass99]

After seeing Duarte in ep. 4 I think I preferred this actor who played Sauveterre. For show purposes it might have been better to meld those two characters into one and not have him die on the Barkieff.

[@BigMikeMcBastard]

The show's actor playing Duarte is much, much closer to the novel's Duarte than the guy who played Sauveterre. Duarte is a kind of friendly, wise, soft-spoken gentleman. He's the philosopher-king of Laconia. Sauveterre's actor demonstrated none of those qualities. Which was appropriate, as that wasn't the kind of character Sauveterre was.

[@ugorizzoli5830]

SPOILER . . . I know the timeline doesn't quite fit, but i'll be damned if that's not almost exactly what i imagined the Magnetar class would look like.

[@gastono8179]

Spoiler I know right? In the book the first ship they build is the Proteus, but in the series they mention that the deal with the Free Navy is fulfilled, so maybe they are going to skip the railgun installation in the Slow Zone, so the Proteus would be unneeded in the story

[@ugorizzoli5830]

@@gastono8179 . . . If i remember correctly the Proteus is only mentioned once in a Singh chapter. Assuming they want to adapt the laconian trilogy in 3 movies or something similar I guess teasing something that will never actually have a meaningful role in the story makes little sense.

[@LordOfNihil]

so about erich... we might get to see him again if we somehow get auberon adapted. at least i think that's erich, the book never actually mentions his name.

[@PetePeppers1]

It's definitely him. Hopefully we'll see it someday.

[@isaacnewswanger8046]

if you played any Sci-Fi game with ship you saw a shipyard right away.

[@jaffarebellion292]

Construction complete. Technology secured. Anomaly detected.

[@bufflikejesus3268]

The protomocule/unknown aggressors is just like the others in got the most dangerous thing in the story no one pays attention to and when holden/john snow says hey man but its to late for listening

[@xchazz86]

Looks like giant protomolecule space herpies in low orbit.

[@shonaschneider1800]

Reading books 7 and 8 in our current political climate has given the books even more weight. The writing is so good.