The extractive logic has run its course: An economic history of Kenya with Darius Okolla

What explains the current mess of the Kenyan economy that led to the #RejectFinanceBill2024 protests? Darius Okolla meticulously walks us through a journey of economic history, revealing that Kenya's problem is parasitic colonial economy based on extraction, promoted by a miseducated Kenyan bureaucratic elite.

[@chapatiism]

Darius Okolla, this is epic. Please write a book, or if you already have covering the ground you did here, let us know so we can buy it! Wow! Posterity needs to be educated as you have discussed, so we need a book!!!❤

[@Am_YT90]

Yaani people who think like this are in this world lakini the president needs 165 advisors who he advices on how to advise him

[@MarkAKathurima]

The great minds of Kenya!

[@kunyukjohn100]

Your grasp of colonial history is this amazing, Darius.

[@georgemuriu9328]

This is a wonderful primer to neocolonialism. The next question is what we should do? History teach that social change is brought about by a small informed and committed individuals and groups; less than 3%. Sharing of information is not enough! We need to be proactive. We need to start the "second liberation" movement. Informed people of good intentions should start forming discussion groups, think tanks and educational societies. I have a legal background and I am available.

[@Aragosta413]

Absolutely. Kenyan society in general needs to be liberated from social and daily neo colonialism, whiteness aspiration and adornment of white people. White people in Kenya are very disrespectful to black people in either a patronising, dismissive or passive aggressive manner and we Kenyans allow it and chase them.

[@dante_1273]

I am a young founder, of a tech startup, I like your idea, I am also available

[@pchab1966]

Wonderful conversation. I am encouraged that these kinds of conversations are going on in Kenya. But like Okolla said, there is no schadenfreude for those of us who have been talking and thinking like this for 30-40 years and always received dismissive retorts about our "ivory tower" theories, eti tukuje kwa ground and do things the Kenyan way! The Kenyan way is a mess and a hijacked system that does not serve Kenya or Kenyans.

[@mixzangu]

Darius, always a pleasure listening to you sir.

[@omondi_wa_butere]

Darius na Wandia apo 1:39:20 you have made everything make sense to me wah

[@robertgichuru8707]

This presentation is thoughtful, inspiring, and insightful. It highlights an important issue: elite overproduction.

[@pchab1966]

Wandia Njoya, thank you for this excellent podcast! I highly recommend you read and share widely the book "In the Forest of No Joy: The Congo Ocean Railroad and the Tragedy of French Colonialism". I knew about Belgian Congo atrocities in the pursuit of profits from rubber, but this detailed and documented reality of French colonialism in Congo is incredibly enlightening because the tactics and thoughts described have not changed much to this very day with regard to how the lenders and foreign "investors" behave in Kenya!

[@joachimoab6445]

Great treatise!

[@aghan-oderoagan7561]

Quite discerning and revealing about crisis magnitude of Kenya's unfolding sociopolitical reality! Hapa ndio inatakikana thoughtleadership ishikane mkono na realtime mapinduzi bila ulegevu lolote. Time has actually run out! ☹️

[@blackhibiscus1876]

Wueh. Nilidhani nimesoma. Thank you for these conversconversations.🎉

[@magurumwaniki1885]

Wow, what an insightful talk. Maybe dr njoya you could break it down into 2 parts next time so it is not too intimidating from the onset on the time investment required, just a suggestion.

[@emarickochieng4214]

I find maisha kazini an interesting place.

[@blackhibiscus1876]

Wandia , you steer the conversation well.

[@user-rb1fx4wy2u]

Nawapenda Bwana

[@robertgichuru8707]

How can we shift societal values to recognize and appreciate the contributions of non-university individuals, and create opportunities for them to thrive and improve themselves, rather than viewing them as failures?

[@stevensmith2078]

A few comments to this excellent discussion: Marketing boards are institutions that were set up to secure tax revenues from cash crops in economies where there is little formal employment. This is the case in both East Africa and West Africa, such as with the Ghana Cocoa Board. Economic freedom can proceed political freedom. Revisit East Asian tigers and China. Manufacturing for export into competitive markets helps this. Large scale employment (democratization of employment) and moving up the value chain to more complex manufactured goods facilitates this. It would be great to hear a discussion on industrialization, one that includes discussion of why manufacturing is so expensive on the continent, which makes it uncompetitive, and that discusses overvalued exchange rates as a key factor.

[@dante_1273]

I like your take, on your last point, I think manufacturing has a lot of components, from educated labor (which we mostly have), and steady and continuous economic policies for the sector, which we lack, you look at what Kibaki did, look at what Uhuru did, and look at what Ruto is doing, there is no continuity, This is only true for us, I do not know about the rest of the continent

[@blackhibiscus1876]

Mr. Okolla. You are good. I say so. Allow me. Darn. Accept the compliment.

[@omondi_wa_butere]

omg apo 1:38:27 Uhuru borrowed because there was nothing to steal we literally have an extractive system and people have gotten used to it. now we don't know what to do

[@HifltechLimited]

wueeh ! the intelligence we have here is min boggling,yet hrer we are;i think the devil is real

[@ikyinky5680]

This is excellent!

[@KimaniKibobiMethi]

Please Wandia and Darius, refuse any future government appointment. You'll morph into the same people you are fighting and leave us as orphans.

[@allenmaa7064]

13:07 what kind of a human do we want to produce? Excellent for education - but we can even ask a bigger “why”? Why exactly are we African nations? For what? For what purpose are we organized this way? Development is not a national purpose.

[@user-rb1fx4wy2u]

Santeni Bwana

[@user-rb1fx4wy2u]

Hata university haifunzi hivi BWANA

[@ramakariz9376]

How we have been dumbed down

[@bibibibi4577]

Osama Oteros' misadventures in the Reject Finance Bil movement explains the "interest " in the creative economy. Struggling creatives with thousands of followers is such an easy way of manipulating the masses.

[@peterwanjihia2372]

Wueeeeh

[@user-rb1fx4wy2u]

Ile ingine ya kitambo iko?

[@melvinlukorito9544]

To grow only on American terms.

[@omondi_wa_butere]

ukiaccet Christianity unakua more likely to accept your exploitation and that of others within capitalist imperialism. it becomes a way to cope. on the other hand, as a capitalist imperialism subjects, you get values and stories and communities which can allow you to get crumbs za io system.