The Failed Femininity of Netflix's Katara

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Master Samwise

Master Samwise

2 ай бұрын

Well... they tried. Or did they? I honestly am not sure how it's possible to take a character with this much depth to her and just completely flatten her character arc, nuke her relationships, and make her into yet another self-actualizing girlboss who only needs herself to win the day, Is this what we want from the women whom we consider heroes? That they just want to fight? Are not the relationships they build and the virtues they display more important? What a waste.
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@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 2 ай бұрын
They stripped my girl of her fiery spirit, her passion, her determination and will power, and her never ending love and compassion for people. The original Avatar has some of the greatest female characters to ever be put onscreen, Katara being one of them. This is NOT Katara.
@greent26tube
@greent26tube 2 ай бұрын
Exactly; you put into words why while watching I felt this entire series on Netflix to be devoid of heart and emotion.
@rialove8451
@rialove8451 2 ай бұрын
I never felt that she was stripped of those things tho ESPECIALLY when she was at the northern water tribe, her "fiery spirit" definitely came out and it feels like she'll grow even more into her character.
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 2 ай бұрын
@@rialove8451 I WHOLEHEARTEDLY disagree. One episode does not justify 7 other episodes where Katara is a shadow of her real self. And even that episode, it is again a very hollow shadow of everything she is.
@user-nk5ui2eu6r
@user-nk5ui2eu6r 2 ай бұрын
Make Stories Great Again❤ Make America Great Again❤
@Iden_Elihio_1999
@Iden_Elihio_1999 2 ай бұрын
​@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343Exactly ....
@AscendantStoic
@AscendantStoic 2 ай бұрын
When a "kids" animated show is far more mature than a Netflix adaptation for "adults" you know something went horribly wrong.
@glo391
@glo391 2 ай бұрын
You’re so right…
@gwen5715
@gwen5715 2 ай бұрын
"Mature" isn't the right word. You are using that word to describe quality. If you fail to use words properly they lose meaning
@gwen5715
@gwen5715 2 ай бұрын
The Netflix adaptation isn't specifically for adults either. Its closer to being like Korra. Or how Avatar would of been if it aired on cartoon network instead of Nick. In terms of censorship. But in no way is this specifically trying to be an adult show.
@AscendantStoic
@AscendantStoic 2 ай бұрын
@@gwen5715 Maybe say that to the show creators who literally said that they want to appeal to the "Game of Thrones" audience, which last time I checked was a show for mature audiences.
@younghades2503
@younghades2503 2 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠​⁠@@gwen5715there were people literally burned alive, blown up, and they happily showed people bleeding too on camera in the live action😂 but sure it’s SPECIFICALLY for kids and def not the the old fans of avatar
@blubblubblup
@blubblubblup 2 ай бұрын
best thing about netflix's avatar is how it makes me want to watch the original again
@JackAttack-jn4op
@JackAttack-jn4op 2 ай бұрын
I started the original immediately after finishing the Netflix version lol
@rosebrown7002
@rosebrown7002 2 ай бұрын
@@JackAttack-jn4op same tbh
@emanuelarriaza3710
@emanuelarriaza3710 2 ай бұрын
Yea KZbin did a live show of an episode and everyone just loved it it was aang vs bomi😊
@minatorres5261
@minatorres5261 2 ай бұрын
@@JackAttack-jn4opme too. I’m currently in season 2. Oh! How I missed sokka’s humor
@Sly-Moose
@Sly-Moose 2 ай бұрын
And look forward to the movie that the OG ATLA creators are gonna make of Team Avatar in their 20s
@iech0526
@iech0526 2 ай бұрын
The fact that the original animated ATLA writers WALKED OUT of the development process of this show because they were being forced to go along with changes to the story they could not, in good conscience, support tells you all you need to know. This video was very illuminating, and also very depressing. I'm going to do my best to forget the new live action exists.
@bubbles4897
@bubbles4897 2 ай бұрын
I’m so tired of people saying this. Those motherfuckers talked favorably about that horrid movie adaptation, and plus, people act like they were the bread and butter of the show but there were so much more people who contributed even MORE
@tcrzsppr3163
@tcrzsppr3163 2 ай бұрын
Eh, both writers had been going downhill with Korra and I also believe they wrote the first chapter of the Netflix adaptation, they aren't what they used to be.
@Gandorhar
@Gandorhar 2 ай бұрын
​@@tcrzsppr3163Do you even know why Korra is writen the way it is?
@yusaidit5311
@yusaidit5311 2 ай бұрын
​​@@bubbles4897*cough* Aaron Ehasz
@cuppajoe2
@cuppajoe2 2 ай бұрын
Korra was pretty good (Except for season 2 we don't talk about season 2)@@tcrzsppr3163
@mimaimoo
@mimaimoo 2 ай бұрын
Honestly, I think actress for Katara has this drive to her in interviews. She seems genuinely passionate about Avatar, knowing many aspects of the lore and being excited to share it. It was nice seeing her ramble about something she feels strongly about, and I wish they let her show this side of her on the screen, because I feel like she has the potential to show Katara's emotional range. Then again, I feel like the actors are more like their characters off screen, without a script or any restrictions. They have such great chemistry as a cast, and I hope the direction/writing in the future isn't as disappointing as this season.
@blumelodiez
@blumelodiez 2 ай бұрын
I wholeheartedly agree. Kiawentiio seems like she could do so much more for the character. The entire cast, I feel like, is being held back by the writing and directing
@ursidae97
@ursidae97 2 ай бұрын
It's always the billionaires who make the stories lesser
@ieatteeth5605
@ieatteeth5605 2 ай бұрын
@@blumelodiez Literally! All the actors deserve better writing
@Dred0n
@Dred0n 2 ай бұрын
Fr like that's the Katara I want not the Katara Netflix gave us. I really hope in season 2-3 they bring out Kiawentiio personality into Katara.
@mayae9372
@mayae9372 2 ай бұрын
Shes such a good actress 🥹
@PrettyPrincess9609
@PrettyPrincess9609 2 ай бұрын
As a woman, I am PISSED on how they RUINED Katara’s character. They turned a strong , stubborn, and independent girl who never gave up no matter what anyone said to a soft spoken girl who couldn’t even stand up to her brother. Also it made no sense how she became a master after NO TRAINING ! In the cartoon, she FOUGHT to be trained. In this live action show, they turned her into a master after ONE fight when she went to the Northern water tribe. 🙄
@yurichtube1162
@yurichtube1162 2 ай бұрын
I hope there is no season 2
@beepboop4833
@beepboop4833 2 ай бұрын
Ironic when they are always talking about female empowerment but then remove her fierceness and strength, and all the moments where she inspires others...
@mariekeho
@mariekeho 2 ай бұрын
It reminds me so much of the live action Mulan, where instead of the hard work she had to put in in the original, she was just "naturally" better. As a woman, that is not inspiring to me at all. I am not born with supernatural abilities or a natural inclination for a skill so therefore I shouldn't even try, according to budget Katara and live action Mulan. The actual Katara and original Mulan, however, show me that through hard work and determination, we can achieve what we want. I prefer the latter over the former.
@mrkleenupguy5781
@mrkleenupguy5781 2 ай бұрын
I think we're supposed to assume they trained/fought off screen, which still sucks
@Eilonwy95
@Eilonwy95 2 ай бұрын
Exactly!!! She was an actual strong character in the original. Not just her water bending but her entire personality.
@Sly-Moose
@Sly-Moose 2 ай бұрын
They literally made Katara more passive and quiet, which is even more sexist! OG Katara wouldn't have even bothered waiting for Paku to "give her permission to fight". She would have just already been fighting!
@huntressmma1822
@huntressmma1822 2 ай бұрын
Don't know if it was intentional but "Puka" made me lmao😂
@ChromeandClean
@ChromeandClean 2 ай бұрын
define sexism
@Legitimate123
@Legitimate123 2 ай бұрын
@@ChromeandCleanYeah that's not really sexist at all lol. Stupid, but not sexist.
@cutecats532
@cutecats532 2 ай бұрын
They basically said she was skilled enough to be a master without being taught by him, and gave her more agency instead of Paku needing to realize she was his ex fiancee's gran kid who left because she disagreed with the traditions, and somehow accepting her off screen without really explaining it. It wasn't just Paku either, they made Aang agree with Paku at first too, which would wear anyone down at first especially a teenager. A lot of you guys criticizing the show don't see what the writers were going for. It was never going to be exactly the same. Some things either don't work in live action or had to be cut for runtime. Useless conflicts that build on Katara being fiery, like snapping at Aang over water bending, were cut to save time. Conflicts with her brother and Paku weren't cut and show she doesn't get angry for no reason, which might've probably made critics call her a bitch so no winning. Maybe we'd get some Toph and Katara fighting later if people don't ruin the show's chances at a second season.
@Lulu.Cthulhu
@Lulu.Cthulhu 2 ай бұрын
Puka? Lmao you mean Paku?
@user-ks5cg5cd7m
@user-ks5cg5cd7m 2 ай бұрын
“When the focus on the character is just her power, she isn’t a character at all. She’s just a weapon.” Good observation.
@deadpoolrockz6410
@deadpoolrockz6410 2 ай бұрын
They went full Rey with this Katara. You never go full Rey.
@Master10k2
@Master10k2 25 күн бұрын
Might as well just call her "M1-Katara" at this point.
@shannonmcelroy8454
@shannonmcelroy8454 24 күн бұрын
So, in a sense, she's being objectified in the old sense of the word.
@ggrarl
@ggrarl 2 ай бұрын
Katara's mother really said, "One day you'll show the world how powerful you are"? That sounds like something you'd say to a future supervillan.
@10freekie2
@10freekie2 2 ай бұрын
yeah it is awful i just realised how bad the writing was now i read that in a vacuum.
@EugeneOneguine
@EugeneOneguine Ай бұрын
Literally sounds like what Ozai would say to Azula...
@m-pc5334
@m-pc5334 Ай бұрын
I think it’s because of the adaptation’s obsession with fighting and treating it like the only thing that matters. It severely muddies the story
@johjoh9270
@johjoh9270 Ай бұрын
plot twist, netflix WILL have the characters have their development... by canonizing evil Katara
@jokhard8137
@jokhard8137 28 күн бұрын
@@EugeneOneguine Wouldn't it be cool if they had a scene like that later on in the series, though?
@ishathakor
@ishathakor 2 ай бұрын
making katara a naturally skilled waterbender is so.... bad. katara was always innately powerful (even since the first episode) but she was never innately skilled. the reason she gets so good in the finale of season 1 is she's actually fighting to learn with pakku and aang is fucking around doing nothing. the reason she's such a fearsome fighter later in the show is because she WORKS AT IT. it's like this show is allergic to the idea that people might have to learn to fight.
@edogawaconan4869
@edogawaconan4869 2 ай бұрын
How Millennials were raised: Animation Katara (have that strong mindset to be optimistic) How a traumatized Generation Z was raised: Netflix Katara (realistic) I was literally told the same thing ( my water "instinct" was good ) by my swimming coaches and learned how to do the right moves right after watching them do it. But being bullied in school and the neglection of my father and teacher did held me back, and I thought I was not worthy for these people. Changing your mindset can be an advantage, Neflix just didn't film enough Katara scenes.
@cutecats532
@cutecats532 2 ай бұрын
She became skilled because instead of fighting with Aang, who is a master bender, Aang teaches her the basics of bending in general. No conflict over the scroll because the origin changed and it's just hers, and she listened to Aang when he tried to tell her the key to bending. She learned the basics from Aang and was stronger for it. Everything they changed in the show makes a logical sense.
@danielar4413
@danielar4413 2 ай бұрын
This remembers me of Mulan the live action. It's the same thing. They made her a natural skilled fighter and that completely ruins all the deepness in Mulan's character
@OutcastLove365
@OutcastLove365 2 ай бұрын
I mean not really? Katara struggled in the live action as well. She gradually gets stronger over the season as she practices and seeks advice from other people. She was never innately skilled.
@Barakon
@Barakon 2 ай бұрын
@@edogawaconan4869I’m what you’d call Gen z but I still grew up on OG reruns on nick.
@FrizziExRose
@FrizziExRose 2 ай бұрын
Katara's mother was not a warrior. She was a protector. When the fire nation showed up looking for a water bender, her mother lied to protect Katara. She sacrificed herself for her child without fighting. This is why Katara started mothering Sokka. Because she felt like their mother's sacrifice was her fault, and Sokka still needed a mom. Not once, considering that she also still needed her mom. It shapes who Katara is as a person. They even could've used that to attempt to drive a girl boss attitude, and that still would've been better writing than what they gave their audience.
@huntressmma1822
@huntressmma1822 2 ай бұрын
I think he was referring to Jet's mom being the fighter not Katara's, I could be wrong though.
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 2 ай бұрын
@@huntressmma1822 No in the live action show, Katara's mom was rewritten to be a fighter.
@huntressmma1822
@huntressmma1822 2 ай бұрын
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 Ah, I didn't notice that detail. I only watched the live action once so sometimes my brain doesn't pick up on things sometimes. 😂
@kenslycarpel3140
@kenslycarpel3140 2 ай бұрын
If I wanted to give the show the benefit of the doubt, I’d say Katara saw her mother as a “warrior” in her own way and called her such, after all, protecting those you care for is just as important for a warrior as fighting the enemy in combat.
@huntressmma1822
@huntressmma1822 2 ай бұрын
@@kenslycarpel3140 That's a cool way of putting it, there are different types of warriors not just the combat kind!
@sadscientist9995
@sadscientist9995 2 ай бұрын
Paku didn’t train her in the Netflix version because “you can’t have a woman learn something/be taught by a man” -modern writers
@Fr0zenPeanut
@Fr0zenPeanut 2 ай бұрын
Yup, they didn't want him 'mansplaining' waterbending to her.
@BlushingRoseDiaries
@BlushingRoseDiaries 2 ай бұрын
The woke culture is ruining everything
@mlk0-0
@mlk0-0 2 ай бұрын
Except she improves through being spoken to by Aang and Jet. They can't even keep their own nonsense consistent
@dejajade6726
@dejajade6726 2 ай бұрын
​​​​@@mlk0-0 Then I don't think it was a matter of inconsistency and not wanting him to teach her but time and plot. Like not to be vulgar but Zhao and the Fire Nation was right up their ass crack 😭😭 Literally five minutes after fighting Paku, Fire Nation ships pull up into the tribe's territory. They immediately go straight into the final battle. There was no time for training. And there's literally no more episodes. And yeah you could argue that the writers chose to make it that way, but to be fair to them, they set that up since episode 2 when Kyoshi tells Aang that he has to go to the North to stop the Fire Nation attack. That was their primary motivation for going there, as well as the driving force of the season. Getting trained was secondary.
@mlk0-0
@mlk0-0 2 ай бұрын
@@dejajade6726 Maybe for that example, it could just be extremely poor pacing and content choices. However, through a slew of other choices in how they obliterated Katara's character (and Suki's for that matter) has turned her in yet another "I'm a fighter and literally nothing else" female "girl boss" character. The writing is highly incompetent, and she manages to be both weak and mild compared to real Katara while also being only really about fighting and proclaim she is her own bending master, which makes no sense. So, I wouldn't put it pass them to just have messed up or simply not realize that their nonsense contradicts
@crimsonpheonix1715
@crimsonpheonix1715 2 ай бұрын
Katara was already the embodiment of a fullfilled feminist character, you know, dynamic and human. If anything it feels more sexist that her rage and deep emotional capacity is so muted.
@Yupyupyup32
@Yupyupyup32 2 ай бұрын
um no? why does a successful woman have to be an angry one? the cartoon one was so annoying, no different to sokka. this one shows that women dont need to be tortured with sexism to have talent
@gwen5715
@gwen5715 2 ай бұрын
​@@Yupyupyup32The cartoon one had fans. Few people like the Live Action
@gwen5715
@gwen5715 2 ай бұрын
​@@Yupyupyup32She wasn't "tortured" by sexism. She was clearly stronger than Sokka who was the weakest of the cast. Sokka's character gimmick was about comedically getting shown up after talking down/underestimating someone
@gwen5715
@gwen5715 2 ай бұрын
​@@Yupyupyup32If the "cartoon one" was a problem to you, then it shouldn't be remade. Netflix can make a different show that panders to your agenda. Instead they took an existing show, Avatar and CHANGED IT
@gwen5715
@gwen5715 2 ай бұрын
​@@Yupyupyup32all this proves is that Avatar should not of been remade. The cartoon did not need to be fixed in any manner. Especially not to appeal to the likes of you
@TheLastSpider-Man
@TheLastSpider-Man 2 ай бұрын
Katara seeing waterbending only as a means of being a strong warrior completely erases the nuances of what bending is. Bending is more than just a power or weapon, it's an art form and a part of a nation's culture. The way Katara in the original show spoke about her desire to learn waterbending felt similar to someone wanting to learn how to speak their culture's native language, or experience their culture's lifestyle. As an Asian American who doesn't know how to speak my family's native language, Katara felt relatable in this way
@Sly-Moose
@Sly-Moose 2 ай бұрын
Yess. Like how I'm still trying to learn Spanish
@master_samwise
@master_samwise 2 ай бұрын
In the first episode she even says "waterbending built our culture" and then that line gets completely forgotten throughout the rest of the show.
@kylepessell1350
@kylepessell1350 2 ай бұрын
@@master_samwise The irony of Netflix Katara adopting the Fire Nation's philosophy on bending=power is not lost on me.
@nicoleraheem1195
@nicoleraheem1195 2 ай бұрын
🥹😪👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 *Sniffles 🤧🥹👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 As an Linguistics major, I love the correlation. You've painted a vivid picture. 🤧 Don't give up on yourself. When you're able to, you can take a college language course or visit your parents country. Thank you for sharing. ❤
@tarrker
@tarrker 2 ай бұрын
I feel that. I grew up not really knowing much about my own people and their culture either. Studying our family's form of martial arts was certainly empowering. But, for me, it was simply a way to be closer to my own culture. I didn't care about being strong or anything. In fact, as a guy who grew up in the 80's and 90's, I got really sick of fighting by the end of my school days. Even though I'm a man and the show was released while I was in my 20's, I still really connected with Katara as a character. I think anyone of any race or gender who grew up too fast and had a desire to connect with their ancestry will feel a bit of themselves in Katara. ^_^
@Saymira55
@Saymira55 2 ай бұрын
Katara’s voice actor has more feelings and emotions than the live action Katara.
@BTSIPURPLEYOU-zi4mk
@BTSIPURPLEYOU-zi4mk 2 ай бұрын
Can you do any better? And it’s her first time acting no?
@ethanrodgers2838
@ethanrodgers2838 2 ай бұрын
@@BTSIPURPLEYOU-zi4mk Not the customer’s job to do better.
@drakephysecron6775
@drakephysecron6775 2 ай бұрын
i think the actress was hindered by the script she has so much energy in interviewss
@scribbles3721
@scribbles3721 2 ай бұрын
@@BTSIPURPLEYOU-zi4mk that’s like saying “ I don’t like this movie” “Well you make one then and see how hard it is” ????? What’s ur point
@scribbles3721
@scribbles3721 2 ай бұрын
@@drakephysecron6775literally it’s (mostly) not the actors fault
@potatoespoo
@potatoespoo 2 ай бұрын
And it is definitely NOT Kiawenttio’s fault at all, it’s 100% Netflix’s. She is an actor completely capable of playing the animation version of Katara because she plays that same fiery and passionate character in Beans. It’s a shame that she couldn’t put her skills to use in this adaptation, she would’ve done amazing!
@noranizaazmi6523
@noranizaazmi6523 Ай бұрын
Exactly!
@animeotaku307
@animeotaku307 Ай бұрын
Super sucks when a great actor’s talent is wasted by bad writing and directing.
@1Meepman
@1Meepman 2 ай бұрын
"I am a warrior, but I'm a girl too." ~Suki This show was so ahead of its time with feminism you'd think that line was written today. Granted I'm a man but from what I've seen, even women are getting irritated that every "strong" female character is forced to sacrifice her femininity. ATLA demonstrates power in femininity with the Kyoshi warriors; their uniforms are more feminine with the headdresses, makeup, war fans and dress-like armor.
@Eilonwy95
@Eilonwy95 2 ай бұрын
Well said!
@IllumInator-sv3tl
@IllumInator-sv3tl 2 ай бұрын
Well I’ve seen another video explaining that women characters are a weird combination of not dressing masculine or feminine. So it’s like it’s representing neither in most media. They dress masculine most of the time but still have to be toothpick thin and have curves and wear makeup and impossibly have their hair done in really intense fight scenes while dressing s*xy for the male audience. It’s not that it’s a lack of femininity, it that it’s a straight up lack of multidimensional women characters. Black widow is a good example. Always dresses in tight clothing with a boob window with meticulously done hair and make up that never gets messed up. She never seems to have any importance in the storyline or much to say, she’s a side character there to be gawked at. When they did her backstory it felt hollow. What women are actually mad about is that there are no real representation of women, they never commit to the fact that women typically dress more one way or the other or that women switch which way they dress for fun or for different occasions, and there is no dimensionality to the characters, they usually written off, ect. And then we never see women that are hero’s or main cast that get to be dress feminine or masculine because it’s all performative for the male audience. Almost all the women characters wear clothing or hair that is considered feminine because you’d never see what is considered a masculine man wearing that, so it’s not really a lack of feminity. Plus, in most story’s with women in the main cast they have trauma from war and threats and they don’t have the luxury of stoping to spend 2 hours on their hair, makeup, and outfits. But, there are ways to find balance with this. I can’t recall the video right now, it did a much better job explaining than I did.
@Ika0713
@Ika0713 2 ай бұрын
@@IllumInator-sv3tl What you're talking aboput has NOTHING to do with what we're talking about! You're the reason modern media thinks the way to portray female characters is by having them be stoic and masculine, perfect at everything and always mad, especially at men. You're complaining about female characters dressed sexily in movies, smt that barely happens anymore. We're complaining about female characters not being real characters, being always cardboard cutouts who hate femininity bc god forbid a strong female character likes feminine things, and whose only personality trait is knowing how to fight better than everyone without any training.
@IllumInator-sv3tl
@IllumInator-sv3tl 2 ай бұрын
@@Ika0713 I was bad at explaining what they said. I’m trying to say that what we usually have is neither feminine nor masculine, it’s never a real representation of women who actually wear what they would want to or is good for whatever situation they are in. A lot of media in which you claim it is masculine dressing women or them not embracing their femininity is not that at all. I dress masculine those girls and women most certainly do not most of the time. My point is they try to make it a weird combination of masculine and feminine so they can portray them in a way to make everyone happy when really they are just making everyone mad because it represents neither and ends up being a character dressing s*xy to get the attention of a male audience. It’s very much linked. And in the vast majority of media women, even held women dress feminine we never really see masculine dressing women. It’s still prevalent that they have them dress daintily and act really really feminine. I think she still looks feminine. The way her outfit is styled, how it fits, it’s appearance is more dress-like than Sokka s. She’s still very feminine presenting though she is missing many of the character traits we knew her for in the show and more of her feminine characteristic traits. But she is also lacking in her emotions and actions many still vein as masculine when it’s just emotions. Her anger is greatly toned down as are her motivations. They just made her loose any and all qualities that made her a likable and well written woman character.
@zzzohmy
@zzzohmy 2 ай бұрын
@Ik0713 What mainstream action films are you watching where female characters are “barely” dressed sexy anymore. This wouldn’t be a problem even if true, but if you look at most popular action or superhero films of the last couple decades, women will usually have flattering clothing and hair, be wearing makeup, etc. Female characters in modern media are still plenty feminine. The problem with the stereotypical “strong female character” trope is that they lack depth and individuality as characters. This type of character is flat and doesn’t have realistic human flaws. This is often the case with male heroes and action stars as well, and has been for much longer. You just don’t hear people complain about it every day on youtube, probably because it isn’t effective rage bait for the “woke media is destroying everything” crowd. By the way, anger isn’t gender specific, it’s a human emotion. Female characters expressing anger doesn’t mean they “hate femininity.”
@S_raB
@S_raB 2 ай бұрын
Modern writers think: Empowerment = character development Agency = growth Winning/Losing = plot
@danielbadillo8334
@danielbadillo8334 2 ай бұрын
Nailed it
@VinnyUnion
@VinnyUnion 2 ай бұрын
They must be out of their damn minds then. What I don't get is how this is realistically possible. These writers are old. I mean even the youngest aren't teenagers. They've lived through times and they've likely seen thousands of scripts in their lives. Also they all have a very high graduation. How are such people capable of writing nonsense like this? Or more like, incapable of writing a consistent story?
@talkingweevil3172
@talkingweevil3172 2 ай бұрын
I mean katara is still bad at waterbending in the first season she wasn’t an insane girl boss
@christophergardiner5351
@christophergardiner5351 2 ай бұрын
​@@VinnyUnion because they haven't been humbled yet.
@arnowisp6244
@arnowisp6244 2 ай бұрын
​@@talkingweevil3172 Dude. They cut Katara having to master Water bending with her Grandfather.
@_st4reater
@_st4reater 2 ай бұрын
the loss of her feminine rage is such a depressing loss. as a woman i hate this trope of a woman having to lack emotion and femininity to be “strong”. emotion and femininity MAKES us strong
@animeotaku307
@animeotaku307 Ай бұрын
Also, women’s anger, even when justified, being treated as a specific flaw to begin with. Women getting angry should be treated the same as men getting angry.
@janarenger3938
@janarenger3938 2 ай бұрын
What got me the most is that they stripped her of her anger. In the original, she waterbends Aang out of the iceberg by getting angry at Sokka, but in the remake she does it by stoically waterbending a boat. This is also seen in the Pakku fight, because in the original she gets angry at him and than walks out asking him to fight. But in the netflix she is calmy discussing with Sokka if she should ask Pakku for a duel. Like what? The fight was a spur of the moment decsision made out of anger. And removing her anger might be even more sexist than the original, because anger is traditionally seen as a "masculine" emotion, so cutting out her anger is weird. At first I thought it was an acting issue, but I am more and more starting to think it's the writing / directing. Let 👏 my 👏 girl 👏 be 👏 angry 👏!!Let her make jokes and show her emotions!!!! I am pretty sure her actress will nail it.
@MirrenTheDragonKnight
@MirrenTheDragonKnight 2 ай бұрын
Maybe they thought it made her the "bitchy, irrational female teenager" or some other bollocks.
@Yupyupyup32
@Yupyupyup32 2 ай бұрын
lol yeah the only way a woman can be powerful is if shes a bitter constantly angry feminist.
@TehMomo_
@TehMomo_ 2 ай бұрын
she not only creates the waves that them flip the iceberg that Aang and Appa were trapped in... once she sees that there's someone inside...SHE GRABS HER BROTHERS CLUB AND BASHES THE ICEBERG OPEN. like... that was the most insulting part of the adaptation take on that scene. katara had no agency in aang's rescue...
@hameley12
@hameley12 Ай бұрын
@janarenger3939 My favourite episodes other than the pilot EP have been The Painted Lady, Imprisoned, and the Southern Raiders. Because it shows her soft strengths, hard strengths, compassion, character development and the balance between hot, warm, and cool. Just as water itself, it heals, adapts, is malleable (into mist due to heat) and it is quite versatile, just like Katara. Having weaknesses and phases is what made Katara so real and relatable. The new Katara has none of that, and it is very sad. These actors are excellent at acting. So, if given the correct script and a new director, I'm sure the TV series will turn into a real hit.
@ATLA99
@ATLA99 2 ай бұрын
People talk about how woke Sokka not being a misogynistic, immature teenager undermines his arc, and thats true, but it also hurts Katara's arc as well. A huge part of her character revolves around her dynamic with Sokka. He pisses her off with and she pushes back and puts him in his place. Her fiesty stubbornness also leads to her making some irresponsible decisions like stealing the scroll from the pirates and those moments allow Sokka to have the high ground. Making Sokka supportive and understanding removes so many opportunities for Katara to stand up for herself and let her character stengths and flaws shine Also what in the sweet home south pole posessed the writers to make Katara go into the cave of two lovers with Sokka instead of Aang?
@nope19568
@nope19568 2 ай бұрын
jessie gender pointed out in her review that by making sokka not sexist they inadvertently made the whole show more sexist lol
@galaxywizard8904
@galaxywizard8904 2 ай бұрын
I distinctly remember in the first episode of the cartoon when Sokka and Katara were out catching fish, Sokka was talking about how he should've left Katara back in the village when she messed up her waterbending, and then Katara blew up and called him sexist and insufferable - and her blowing up at him is what caused her waterbending to go out of control and break the iceberg that Aang was in. The cartoon intoduced both of their character flaws right from the get-go, and them bickering was also the reason why they even found Aang to begin with.
@wisdommanari6701
@wisdommanari6701 2 ай бұрын
​@@nope19568really enjoyed that video. Was Captivated by her presentation and break down
@zacharyfreelove6101
@zacharyfreelove6101 2 ай бұрын
I actually kind of liked Sokkas portrayal in the live action was it perfect but its wasn't as bad as i thought it would be.
@Sly-Moose
@Sly-Moose 2 ай бұрын
"We wanted to make the show like Game of Thrones" 💀
@bertimusprime7900
@bertimusprime7900 2 ай бұрын
My sister described her as ember island players Katara, but reversed, where she has no emotions.
@master_samwise
@master_samwise 2 ай бұрын
This is 100% accurate.
@kylejackson7913
@kylejackson7913 2 ай бұрын
Well that’s not accurate at all
@heartsDmise
@heartsDmise 2 ай бұрын
And you know whats worse? The actress actually has range, Ive seen her in Anne With An E and she is fantastic. Its the writing that is the problem
@ltsoul9751
@ltsoul9751 2 ай бұрын
That's what i said too!
@mmyr8ado.360
@mmyr8ado.360 2 ай бұрын
I wonder if the Ember Island episode would depict Craigslist Katara more like either the cartoon or M. Night Shyamalan version, if we even have that at all.
@Armagilord123
@Armagilord123 2 ай бұрын
You have to admit that Neflix did some great foreshadowing. They showed exactly how they would Butcher her charactor right from the beginning. In the original she saw a complete stranger in an iceberg and while Sokka told her to just leave him she rushed to help him without a second thought. Her charactor was established from that moment. She was a kind person who had a strong instinct to protect and help others. It was her attempt to free him that woke Aang up and started the entire plot. In the netflix adaptation she...happened to waterbend near the iceberg he was in without even knowing and it woke him up because plot. From the start she was just a waterbender and nothing more.
@SupaSweetKay
@SupaSweetKay 2 ай бұрын
I think a huge problem with why they couldn’t give Katara the character arc that she was supposed to have, is because her Sokka and Aang’s characters become so much less flawed. She is the mother of the group because Aang is normally unfocused and childish and Sokka is normally sexist and stubborn. She is the glue of the group when this happens, keeping them on track and in line in a very motherly way. That’s missing from here because now Aang is incredibly focused on the mission and barely playful at all and Sokka has a good head on his shoulders and doesn’t have much to learn at all. So her role becomes moot and therefore lifeless.
@SatoThe
@SatoThe 2 ай бұрын
The ironic part of the adaptation is that in the process of making Sokka not sexist, they make him appear like a better person/leader and simultaneously remove a huge pillar of how Katara shows her resilience as a character in the first season. The flaws of Sokka and strengths of Katara are removed in taking the initial sexism out, sucks to suck Netflix
@aomafura3374
@aomafura3374 2 ай бұрын
Yeah it makes sense that Katara is always challenging to gain a moral authority because at home, she is raising a brother with sometimes questionable morals that defies her own and her passions
@tarrker
@tarrker 2 ай бұрын
Proper character arcs require characters with flaws. They deleted all the flaws because, reasons, so now there's nothing for our characters to achieve except defeating an enemy. Which isn't that compelling now because they have nothing left to overcome in order to do that. So what we're left with is a generic action show that feels like a cartoon in live action and, how many of those do we have? -_-
@marocat4749
@marocat4749 2 ай бұрын
Its not even the sexism, him being insecure alone would have had her, show how motherly she is. sokka without sexism is fine, through it takes her banter pushing back away, him being the caretaker, takes her arc over.
@tarrker
@tarrker 2 ай бұрын
@@marocat4749 exactly! It would've been fine to replace the whole over coming sexism thing with something else. But... you kind of need the something else to make it work. x_x
@leaffinite3828
@leaffinite3828 2 ай бұрын
Its so strange to me that they basically made sokka already done as a character. Hes uninteresting now. I thought at least mild-Katara would get a training arc but... no. Just becomes a master seemingly undeservingly.
@gorgit
@gorgit 2 ай бұрын
People act all surprised, when in reality the entire premise was to redo an already perfect series with less runtime. There is an absolute 0% chance of it ever working out.
@l.t.4897
@l.t.4897 2 ай бұрын
What about one piece then?
@jacobwirtz1325
@jacobwirtz1325 2 ай бұрын
The saddest part is that runtimes are actually fairly similar. Removing times for intro/theme and credit scenes, the shows actually only differ by approximately 53 minutes (out of 423 minutes for the original's season 1). That would be the equivalent of adding one more episode for the live action or removing up to two episodes of the original and they could literally be shot-for-shot, if they really wanted to.
@gamingartbeasts
@gamingartbeasts 2 ай бұрын
​@l.t.4897 One Piece has over 1000 episodes. I would say that's a different situation.
@bluesyrupgc4224
@bluesyrupgc4224 2 ай бұрын
⁠@@l.t.4897I think the OP didn’t mention that along the cut, some characters’ personalities got stripped down too. Katara, Sokka, Iroh,… all lost the characters that make people love them from the original show. One Piece do cut down stuffs, but they keep the cores of the characters from the original show as much as possible (besides Zoro imo)
@ATLA99
@ATLA99 2 ай бұрын
The new show only had 30 minutes fewer than the original. Its almost impressive that they made it feel as rushed as they did with how much time they had.
@SalvagedCreativity
@SalvagedCreativity 2 ай бұрын
Katara is my favorite and I was so sad to watch her as a quiet mom. She had no attitude, no mood swings. A teenager in a war zone would never be as calm as they’ve made her.
@sistasistaourchannel9829
@sistasistaourchannel9829 Ай бұрын
They really made Aang the supporting character of his own show 😂🤦‍♀️A DISGRACEEEE
@EvilWeiRamirez
@EvilWeiRamirez 2 ай бұрын
The Netflix show feels like they made zuko and sokka the main characters with aang as a side character and katara as nothing
@kalesmart1
@kalesmart1 2 ай бұрын
I was soooo thinking that too
@Ray03595
@Ray03595 2 ай бұрын
I hate to critique young actors so harshly, but I kind of feel like the Aang and Katara actors being levels below Zuko and Sokka's is also kind of jarring. I notice when Sokka and Zuko are in a scene. When Aang or Katara read their lines they just fly by me. There's really no emotion or substance in what they're saying. I know they are all trying their best and I hope they get better if the series get renewed, but it's very noticeable even to me. And I'm someone who really cant pick out differences in acting talent usually.
@EvilWeiRamirez
@EvilWeiRamirez 2 ай бұрын
@@Ray03595 I think it's the direction, and the screen time. Zuko and Sokka get time to be in the scenes with other actors. I feel like Aang is always kinda alone, or doing action, and Katara is just there randomly. Even if she was a good actor, her lines just feel forced. They feel especially forced because I don't feel the emotions of what they're going through before they say anything.
@Kuhboose1
@Kuhboose1 2 ай бұрын
@@Ray03595Like evilweiramirez says, I think direction is to blame. Sokka and Zuko were given blatantly more thought out and just objectively good lines, they are clearly given more screen time, more to do, more motivation and character beats. Just more attention in general. It just seems an awful lot like whoever is behind this liked or identified with Sokka and Zuko and only focused on them, nerfing the other characters in the process. There's moments when you can see Aang and Katara's actors pulling stuff off, but its hard to make the constant monologues about hope and the character lore speeches come across as anything but what they are, which is bad writing. It felt like Sokka got SO much screen time, and SO much action, when there are three members of the gaang to utilize and characterize. He also very clearly was given every funny line the writers managed to come up with. I get he was comic relief in the OG show, but Aang and Katara had their own moments too, which are nowhere to be found in the live action.
@rossjones8656
@rossjones8656 2 ай бұрын
​@@Kuhboose1 indeed.
@slicerneons3300
@slicerneons3300 2 ай бұрын
Somehow they made her softer in a shallow way by taking away her passionate nature. Then they made her arrogant because of the Girlboss cliche.
@master_samwise
@master_samwise 2 ай бұрын
Right? Where is Katara's passion? Why doesn't she CARE about anything?
@StarskyHugh
@StarskyHugh 2 ай бұрын
@@master_samwise It feels like this version of Katara is sedated or in a dream state. And she never really fully wakes up. There is a little burst of character here or there, but ultimately, I think I would put it down to poor writing, directing and storyboarding for her character.
@isaidwhatisaid3564
@isaidwhatisaid3564 2 ай бұрын
@@master_samwiseI was SO mad that she planned to fight Master Paku rather than her passion making her impulsively stand her ground!!!!
@esch4920
@esch4920 2 ай бұрын
​@@master_samwiseyou should not do reviews. You mis to much. Also a bit of an idiot..
@marocat4749
@marocat4749 2 ай бұрын
Also like cartoon katara was bossy and intense at times, because of her compassion. Literally avoiding making her bossy just because, but it mwakes sense because she has to be the mom, dah she will a bit overbearing. Not arrogant for no reason. Do they want to giver her an arrogant but fall arc? like her original that its just impressive how she handles all that put togethe as she does, was.
@SkywalkerOne1977
@SkywalkerOne1977 2 ай бұрын
Cartoon show: "Katara is so much more than just a waterbender." Netflix: "Katara is nothing without her bending."
@Red_pine
@Red_pine 2 ай бұрын
I cringed so hard when kyoshi called tha avatar state "the ultimate weapon" Im surprised my eyes rolled back to their normal state
@asiaoharasbutterflies9425
@asiaoharasbutterflies9425 2 ай бұрын
Oh god. Why?
@agroed
@agroed 2 ай бұрын
"We have Katara at home."
@TheStraightestWhitest
@TheStraightestWhitest 2 ай бұрын
We evict her.
@ohood1788
@ohood1788 2 ай бұрын
Where was her anger? Her feminine rage??
@cye2310
@cye2310 2 ай бұрын
It's ironic that a realistic Katara feels more fictional than the animated one.
@berilsevvalbekret772
@berilsevvalbekret772 2 ай бұрын
​@@cye2310 animated one is the realistic one. Not...THIS.
@dechale
@dechale 2 ай бұрын
​@@berilsevvalbekret772 Isn't that what they're saying?
@janinebelleestrada7096
@janinebelleestrada7096 2 ай бұрын
Both? IM COMPLETELY CALM!!!!! I love that line 😂😂😂
@mariekano9730
@mariekano9730 2 ай бұрын
"I am a warrior....but I'm a girl too" - Suki
@ryansarafin12
@ryansarafin12 2 ай бұрын
I remember when they announced that they were going to "scale back Sokkas sexism" I said to my friend "God forbid we take the time to explain to kids that sexism is wrong" I didn't bother watching the show because I knew I would be comparing it to the original the whole time, and everything I've heard about it tells me I made the right choice (plus I don't like Netflix as a company and didn't want to give them money)
@natyinthehouse
@natyinthehouse 2 ай бұрын
For some reason, I was most upset that the show didn’t let Katara really get angry. Her temper was one of her defining features in my mind. She is just always sweet and calm so it’s like they took out half her personality. I thought for sure that even when I heard Sokka wasn’t gonna be sexist that he would still make her mad somehow to break the iceberg. I personally didn’t hate the show, but I hate what they did to katara.
@polin1710
@polin1710 2 ай бұрын
This is actually so funny because for years ppl hated her for being human and getting angry
@edogawaconan4869
@edogawaconan4869 2 ай бұрын
haha, ten years ago people HATED her for her bad temper lol
@bunnyleaningonasquishedbun5542
@bunnyleaningonasquishedbun5542 2 ай бұрын
​@@polin1710when was this? Throughout my time in the fandom, people mostly just poke fun at her because of her temper, never really 'hating' her. If anything, the fandom seems to adore her given her badass moments especially from book 2 and finally in book 3.
@halfbloodbelieber
@halfbloodbelieber 2 ай бұрын
@@polin1710 I was annoyed with cartoon katara because she kept getting angry a lot, but as a character that's what made her interesting. This katara is bland and uninteresting and can't express any emotion to save her life xD
@ilinanaumoska9803
@ilinanaumoska9803 2 ай бұрын
"We're going to tone down the sexism in the show" *Ruins every frmale character and makes them meaningless*
@Eilonwy95
@Eilonwy95 2 ай бұрын
It’s incredible how angry this show made me over how they handled Katara. She is such an amazing character originally. Women can and should be about more than power.
@starshipquail8398
@starshipquail8398 2 ай бұрын
I think the problem is Hollywood's definition of "power." They think of it as a physical verb, if that makes sense. "I beat 'em up" for example. It's hard for inexperienced writers to express the true beauty, pain, and, yes, power of the soul. *Hope* is a power; *Kindness* is a power. But with hope comes the pain and despair that knowing there's a chance this will never happen. The very real recognition that the fire in your soul may never have anything but your soul to fuel it. The people that can grab and *hold fast* to that fire , breathing life into it even as it burns them. Sheltering for others who have lost it. Sharing it with the ones who need it. THAT is power. One that can't be taken away. No wonder it's so hard to write.
@theatricalityanddeception
@theatricalityanddeception 2 ай бұрын
The original series understood that female characters could be strong and fierce while also being caring and feminine. Netflix clearly failed to grasp that concept.
@arenkai
@arenkai 2 ай бұрын
Men too should be about more than power. But it's a shame most Hollywood doesn't understand that and boils everything down to overpowered women, underpowered men. Instead of building a diverse tapestry of traits upon which this power struggle can stand and shine.
@uchihanoname1758
@uchihanoname1758 2 ай бұрын
I was literally shouting for Katara to show some emotion every time she was on screen.
@sebaschan-uwu
@sebaschan-uwu 2 ай бұрын
Yeah they literally just made katara bloodthirsty here
@Megatron-pg2kt
@Megatron-pg2kt 2 ай бұрын
why does EVERYONE think that EVERYTHING should be live action and movie remakes? I HATE IT!!!
@ktbecstasy
@ktbecstasy Ай бұрын
Because they are too lazy to write new material
@justinstewart9145
@justinstewart9145 20 күн бұрын
@Megatron, imagine getting this pressed over a show.
@RavenousCucumber
@RavenousCucumber 2 ай бұрын
They removed Sokka's sexism but made Katara the damsel in distress.
@master_samwise
@master_samwise 2 ай бұрын
“You just miss the original show!” Correct, I do in fact miss good writing and actual character development. “Her arc isn’t done yet; this is only the first season!” Correct, hence why I talked about the character traits and growth Katara experiences in Book One. “This is just content for content’s sake. This is click bait!” Oh no, a KZbinr made a video on a topical subject because he knew it would get views. The horror.
@LiveFreeOrDie2A
@LiveFreeOrDie2A 2 ай бұрын
I can only imagine how much they’re going to butcher and bastardize TOPH’S character.. you know they’re going to take her cocky and brash Tomboy personality and dial it up OVER 9000, and strip her of all femininity, wit, and charm
@Brrocklon
@Brrocklon 2 ай бұрын
Frequently asked questions or frequently thrown tantrums?
@Harmonia96
@Harmonia96 2 ай бұрын
Lessons to be learned: 1) You don't have to be a chef to know when the food is crap. 2) Once you've had gourmet, you can't go back.
@Yupyupyup32
@Yupyupyup32 2 ай бұрын
bro katara is really feminine in this show. so if it goes the same toph will be more feminine@@LiveFreeOrDie2A
@dryfox11
@dryfox11 2 ай бұрын
@@Harmonia96More specifically for number two: Don’t make a gourmet dish like trash, and expect 100% lovely feedback.
@poke4114
@poke4114 2 ай бұрын
The original ATLA has 2 main female leads, each represented an opposite version of femininity. Netflix already failed the softer, kinder, and more feminine dominant female lead (Katara). I don’t want to imagine what will happen when they get a hand on Toph, the masculine female lead. In the age of girl boss girl power, it’s really unfortunate to see characters fail to represent things they stand for.
@malrofo
@malrofo 2 ай бұрын
Netflix will probaby just go with the fire nation play version
@PSNanonimousplayer
@PSNanonimousplayer 2 ай бұрын
There's also Azula, embodying the dark side of femininity. Doubt they'll do her justice
@dickensdickala6601
@dickensdickala6601 2 ай бұрын
​@@PSNanonimousplayerthey already failed, azula wasn't the kind to get angry all the time it's what made her scary, she was cool, precise and straight to the point. she's supposed to be a prodigy. they've made her get angry easily
@PSNanonimousplayer
@PSNanonimousplayer 2 ай бұрын
​@@dickensdickala6601 yeah... I didn't and am not going to watch that shit lmao
@mollyeverglade3655
@mollyeverglade3655 2 ай бұрын
@@PSNanonimousplayer In my opinion, they've already failed Azula. I don't think making her obviously as much a victim of Ozai's manipulation as Zuko right from the start was the right move for her character. And even though she says she's "the best" she comes off as really insecure and needy and desperate for daddy's love. I'm not saying that they are not aspects of Azula's character, because in some ways they are, but painting her as a victim right from the start removes any sense of her having her own agency and being the true villain that she is. I'm surprised we haven't gotten a sympathetic back story for Ozai at this point. I'm seriously scared of how they are going to handle Toph.
@localtavernsluteplayer2182
@localtavernsluteplayer2182 2 ай бұрын
Too many movies think that women can only be worthy if they adopt purely masculine traits, which I believe is sexism with extra steps
@skylark7921
@skylark7921 Ай бұрын
Also, Katara being good at bending naturally - without the need for formal training, just natural talent and a bit of confidence - ironically makes her seem weaker. One of her greatest strengths in the animated is her diligence, her patience. As soon as she has formal instruction, she surpasses Aang, who is naturally skilled, through her own hard work. In the live action, she’s a natural talent from the start. Her ability isn’t won through her own merit. Her patience and diligence are gone. In trying to make her more of a powerful “girlboss”, they removed her greatest strengths and overall made her less impressive
@furederikku7
@furederikku7 2 ай бұрын
what I think it happened with this messy live action: • Netflix gets og creators and decent showrunners • Netflix betrays og creators • OG creators leave without finishing arcs and leaving plot unfinished • Showrunners left helpless because they don't understand this characters and needs a desperate solution Netflix: *pulls Hollywood's modern rules to filled the voids*
@HalbdaemonKite
@HalbdaemonKite 2 ай бұрын
The very first announcement years ago, was nothing but virtue signalling bs. There was never any chance of it being anything but "Hollywood's modern rules".
@gwen5715
@gwen5715 2 ай бұрын
They understand the characters. But they want to fix them
@gwen5715
@gwen5715 2 ай бұрын
The show's creators left because Netflix prefers *progressive writing.* Do you know what Progressive Writing is?
@able_archer01
@able_archer01 2 ай бұрын
@@gwen5715 If this is what Progressive Writing gives us, I want something else...like, I dunno, Good Writing?
@LegalizeTax
@LegalizeTax 2 ай бұрын
​@@gwen5715 bad writing?
@beskamir5977
@beskamir5977 2 ай бұрын
The complete lack of Aang doing any waterbending during the entire season titled "water" ruined Katara's character arc with regards to waterbending since it removed the all jealousy, teaching, encouragement, learning, etc that she had in the animation.
@mythtaken6610
@mythtaken6610 2 ай бұрын
They also got rid of another crucial element of Katara's character - her anger. Her anger propels the whole plot of the show and acts as the inciting incident. She gets angry at Sokka for being sexist, and breaks Aang out of the iceberg. She is angry over her mother's death at the hands of the fire nation, she's angry at being underestimated by others (especially Pakku), she's angry at being left alone by her father and having to mature so fast, and she's angry at having so much taken from her in regards to not having a teacher to help her develop her bending and through that a deeper relationship with a big part of her culture. She is sassy, and combative, and impatient, and gets jealous - she has flaws that both fuel and hinder her. She's a person. She steals a scroll, she breaks Aang out of the Avatar state, she inspires downtrodden people to rise up - her story develops alongside Aang's. She has agency - she wants to find a master, and Aang needs one, too, so they decide to go to the Northern Water Tribe. She isn't just tugged in that direction by a convenient vision. They made her a side character in her own show, rather than a protagonist who helps shape the narrative, and I do not know how the writers failed the assignment so badly. This, along with all of the other character issues (Sokka, Aang, Zuko, Suki, Azula, Yue, etc.) make this show unwatchable to me.
@maggieegan8419
@maggieegan8419 2 ай бұрын
I think removing love from her character is a bummer too. Her love for aang, her love through friendship for sokka and tof. Her ability to remain soft hearted even though so much has been taken from her is an incredible STRENGTH and is drawn on throughout the original show. I think removing love is another step in girlbossification and it’s a bummer. It’s a bummer to see that adding love to male characters is what helps us see them as strong but somehow the opposite is true of Hollywood women.
@TheSpiderInUrWalls
@TheSpiderInUrWalls 2 ай бұрын
I don’t get why some people can’t understand that girls can be badass but still have a soft feminine side as well.
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 2 ай бұрын
I mean Katara is the heart of the entire show because of her never ending compassion for people. The line "I will never turn my back on people who need me" can be applied to her entire character. Because Katara will always choose to help people and give them hope over self preservation every damn time. Her pulling Aang out of the Avatar state in the desert speaks to how big her heart is. The compassion and love at Katara's center is the key to her character.
@mridstaid414
@mridstaid414 2 ай бұрын
"Bu-but she is a strong, female character" yeah Netflix ruins everything. There's goes one of the best written female characters in modern fiction.Way to go Netflix!! What's next ? A sympathetic and kind Azula.
@godofnothing428
@godofnothing428 2 ай бұрын
⁠@@mridstaid414the original katara was a strong female character who embodied feminism. This one is the opposite
@mridstaid414
@mridstaid414 2 ай бұрын
@@godofnothing428 I said the same thing...
@danielmejorado6098
@danielmejorado6098 2 ай бұрын
If Netflix katarra can become a master bender with just the one water bending scroll, they should just pass that scroll around to all the other water benders.
@huntressmma1822
@huntressmma1822 2 ай бұрын
Or why did she need to leave her home to go North to learn from a master?
@paulbrown9328
@paulbrown9328 2 ай бұрын
That’s not the case katara is a prodigy just like everyone else on team avatar. She just needed more techniques and learned more style. When she had someone to show her technique she became a master super fast. The og and the adaptation are pretty similar in that regard.
@cutecats532
@cutecats532 2 ай бұрын
She learned because when Aang tried to tell her the key to bending she listened instead of snapping at him for being a better bender. Aang is a master of one element, but he was "naturally gifted" in the og show for water bending too. He taught Katara in the live action.
@SquidFiction
@SquidFiction 2 ай бұрын
I said this on another video, and I’ll say it here- I don’t see this Katara delivering the same kind of performance that was done so well in the Southern Raiders episode in the cartoon. Years of carrying grief, rage, and sadness since the death of her mother, pressure to be strong for her tribe and having big shoes to fill all comes to a head when Zuko says he can help Katara find who killed her mother. She HATES Yon Rha and she never forgave him, she stopped at nothing to track him down, even using blood bending on the guy she thought was him, the look on Zuko’s face was like “ohh shit, glad I’m on the right side now”. I still get chills and hold my breath every time she stops the rain in mid air, turns it to ice and hurls it at Yon Rha. I always wondered what that scene would look like in live action (I imagined like House Of Flying Daggers level of cinematic beauty). I don’t believe that it’s gonna leave the same impact in this version, what a shame.
@master_samwise
@master_samwise 2 ай бұрын
Yeah that's another problem with this show (which I don't want to harp on because these poor kids are trying their best): the acting just isn't that good. Zuko's actor is quite solid, and Sokka is played by an adult, but Katara and Aang... oof. Not only is her character arc flattened down to a mere bump, but the actress just doesn't have the chops to elevate the script one bit. Also, while we're on the subject, Zhao's actor absolutely murdered his character. I might make one video just about how badly they ruined Zhao, who isn't even all that important.
@Sly-Moose
@Sly-Moose 2 ай бұрын
Watch them completely remove that episode altogether cuz "Oh noo. Blood ending baaad, and we cAn'T hAvE hEr HaVe FlAwS!*
@Sly-Moose
@Sly-Moose 2 ай бұрын
Watch them completely remove that episode altogether cuz "Oh noo. Blood ending baaad, and we cAn'T hAvE hEr HaVe FlAwS!*
@Sly-Moose
@Sly-Moose 2 ай бұрын
​@@master_samwiseThe actress in her other words does actually have good range in emotions. It's the directors that failed her
@rachelelliott246
@rachelelliott246 2 ай бұрын
​@@master_samwise @SquidFiction Please watch Katara's actress, Kiawentiio Tarbell, in the movie "Beans." she is literally more like Katara in "Beans" than in the Netflix live-action adaptation. She absolutely pulls off "Southern Raiders" level of emotional intensity and character growth in "Beans." The difference is that Beans was written by Tracey Deer who knows how to write and direct.
@matteroffactmia8305
@matteroffactmia8305 2 ай бұрын
I see why the original creators pulled out the series. They really didn’t do their work justice.
@Eternal_Placidity
@Eternal_Placidity 2 ай бұрын
No avatar adaptation will ever come close to the OG Katara. She wasn’t that powerful in the beginning, and had to work hard to reach her full potential. She has a fiery spirit, bravery, and determination, but she’s also kind, compassionate, and motherly. And last of all she has moments of loss, weakness, and grief. Katara is more than just a perfect female character, she’s a profoundly human character.
@Thawheedi
@Thawheedi 2 ай бұрын
Can we all agree that this show should NEVER BE PUT INTO LIVE ACTION AGAIN PLEASE
@FathDaniel
@FathDaniel 2 ай бұрын
Or make a sequel. Korra was meh to dogshit.
@hassansulaiman3848
@hassansulaiman3848 2 ай бұрын
@@FathDaniel how was Korra bad
@jppf91
@jppf91 2 ай бұрын
Unless it's a carbon copy of it no one will want it.
@FathDaniel
@FathDaniel 2 ай бұрын
​@@hassansulaiman3848most unsatisfactory villain resolution, giant glowing Kaiju fight, Anarcho-Redditor and Mecha Kaiju fight.
@angelicambyence
@angelicambyence 2 ай бұрын
@@hassansulaiman3848 A case of a super powered hero from BIRTH so no room for her power to grow besides airbending (all Avatars studied to learn the elements, even the ones BEFORE Aang and which was completed in their ADULTHOOD, Aang had to rush it cause of the war. Why did Korra have to not do that? Why remove that element?), and then somehow inexplicably is still a damsel in distress first season with someone with less power and ability to rescue her. They also made her fall in love and made that her main goal in the story from the start even though the Avatar is ya know, supposed to save the world, not be a selfish teenager wanting the hot fire bender guy to look at her. I mean, they could have still done that, but done it gradually like they did in the first series. I REALLY wanted to like The Legend of Korra, but Korra herself was absolute dogshit. They took everything we loved in the first one away, twisted and distorted the things we loved that still remained - Loved carefree happy Aaang? yeah, he grows up to be a grumpy sourpuss who neglects his kids. And then of course the retcons... Its like, WHY make these changes? Why do you think this is good? This. This is why there isnt a third Avatar series. The writing SUCKED. Oddly enough, for me, The Last Airbender...was literally the LAST Avatar show period. The rest is just poorly done fanfiction.
@Dupletor
@Dupletor 2 ай бұрын
"Almost every character in the adaptation acts like they are doing a half-hearted job at trying to keep Ko from stealing their face." Congratulations single-handedly burning every character on the face harder than Zuko.
@catdownthestreet
@catdownthestreet Ай бұрын
Gasp. Not the burn mention
@lucylu184
@lucylu184 2 ай бұрын
The one good thing that came from this live action is people appreciating Katara's character.
@goldenrabbitkh
@goldenrabbitkh 2 ай бұрын
A quote I heard somewhere “the more you want to make a strong female character the less strong et gets” I find that there is truth in that. Bc for all characters all genders all types. If they don’t struggle we won’t relate to em. If the character struggles we will relate to there wins and feel for there depth. Great video
@Burnlit1337
@Burnlit1337 2 ай бұрын
Two more women that they ruined is Suki and Yue, where Suki is the trapped lovesick girl who falls in with a foreign boy, and made Yue who takes control of her destiny in a girlboss way. I hope you make an analysis of these two. Especially with Suki because the original was able destorying Sokka's sexism and turned into a better man and warrior.
@marocat4749
@marocat4749 2 ай бұрын
Also i think suki really respected his readiness to humble himself, not him being hot, only.
@younghades2503
@younghades2503 2 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠​⁠@@marocat4749yeah but at least in the cartoon he came off as a funny but quirky teenager that NEEDED some character development for their relationship to happen but in the live action it’s like OP said she’s just strung on by the “foreign boy” bc she thinks he’s cute had nothing to do with his character at all it’s like all the characters in the live action have it all figured out out before part one was over
@catdad626
@catdad626 2 ай бұрын
In the original there was no chemistry between the two characters until after they trained together and Sokka had shown humility and willingness to learn. When he parried her attack, it affirmed her teaching, and sokka right after pays with his hubris and they go for round two with some flirting. I can't imagine how they bastardized the plot on kyoshi island. Without 1) sokka learning the hard way that prejudice doesnt pay off, and 2) Suki showing that strength and femininity are not mutually exclusive, very little else happens for the characters. I guess there's Aang having fame go to his head, and Katara gets annoyed, but this vidoc establishes that discount Katara has no negative emotions or flaws. Truly a bummer they made an adaptation i am actively avoiding. You would think the producers directors and writers would have learned from the failed atla movie...
@NeytiriPhoenix
@NeytiriPhoenix 2 ай бұрын
I literally got so mad at the Suki character changes! When she puts Sokka in a headlock and Sokka acts all weirded out and off put by her I was literally yelling "You made Suki the weird one! Suki! Suki?!" What the actual hell! She was such a confident badass but she was also sweet and capable of being understanding! They also did her so dirty!
@lucaquinn2623
@lucaquinn2623 2 ай бұрын
What annoyed me as well was her line to Sokka "Thank you for showing me the world." That is SO insensitive! Her village just got attacked, people are hurt, houses burnt down. And she says THAT. It makes sense for her not to hold Zuko's attack against him but that. It still buffles me.
@Thawheedi
@Thawheedi 2 ай бұрын
Also I have to appreciate you for saying multiple budget synonyms for Netflix water girl
@Emarella
@Emarella 2 ай бұрын
I was coming to the comments to say the same thing. The whole video was great but the fact Master Samwise was creative enough to come up with a different way to say it almost every time blew my mind. Mad respect!
@louisem3969
@louisem3969 2 ай бұрын
«Wish Katara »
@SpagettiSpeltWrong
@SpagettiSpeltWrong 2 ай бұрын
Why would Katara's mother be "The Fighter" and not her father Hakota. Who led the entire of the Southern Water Tribe's army into war. Who's literally a soldier. Kataras mother was brave and a protector. She was not a warrior.
@monster-enthusiast
@monster-enthusiast 2 ай бұрын
Crazy how they made her exactly what they said they were trying to avoid.
@Yupyupyup32
@Yupyupyup32 2 ай бұрын
she is great
@llewelynshingler2173
@llewelynshingler2173 Ай бұрын
​@@Yupyupyup32 Please, tell us what you can possibly see in Netflix Katara.
@Yupyupyup32
@Yupyupyup32 Ай бұрын
@@llewelynshingler2173 she isn’t a constantly angry pedophile
@hylianflower9681
@hylianflower9681 2 ай бұрын
I loved when Katara was trying to teach Aang what she knew about waterbending, and he caught on and even surpassed her within moments of trying. It showed a true side a lot of people have; trying to show someone you are proud of something only to realize they were actually better than you the whole time naturally. I liked that she got upset, and angry, but eventually came together in her thoughts, and apologized, and was mature when she needed to be. She was also snarky and so well written... I believe many girls i went to school with were inspired by her, and her strong will. Her hopefulness was sweet. I loved her in the animated version
@TheDaniela3112
@TheDaniela3112 2 ай бұрын
I think seeing and be naturally gifted at something that he doesn't particularly care about, while waterbending means so much to her and she couldn't get it right, was the main drive she had to keep training as hard as she could with pakku. Aang showed her she had a long way to go, and she worked as hard as she could.
@rflowers360
@rflowers360 2 ай бұрын
@@TheDaniela3112now she’s like one of the greatest waterbenders
@jonieljoestarzawarudo8172
@jonieljoestarzawarudo8172 2 ай бұрын
The moment when budget Katara told Pakku to let what is esentially the equivalent of armed civilians into the front lines of an active war zone, was the moment where I almost stopped watching the show. It seriously pissed me off that much.
@master_samwise
@master_samwise 2 ай бұрын
I can't believe I came up with "ersatz Katara" before "budget Katara".
@luvamiart8567
@luvamiart8567 2 ай бұрын
It would be more accurate to say budget Katara wanted to let armed medics into the front lines. They are healers, they are supossed to be in the back treating the injured. Sure they can become warriors in the next war when they are given the proper training, but in this case their healing job is equally important to the fighting job and a very much needed power. If healers are massacred the village is screwed.
@johnoliverfainsan3115
@johnoliverfainsan3115 2 ай бұрын
​@@luvamiart8567 that's the writer's mo, ignore logic and history to serve a very loud minority.
@johnoliverfainsan3115
@johnoliverfainsan3115 2 ай бұрын
Some of the writers*
@heatherL4834
@heatherL4834 2 ай бұрын
​@@master_samwiseBuck 99 Katara was gold, though.
@mlindquist8942
@mlindquist8942 2 ай бұрын
so she was....... watered down......
@llewelynshingler2173
@llewelynshingler2173 Ай бұрын
Booo! Booooooooooo!
@WHALEx3
@WHALEx3 2 ай бұрын
Losing it over the all the little “clearance aisle” and knock off” Katara jabs.
@juliaesa1
@juliaesa1 2 ай бұрын
They took Sokka sexism out of him to put in the show. They didn't need Sokka, because they have the writers to take all characters developments from the women of the show. It was on purpose.
@master_samwise
@master_samwise 2 ай бұрын
They didn't just take out his sexism - they removed his ego and cockiness, or at least severely tamped them down, making his character growth way less in every way.
@SirCrusher
@SirCrusher 2 ай бұрын
They also took out his emasculation (being forced to crossdress)
@alessandrolamera8857
@alessandrolamera8857 2 ай бұрын
They demolished suki
@AskeladdCalvo
@AskeladdCalvo 2 ай бұрын
There's no character development in the show... They just got all shallow.
@suezcontours6653
@suezcontours6653 2 ай бұрын
​@@master_samwiseCan Western males shut up about femininity. You know nothing about it
@NatashaCraig92
@NatashaCraig92 2 ай бұрын
I feel like Hollywood is afraid to make their heroines actual girls. Like they're afraid of showing the flaws that sometimes come with sterotypical femininity (i.e. emotions or crushing on a flawed guy like Jet). They seem to think this undermines girl power, when, in fact, it really helps showcase character growth and development when they overcome their flaws. They learn to embrace the potential and strength these characteristics can offer them while no longer being overcome by the negatives. This is what makes characters relatable and human. No one can relate to Ms. Perfect Girl Boss. I really like the point you made about whittling down our heroines to just weapons that the story uses. They are "badass" and... that's it. I can't relate to a weapon! Their unwillingness to shows flaws in female characters is starting to remind me a little of toxic masculinity. No weaknesses or humanizing for our heroines, only kicking ass and having girl boss moments, which are spoon fed to us through dialogue rather than being shown to us. Just my thoughts. Great video!
@LaTristologa
@LaTristologa 2 ай бұрын
Exactly this. I feel that these characters are just an empty shell with the label "woman" on top of it... And it sucks. Like, what are you trying to tell with these characters? What's the point? I want to see actual women who have to deal with the actual weight of being a woman. Katara in the live action is just a fighter who defeats a caricature version of the patriarchy or something, but we never actually see her exploring her womanhood. In the series, Katara's womanhood is defined by her relationship with her mother (and her brother too), and it's fleshed out as she grows and matures and actually defines her own identity as a woman, and she fights for it. Toph does the same thing, and even when she rejects stereotypcal gender norms, we still see her trying to explore her femininity and the insecurities that originate because of these gender norms, and even if she knows who she is and even she knows she shouldn't care what others expect from her, it still hurts, and it still feels nice when Katara says she looks pretty. Those are the sort of things that really speak to me as a woman.
@janderson947
@janderson947 2 ай бұрын
They better not water down TOPH suki was PERFECT though she was femine yet strong yue needed a new wig Ang was okay sokka perfect zuko perfect katara didn’t even get mad a boy jet she use to have more of a temper and passion I just couldn’t get use to her acting and katara had to work on her bending a lot more pack didn’t respect her until she fought him and he agreed to train her she didn’t just automatically get it right..
@andreburton6552
@andreburton6552 2 ай бұрын
You had me then you lost me lol, why whenever most woman see a problem they start blaming men. That’s really not fair, everything else you said was cool though. And there’s nothing wrong with there being a awesome female character that can kick butt, the world just has a weird and extremely annoying way of rubbing woman empowerment in our faces every chance they get. I just want to see a good show. The animated series was perfect. I can already see the modern agendas they’re trying to put in the show which is going to ruin it all together.
@vanetiawellington1302
@vanetiawellington1302 2 ай бұрын
You said it all! Amen!
@andreburton6552
@andreburton6552 2 ай бұрын
And no….. Hollywood has proven they are no where near scared to do that. Sometimes it gets boring because it’s basic. And the majority of the time no one cares lol, we love heroes like Wonder Woman and black widow. Now y’all got she hulk, captain marvel and so many other female heroes that seem more like feminists used to degrade men. Modern generation writers are losing their creativity trying to cater to people’s feelings.
@Sugarlly
@Sugarlly 2 ай бұрын
AGREE 100%, original Katara is a true iconic badass :) Also I don't get it why they always butcher her and Aang's relationship.. even in the first netflix adaptation.. Maybe because Aang looks so young? But in reality he is only 2 years younger than her.. it's a major part of the story.
@YukiLeiu
@YukiLeiu 2 ай бұрын
“We’re getting rid of sokkas misogyny, we don’t need that in this day in age” not only saying that in post Andrew Tate era and the aftershock of his impact on young boys, but taking away all of kataras feminism and the parts of her personality that made her seem like a regular girl you know at the same time. They said we won’t be woke but we won’t do the other stuff either
@MrErik052005
@MrErik052005 2 ай бұрын
When Katara yelled to Aang she needed him and they were family now, i didn’t see how. Like, the audience never got to see them get close. There was no drama that got resolved by them. It felt very odd to say and unearned.
@BlackMercura
@BlackMercura 2 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly. These lines were delivered in the last episode when their relationship development was supposed to peak. But somehow they ended up being much less convincing than when similar lines were delivered in only episode 3 of the original.
@raccoonchild
@raccoonchild 2 ай бұрын
That's some Kimetsu no Yaiba tier writing lmfao
@Quoxz
@Quoxz 2 ай бұрын
I liked how it fell even flatter because they completely cut out any of the romantic feelings Katara and Aang were building up over the course of one season's worth of journeying together in the cartoon. In the cartoon it was her saying "Yo, I understand what you're going through. We're here for you." at the start of their friendship. In the live-action series it was her saying "We've done a lot of off-screen interactions I guess. You didn't even help me learn waterbending in this adaptation. Whoops."
@vanetiawellington1302
@vanetiawellington1302 2 ай бұрын
Same! I literally had the same reaction when she said that.
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 2 ай бұрын
1000% correct. Katara in the original says that even though the air benders are gone, she and Sokka are Aang's family now. This is a sentiment that is backed up by everything they go through over the course of the season. They become a ride or die family. They go through good times, hard times, they fight, they yell at each other, but at the end of the day, they will always come back together to support each other no matter what. That is a family and by the end of season 1, their bond is solid and by the end of the series, it's a bond forged in fire. In this first season of the live action? Nope. They're coworkers.
@cl20v87
@cl20v87 2 ай бұрын
Zuko: you found a master didn’t you? Katara: ya! You’re looking at her! Me: 🤢
@jakeryan2805
@jakeryan2805 2 ай бұрын
Terrible line for a terrible scene. The fact they completely axed Aang leaving his body to find the spirits, and Katara protecting him ruined the finale. I have no idea why they switched that up, and had them meet Koh earlier beyond stupid.
@rockinpc4447
@rockinpc4447 2 ай бұрын
When I heard that line, I died inside : )
@clayongunzelle9555
@clayongunzelle9555 2 ай бұрын
In the original she still had to train with paku after the fight before she was called a master...
@micaann7974
@micaann7974 2 ай бұрын
Mary Sued
@dire213
@dire213 2 ай бұрын
@@clayongunzelle9555 she was only called a master at the start of book 2, where it is implied that some time has already passed with their training
@Medbrat99
@Medbrat99 2 ай бұрын
The only change that really seems appropriate and reasonable to me is that they removed this part with Paku's medallion. On the one hand, yes, it helps Paku to some extent realize the fallacy of the system of views and traditions in which he lives. On the other hand, it seems that the change of his views happens in the end only due to a coincidence that this particular girl happened to be the granddaughter of his lost bride. And if it hadn't been for this accidental combination of circumstances, everything would have remained the same - Katara would never have had the opportunity to study with him and the ban on the study of bending by women would not have been lifted
@Catstronautgirl
@Catstronautgirl 2 ай бұрын
4:04 You're wrong. Femininity doesn't have a "standard". Azula is feminine, Toph is feminine, Katara is feminine. The netflix character isn't a failure of femininity, she's a failure of *Katara's* femininity. BIG difference.
@LegalizeTax
@LegalizeTax 2 ай бұрын
You didn't see the original video did you
@Catstronautgirl
@Catstronautgirl 2 ай бұрын
I did. Which is why I'm not saying anything about the other contents besides him saying that Katara "failed femininity". @@LegalizeTax
@curtiszyr
@curtiszyr 2 ай бұрын
Toph is as Tom boy as they come. Azula ? Azula can’t even brush her own hair lmao . Ty Lee and Katara are feminine
@evilskeleton1
@evilskeleton1 2 ай бұрын
​@@curtiszyr femininity doesn't have one definition
@simmybackup5000
@simmybackup5000 2 ай бұрын
@@curtiszyr azula is feminine, are you dumb. not being able to do her own hair is literally her being a spoilt royal.
@NARUTOS.CLANSS
@NARUTOS.CLANSS 2 ай бұрын
The Pakku fight was such a letdown for me because it lacked the rage, emotion and buildup it had in the original show. The fight in the live action just seemed like it was only there because the plot demanded it to be, not to mention her attitude towards him is so passive and meek compared to the rage and aggression she showed in the original.
@leonardomeloni69
@leonardomeloni69 2 ай бұрын
Well, the girl wasnt even the best at acting in this series. Someone has to say it. Best actors: June, Theo and Jet. Ozai and Aang somewhat. Side characters being the best ones speaks volumes.
@master_samwise
@master_samwise 2 ай бұрын
This is so true. I rewatched the original fight when editing this video and MAN is it so much better. That's also probably due to the constraints of live action though.
@dejuanhickman3175
@dejuanhickman3175 2 ай бұрын
At this point you guys should just watch the cartoon. I'm enjoying the live action
@dusky5535
@dusky5535 2 ай бұрын
I mean we aren't saying you can't enjoy bad tv shows like the live action. I enjoy some bad movies. You do you.@@dejuanhickman3175
@derricktalbot8846
@derricktalbot8846 2 ай бұрын
@@dejuanhickman3175 same. This is pretty much everything I wanted in the live action..... a slim version of a story I know well. I don't need my hand held to understand that having the Avatar next to you day in day out... to understand that she is learning how to Think about bending. It annoys me that folks want a shot for shot remake. I am thankful Netflix is getting this done... and can only hope they are ignoring all of the "this isnt mine" out there
@siloPIRATE
@siloPIRATE 2 ай бұрын
Why don’t we just throw the Netflix show away since the original is so naturally gifted!?
@huntressmma1822
@huntressmma1822 2 ай бұрын
Geez Katara, you should apologize to Momo and Aang!
@jackalexande
@jackalexande 2 ай бұрын
Hopefully One Piece season 2 won't be as bad as this
@mundoatena1674
@mundoatena1674 Ай бұрын
They can take away the romance of Aang and Katara just fine, the story isn't built on their romantic relationship, so it wouldn't change that much, but they can't just take away their friendship, since the relationship of the whole group with each other is one of the primary forces that drive the original show. They're so shallow here it physically hurts
@CatherineGrace24
@CatherineGrace24 2 ай бұрын
Katara is one of the best written female characters to date and this live adaption ruined her. It’s very disappointing but at least we have the original.
@filsdelleche6592
@filsdelleche6592 2 ай бұрын
I wonder what they're gonna do with Toph? (not really, because I can probably guess but lets pretend that these people sit and think about their decisions at some point.) In the show, she was introduced as the self-sufficient type who held her own and didn't need anyone else before developing her beyond that. If they do that now, it'll have no unique quality because of their version of Katara. And now Katara can't properly challenge Toph's selfishness the way she did in the original show without being a hypocrite.
@vickytubbie997
@vickytubbie997 2 ай бұрын
They might have to soften Toph... And make her weaker. No more funny Toph because offensive. Also the warrior is Katara so Toph might be the feminine one this time....idk I already hate the idea. They are writing themselves into a corner. Specially with azula showing mental weakness so fast....I don't like it... there's no mistery to her. The best development in the show was knowing that at the very end Azula also deserved compassion like Zuko...but theres no surprise now...
@markfoshee4768
@markfoshee4768 2 ай бұрын
​@@vickytubbie997I doubt they're going to soften toph, most likely they'll just take away her humor and give her captain marvel's personality. This has been the theme for, pretty much, every female lead in recent years. If they're "good" guys they are given captain marvel's personality, and if they're bad then you get what they did with azula; it's never there fault, there's a reason they are like that, it's a man's fault, you should feel sorry for her, blah blah blah 😒😒😒
@pookaoi211
@pookaoi211 2 ай бұрын
@@markfoshee4768 I haven't seen the live action so I don't know how they handled Azula, but in the original I think they did a great job as portraying her as a true villain while also making it clear that she was also a victim of the war under Ozai's influence. They really show how much of a terrible person she is while also expressing that(once she's defeated and removed from a place where she can hurt people) that she isn't one-dimensionally bad and there could be room for growth and redemption the same way Zuko had.
@akram379
@akram379 2 ай бұрын
@@vickytubbie997 well, if some dickhead on social media gets offencded by Toph's blind jokes, they should re-evaluate the way their parents raised them.
@vickytubbie997
@vickytubbie997 2 ай бұрын
@@pookaoi211 the comics continue her story, Azula is unredeemable. But it is as much Ursa’s fault as it was Ozai’s . I would dare to say that Azula’s obsesión with perfectionism and Ozais approval comes from Ursas blatant favoritism towards Zuko. Both parents truly failed them, unfortunately each parent cherry picked a child to love and a child to neglect. But the live action wants to blame it all on Ozai, and in Azulas case my girl more than anything has mommy issues
@BlackMercura
@BlackMercura 2 ай бұрын
14:18 "Katara does a LOT of important, noteworthy, impactful stuff without having to waterbend one drop". You said it. Amidst all of the indeed powerful waterbending she does, her selflessness and patience such as in "The Desert" are a MUCH more virtuous and powerful.
@robertmoya8449
@robertmoya8449 2 ай бұрын
Exactly why is everyone like omg why isn’t she angry all the time like in the original show because that’s fucking annoying my god this hole video is just saying because she’s not angry all the time she’s not her but in the live action and cartoon I just can’t stand her annoying ass she reminds me to much of kora and my god is kora a bad representation of how an avatar is and how a female lead should be
@0rinthian
@0rinthian Ай бұрын
Aang never waterbending with katara is insane
@AdamKayaan
@AdamKayaan Ай бұрын
Right? The whole time I was watching this I was like “this kid is supposed to save the world?”
@mxrcrow8893
@mxrcrow8893 Ай бұрын
21:09 "I could've never gotten to where I am without master Paku. Everyone needs a teacher" - Katara, Book 3 Episode 4 Damn the og avatar is so good they foreshadowed how bad the adaptation would be ❤️
@littlebigmarc
@littlebigmarc 2 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed the show but holy shit. The people who made the show just don't know how to write anything subtle at all. The show is full of tell, not show. I was surprised how quick she was able to be a "master" though the animated had the same problem but she did struggle a lot more and also failed a lot more too. She was very short tempered and can easily be triggered. Netflix one seems to be just perfect and a "natural" I'm afraid what they gonna do to toph next season.
@QuatarTarandir
@QuatarTarandir 2 ай бұрын
Oh gosh, I dread that. I loved Toph in the original, so this is probably gonna suck
@master_samwise
@master_samwise 2 ай бұрын
I mean, Katara in the original tells Aang how it took her TWO MONTHS to master one simple waterbending technique, showing us just how difficult learning on your own is. And yet here, she takes one look at the scroll at is able to nail almost everything on the first try. It's silly.
@QuatarTarandir
@QuatarTarandir 2 ай бұрын
@@master_samwise Yeah, at least in the original they showed her struggling with it. I mean we had the whole thing of Aang getting it easily since he's the Avatar, and her getting really mad about that. But of course, we have to take that out
@mariekeho
@mariekeho 2 ай бұрын
@@master_samwise Exactly. Also, I'm not sure how much time passed in the northern water tribe in the original, but wasn't it implied that Katara trained for weeks with Master Pakku? Still not a super long time, but definitely more than the nonexistent training she did with Pakku in the netflix version.
@littlehamham3281
@littlehamham3281 2 ай бұрын
i will say that while kataras bending gets better after the first book she still improves and her bending style changes drastically throughout the series infact all of the main cast have very obvious bending style changes with zuko being the most obvious, using movements from every bending style numerous times, all of which are shown in azulas agni kai
@huehue5286
@huehue5286 2 ай бұрын
Am I the only one that is mad how clean and cosplayish this show looks like? I mean, c'mon, everything looks so plastic, it wants me to believe people use that clothing every day and it looks brand new, even Sokka who was a baffoon now looks like someone from high school musical.
@Brookings715
@Brookings715 2 ай бұрын
I saw someone mention this in another video. No matter its issues, I will defend the Harry Potter movies for throwing dirt on the actors and giving them cuts and the like. It made it feel real.
@ashthepotato3172
@ashthepotato3172 2 ай бұрын
@@Brookings715Oh my agree. Completely agree. It feels so much more lifelike when Ron or Harry actually had cuts, bruises or dirt on their clothing and faces (as well as sweat) after a duel. They're not gonna look clean and pretty 24/7 when they're at war. 😂
@amicableenmity9820
@amicableenmity9820 2 ай бұрын
That's something the movie had over this for sure.
@CuteBlueCherri
@CuteBlueCherri 2 ай бұрын
Yes same!!! Also something that's bugged me about all the Disney live action remakes lately, everything is just too bright and colorful and pretty and clean and cosplay-ish, you finally put it into words why it just feels so fake to me 😭
@llewelynshingler2173
@llewelynshingler2173 Ай бұрын
While "Buffoon" and "High School Musical Character are not technically exclusive, you raise a good point
@nope4430
@nope4430 2 ай бұрын
After suki's downgrade in Kyoshi warriors arc, I stopped the show
@mayura7210
@mayura7210 2 ай бұрын
Don't even get us started of how they handled Azula
@YaroLord
@YaroLord 2 ай бұрын
Oh god they completely destroyed her character. Live action Azula is NOTHING like the original. First thing you notice is her fire isn’t even blue, and then it only gets worse and worse and worse. She uses lightning in a completely unbelievable way and it just seems so out of nowhere. In the animated series she was undergoing strict training by 2 sages and I remember it blew my mind that she was using lighting!!! In the new one it just feels like they rushed to shove it in somewhere because they had to.
@nurainiarsad7395
@nurainiarsad7395 2 ай бұрын
Katara is a waterbender, influenced by the moon, meant to be feminine and emotional. They are afraid of showing a female character who is deeply emotional and with changeable moods, because they don't know how to do it without making the female seem irrational and weak. Katara is a character is totally emotional and feminine and yet not 'lesser'. In fact, I'd argue that her high emotionality is reflective of her bending power as a WATER bender, and her journey is about learning emotional regulation and stability. She learns to create space between trigger and reaction/judgement, she learns accept others and be more patient, she learns to overcome vengeance and the temptation of bloodbending. She cries, gets infatuated, loses her temper, mothers others, harbours resentment for a long time - she feels fully. Katara who doesn't show emotion isn't Katara. Katara who is obsessed about power and fighting and taking down enemies rather than the purpose for the fighting (usually the protection of something or someone), isn't Katara. Geez, in all the clipped scenes netflix Katara, who is supposed to be the 'strong female' movie version, still looks mopey and passive, when supposedly 'too emotional' OG Katara is bossy and loud! re: water tribe custom, I always assumed that male water benders were trained to use it in combat, whereas female water benders were trained to use it for healing. this is not an unreasonable gender role division in the majority of cases. also, it's telling if the showrunners don't think that waterbending for healing is at least as powerful and important as waterbending to harm and fight.
@TorianTammas
@TorianTammas 2 ай бұрын
@nurainiarsad7395 You may not be aware but all you described were fantasies of men to deny women the right to vote, the right to higher education, and the right to live a life of their own outside of the shadow of a father or husband. So yes these cliches really hurt people and denied them basic human rights.
@sebaschan-uwu
@sebaschan-uwu 2 ай бұрын
Exactly. The only reason the avatar world can have a lesson that says "sexism bad! Girls can fight too!" is because half of the women have literal godlike power and the other half have live action mulan level of magical martial arts. In real life, the stuff sokka says, that girls shouldn't fight or hunt, is totally reasonable. But in the avatar world the women actually are about as strong as men for some reason.
@Appletank8
@Appletank8 2 ай бұрын
@@sebaschan-uwu I mean, magic makes muscles a bit less important.
@louisem3969
@louisem3969 2 ай бұрын
You nailed it!
@sebaschan-uwu
@sebaschan-uwu 2 ай бұрын
@@Appletank8 I know, that's what I said.
@Pakaku9
@Pakaku9 2 ай бұрын
My gf never watched avatar. Though, she know this as been very important in my life. She asked, about the show and my thought and I talked about katara and the problem with feminity in media. Guess I sold the original talking about the subject, now she curious and want to watch it. So it did that
@huntressmma1822
@huntressmma1822 2 ай бұрын
Sweet!
@ieeee_.
@ieeee_. 2 ай бұрын
aww
@TehMomo_
@TehMomo_ 2 ай бұрын
i hope that us ragging on the netflix show drives more people to the cartoon. it still deserves love
@YaroLord
@YaroLord 2 ай бұрын
I’m on the opposite situation. My girl actually liked the new abomination because she likes the new Katara, says the old one was too bossy. We’re rewatching the animated series and I hope by the end she sees how wrong she was. Arguably the only good thing in the live action are the VFX. Everything else is objectively inferior.
@ieeee_.
@ieeee_. 2 ай бұрын
good about the movie is zuko and the viLLLAIN@@YaroLord
@KathyH684
@KathyH684 2 ай бұрын
This is the first video I've seen from you, and I've gotta say, you've earned my sub. You've made a good and compelling argument for true femininity, and I respect that.
@stevenshockley4237
@stevenshockley4237 Ай бұрын
Her actress attempted to say that it's "sooo much more emotional than the OG" which in itself made her sound like a TikTok girl...Full offense intended, that cast and the show itself were just, baiting for profit and clout. Destroying Sokka's male development of course, wasn't a problem for them either.
@ledanoir1239
@ledanoir1239 2 ай бұрын
Do Sokka, please. Dont force me to watch the Netflix series just out of morbid curiosity
@ATLA99
@ATLA99 2 ай бұрын
He's boring and humorless and always gets along with Katara. Its kind if uncanny
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 2 ай бұрын
Because Netflix removed his realization that sexism is wrong, the guy has no start to his character arc. He doesn’t even have one. His arc is I have to learn to believe I have what it takes to be strong rather than learning what he needs to do to be strong. In addition to that, he is completely stale and feels like he has no place in the series. And because they take out the sexism, he has no room to grow and it makes his relationship with Suki hallow.
@master_samwise
@master_samwise 2 ай бұрын
Oh, I plan to.
@ATLA99
@ATLA99 2 ай бұрын
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 the new writers thinks we are all brain dead idiots with no comprehension skills. In the original show, every time Sokka said something sexist, Katara or Suki immediately called him out. "You are the most sexist, immature, nut brained...i'm embarrassed to be related to you" "A bunch of girls , huh? The Unagi is going to eat well tonight" They were very clearly criticizing sexism. The fact that the new writers didnt trust us to understand that is crazy
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 2 ай бұрын
@@ATLA99 It's really funny that by taking away the sexist aspects of the Avatar world, Albert Kim and Netflix made the show more sexist. lol.
@amandatoast
@amandatoast 2 ай бұрын
I agree with every single thing you've said in this video. I was sooooooooooo incredibly disappointed with how they flattened/ruined every single character. I've been watching the original series to cleanse myself and feel better about this depressing disaster.
@petersonkariuki8300
@petersonkariuki8300 2 ай бұрын
You got this so on point. Was wondering when someone would state this.
@kabutoyakushi6618
@kabutoyakushi6618 Ай бұрын
I loved the part where the vilage elder and Aang told her she should not go fight. Women are not fighters, they are care takers.
@jaredbezes7806
@jaredbezes7806 2 ай бұрын
It was super weird how katara didn’t even struggle to learn water bending when in the cartoon she was actually jealous and mad on how easy it was for aang to water bend
@NeoN-PeoN
@NeoN-PeoN 2 ай бұрын
"You're looking at her" LMAOOOOOOOOO
@rflowers360
@rflowers360 2 ай бұрын
“I’m a boss bitch”
@LtBasil
@LtBasil 18 күн бұрын
Aang's friendship with _Zuko_ is more believable than his friendship with Katara in this show. And he and Zuko aren't even supposed to be friends at this point. What does that tell you about how badly they screwed up Katara?
@dschortz
@dschortz 2 ай бұрын
The thing about Katara being hopeful is how close the animated character was pushed to despair. She refused to despair when dealing with Pakku, when trusting and then forgiving Jet and Zuko, when facing Aang’s natural talent, forgiving her father, and refusing to turn her back on those in need. When Katara breaks down after she learns blood bending, it’s because to do so she had to swallow the despair and vengeance that had consumed Hama. And then it came very close to consuming her in the southern raiders. It’s not just that Katara was a hopeful character, it’s that her hopefulness was constantly tested throughout the show. She earned it.
@Taiga-16
@Taiga-16 2 ай бұрын
They totally ruined our girl 😭😭😭
@idkmyname1295
@idkmyname1295 2 ай бұрын
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! You're literally the ONLY person to address how lackluster and off-tone the duel between Pakku & Katara was. The acting and script completely missed the mark and sucked the life and emotion out of Katara's character & growth. It frustrated me so much.
@Remedie
@Remedie 2 ай бұрын
I wanted the browned skin blue-eyed Katara so bad 😭
@CELESTINOXZ
@CELESTINOXZ 2 ай бұрын
Honestly me too and sokka cus if yk yk but only if the writing was good😔
@DefenestrateYourself
@DefenestrateYourself 2 ай бұрын
Colorism 🤮
@iloveLmorethanyou
@iloveLmorethanyou 22 күн бұрын
It broke my heart how much they ruined my childhood hero in this show!! I wanted to be Katara as a kid!
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