The Failed Logistics of Russia's Invasion of Ukraine

[@Wendoverproductions]

Please keep in mind that this comments section is very likely to have disinformation actors/trolls due to the nature of this conflict. It's likely not representative of actual opinions.

[@martinhg1977]

Don’t worry, Sam. You have a faithful audience standing by your side. This is by far the best video you’ve made (even better than the ones of Guam and St. Helena). Keep up the good work!

[@VV-wc4bg]

I don't think you have enough objective data to make declarations about Russian supply lines. There is absurd propaganda from both sides of the conflict. Given your lack of objective verifiable data, your video is effectively part of the propaganda you are decrying. I understand that it is in your monetary interest to make videos on current topics, but it would be more forthright (and serve your audience better) if you made clear the highly speculative nature of your video and didn't use clickbait titles. Overall your videos are very good and I have recommended them to friends before. Of course, ultimately, you could be completely correct, so I am not saying you're wrong.

[@SupbarXD]

@@VV-wc4bg thank you, Vladi Vladi.

[@westrim]

Oh, I'm sure there are some True Believers out there, even outside the Russosphere and Sinosphere, and lots of Whataboutists. And there is the salient point that by usual metrics we're still very early in this invasion. But that point was made in the first weeks of the pandemic, and here we are, millions of deaths later because so many failed to take it seriously. Having a point isn't the same as being right, and you're right; Russian logistics and strategy have been visibly substandard. Even if they do pull out a victory, that doesn't change their failure to destroy Ukrainian air defenses in the first hours, failure to effectively advance their supply chain, and failure to support deep strikes like the paratroopers that got stranded at the airports they attacked when their relief never came.

[@theusername000000000]

This whole platform is disinformation lol.

[@weenisw]

Wendover is clearly trying to villainize trains in order to forward his pro-airplane agenda

[@yourneighbour304]

Angry Adam something noices

[@TravisFabel]

We're going to have to check his portfolio for his C-17 holdings...

[@CoffeeKitty.]

adam something vs wendover, the duel of the century

[@ValiantValium]

He can't keep getting away with it!

[@14031993]

Antonov-225 was destroyed in the attack, Wendover probably cut himself in response

[@omarawad946]

When there's logistics and supply chain involved, you know this is the go-to channel!

[@sprucegoose6933]

It's barely been 10 days and here comes Wendover with his armchair general-ish analysis. I think he should just stick with what he knows best -- civil aviation and economics, not military stuff.

[@alexanderphilip1809]

@@sprucegoose6933 logistics is an imperative part of long term military operations. Think it was Gen. Bradley who said that amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics. that bsing said strategizing is a mentally engaging venture and allows you to prepare.

[@killercon2735]

@@sprucegoose6933 someones mad

[@The1Liner]

@@sprucegoose6933 and why is that

[@Fordragon]

@@sprucegoose6933 look who's mad that Russia is being called out for being amateurs.

[@moneysins]

“Infantry wins battles, logistics wins wars” *All hail Lord General Amazon*

[@ac1455]

The Bezos Musk alliance will conquer the martians with their supply convoys of reusable rockets and Amazon robots

[@dermittelfinger5903]

@@ac1455 amazon wouldnt supply a bottle of water if musk would be on fire.

[@dagdamor1]

Max0r Ace Combat 7 PTSD flashbacks

[@Ass_of_Amalek]

hail president field marshal bezos!

[@janedoeYT]

@@dagdamor1 "I heard you ordered a package from me, and didn't get it in time. Well now I'm here, and that package is death. Prepare to die."

[@trueriver1950]

The logistics "push" approach is a holdover from the Soviet-era doctrine of planning everything centrally. Civilian supplies were planned five years at a time, so the military was positively speedy in comparison

[@idaboi8378]

yes and no It is a holdover from the USSR but, not because of that but because the Red Army planned for a nuclear war, in which "pull" logistics wouldn't work as the EMP tied to a nuclear detonation would fry communications

[@arthas640]

@@idaboi8378 I thought they operated off a similar system in WW2? That sounds like a rhetoric question but I'm honestly not 100% sure. I know they were more rapine and pillaged/looted more but I thought they also did that since their Imperial days since it's a much older, simpler logistics system and is also just generally more popular with dictatorships since it allows for far more control from the capital and removes some power from officers

[@concept5631]

​@@arthas640 Russia has always looted and pillaged. Regardless of ideology or government.

[@arthas640]

@@concept5631 pretty much. If you're interested the book "Prisoners of Geography" by Tim Marshall does a great job explaining many of Russia's and other countries political attitudes and motivations since despite going from princedoms, republics, kingdoms, and empires to communism and presidential dictatorships they really havent changed their MO much since the Mongol invasions.

[@concept5631]

@@arthas640 Wonder what the Kievan Rus would've become had the Mongols not ruined everything

[@joedance14]

Excellent summary! “Amateurs think tactics, professionals think logistics.” Thank-you for pulling together all these bits of information.

[@owarida6241]

And an excellent commander think both.

[@wiretamer5710]

Amateurs are also obsessed with morality. To clarify. A lot of people get tied in knots about how terrible war is. If you do this, it is impossible to maintain a clear head about WHAT is happening, the consequences of events as they occur, and how they are likely to effect things later.

[@VisionStudios1]

100%

[@nathanlevesque7812]

@@wiretamer5710 .-. do you need help

[@thomaspaine1776]

Union vs Confederate forces in a nutshell.

[@YippingFox]

It is extremely important to remember that while the russian military leaders expected a quick war, their soldiers expected the population to welcome them with open arms to defeat the nazis in control.

[@andrewparsons2391]

"We will be welcomed as liberators!" "Hmm, I swear I've heard that somewhere before, comrade."

[@dbergerac9632]

They're three generations late for that outcome. Logistics must be VERY slow.

[@BojanBojovic]

Similar thing happened in Yugoslavia, when NATO started bombarding everyone got unified no matter the fact that one day earlier they were all against Milošević. I believe the same would happen in North Korea if someone tries to liberate them. I do not trust anyone when talking about politics, they all have some filthy nationalist ideology hiding behund this fake values of collective identity.

[@chibiromano5631]

Dam this video is shill af. I stopped watching his vids after Logistics of the NFL and his Urban Geography video was terribly wrong about US cities. As an American, this is just shilling on a next level with misinfo.

[@AmityPost]

I would have expected that too but it shows the power of NATO propaganda.

[@professormoriarty6875]

Logistics is also where the Germans failed during WW2. They got stuck in Russia during the winter with no fuel, no ammunition, no food, and no winter clothes.

[@williamclarke4510]

At one time in winter, Cossack Calvary were effective because even if oil wasn't frozen in crankcases, their batteries were dead.

[@astracrits4633]

It might even be worse for Russia since it's springtime--imagine trying to slog through the mud as the snow melts, and having all this meltwater clinging to you constantly, making you cold and wet. Honestly, it wouldn't be much better than trench warfare.

[@thexalon]

And one of the areas they got stuck in, very significantly, was the exact same land that the Russians are trying to capture. I'm pretty sure the "de-Naziification" rhetoric is specifically an attempt by the Putin government to frame this conflict as somehow related to what the Russians sometimes refer to as the "Great Patriotic War".

[@terawatt1]

that's a common myth, and mostly false... while there certainly were undersupplied parts of the front, most of the Eastern campaign was quite well supplied (up to the point where you even CAN mitigate the russian winter with supplies alone) - among military historians there is wide consensus that the most important part in the Wehrmacht's failure in the East laid in their incoherent strategy, first focussing on Moscow, then prioritizing Leningrad, and when both of those and the rush for the Mesopotamian oil fields through Egypt failed, focussing on the south because Romania couldn't keep up with the fuel demand...

[@Averagedre]

@@terawatt1 tbh the reason i thought the germans failed invading russia during WW2 was because it was just too cold at the time they started invading russia and the germans didn’t bring the proper clothing, im not a big historian but did that play a big part as well?

[@StYxXx]

Or to put it into words of a NATO analyst: Russian military is designed to defend the country. And so relying for example on its rail network makes sense. But it's not good for offensive actions. The US military is the opposite: It's built to attack other countries, no matter where on the planet. And they have the experience to do so. It's also quite logical from an historical point of view how their militaries developed during the last centuries. I wouldn't say that very western country would be better with logistics, it's also a matter of experience and they're pretty dependend on each others (just think about the retreat from Afghanistan - hardly a logistical masterpiece). Of course there are also other factors, like stricter hierarchy within the Russian military, different approach to morale and training. So it's not a good military for invading other countries and having to fight there for a long time. And when intelligence fails and the leaders think it'll be just a short trip without resistence failure is imminent. Invading Russia on the other side might be hard for any attacker. Maybe they should've sticked to defense...

[@stackhat8624]

All correct but the thing is NATO countries knew this about the Russian military. They knew how inadequate the Russian military was to stage an invasion of a country the size and population of Ukraine. Factor in Russia's poor economy, poor manufacturing and poor technology, especially weapons and equipment required for an offensive operation. And traditionally Russia has been an inward looking country obsessed with defending itself as you point out. Plus Putin is nothing but a thug dictator with no vision or plans. His only interests are in retaining power for the sake of power and accumulating wealth. But the fearmongering about Russia from the media was huge before the invasion. People seem to think Russia=USSR. The Russian military is a pale imitation of the USSR. The only winner out of this war will be weapons manufacturers.

[@Tam0de]

The US should get rid of its Department Of Defense. In its place will be the properly named Department Of Offense. Modern, straightforward & makes perfect sense.

[@cryptonewbie5210]

Even Canada has excellent logistics as by the very nature of our location we need to support troops half a world a way as a normal everyday situation....

[@cryptonewbie5210]

@@Tam0de It was originally called the War Department which is also more accurate

[@karlshorstzwei]

Yeah, exactly. Maybe they shouldn't have invaded, no? Then Ivan and Vasyl could be at home and celebrate Easter in peace.

[@ryanfox4462]

This is better produced than half the docs I've seen on any war, let alone one that's currently going on.

[@ghiorghetatarescu3649]

Most war documentaries are produced it us and are very biast, they are either 6 hours long documentaries about a semi important battle wich the us won or "the truth about *insert verry well known historical fact favorbly about natzis*" and they are pseudo-historic

[@onee]

Half of the pseudo documentaries you see don't go any further than Russia bad, Ukraine good. Or replace Russia and Ukraine with pretty much any other two countries at war. Whatever country your own country wants you to support, will go and interview victims of the side they support.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

This video is grossly premature, but it seems everyone on KZbin is in a rush to capitalize on the latest sensational news. For context, the surrender of France in WW2 after Germany's 'lightning' campaign that everyone loves mocking them for, was after 7 weeks of fighting. Even Poland took them over a month to beat. And more recently, the US took 6 weeks to win Iraq. Hell, this is an active warzone, so how do civilian content creators seemingly know so much about the nitty gritty of everything? Is Wendover part of US intelligence or something?

[@neodym5809]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn Russian media published victory articles last weekend, telling how Russia conquered Ukraine with almost no resistance and how quickly their government fell. This week, European media got letters that it is illegal for them to broadcast into the Russia`s Ukraine. You do not need to have US intel, the Russians were so kind to publish their thoughts themselfs.

[@DarKHorsE84]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn what are you talking about? This information has been out for decades over Russian militarys logistics. Go read more, this is a great video that puts more information about one of the real issues that Russia is facing on a hard terrain and why they are having lulls in bombarded enemies positions because they need to be reloaded so frequently and have to wait for resupplies but their lack of trucks and forcing them to use the roads which leads to ambushes is what's dragging their wishful thinking of fast war.

[@lihisluikku]

This is how Finland held back Russian forces for months in the 2nd world war. Finns didn't even have proper anti-tank weapons. They didn't have any tanks or armored vehicles that would have been relevant. They ran up to the tanks with satchel charges, rammed logs into the tracks, and came up with the Molotov's cocktail. But the main reason why the USSR forces were held back for so long, was their logistics failing. The soldiers were hungry, demoralized, and freezing in the Finnish winter. Finnish guerilla fighters were striking their supply trucks, which often traveled unprotected. The soviet war machine was heavily reliant on roads, so Finns mined the roads and set up ambushes, while the Finnish forces mainly used skis and horses for logistics near the front lines.

Viva Finland! I hope you join NATO, friends!

[@sevex9]

Russia as Putin's Russia may not even make it out of this war... so hopefully you guys don't feel the need to join NATO.

[@azrielhanafi7353]

yet they still surrendered to USSR

[@themiddlecase]

@@azrielhanafi7353 I mean, yeah. The USSR vastly outnumbered Finland, and had on the order of 150 times as many tanks, and 30 times as many aircraft as Finland. That said, Finland still managed to hold on for 3 months, inflicting 7 times greater casualties than they took, which is pretty incredible.

[@azrielhanafi7353]

@@themiddlecase yeah i really appreciate and amazed what the finland soldier do to hold the USSR approach, i also read the biography of famous finland sniper simo hayha and their courage to fight USSR. But that being said, the USSR still managed to occupy finland and if the worst come posible that ukraine will surrender or most of it land getting occupied by russia

[@M1A1SteakSauce]

They aren’t sanctions. They’re special economic operations.

[@BENTLEY.624]

i see what you did there, lol.

[@kreek22]

Sanctions may well harm the rest of the world more than Russia. Got wheat?

[@captaineflowchapka5535]

@@kreek22 yhea but the rest of the wolrd produce wheat too , isolating one country harm some sector bust most harm is done to the isolated country

[@qad951]

@@captaineflowchapka5535 u r funny Know the economy We get more hurt by sanctioning Russia Btw gemany may well be going backwards but they can't show it yet

[@functhefucc5798]

@@qad951 russia isn't as important to the world than a lot of people think. This isn't the US or China.

[@viperz3r016]

"Infantry wins battles, Logistics wins wars" -John Perishing

[@The1976spirit]

Infantility likes to deny the lesson until complete destruction.

[@uss_04]

Wendover always managed to make Logistics endlessly fascinating and relevant.

[@andredeketeleastutecomplex]

He's still a liar though. He need to go back to school and do more math.

[@OxyGankers]

@@andredeketeleastutecomplex hE nEeD tO gO bAcK tO sChOoL aNd Do MoRe MaTh

[@mr.boomguy]

@@andredeketeleastutecomplex And heeeeeere we go~

[@redned7771]

@@andredeketeleastutecomplex and you need to do less meth

[@zebjensen4251]

Tsun zu would be proud. He knows the importance of logistics as dose our KZbinr.

[@mwa1254]

And this is why KZbin is so successful, people like you who are able to create such great content that the regular tv just fails to get right at all today!

[@nelsonc6173]

Huh? The material covered in this doc has been covered in a ton of Media...on Tv and online for years.

[@phoenix5054]

True. KZbin is full of passionate people with hours to discuss topics without the time constraints of linear TV.

[@rcane6842]

guy has shallow idea on how daily news work, the time it takes to make one, versus the content mashers in YT

[@devvv4616]

@@nelsonc6173 the thing is you can look it up yourself instead of waiting for the right programs or hoping the channel you're watching is good. way more control

[@Hirvee5]

There were at least a couple of mistakes delivered in the video with full confidence that I cought. It also paints overly optimistic image so In at least my head a lot of propaganda alarms are going off. Rockets for example aren't that difficult to transport and you can defenitely fit many of them into a truck. It is the cruise missiles that are the expensive ones. Also as far as I can tell Anonymous isn't an radio amateur oraganization at all. Actually disturbing the Russian radio communications probably takes a bit more than what was mentioned on the video. Not that much but a bit. At least based on something I have heard from some radio amateur friends.

[@marks7484]

The big bad convoy in the North of Kyiv is a perfect description of Russia's logistical failure- it is a 64 km traffic jam where vehicles in the front have stalled due to lack of fuel, and are waiting till fuel arrives from the depo far back. Not to mention that vehicles in the middle and tail are wasting fuel by idling their engines to run heating, comms, and other functions like for example, AA vehicles. Since mud season has started, they are locked to roads like in Winter war, meaning they can't even send their units from the middle to go around. Thanks for the likes and (mostly) civilized conversation in replies.

[@aberoy9957]

@@БССР-х5е LOL

[@edalder2000]

I am reminded of The Highway of Death during Gulf War I. Late in the war, a huge Iraqi convoy was spied going north towards Iraq with all sorts of booty. US forces were able to use AWACS planes to pinpoint US. Vietnam era planes to knock out the front and rear vehicles in that long convoy. This 30 years ago and those Vietnam era planes were out of US Inventory a few years later. Anyway-once the front and rear Iraqi vehicles were stopped dead, It was a shooting gallery. Somewhere between 1200-2000 Iraqi vehicles were destroyed. The utter failures in logistics, leadership, and more have been exploited by Ukrainian forces. NATO and Western nations have also supplied all sorts of equipment and real time data to Ukraine.

[@anguselliott8986]

Russian advance reminds of Rome's lost legions in the Teutoburg disaster

[@theprinceofbabylonia]

I wish that convoy was attacked from above by a fleet of low flying A10 Thunderbolts

[@unconventionalideas5683]

But it's not 64 km anymore because it has been hit by the Ukrainians.

[@scottonandrew]

First rule of attacking another country: Never assume the best case. Shit will go wrong. Enemy troops will fight harder than expected. Expect and plan for the worst case. If the worst case does not occur, you can be happily surprised!

[@osheridan]

Yeah lmao, Putin really said "2 days" 💀

[@bolobalaman]

Too bad u can't really expect such healthy and logic view from a dictatorship who love hearing sweet lies .

[@ishkanark6725]

Shh

[@SPrince-t9u]

@@osheridan American general*

[@SPrince-t9u]

@@bolobalaman That would be the U.S regime right?

[@rizzorizzo2311]

It’s crazy that Russia has had so many communication issues they’ve been communicating without encryption for most of this invasion. That’s a massive no no for a military. You HAVE to be able to talk without the enemy listening in. If our patrols don’t have encrypted communications setup they do not leave the wire and if one of our encryption devices becomes unaccounted for the entire theater has to change comsec immediately.

[@amaizeing.dumbass5123]

If weekend hackers can fxxk your communications easier than someone making a PB&J sandwich, you really have a problem.

[@prosewat99]

Hubris

[@heryoneheryone3664]

Its parts of militery strategi. Russia have master plann strategy

[@dalooter2607]

everything is being broadcasted live on the news anyways

[@projectkilo8370]

This is such BS, do you really believe that the worlds second most powerful military is using paper maps and unencrypted frequencies to communicate? Do you really believe?

[@slidebean]

Fantastic, thorough video. Shows how quickly and effectively your research team can move. Logistics.

[@AxxLAfriku]

🚨🚨🚨 AAAAAAHHHHH!!! 🚨🚨🚨 school is sooooo boring i am in 8th grate and its so boring i am having sucess on youtube so i think i will drop out of school. i dont have friends so i need your opinon sli

[@veramae4098]

How long are we going to put up with this? NATO was created for joint defense, but is it supposed to tie the hands of its members to act as sovereign nations?? France is not part of NATO, nor Finland or Sweden or Switzerland. Act!!!

[@DigiFoxman]

@@veramae4098 France is part of NATO

[@angryman132]

@@DigiFoxman u are special needs

[@approxpurified]

@@AxxLAfriku yu

[@lucius1976]

And now Russia abandoned all position North and Northeast of Kiev in something that can only described as "humiliating retreat"

[@NormanF62]

In hindsight, Kiev was a feint operation and the Russians never seriously committed the kind of resources necessary to conquer a city that large. They simply wanted to pin down Ukrainian forces while building up their offensive capability elsewhere. When that was done, they withdrew. That explains why they took weeks to reach the capital and openly advertised their movements. If Kiev had been a military objective, the Russians would have conducted things very differently.

[@lucius1976]

@@NormanF62 Yeah right. And 1941 the Germans never really wanted to conquer Moskov, just pin down Soviet forces. Unsubtantiated myths

[@NormanF62]

@@lucius1976 The poor state of the Russian roads and the fact the Germans wanted to take Leningrad as well as Moscow, meant the Germans could not do one thing well. Whatever the Russian setbacks are in Ukraine, they have one objective, the Donbas which is well within their capabilities. What they’re not doing is conquering a country the size of France in one fell swoop.

[@gtoger]

Well done, Sam. Sincerely, a real human person and not a bot.

[@MegaChickenPunch]

prove that you are a human

[@HolyLegendz]

Sounds like what a bot would say jk lol

[@alfonss_]

Please upload more videos man

[@scocon8658]

@@MegaChickenPunch Agreed - not many real people would put so many spaces between the end of one sentence & the start of another. Bot-voices certainly have evolved to sound more human, but how come they still butcher simple word pronunciations?! It boggles the mind, or as a bot might say: "It buggles the mind" 🤨

[@scocon8658]

Totally mis-pronouncing simple, well-known words in the video: MORONIC. Excellent pronunciation of *every* word in the sponsor's advert: IRONIC. Hey, Curiosity Stream - How 'bout teaching these Slow Class idiot narrators (real or not) a seminar or two about how to sound like a real human?

[@johnroush1099]

It needs to be noted that this wasn't merely a miscalculation by Russia. Every major country in the world also thought that Ukraine would fall within 3 days. Compare this to Russia's invasion of Georgia and the U.S.'s invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, and it demonstrates that modern warfare will rarely ever go according to plan. There are so many variables and conditions that can't truly be known until you set foot and machine onto the battlefield. Hopefully major powers will learn from these repeated mistakes and understand that war is far too risky, even against seemingly inferior opponents, and opt for more "peaceful" methods of coercion in the international arena.

[@tai1364]

Like china method?

[@so_zemlji]

Never heard of any Russian general or diplomat saying that Ukr would fall in three days.

[@johnroush1099]

@@tai1364 it would seem they have better calculations on that. But they are also heavily investing in military, so they may make the same blunders down the line.

[@maratburangulov2790]

США воевали ковровыми бомбардировками, а Россия постепенно освобождает территорий

[@Intranetusa]

The USA's invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan happened fairly smoothly and quickly in terms of the actual invasion and take-over of the country. It was the long running insurgency afterwards that gave the USA trouble. Russia at this point hasn't taken over the country yet since they seem to have trouble even taking a small part of Ukraine, let alone stamp out an insurgency after a take over is accomplished.

[@XAngelxofMercyX]

I'm beyond impressed at you guys being able to get this video out so quickly, with so much information packed into it. Bravo!

[@wuhaninstituteofvirology5226]

If you knew something about Russia before, it's not surprising.

[@Josh-cw8by]

You can tell it was rushed. Russian soldiers not having knowledge of Ukrainian streets and using paper maps for navigation?...Ya..Pretty sloppy for Wendover.

[@lovellmills7959]

@@Josh-cw8by what are you on about? I want too see you make a video about this as the war goes on 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@default123default2]

That's because they got grants from the state dept for propaganda to discredit the Russian war. I'm 100% serious. The video was made before the war started

[@wartome3196]

@@default123default2 Agreed, The narrative coming out doesn't actually match what we see on the ground. It took how many days to reach this place? How long were we told they were on the march towards Kiev? We were told a "fire" at a nuke power plant was an attack by Russians; cuz blowing up nuke plants near your own border is a good thing right?

[@jtch912]

When Amazon has better logistics than the Russian military

[@arthas640]

Fun fact: many aid organizations including the Red Cross have worked with Coke to get aid in remote areas because Coke has better planning skills and better logistic networks than most governments. I've heard some axis soldiers knew the war was over when they found out American soldiers had cold bottles of Coke miles just behind the front line

[@nitesy381]

Its amazon. What did you ecpect

[@ukraineme96]

Comparing to Amazon is overkill. Amtrak has better logistics than the Russian military.

[@balagadoo]

to be fair, Amazon's entire trillion-dollar business is based on moving stuff from 1 place to another so you'd expect them to have mastered it

[@anxiousearth680]

Maxor as alt future Jeff Bezos: "Your package has arrived. It is death."

[@CanKicker68]

I worked in Logistics during some Afghan deployments. It was a fight everyday to navigate the complex competing interests within British Logistics battle groups. Not as smooth as you think when commanders constantly concentrate on the intelligence picture. Took 10 years off my life.

[@casedistorted]

Interesting, I’d love to learn more!

[@randomlygeneratedname7171]

Logistics is too expensive and economically demanding it doesn't help to try to over leverage while in debt. Most militaries don't just want to do more with less but they have to.

[@JoeOvercoat]

@@randomlygeneratedname7171 Logistics wins wars. It’s not optional. Be a cheapskate, and lose.

[@tsubadaikhan6332]

I work in Logistics for a Liquor Company in Australia. You probably won't believe me, but mate, during the Covid Lockdowns, I was feeling some of your pain. Customers Suck Balls.

[@internetenjoyer1044]

to be fair i doubt the logistics of any war ever fought felt like it was a smooth operation from the inside

[@antanaskiselis7919]

You forget to mention one important aspect in russian military which touches logistics - corruption. Officers pocket resources which are directed towards vehicle maintenance for example. Simple soldiers who serve and get absolute shit pay and suffer bullying "duxi" in the military feel little loyalty for it. So stuff if they get to fix something, often spare parts or fuel are sold in civilian life to make additional profits. Or some tech like radios are sold off for their precious metals when they get their hands on it. West make due with politicians being sometimes corrupt. In russia entire system is based on having access to national resources and pocketing personally from it. From higher officers to low key individuals. Now what evidence we have for that actually manifesting directly? Food rations are 7 years old. No-one bothered to allocate resources to fix that. Or resources found someone's pocket. Captured Pansir - S1 was obviously unmaintained and haven't been taken for a spin allowing it's tires to rot. Which makes traversing off-road very dangerous. Hence abandoned vehicles left malfunctioning. Now russia's army is road bound in Ukraine's spring mud season in the north completely and that probably effects any trucks whatsoever. I wouldn't be surprised that a lot of stuff gets simply stolen before it even reaches troops on the front, while previously lack of maintenance and care effecting them now from the very start.

[@Trias805]

"Food rations are 7 years old." No, they expired 7 years ago :) So they must be even older.

[@rodion-z]

This, very much. The "second most powerful" army in the world was in large part based on their declared budget spending. Navalnyi touched on that part in his video exposing Putin corruption as well. They were "buying" everything from food to even chevrons on their uniforms at a markup several times larger than retail. One video showed a russian soldier's food pack that had an expiration date of 2015! I'm sure if you looked into reports it would show that it has been "resupplied" several times since then already.

[@kylemiles448]

you're brainwashed dude

[@michiellombaers3198]

@@kylemiles448 that's a baseless comment.

[@gadsdenflag5218]

@@kylemiles448 That’s a bit ironic

[@andresprieto6554]

Logistics has always been among the top priorities of every war, even on ancient times , it was one of the main reasons Alexander The Great was so successful or even before that, why countries that lacked horses didn't had Empires as massive as those that did. If you can't move your power where it's needed, you can't use the power.

[@skyhappy]

Actually Alexander was bad at that, he only survived off of plundering cities.

[@colonel_yuri]

@@skyhappy well that is an alternative of proper logistics, unless there is no city for you to plunder

[@crimsonleaf2755]

@@skyhappy isn't plunder one of the most prevalent yet barbaric way of support? Long before Alexander, the Vikings used to do this all the time, their path always included villages and river. There's no war that did not include plunder as resources.

[@skyhappy]

@@crimsonleaf2755 Plundering instead is risky. Napoleon went into Russia without a stable supply line - he was forced to retreat and 90% of his 400,000 soldiers died, froze to death, or were captured. It won't work long term.

[@aleksamapparat]

Well back in alexanders time it took weeks or even months to move supply so plundering seems to me like the most reasonable thing to do

[@midnightstudio3742]

Congrats on being so reliable that Vice News used clips from you in their videos! Source: The Ethical Hackers at War With Putin. 2:45

[@Mondo_Monchi]

And if a KZbinr can put this all together, imagine what the intelligence community is making of it!

[@Baghuul]

This is my exact thought. Kids these days can take visual data from hundreds of sources and feed it through programs and algorithms ect... What does that say of the upper up echelons of the intelligence community. Is the Russian intelligence this shoddy? dont they have the top minds that can work around this? to anticipate what enemy nations are compiling? idk

[@Bolsonaro_em_Haia]

I assume that many high ranking military officers, particularly within OTAN, are welcoming the fresh information on Russian military capabilities and deficiencies. That can only be a boost to their ability to exploit the weaknesses and prepare for the strengths. And all the while chipping away at Russia's international dignity and making their opponents appear more necessary.

[@richardkalmwater5996]

The CIA is too busy taking diversity classes to do their real jobs.

[@Obyvvatel]

@@Baghuul I'd say yes and no, people often assume that because something is military then it's top quality, but i think it depends on the country, which aspect, etc

[@J_Makaveli]

Who named them “intelligence”… I’m guessing they did lol

[@Treppiede]

An important video that masterfully breaks down two complex topics to the masses: 1) the importance of logistics 2) the stupidity of filming vertically

[@JustAnotherYouTubeCommenter]

ikr if you're trying to film a landscape... *why* would you record it in portrait?

[@arthas640]

What is it about Tik Tok and Snapchat that makes people so terrible that using a smartphone? They suddenly forget how cameras work the second they start using the app

[@cakeisyummy5755]

@@arthas640 It's Black Magic, obviously.

[@jimdaw65]

@@JustAnotherKZbinCommenter I wonder if the have their TVs and monitors with the short side at the top? :-)

[@EpicBoss-]

@@JustAnotherKZbinCommenter its often simply easier to hold a phone vertically

[@Ealsante]

The street signs thing were a nice touch. Removing or rearranging them was what the Czechs did in '68, while 'Welcome to Hell' is what the Chechens did in the first war.

[@amerigo88]

Drove around Brno in Czechoslovakia for an extra hour back in 1991 due to the deliberately misleading paper maps the Russians had insisted on distributing. Happy ending was we ended up in an unofficial hotel for foreign guests instead of the official one, and the cost was 20X cheaper! Navigating Eastern Europe right after the Iron Curtain was lifted was very challenging before GPS became commonplace.

[@knottyal2428]

In GB in 1940, with the threat of German invasion just across the English Channel, many signs were painted out. Included village nameboards, sign posts, railway station names etc.

[@danksanchez4324]

@Nicholas Darryl Halim honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Russian soldiers engaged each other on accident thinking they were Ukrainian.

[@benghazi4216]

The best one was a crossroad/overpass sign here all roads went to the Hague, ie the ICC.

[@Itried20takennames]

There is a supposed story from WW2 where an Axis soldiers and his buddies captured a shipment of US supplies, and found it contained various baked goods, shipped from the US in a short time and still fresh. And the soldier said he realized that if the US had the logistic resources to rush ship cup cakes and pies to their troops, while his side struggled to even supply ammo or fuel without huge delays…..that their side was doomed.

[@arthas640]

I've heard a few similar stories. Right after WW2 in Germany some Soviet soldiers were shocked when they found out some American soldier got a cake mailed to him from his family in the US on his birthday. The Japanese were similarly shocked when they found out regular enlisted men in the US were getting better tobacco, sugar, and even ice cream at a time when their own officers were smoking tobacco that was mostly filler and things like sugar and ice cream were virtually unheard of in the military.

[@yametekudasai3973]

The huge land of Ukraine and those silent drones plays a big part in this. Hitting supplies are forever been in war tactics throughout human history. Thousands of tanks are nothing if they don't have fuel, same with food for soldiers to consume.

[@kieranwalsh2058]

Logistics are one of if not *the* most important part of a war. For all we know a lot of the Russian troops are a professional force (there’s been a lot of videos of what look like poorly trained and armed troops), but they have such little supply it makes virtually no difference

[@TheKazragore]

They become nothing more than temporary cover from which to fire side arms and light weaponry before enemy ground forces close in and surround you.

[@JoeOvercoat]

If the Russians were worried about interdiction they would not be parking all their vehicles in a field shoulder to shoulder, nose to tail. Face the facts: Russia has air superiority in Ukraine.

[@kieranwalsh2058]

@Server Meta Have you seen the recent video of a plane being shot down and it shows one of the pilots dead, being confirmed to have been a pilot that bombed Syria?

[@R0mst3r]

@@JoeOvercoat sooo.... these 'facts'... are they in the room with us right now?

[@DanielWolfe]

After seeing all the dash cams and cameras capturing the train carrying tank and trucks alike, I was utterly stunned by the fact that they were preparing for the invasion years prior to today.

[@sieevansetiawan4792]

Reallifelore made a video on this also. He claims that Russian population is shrinking, which means less military forces in the future. In other words, better attack now than later.

[@filipelimartins]

@@sieevansetiawan4792 the population is shrinking and the equipment is getting obsolete, it needed to act now.

[@darrenmcelduff6848]

Why would it be stunning when they have had war this last good few years

[@michaelnieman6218]

Before I enlisted into the US Army In 1983 my father a WW2 and Korean War veteran told me in order to prepare for war you must first train for war including having the equipment and supplies before the start of the Korean the US Army was under equipped and under manned and it BITE Uncle Sam hard in the ASS

[@MrSeedkey]

It’s crazy that only a month ago a lot of people were saying Russia wasn’t gonna invade and was just doing training exercises at the border 🤦‍♂️

[@dankuser8303]

“Amateurs study tactics; professionals study logistics.” - Omar N. Bradley

[@808INFantry11X]

True I love that quote because it's the secret to life. It's one thing to talk about what to do its another to discuss on how to do something.

[@Rauschgenerator]

I actually wonder, who really said this, as the Internet gives me a lot of different sources, like Patton, Tom Clancy and Rommel. Well, and now Bradley 😀

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@808INFantry11X Ironically that quote does exactly that - offer a pithy bit of advice on what to do, not how to do it.

[@TesterAnimal1]

@@Rauschgenerator the concept goes back to Scipio Africanus and Hannibal Barca’s little spats and further…

[@Rauschgenerator]

@@TesterAnimal1 I don't mean the concept but this very sentence.

[@stefanniemiec8727]

I remember studying WW2 at school. WW2 in Europe was won by a combination of materiel & logistics support into Europe, and Russian ability to move their forces within the borders of Russia - coupled with the harsh winter in Eastern Europe plains (Ukraine & Western Russia). It seems nothing has changed. US can ship its materiel very effectively globally (good for empire building) Russia is focused within its borders. (Good for defense of 'motherland')

[@0MoTheG]

One reason why Germany could not go on after 1942 was their overstretched logistics network. They could not build enough railroads nor protect them. Their trucks were too few and worn out. Road conditions were too poor. Amazing Russia didn't learn from their enemies mistakes.

[@shanedavison7473]

The U.S. is like the Empire in Star Wars. Russia is just trying to survive. They don't like the idea of U.S. missiles in Eastern Ukraine a few miles from their capitol.

[@osheridan]

@@shanedavison7473 "just trying to survive" by picking wars for fun, okay

[@shanedavison7473]

@@osheridan Do you know the 9 year history of the conflict in Ukraine? If you don't you can watch Redacted News.

[@Vapor817]

@@shanedavison7473 even now nato is still blueballing zelensky by refusing ukraine's entry. if the chance is still low despite everything that's happened then it wouldve been basically zero had russia never bothered invading

[@rfarevalo]

"Looting" is a civilian activity. Armies or military units engage in "Plundering". Plundering is addressed in most international treaties and articles of war for the last half of a millennia.

[@embreis2257]

good point. no surprise we have to learn those legal semantics in times of war

[@10z20]

What is the legal distinction? Is plundering more or less acceptable?

[@FetteLatte]

@@10z20 It's worse. Pillaging is a war crime.

[@peteg475]

In times past, they called it "foraging", to put a nicer term on organized rape and theft.

[@doigt6590]

Thank you for the correction rfarevalo. Before your post, I was really confused as to why russian civilians would go into ukraine and engage in looting. But now it's obvious that wendover productions used the term "looting" to refer to "plundering". You cleared a very big misunderstanding there. That was really useful to know. Thank you.

[@patraicemery]

Another drawback to Russia is much of the equipment being fielded is soviet era tech which many military veterans in Ukraine will know how to use, and effectively. This means they can quickly train conscripted soldiers on use of captured equipment, something that most poor nations cannot do generally.

[@SovietReunionYT]

To be fair, most other poor countries use Soviet era tech too.

[@alexsis1778]

Soviet tech is essentially the backbone of third world militaries all around the world. Its cheap, its rugged and it requires little in the way of maintenance. This however doesn't change the fact that Russia seems to truly BE using soviet era tech. There have been sightings of BMP-1s and the like. For those who don't know these were first made in the 60s in comparison to the BMP-3 which was made in the late 80s and modernized in the 2000s. Leaves a lot of people wondering why in the world they're using BMP-1s?

[@ongkhuongduy3498]

@@alexsis1778 It has a lot to do with corruption. Military contract is big business. After the Georgian war, Russia went on a spending spree to upgrade its army. Through that process, there was incredible amount of corruption from defense official. Let's say they are providing 20 BMP-3 to a tank battalion to upgrade from their BMP-1 models, usually maybe 15 BMP-3 will make it to the actual battalion. The other 5 will magically be on a ship to China, Africa, Middle East, any country that has an appetite for Russian militaries product. The defense official pocketed the fund and deposit it into some Swiss bank account under assumed identities. Same goes for artillery, helicopter, MREs. And this goes on for over 17 years, with complicity from top to bottom.

[@gwzrd5675]

@@ongkhuongduy3498 maybe 5 will make it to the actual batalion in reality. You cant imagine the extent Russian corruption actually goes to

[@Seopy]

@@alexsis1778 No lol. From where I'm from we using Cold war us stuff.

[@arcticfox6808]

Russia's lack of establishment of early air superiority is a big question in a lot of minds. Surprised this was overlooked. The U.S. made sure to establish it before invading Iraq. And when the U.S. did invade, their armor units decimated Iraq's tank units at night, using superior tactics and nigh vision technology. The Russians also seem to be lacking these tools. They look like a 3rd world country out there, but the unfortunate facts are that they still have a huge nuclear arsenal, so while NATO is obviously thinking they could easily handle the Russians, they can do nothing but sit and watch for fear of nuclear Armageddon if they respond.

[@huskyfaninmass1042]

Yet by this time in the invasion of Iraq the US had still not taken Baghdad.

[@medsr6674]

US almost carpet bombed Iraq and other countries (including mine) before invading. Russians could definetely do the same, but they didn't want imense civilian casualties.

[@kosatochca]

@@huskyfaninmass1042 US lost a few dozens of its personnel, while Russia have already lost more than 500 highly capable combatants (official Russian report, so in reality it's even more, probably thousands). Soviet and later Russian is famous for disregarding troop losses in order to achieve certain strategic objectives, still this is not good statistics

[@varkr2066]

Russia isn't trying to mass carpet bomb civilians like NATO does.

[@agring8391]

@@kosatochca US fighted against outdated armies of a third world countryes with 20th centuries weapons. And russia fighting against modern army that has modern weapons and ammunission supplyed by west. And you forgot to compare army sizes. Obviusly when bigger armies fight there will be more casualties.

[@robertneely5148]

The Russian military has gone from "the second best army in the world" to "the second best army in Ukraine".

[@dannygomez6035]

Lol!

[@thor9563]

Yes, I agree. To preserve BOTH Russian and Ukrainian life, I would suggest: Ukraine could weaponize Russia's most successful product: VODKA. Russian troops feel abandoned, traumatized, lied to, home sick in a hostile land where neither side has a quarrel. There is One thing they would die for: Russian vodka. Ukraine should use their superior logistical abilities to distribute a train load of Russian vodka to all occupiers as a measure of 'hospitality'. A smiling Babushka pulling a wagon full of Russia's Finest, could disable a battalion of poorly led, poorly equipped poorly fed Orks in a single Friday night. Could herd them into a drunk tank and take their equipment intact. In war: A SNOCKERED FOE...is a friend! So...Let's do a little arithmetic. The 'think tank experts' are approving spending 20-40 Billion of our dollars on war machines and munitions to bludgeon a bunch of demoralized slobs who don't want to be there. 150 thousand Orks X $8 a bottle of Russia's finest: $1.2 million. Hire a battalion of Babushkas to deliver vodka to the occupiers @ $100 X 400: $40,000. Wagons and rail transport: $10,000. Total cost: $1.25 million. 150 thousand drunk Russians and their war machinery: PRICELESS! Slavo Ukraine!

[@davidadamson9105]

Yawn TROLL... DONBAS will NEVER be "Ukraine" again. Get THAT!!

[@thor9563]

@NationalAmerican TeroristicOrganisationNATO Three score and 8!

[@elibrod9981]

No, he is just Ukrainian. They are eternally infantile ))

[@stephanbrunker]

This has happened again and again in history, you should mean that *someone* had learned from it. A few examples: Napoleon failed on his russian campaign because after the burning of Moscow there was no shelter for his troops. 1914 the German attack against France failed at the Marne because the Germans ran out of ammo and - surprise - were too far from their railway end points. Railway infrastructure in Belgium was destroyed. Every following attack failed after a few kilometers, because the logistics in the conquered craterfield were neigh impossible. 1944 the German attack in the Ardennes failed because they ran out of fuel. And these are only the few I know instantly.

[@magoshighlands4074]

Fuck, the German assault assault Russia during WW2 failed because the German logistic couldn't handle the winter! The fact the Russians didn't learn a lesson from this si fucking hilarious

[@papabetadine724]

Yep, logistics is arguably the most important aspect of war. Many invasions have failed because of it. The USA are definitely the undisputed masters of logistics, its boring as fuck to do. But it will save lives and make the objective easier. If the Ukrainians had long range cruise missiles. They could launch a couple at rail way lines deep inside Russia and knock the railways out before they got too close. More than likely that the Russians would shoot it out of the sky. But the attempt would be worth it.

[@-007-2]

@@papabetadine724 - That's the exact reason Russia invaded Ukraine. They didn't want NATO arming Ukraine with the ability to strike its infrastructure deep within Russia. That and the political reasons.

[@papabetadine724]

@@-007-2 Yep pretty much. Goes to show how a well placed cruise missile can cuck the russian logistics train

[@tomshepard9050]

Ye except this is not that kind of war. The fact that KZbin is Western Bias(duh) and everyone seems to think this is the same war as WW2...that's exactly what Putin wants you to think. The West drown in their own social media hysterical piss.

[@jefftaylor3116]

I’m so impressed in just how quickly Wendover can make a high quality information dense video on rapidly evolving global situation. This one and the Afghanistan evacuation are mind blowing.

[@brainthesizeofplanet]

He planned it all along 🤣

[@bloodyglitch1777]

@@SkylerSeiben bot

[@kbieniu7]

Wendover's information logistics is simply an order of magnitude more efficient than russian military logistics.

[@bloodyglitch1777]

@@solid-banana5443 bot

[@PatrickThomasBrady]

@j kuzi this account was created a week ago, but you probably just want to spread the truth right

[@philsimpson3556]

The further an army advances the longer your supply lines. This was the main reason the allies had to prioritise the opening of Antwerp during the advance into Europe during WW2. Without the port of Antwerp the armies supply lines could not maintain their advance due to having to transport fuel, ammunition, food etc all the way from Normandy. Going too far will inevitability result in failure.

[@FeldwebelWolfenstool]

lol, hey..it's only 56 miles from the border to the city of Kiev...anyone who thinks the Russians are running out of gasoline is a moron. They the World's 3rd largest producer.

[@Agarwaen]

@@FeldwebelWolfenstool it's literally what we observe happening. and it matters NOTHING how much you can produce, if you can't transport it where it's needed. you obviously didn't watch the video and is just posting putins drivel propaganda.

[@FeldwebelWolfenstool]

@@Agarwaen ...56 miles? lol FIFTY SIX MILES IS SIX GALLONS OF GAS...lol...they're slowing to allow the ukes an option..

[@jouille4524]

@@FeldwebelWolfenstool cope

[@captiancholera8459]

@@FeldwebelWolfenstool why would they though, this gives the Ukrainians time to get equipment to the front, to re organize and to entrench, 56 miles isn’t too long, but modern vehicles are whores for gasoline, while a BMP has enough fuel for around 300 miles, you have to remember that they’re getting shot at on the way in, their rear is not fully secured and supply lines get raided (56 miles is definitely a long drive for a logi man who knows he could be ambushed). Under normal circumstances the Russians would have no issue moving their army that far. But facing resistance and heavier resistance than expected at that. They’re going to be using a lot more resources per mile than normal.

[@lenawachs2838]

Wooow this is so well-made. My new favorite youtube channel.

[@spongebobsquarepants675]

The first time I heard "logistics" mentioned in news regarding the russian invasion, I instantly thought about Wendover surely will be making a video about it and here we are.

[@forgotten1s]

That was a bet with 0 no bets. As everyone knows this is going to be a 50 episode arc

[@theshadowemperor2346]

I was expecting a video on russian logistics to eventually come

[@LookToWindward]

As soon as “logistics” is mentioned (outside of specialist media) in connection to any invasion, that invasion is in trouble.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@LookToWindward This video is grossly premature, but it seems everyone on KZbin is in a rush to capitalize on the latest sensational news. For context, the surrender of France in WW2 after Germany's 'lightning' campaign that everyone loves mocking them for, was after 7 weeks of fighting. Even Poland took them over a month to beat. And more recently, the US took 6 weeks to win Iraq. Hell, this is an active warzone, so how do civilian content creators seemingly know so much about the nitty gritty of everything? Is Wendover part of US intelligence or something?

[@LookToWindward]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn The War still going on after 10 days isn’t surprising at all, granted. But the utter shambles of the Northern front is pretty shocking.

[@sydposting]

I'm increasingly reminded of a line from HBO's Chernobyl miniseries, spoken by the actor playing Gorbachev: "Our power comes from the perception of our power." It's military Lysenkoism, this mindset of making plans to fit a narrative, rather than making plans to achieve a goal. The Soviet Union may have "fallen" but the ideologies are alive and well.

[@DrunKao]

I wish I could easily save KZbin comments like I can Reddit comments.

[@proshacot]

You got the Russian mindset right. Russia is failing because they have an obsolete post-Soviet mentality. I was born in USSR and then raised in Ukraine so I know their mentality very well.

[@PhiltheMoko]

@@cannibalholocaust3015 wow, Gordon Freeman with his crowbar over here!

[@specialingu]

i think thats more about totalian regimes than just communism.... its putting on a show for certain people.

[@sydposting]

@@specialingu I agree entirely. You can see similar mindsets in the boardroom of any corporation that insists on growth despite it being mathematically impossible in the long run.

[@ynot2385]

This is one of the very few positives of America constantly being at war for 20 years. A LOT of real world practice and implementations of logistics and supply chains.

[@HistoryNerd808]

True. I would argue though that we have always been good at logistics. Henry Knox, who later became secretary of war when Washington was president, famously managed to get a ton of artillery(without losing one) to Washington surrounding Boston in the middle of winter during the Revolution, Ulysses Grant was incredibly gifted at logistics which was a huge part of why he was such a great commander, etc. It definitely doesn't hurt(minus all the obvious negatives of war) to have 20 years of experience of what works and what doesn't in the 21st century.

[@FINNSTIGAT0R]

@Mister No Name You fo realize that he said "one of the very few", meaning the 20 years of war isn't a good thing at all, but if you have to look positives about it, then logistics and experience of war would be a positive.

[@clintgillespie8579]

@@HistoryNerd808 Henry Knox got tanks? Are you talking about the cannons from Fort Ticonderoga?

[@will9134]

Same with Rome. when they stopped fighting, they became a soft target

[@HistoryNerd808]

@@clintgillespie8579 Yeah, I caught that and changed it to artillery right as you were writing that. Guess I've got modern war on the brain lol.

[@natopeacekeeper97]

Awesome video very well done making the complex subject of military logistics simple. Great Job Guys!

[@thomasonson]

As a former Czech army logistics officer who served (exercised) with UK's Royal logistics school, US marines, AUT and HUN officers (2003-2013) I do appreciate this highly informative and well-made video. It clearly covered almost all important aspects of field logistics and precisely revealed the massive difference between contemporary and post-soviet logistics. Honestly we did not even put into consideration Russia into any of our scenarios. Everything was focused on expeditionary logistics, rapid staging and onward movement based operations on distant territories. Who would have thought... Former eastern-block countries, Ukraine included, have a deep understanding of post-soviet technique, its strengths and weaknesses. This war clearly shows that Russia's Achille's heel is not just logistics but the people part as well. Confused and incompetent commanders, weak tactics and absence of common sense... then committing war crimes and atrocities when hungry and frustrated. This war is a complete misery at its worst.

[@RoverWaters]

Czech army lol tiny

[@irvingshekelstein414]

@@RoverWaters that’s your comment? Small and packing a punch is much better than big and limp

[@aLittlePal]

valuable lesson

[@AlbertBasedman]

It's a war crime to plunder for food?

[@Tomkam658]

@@AlbertBasedman Its a war crime to shell civilian residential areas.

[@horusfalcon]

Interesting quote by General Pershing. I remember a similar quote attributed variously to General Omar Bradley and General George C. Marshall: "Amateurs study tactics; professionals study logistics." This succinct formulation of the winning rubric has eluded many would-be conquerors through the centuries of human conflict.

[@cynthiavanteylingen7922]

So putin is an amateur and zelynsky a profesional. I like that idea gives a lot of hope for ukraine.

[@kreek22]

@@cynthiavanteylingen7922 They're both amateurs, but the Z-man has highly competent allies and Putin does not.

[@horusfalcon]

@@cynthiavanteylingen7922 Very often, crisis will make professionals of amateurs. In this case, it looks like Ukraine has taken a page from Finland's playbook. I hope they make Russia pay dearly for every square centimeter of ground they take.

[@carbon1255]

@@cynthiavanteylingen7922 I wouldn't attribute logistics to the highest offices, but it is more of a economic issue. Russia does not have the money to supply an army of more than 100,000 before it suffers logistical issues. 160,000 is its max capacity to mobilize at all, and it sent as big a force as it could essentially. It was all or nothing for the Russians. It was no secret to them or us exactly how many they can field, and clearly, nor to Ukraine, who was ready to defend in depth. So far this has been textbook defence in depth, and it is no snub to any army to have stalled under these tactics to a well fortified opponent. The Allies in WW2 stalled under very similar conditions. Really this war was a gamble, a gamble that Ukraine did not expect a lightning push to Kyiv - and I think for the most part that is true- They didn't expect it but planned for it anyway. Even still, the Russians did counter plan and they did get relatively close to succeeding. Quite frankly, I think the main issue was that Ukraine had 8 years to prepare for this. I rather think Trump had an effect there, not for any personal traits except for his unpredictability- though arguably he is responsible for the current weak president too. Just as we cower from Putin seeming like a loose cannon, so was that man.

[@horusfalcon]

@@cynthiavanteylingen7922 That may be a bit of a stretch. This conflict is far from over. Mr. Putin may surprise us all just yet.

[@E1craZ4life]

The irony is that Russia presenting itself as a greater threat than it really was is almost certainly what prompted a defensive response massive enough to shatter the presented facade.

[@ismails2702]

They are a great threat but they did not as said in the video expect and prepared for the resistance

[@bebos1262]

@@ismails2702 They're only a threat because of their nuclear weapons. The myth of Russian military strength has been shattered, NATO does not have to worry about winning a hypothetical land war because they'll win it easily. The only problem is that Putin is likely willing to drag the world into doomsday if he is defeated.

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

@@bebos1262 But now I totally doubt the efficacy of their entire nuclear arsenal. I always presumed 3/4s of their warheads were duds. But now I think that even if Putin ordered an all-out strike, only a few targets would be hit, with the rest missing entirely, or being shot down by ABM shields, or exploding in their launch tubes due to incompetence or hardware failure. Don't forget that a huge portion of the Russian economy comes from weapons sales. I think this poor showing will slow down the orders.

[@cakexpress6235]

@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 Maybe their nuclear weapons aren’t that many or any good but the risk is so incredibly high.

[@jamesricker3997]

Historically whenever the Russians project strength it is to hide weakness

[@Poindogindustries]

It is astounding how well this video has stood up two months later.

[@harveywilde6781]

Agree

[@jordandino417]

9 months after the war started and It’s still true lol

[@WanukeX]

9:00 - I would disagree on the Ukrainian Defense being "Guerrilla Style", the Ukrainian Military is still functioning mostly conventionally, the more Accurate description would be "Defense in depth" or "Elastic Defense" imo.

[@richardtellez00tellez77]

Stfu it’s *gorilla warfare* there waiting in the night to ambush the Russians and shoooting rpgs out building so idk what ur talking about

[@richardtellez00tellez77]

Throwing Molotov cocktails as well

[@MattBellzminion]

Or semi-asymmetric warfare, as at least one military analyst has described it.

[@ABC-qd5oc]

A HOI4 fan aswell I see

[@MrVitek-ut8jq]

@@richardtellez00tellez77 no, as a Ukrainian I can say that there are many artillery pieces, tanks, apcs and aviation involved. It's just a strategic situation, which leads us to use infantry formations with RPGs and Stingers. Russian army is historically very mechanised, so the best counter for them are quick and flexible modern infantry with high AT capabilities. Of course, partisans are also a fact, and it's them who use Molotovs, but this is also planned and done to further increase their logistical troubles and demoralise the occupiers. Btw, it's just stupid to respond to a valid point with stfu, as this degrades the conversation and your brain's capability to prove your points. And of course, Glory to Ukraine!

[@kurts3252]

2020: Everyone is a virologist 2021: Everyone is an economist 2022: Everyone is a war analyst

[@dolans.g7259]

2019, when HBO's Chernobyl is out: Everyone is a Nuclear Physicist

[@brucequalters2153]

2023 Everyone is dead looool

[@henrycrabs3497]

@@brucequalters2153 here's hoping

[@brucequalters2153]

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[@-..l]

2024: Everyone is a part of everyone

[@AlienPain]

When an infantry Soldier makes a mistake it can cost him or her their lives. When a logistics Soldier makes a mistake many lives are in jeopardy!! Lots of responsibility and pressure.

[@nobody6032]

On both of them nonetheless.

[@joshuacox183]

I’m pretty sure the claims of logistical chaos are just our sides propaganda… When is the one time the media not only gets a pass to lie, but will brag about it later?? War time.. Everything Russia is doing is normal textbook strategy if your trying not to mass kill civilians or lose a mountain of your own soldiers.. They are not in a hurry because no one else is coming to stop them.. so there is no reason to hurry and pay the cost for it..

[@underachiever8532]

Infantry soldiers mistake could cost their whole units life. All positions have lots of responsibility and pressure

[@andyrob3259]

@@joshuacox183 100%. I’m on neither side but I do find the almost universal falling over Ukraine interesting (another oil nation coindentalljy). It’s not the most democratic nation and one that does on occasion imprison political opponents. I wouldn’t want my brother from a western military dying for a nation that gives a vague nod to democracy- it’s not France or Germany. This is looking like another ‘oil’ war more than any concern about the civil population. That’s what the media used to drum up support. And that’s something being ‘buried’ in our western MSM. Plus US companies have massive investments there.

[@markcollins2666]

In the US Army, I have done both jobs, starting with Infantry, and ending as a Logistician. You may have heard of our PLL system, which they called pull, but is prepared logistic loads. These, also known as LOGPACKS, are prepared daily, to suit each units changing needs. With good communication, it's hard to make mistakes. Little pressure, for us, but Russia' big fault, always has been, is that it NEVER rewards failure. Units that don't meet their goals and objectives, get no resupply, assets are rewarded to their winners.

[@peterbowling2410]

Outstanding presentation. Well done.

[@atubebuff]

The detail about Russia's rail network being used to ferry their military equipment explains why Ukraine disabled their own rail interconnection links with Belarus and Russia. Awesome!

[@digimaks]

This blogger is out of touch with reality, making up assumptions based on random videos. The fact is - Russia never planned to use Ukrainian railroad, since their job is to CLEAR UP the whole territory from Ukraine's military. Only an idiot would use railroad in conflict area, DUUUH! They move in columns and frontlines, clearing city after city, and encircling Urkainian army and nationalists battalions. In such operation you cannot move fast anywhere until you clear the way, so there will be no resistance in your rears.

[@atubebuff]

@@digimaks Except the Russians burned so much gas driving and their resupply lines were cut and their tanker trucks were disabled and their troops were starving and dying and their people back home were protesting that it really says a lot about why Russia's military is being called incompetent and that the devastating losses they took in WWII (which far exceeded any other army in the conflict) weren't just an accident. Hopefully the Syrians and the North Koreans can help you pick up your bodies.

[@Ragnaroz6000]

Strange how all the Russian bots are now all flocking to KZbin. What happened to Facebook and twitter?

[@grantsampson776]

@@Ragnaroz6000 Yeah, the way they're swarming you'd think an authoritarian government just...banned it, or something XD

[@kap1526]

@@digimaks and this is why they are short on gas

[@amorosogombe9650]

I've gotten more information from this 20-minute video than I have from tens of hours of watching mainstream media. Amazing job dude. Thank you.

[@cosmic_pursuit]

Same, great video. Sadly the take-away is that the more Russian logistics fail, the more deadly they become.

[@potato88872]

it very bias toward west opinion, if you can find about whot the other side think of this, you can have a more objective opinion

[@lukey666lukey]

@@potato88872 how would you do that. the russian wont give out any info with sources like this video does

[@jeremygibbs7342]

@@potato88872 From a logistical standpoint I'm sure you are correct. From a moral standpoint, Russia was at no risk of invasion from Ukraine, Ukraine gave up it's nuclear capabilities decades ago. The "loss of influence" is a terrible excuse to invade a neighbouring country. This war must end with Russia withdrawing its forces. Putin must answer to the Russian people for his crimes.

[@elenabob4953]

Adam Something has also some interesting takes.

[@Lretrotech]

This really reminds me of the winter war the soviet union carried out against the Finnish. The general idea is, a large power takes on a seemingly inferior opponent, and hopes to defeat them quickly because of that fact. Then the larger power realizes they didn’t prepare enough and they have their incompetency put on display to the world in a humiliating manner.

[@nikitajukov4915]

And it ended in favour of USSR because Hitler made up a wrong premise of what soviets can actually do.

[@christopherwang4392]

Even though the Soviet Union technically won the Winter War and gained control of Finnish border areas, Finland was still able to preserve its independence and sovereignty and avoid becoming a Soviet puppet state. I wouldn't be surprised if the current Russo-Ukrainian War ends in a similar outcome with Russia occupying Southern and Southeastern Ukraine but the rest of Ukraine in the West surviving as a free and independent nation.

[@nikitajukov4915]

@@christopherwang4392 it is really easy to avoid something that was not a goal of opposing side. Stalin wanted Finland as independent but friendly capitalist power - he got it.

[@turinturambar3592]

@@christopherwang4392 And the war was real war fight on the battlefield, there were no civilians around (they had been evacuated weeks before the war started). It was how would I say "real fair war". I'm a Finn who lost many relatives in that war and I know something about that war.

[@gulfmarine8857]

Hopefully russians wind up making Ukraine more fertile 💀💀☠☠

[@franklyncooke3207]

Thanks!

[@jimmybob331]

One of the things that you kind of did and didn't mention is that while the Russians can set up the logistics network of trainlines and pipelines, this is incredibly difficult in a country with an armed, resistant civillian population. It is also made more difficult by the fact that the Russians do not have air superiority.

[@dan8518]

Im not disagreeing with you but, I think the term Air Superiority is pretty out dated in todays combat. Air Superiority is the degree of which a side controls air power over the opposing side. And it’s hard to argue Russia doesn’t have that. they do, Ukraines Air Force hasn’t been a match for Russias so far. Imo combat today has changed “air superiority” isn’t as relavent when you’re versing opposition with high tech portable surface to ground missiles like Ukraine have. It’s impossible to gain safe zone to operate when the most Significant danger isn’t from the air. It’s like naval superiority at the start of WW1 was possible, however, in WW2 with the induction of aircraft and u-boats it was almost impossible to claim true naval superiority in disputed territory. Russia have the numbers and aircraft to gain air superiority if they wanted, but with newer weapons like the stinger, Russia gaining a safe airspace to operate in is almost impossible when the largest risk is from the ground and not the air. The airforce are far more reliant now on ground troops to gaining the superiority.

[@ssik9460]

this is partly why Russians had great success and could invade large swaths of eastern Ukraine so quickly, the Russian majority civilians didn't put up a fight, their supply lines were short and they had air superiority. Now that they're reaching the west, especially in Kiev, these 3 factors work against Russia.

[@WheelsRCool]

@@dan8518 Air superiority is EXTREMELY important in modern combat. If you don't have air superiority, the enemy can wreak havoc with your ground forces. Yes, enemy air defense systems can be dangerous, that is why you destroy the enemy's air defense and then destroy their own air force, so that you have air dominance. The Russians have thus far failed to do both of these things, and thus have been getting harried by Ukrainian aircraft and drone strikes.

[@agring8391]

@@WheelsRCool Falce. Ukranian air force was completly destroyed in first couple of days. And only some air defence left. Dont spread desinformation. You only hurting ukrain by duing so.

[@maria-ld5ly]

@@agring8391 actually, you're the one spreading misinformation. Ukrainian Army commanders informed that they knew about the airport attacks in advance, so they managed to lift the military planes into the air a couple minutes prior. granted, some airports were fucked, but the planes were up and running, and ok. that being said, Ukrainian air forces were not as advanced as russian, with older equipment and such. up until the West didn't supply newer planes and land-air type defense missiles. now, with the experienced pilots being taken out of the war and as POW (e.g the Syria bomber), the russian air forces are fucked, as the Ukrainian land-air defense is going strong.

[@SmugHomura]

Mad respect for all Ukrainians. I'm terribly sorry this has happened to you and I'm incredibly impressed by your tenacity and morale. I hope this war will blow over soon and that you get ample help with reoperations. Thank you Wendover for your hard work in fact checking and crediting as well!

[@alxnd_r6345]

Lmao they are literally 10 days into war and u are impressed. Serbs endured 5 centuries under Ottoman empire and saved their religion and tradition. And im speaking about gettin impaled from anus to necks. They are more terrible wars all the time but YOU dont care for them because its not popular enough.

[@AlexCats]

@@alxnd_r6345 because Ukraine and Russia are ‘white Europeans’, I can’t believe how racist western media actually is.

[@jamesm573]

It’s their own fault

[@salkynbekmamatisakov4304]

Why u dont impressed when USA and NATO invades Iraq and Libya?

[@AlexCats]

@@salkynbekmamatisakov4304 exactly. It’s because this involves white people being invaded.

[@brokenlegs8431]

Russia has habitually seemed skilled at leveraging their defensive advantages yet seem to struggle when being aggressors in any conflict off their soil

[@weirdo1060]

Good point. Russia seized Crimea because of pro-Putin separatists there. Russia is struggling in Ukraine's mainland since there are fewer ethnic Russians who sympathize with Moscow that can provide support.

[@bearcubdaycare]

Hmm, except their most recent defensive war was WWII, in which they nearly lost to a smaller power. It's frankly shocking how poorly Russia has done, in most conflicts over the last century.

[@pronetodrift2395]

@@bearcubdaycare Russia has always been behind western powers, and increasingly now asian, in the infrastructure needed to support modern war. This is as true in 1914 as it is in 1944 or 2022

[@averybishopmartin6964]

@@pronetodrift2395 Isn't a good majority of the Russian militaries equipment still cold war era technology?

[@SSDConker2]

@@averybishopmartin6964 Yeah, but the same could be said of a fair bit of western gear. Both Russia and the West have modernized their late Cold War era gear, with things like new optics, sensors, etc. However, the West is way ahead of Russia when it comes to equipping their infantry. Optics on rifles is standard now in western militaries, whereas Russian troops are still mostly using iron sights, even if they're rocking an AK-12, which has rails to mount shit on them.

[@UG3DBoss-54]

Damn….. it’s almost insane how all this info is already on KZbin and the war is not even over yet. Just goes to show the different times we live in and the advancement of technology. If this was the 90’s or early 2000’s, stuff like this would be found out months, if not years later.

[@rdelrosso2001]

You may wanna read Daniel Chapter 12: Verse 4, from around 550 BC/ BCE.

[@theboxygenie]

@@rdelrosso2001 "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." ?

[@User0resU-1]

Except this is not information, it's propaganda.

[@thor9563]

Yes, I agree. To preserve BOTH Russian and Ukrainian life, I would suggest: Ukraine could weaponize Russia's most successful product: VODKA. Russian troops feel abandoned, traumatized, lied to, home sick in a hostile land where neither side has a quarrel. There is One thing they would die for: Russian vodka. Ukraine should use their superior logistical abilities to distribute a train load of Russian vodka to all occupiers as a measure of 'hospitality'. A smiling Babushka pulling a wagon full of Russia's Finest, could disable a battalion of poorly led, poorly equipped poorly fed Orks in a single Friday night. Could herd them into a drunk tank and take their equipment intact. In war: A SNOCKERED FOE...is a friend! So...Let's do a little arithmetic. The 'think tank experts' are approving spending 20-40 Billion of our dollars on war machines and munitions to bludgeon a bunch of demoralized slobs who don't want to be there. 150 thousand Orks X $8 a bottle of Russia's finest: $1.2 million. Hire a battalion of Babushkas to deliver vodka to the occupiers @ $100 X 400: $40,000. Wagons and rail transport: $10,000. Total cost: $1.25 million. 150 thousand drunk Russians and their war machinery: PRICELESS! Slavo Ukraine!

[@davidadamson9105]

Yeah... you should know by now... DONBAS will NEVER be "Ukraine" again. Get THAT!!

[@joedance14]

Logistics can severely limit a commander’s options in terms of strategy or tactics. Conversely, pro-active logistics can literally “redefine the battlefield”, by making more options feasible.

[@dugiejoness5197]

It is not logistics that is the problem of the Russian army, but poverty, low technical culture, poor morale and widespread theft. Ukrainian partisans laugh that this invincible Russian army has no shoes, and they carry blankets and blankets in armored cars because they have no place to sleep. They eat food that has expired, and sometimes they have wooden vegetable crates instead of tank seats.

[@empireofyoutube7487]

@@dugiejoness5197 to add, great logistics kind of solves some of the problems of the russian military. No shoes? Get shoes from a supply drop. No place to sleep? Build a camp behind the frontline by using supplies. Expired food? Hot and fresh food from the supplies coming. Wooden vegetable crates instead of actual tank seats? More seats in the convoy coming.

[@dugiejoness5197]

@@empireofyoutube7487 Logistics is not everything, you also need to deliver something, because air on empty trucks is not enough. It is a pity that YT algorithms do not allow you to post links, you would see these Russian logistic reserves. These are dump trucks, school buses, and marked furcons. The third mobilization project of logistics will be construction wheelbarrows and baby carriages.

[@matthiaswiegand1654]

@@dugiejoness5197 I'd actually not be surprised if staff officers and below in the logistics units had sold fuel and rations - especially if they thought they are only on an exercise.

[@davidmclean5895]

@TheLatiosnlatias02 lying Russian troll 🙄

[@shompirass]

That last image of the old man on his balcony was truly heart-breaking. Incredibly well made video of a very sensitive topic. Keep up the good work!

[@zen4men]

His sadness caught my eye too

[@wheatyes2104]

@@zen4men I thought he was blind the way he was grabbing on.

[@zen4men]

@@wheatyes2104 Cannot find him again, without watching entire video. ...... You may be right. ...... I just 'felt' his energy. Just seen an old lady in a hospital with a damaged arm, who was in a village that was shelled, spilling her husband's brains over the road in death. ...... Last sight of her wandering off into the streets of whatever town the hospital was in.

[@zen4men]

@Nguyễn Chu Phú An Alexander No time. ...... And the old lady was in another video. So much tragedy in Putin's unnecessary war.

[@kevinadams9468]

Propaganda makes you cry.

[@craiglongan]

Very informative! This war is an example of how wars are very unpredictable in their outcomes. This is only one reason, among many, why wars are to be avoided unless absolutely necessary. Nations often get into wars because they assume that they are going to win, and then those assumptions do not play out.

[@__-fm5qv]

Its facinating to see how information spreads in war now with the advent of social media and smartphones. Imagine how insanely different WWII would have been if this amount of near immediate information was available for all to see.

[@スガル]

Hitler Meme lol

[@StuffandThings_]

@@スガル The British did sorta meme Hitler, actually. They used very early editing techniques like clipping tapes to make essentially a very early shitpost. Supposedly the German propaganda officials were pissed lmao.

[@skie6282]

Tbh germany probably would have taken france... for multiple reasons, including social media exposing the genocide and u.s getting heavily involved very early

[@peterpayne2219]

It strikes me that this is the first war where the soldiers might be carrying Airpods or listening to podcasts while they wait to fight

[@Noblyuntruthful]

Near infinite availability of fake doctored and spun information

[@so_phhh555]

I still remember how I woke up at 5:30 am from rockets. I did not understand anything, my cousin saw a giant explosion, which was just terrifying. I really hope it ends as soon as possible.

[@doireannk7]

U get out of Ukraine yet or even out of kiev

[@julianhermanez1694]

I hope you and your loved ones are safe and sound

[@dsh850]

You alive bro?

[@so_phhh555]

@@dsh850 we are currently safe, but we sometimes hear sirens

[@vitalijslebedevs1629]

Hey, we want to help. My country just legally approved and even encouraged volunteering for UFL. I want to join, despite the lack of army training and other things. The volunteer infopage have a requirement list, in which i don't meet the first 2 points: military and weapons handling experiences. I don't care if i don't come back, just don't want to be _sent_ back for nothing. If you have any knowledge of the practices, advice or personal contacts among volunteering forces from the ground-zero, i'd appreciate any reply. И извини што так поздно начил думать как помочь в войне. Главным считаю мир, не идеологий и политику, но надо знать и што ожидать. Слава i мир Украïни✌🙏🏼

[@meruyatechnology]

Crazy how resourceful, packed & organized your content are. This is very good intel

[@БССР-х5е]

Soon the Great Stalin will come again, to exterminate European fascism and Nazism.

[@Youtube_deleted_my_favourites]

One of the better videos of this subject that I have seen in a long time

[@choreomaniac]

1. Kyiv was also defended be flooding the plains around making it a muddy mess. 2. The Ukrainian Special Tractor Force is the surprise hero. 3. Real time satellite and AWACS info shared by NATO is likely extremely helpful behind the scenes. In fact, it allowed Ukraine to move their forces just before the attack. 4. The Russians were and are low on tires for heavy vehicles. The ones they had were not maintained and/or inferior Chinese made. A tire changes every kilometer or so I really slows down a convoy.

[@ADZ01982]

Seems Russian wheeled vehicles are suffering from serious dry rot. Seeing alot of vehicles with flat tires. Probably due to age of tires and the tough Ukrainian weather.

[@danelynch7171]

....you're really suggesting that one of the most powerful military forces on earth are being stopped up by flat tires? Really??

[@nightmarepotato5000]

@@danelynch7171 If that 60km "convoy" is anything to go by yes. Also for such a powerful force, it sure is stumbling when this was supposed to be a 15 day ordeal :)

[@neon.kalash3115]

@@danelynch7171 Lol Russia is not one of the most powerful militaries. It's not the Soviet Union.

[@Matt-re8bt]

Great video, but I think you missed an important component. The fact that the Russian soldiers were asking for directions shows that they did not have situational awareness. There are rumours that they were told they are liberators, so this this completely undermines their approach. If they really thought they were going to get directions from local Ukrainians, they certainly are not applying an appropriate level of self defence.

[@VArsovski10]

Dafuq, how do you even go like that asking questions where to go, makes absolutely no sense lol

[@junrosamura645]

@@VArsovski10 We did that quite often in Iraq. We all just assumed the common folks wanted our help. Same thing with Russian soldiers in Ukraine except they were lied to by their government that they were the good guys.

[@clycoo]

@@junrosamura645 and when they didn't help, you shot them?

[@samelioto476]

I've seen multiple videos of Russian soldiers saying they were never told that they were actually going to war, they thought they were still on maneuvers. Russia appears to be using the old Soviet model, where the top people are the only ones that know what's being planned.

[@Tomardes]

@@samelioto476 bro, it is literally Ukrainian propaganda. They cant win in real war, so they are fight in info war

[@fedorbutochnikow5312]

Above all, Ukrainians demonstrated the kind of unity and resolve that the West has been deprived of in the recent years. Ukraine reminds us all what we stand for, of the values we must uphold.

[@danilostankovic9964]

Хахахахахахаха

[@ДмитрийГарин-с8р]

Their values ​​are the glorification of the fascist criminals of the Second World War. Their values ​​are censorship and banning channels by presidential decree without any court order. Their values ​​are the burning of people who disagree with the party line in the Odessa House of Trade Unions with the full connivance of the authorities and the police. Their values ​​are neo-Nazi torchlight processions along the main streets of cities. Their values ​​are thousands of civilians killed in Donbass over the past 8 years. Are you for such values? What's wrong with you?

[@gleed7502]

@@ДмитрийГарин-с8р okay, orc

[@geopixels6886]

@@ДмитрийГарин-с8р Found the Russian troll!

[@JustMeELC]

Excellent breakdown well illustrated! Thank You

[@TruthSetsUfree100]

One issue that needs addressed is this , the Russian army is bascially conscripts who are required to join and have no incentive to fight well, vs a population which is defending its own land and is highly motivated to protect it.

[@doujinflip]

Not to mention many expected to deploy on yet another routine sabre-rattling exercise then go home, not actually get ordered into real combat.

[@specialingu]

they are local, too, the volenteers, so atleast some supplies are just "there"... until they run out anyways.

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

Maybe they should be purging officers and shooting soldiers who disobey a "not one step backwards" order. That seemed to work against the Nazis.

[@balclava4937]

Most of the world still has conscription, plus the Russian army in Ukraine is mostly the professional part, that is 900k professional, 2 million conscript. Maybe a mix of both I have no way of telling, but make no mistake there are many professional soldiers in Russia

[@Tdelliex]

@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 and get putin overthown in 5 mintutes yeah sure.

[@geckoman1011]

Nothing happens until something moves. I appreciate how Wendover takes such interest in logistics.

[@Fluorescence18]

Logistics runs the world. It is the most overseen subjects by normal people. Be it fuel, food, trade and war logistics is the base.

[@The_ZeroLine]

Wow, this is a 100x better breakdown of the big progression, big picture and many of the details of the first week or so of the invasion than anything I’ve seen and I’ve watched and reads dozens and dozens of hours from both traditional and non-traditional media.

[@NoobGamer-sc9lt]

indeed but to be fair to media they're trying to get advantage of the story and pocket some money not everyday we have war in Europe. this is the definition of capitalism

[@e1123581321345589144]

yeah, It's one of the best analysis I've seen so far.

[@sammiller6631]

@@NoobGamer-sc9lt That's not the definition of capitalism. But how many care about definitions anymore? Not many.

[@NoobGamer-sc9lt]

​@@sammiller6631 agreed as long as people not effected people don't care about anything until it hit home. this war is perfect example there're many wars with massive lost of life and suffering in last 20 years but this war is the only one that everyone talk about it let's hope EU won't shut their boarders like they did few years back and leave people to die and suffer

[@sammiller6631]

@@NoobGamer-sc9lt If Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine in 2014, today's loss and suffering need not happen.

[@YouAaVe]

Perfect! Awesome content!

[@nilloc93]

I would point out that western armies use both push and pull logistics depending on the item, things like food/water will be sent out on a consistent basis even if not asked for, just toss out what you don't use. Things like fuel, ammunition, and replacement equipment, is done on a pull system. Both systems have problems, push systems cause a lot of waste because its set up to accommodate maximum usage, while pull systems suffer from delays. Also the Russians use of unencrypted analogue radios is common in all armies, they still use encrypted primary coms, but short range personal radios are pretty universal. Its just that the Russians probably don't have the training to know what NOT to say on a plain net vs secure net. Encrypted nets are usually restricted in their use while a plain net can have quick and nonstandard conversations.

[@thor9563]

Yes, I agree. To preserve BOTH Russian and Ukrainian life, I would suggest: Ukraine could weaponize Russia's most successful product: VODKA. Russian troops feel abandoned, traumatized, lied to, home sick in a hostile land where neither side has a quarrel. There is One thing they would die for: Russian vodka. Ukraine should use their superior logistical abilities to distribute a train load of Russian vodka to all occupiers as a measure of 'hospitality'. A smiling Babushka pulling a wagon full of Russia's Finest, could disable a battalion of poorly led, poorly equipped poorly fed Orks in a single Friday night. Could herd them into a drunk tank and take their equipment intact. In war: A SNOCKERED FOE...is a friend! So...Let's do a little arithmetic. The 'think tank experts' are approving spending 20-40 Billion of our dollars on war machines and munitions to bludgeon a bunch of demoralized slobs who don't want to be there. 150 thousand Orks X $8 a bottle of Russia's finest: $1.2 million. Hire a battalion of Babushkas to deliver vodka to the occupiers @ $100 X 400: $40,000. Wagons and rail transport: $10,000. Total cost: $1.25 million. 150 thousand drunk Russians and their war machinery: PRICELESS! Slavo Ukraine!

[@TBFI_Botswana]

“Infantry wins battles, logistics wins wars.” Army General John J. Pershing Nailed it 👍

[@selinane2Seli-zw3pz]

“The amateurs discuss tactics: the professionals discuss logistics.” Napoléon.

[@TBFI_Botswana]

@@selinane2Seli-zw3pz To be fair - he got that wrong invading Russia back in the day 😁

[@relaxer1148]

@@TBFI_Botswana Well, he did somehow reach Moscow for sometime.

[@is3t]

@@relaxer1148 He reached Moscow but that was part of the russian's plan, I mean they didn't even try to stop them from reaching the city and in the end, taking Moscow, was useless and it just made things even worse for the french army

[@Liberation_from_the_matrix]

@@is3t He didn't think Russians would go as far as burning one of their jewel cities. Then they got "wintered".

[@nicoz4122]

Great content ! One point was missed is the nature of the terrain. When it is frozen, then there are still ways to go through offroad. But, depending on the weather, with spring, the terrain becomes more muddy thus much more complicated to "drive" offroad. There is even a word for these conditions: Rasputitsa which might be the true reason why the ground invasion has stalled so far.

[@Lochness19]

Some think part of the reason the Russians advanced further in the south is that the south is drier and less muddy.

[@dugroz]

So time is on Ukraine's side, then?

[@specialingu]

@@dugroz probably not, i dont know how long the muddy season lasts, but once its over, it would make offroading viable

[@HH-le1vi]

@@specialingu if Putin doesn't resolve this in a month Russia is going to be thrown into a state it won't get out of unless Putin is overthrown and I wouldn't be surprised if someone is planning an assassination

[@so2easy]

@@HH-le1vi in the game of War, people dont make hasty decisions and usually plan out all of their moves and counter moves. People are underestimating this, how can you take something so serious and think so blatantly, or stupidly is beyond me. Carpet bombing = no cities, no army to fight against, but hey.. its not a USA led war.

[@scottjackson1420]

I feel very close to Ukraine, having adopted a boy from Luhansk. I spent a lot of time there, and in Kiev. This lovely, sad country has my full support.

[@Eiad.Alhamed]

What an incredible report. I've been searching for something like this for 2 weeks. None of the mainstream media is providing anything like this, so kudos man. Great work!

[@Т1000-м1и]

That's what the need for mainstream appeal does to what we now call "content-creation". People who are barely holding on, everyday going to job, coming home and sleeping. No care to look further into anything. Just having something to think "that's kind of a big thing" for some moments. 42. Edit: also dis comment has 69 likes, so, the mandatory.

[@richgoodwin929]

Dos please look up Jimmy Dore and you will get the WHY, rather than the WHAT

[@Mr___f]

What media are you following? Most media sites (minus Fox) have articles on the logistical issues. Obviously nothing this in depth though

[@BlackVirtue]

This is basically same propaganda shit as on mainstream media, only with some technical terminology sprinkled on top.

[@weeliano]

In short. A functioning logistics is freaking important! Brilliant documentary as always!

[@БССР-х5е]

Soon the Great Stalin will come again, to exterminate European fascism and Nazism. 🇷🇺⭐🇧🇾

[@septerjj3141]

@@БССР-х5е fake and gay

[@kingace6186]

"Infantries win battles. Logistics win wars." True during WW1, and still true over a century later.

[@hngbros8346]

True even millenia ago. The common theme among successful militaries from Assyria to Rome to China to Britain has always been logistics. Food stores, communication networks, equipment maintenance, roads. Some things never change.

True. Russian logística so bad that 1/3 of Ukraine is under Russian control in less than two weeks.

[@phantomsoldier497]

@ and who says they control 1/3 of the country? They control mostly roads, most cities and towns are still in Ukranian hands

[@wargames43]

@ Having control because you ran out of fuel and food is allot more different than actually having a solid front line. Even is the russians "Control" those area's its unsave for russian troops because there is allot of unrest and guerilla tactics....

[@onylra6265]

@@ivanzhirkov2581 You're missing the point perhaps - if Russia was fighting a proper military this 'special operation' would've been over last week. Putin wants to project an image of strength, but this performance makes his army look like a basket case that would struggle to overrun Ukraine even if there was no real resistance.

[@pr0xZen]

Awesome production 👌 For anyone who would like. An even deeper dive into this subject and similar ones, I would like to suggest the channel Perun. Excellent and informative, a bit simpler visual style, more like a podcast or presentation. Each video usually 30-60 minutes once a week. Ish.

[@thabomuso6254]

This is a brilliant video and made the slow-down of the Russian offensive north of Kiev far more comprehensible. Getting supplies beyond the rail heads have been a big problems since, well, the invention of trains. It was a reocurring and serious problem for both the Wehrmacht and the Red Army in World War II. But there are still things that I don't understand. 1. First of all why take the risk to launch this invasion if Russia didn't have enough trucks to both transport ammunition used by their heavy artillery and provide fuel for their armored forces at the same time? 2. Secondly, There is a distance of about 135 kilometers from the Russian border to Kiev if one drives on any of the major highways. That simply should not be a major problem for a modern mechanized army. Even an army of infantry on foot with horse drawn artillery, like the Wehrmacht in 1941, could complete such an advance within a week . 3. I looked at the terrain around the highways from Russian going southwards to Kiev. There are harvested fields almost all the way. A few lines of trees line the roads. Even multiple well planned ambushes with anti-tank weapons should be detected and destroyed in advance by scouts, helicopters, satellites, drones and airdropped special forces. How come the Ukranians are able to attack and ambush Russian armored columns at all in such terrain. 4. Also Russian armored vehicles are supposed to advance in battle line formation if they fear counter-attacks from Ukrainian forces. Why are they moving in a congested column along the roads that ensure traffic jams? Even with the Rasputitsa/mud season has started, they should largely be able to move across the fields? Or would that be too difficult? 5. This video mentions that the Ukrainians destroyed their own rail infrastructure. Nice, but the Russians should have anticipated this and employed rail constructions units rebuilding them. Why didn't they do that from the start? 6. This video also mentions that the Ukrainians destroyed their own bridges leading to Kiev from the north. Nice, but the Russians should have anticipated this and bridge engineer units to construct pontoon bridges and that only takes hours at the most. Why didn't they do that from the start? 7. Can the explanation simply be that the Russians betted on seizing the airport close to Kiev with airborne units and then conduct an airlifted armored assault on Kiev before it had properly mobilized defensive forces there? And how come the Russians used such small units to seize that airport when Russia has more airborne (and heavily armored with air support) forces than the rest of the world combined? 8. Or is the explanation as simple as Russian soldiers largely having no appetite to kill human beings (Ukrainians) or risk being killed by people who have effectively done them no harm, while the Ukrainians have a good reason to kill and risk their lives? I know that I would desert at first opportunity if I was a Russian soldier. 9. This military operation is so far surely a fiasco, but I wonder how it could have been that poorly planned? Did the Russians really underestimate Ukraine that much? The Russian generals aren't inexperienced or stupid, so what is the problem? I know that the Crimean Peninsula was largely subdued in a day followed up by Russian reinforcements. Maybe the Russian military thought that it would be just as easy to conquer Kiev? This is all so weird.

[@MossAnimals]

Great questions. Weird is right

[@noicitytheepic8553]

Only one. Underestimating the Ukranians that they will not even resist. That is the most key factor, Overconfidence.

[@dubdadabooda1038]

First they lie about Ukrainians wanting be under Russia to justify so many their aggressive moves, then they start believing this.

[@sammiller6631]

@@gags730 How do you know Russian troops weren't looting stores? That happens in most wars.

[@hotbeefo]

Regarding the tanks using the roads and not the fields, there is an excellent twitter thread by a tyre expert. He details how the images we've seen so far indicate poor tyre maintenance and quality resulting in anything that doesn't have tank tracks needing to use the road.

[@2serveand2protect]

Just as a side-note! Pipelines are even easier to BLOW UP than "trucks" and "convoys" - much more difficult to keep secure, and much more difficult to REPAIR once blown - even with all the protection they might get, so "putting down a pipeline" is sure as hell no "solution" for making troops advance.

[@zuthalsoraniz6764]

Yep, it's only a solution if you have full control over the territory and airspace behind the frontline, which Russia at this point pretty clearly does not have.

[@balam314]

Look at how much damage those farmers are doing with tractors, and think what they could do to a pipeline with a single hammer...

[@linc0292]

@@zuthalsoraniz6764 all you know is the bs this fake news tell you

[@MythicRealTrap]

True, they can’t defend a mile long temporary pipeline lol. Anyone can literally take a c4 at night and place it anywhere where someone is not watching. Hell, even a javelin missile can do it far away lol

[@niklasloow1995]

@@MythicRealTrap A 15mm/ 1/2" drillbit and half an hour and you got 50 holes in the fucker. And it wont make a big boom sound

[@arbyyyyh]

Thanks for making this, I'm sure you find this testimonial as upsetting as I find giving it, but you just gave a better explanation of what's going on in Ukraine/Russia than I've heard in all the "news" that I've watched since this all began. Fascinating to see how much social media factored into combat tactics.

[@hcpalmer]

I don't think most informed people think that. But there are inherent flaws in Russia's military organizational structures and doctrine when in theater which can and will be exploited. In either case even if they manage to gain complete control of all of Ukraine they will never be able to hold and govern a country and people who do not want to be under the boot of the Kremlin, they will face an insurgency for at the very least a decade. Russia has already lost this war no matter what happens in the next few days, weeks, months, or years. Speaking of logistics, Russia literally doesn't have the man power or resources to pacify a country of 40 million people who don't want them there...so like I said either way Russia has fucked itself.

[@so2easy]

@@hcpalmer thats only if you think russia plans to conquer Ukraine.

[@Sarefsx]

@@so2easy deposing Ukrainian government and installing a puppet government won’t stop Ukrainians from fighting, so they will have to conquer it completely in order to completely subdue the country

[@letsburn00]

The problem is that the media is desperate to keep viewers. At least 40% the population would say "I don't want a 20 minute video about boring stuff like Logistics" and change the channel. So the news makes stuff that is either 2 minutes or full of emotional opinion.

[@hcpalmer]

@@so2easy Outside of the U.S. State Department's (a institution that I neither trust or like) claims that a full scale invasion of Ukraine was about to take place, most people - including myself - thought it was absurd that Russia would invade, and even if they did they wouldn't go beyond the two separatists areas. But here we are with Russia actively trying to take down the capital of a sovereign nation state and install a vassal government loyal only to the Kremlin, and they are willing to premeditatedly murder Ukrainians in persuit of this immortal goal.

[@richardacevedo280]

I was in the sixth grade in 1979, when one of my school teachers told us that it was not that Russia didn't have food. The problem was that some of the food even got rotten on the trains because Russia lacked adequate ways to transport its products. With time, two masters, and sufficient experience at three fortune 500 companies, I learned how important logistics is for any kind of operation. It's also not a trivial subject to master.

[@Darca1n]

Well said, this. It doesn't matter how much you have in terms of supplies if you don't have the logistics to get it where it needs to be.

[@paulshearer9140]

This is without a doubt the best overview of the Ukrainian/Russian conflict, and in particular the logistical issues faced by the Russians, I have seen so far. Thank you. Slava Ukraini from Australia!

[@mrst8086]

Heroyam slava!

[@markkusvibrittanica3513]

Heroiam Slava!

[@javiervega1065]

How can you say that when the conflict isn't even over... he's just repeating us imperial cia talking points in a nerdy voice

[@tanker00v25]

@@javiervega1065 ok bot

[@agenthex]

"Slava Ukraini", pretty funny given this is basically the ukrainian version of "sieg heils", popularized by ukrainian nazi sympathizers during ww2, and then reintroduced by the post 2014 ultra-nationalist gov.

[@Rafedial1]

Russia thought this was an easy skirmish. They have since showed up with undertrained personnel, Outdated hardware and equipment. Lacking forethought, planning and reserves. For an already broken economy, what did they expect?

[@wartome3196]

Russia didn't expect NATO to send in military grade equipment to fight a war against them? Really? You don't think so? LOL.. Keep getting fake news from real state media. How do you think this video was paid for? Taxes

[@Askhat08]

Russia is saving the best equipment, forces and tech to use it against NATO, not Ukraine.

[@Tayzzy-h2g]

@@Askhat08 best equipment? What all 80 of their T-90m? All 14 of their T-14 Armatas? All 3 of their functional Su-57's? The ghost of their su-75's? What they sent to Ukraine IS their best equipment.

[@brockwalls1413]

@@wartome3196 The way Putin has been crying and whining about it being “unfair”, it’s pretty clear he didn’t expect this kind of global response.

[@dbergerac9632]

@@Askhat08 Yes. And when Russia attacks a non-nuclear power in NATO, NATO will stand and watch once Putin puts his nuclear forces on alert. No ONE is slinging nukes over Ukraine. Using nukes is suicidal so they really only exist to prevent existential threats to those who have them. Any nation who thinks that a treaty puts them under someone else's "nuclear umbrella" is deluded. Heads Up! Poland. When any nuclear power decides to go invading places, no one will step in the way. See: US Military history. Russia learned the rules of the game. If Nato will not fight today for Ukraine, they will not fight for NATO tomorrow.

[@EnglishroG]

British Field Marshal Archibald Wavell: “It takes little skill or imagination to see where you would like your army to be, and when; it takes much knowledge and hard work to know where you can place your forces and whether you can maintain them there. A real knowledge of supply and movement factors must be the basis of every leader’s plan; only then can he know how and when to take risks with those factors; and battles and wars are won only by taking risks.”

[@meminustherandomgooglenumbers]

"Amateurs discuss tactics, professionals discuss logistics." - Napoleon

[@EiHelveta]

Wasn't Wavell a below mediocre commander who struggled to put any meaningful resistance against the Japanese?

[@EnglishroG]

@@EiHelveta He suffered from being disliked by Churchill. His choice of subordinate commanders was also mixed. Gott and O'Connor were good, Irwin was bad and Bill Slim was probably the best British senior commander of the war.

[@onylra6265]

@@EnglishroG Wavell is one of the most unfortunate figures in military history, his career was so cursed - he was almost certain to achieve total victory in Africa and the ME when Churchill demanded intervention in Greece. Churchill hated him because he made him look foolish in the eyes of history by being right and wise. He wasn't the only commander to get served a hopeless shit sandwich and be scapegoated for it - but it's worth remembering and praising him for not totally shitting the bed, and indeed for laying the foundations of final victory. Infrastructure isn't as sexy as posing dramatically in an armoured car, dashing around getting people killed for a few grains of sand (Rommel...), but that's the stuff that wins wars and why historians look kindly upon Wavell in hindsight.

[@in4mal_baker270]

Read this as Alfred in "Pennyworth".

[@mariomansur]

Great Documentary , lot's of Información , Well Done ! !

[@zarakzia]

There was a Twiiter thread by a Russian scholar about the state of the Russian military. Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov - appointed in 2007 - he led much needed reforms to modernise the army. He reorganised the makeup of military units to reflect western standards; reduced the size of the officer corps to prioritise quality over quantity; streamlined the process to churn out new military hardware tailer-made for modern warfare; improved accountabiliy of the budget by monitoring expenses much strictly. These reforms allowed the Russian military to evolve into a sophisticated modern armed force. So why the Russians managed to royally fuck-up the entire invasion through sheer shocking incompetence? Well, the minister that I just mentioned was apparently fired for - and here's the surprise: for doing his fucking job in 2012. The fine chap apparently made a lot of enemies within the defence ministry. Many detested him for being a civilian (In Russia, DMs are usually a high ranking military officer) and being a competent person because competency spares no space for corruption, which the officers obviously didn't like. In his place, a compliant dude named Sergey Shoigu was appointed as DM. He's a general, which is a plus for the MoD general staff and a good obedient kid, who will turn a blind eye to any anomalies within the MoD. The end result is something I don't think I have to reiterate.

[@UmbraWeiss]

You just described the reason why Dictatorships don't develop in the same rate than other countries with a democracy :)) China for example let's people to be more free and they can get high positions if they are capable, in Russia you can get a position only if you are one of the chosen one, so the pool of intelligent people is almost 0.

[@kappaspinning4832]

@@UmbraWeiss hm... Putin was elected, switching leadership every 4 year between A and B doesn't make you more democratic and better than having a competent leader for more years. Don't tell me you wouldn't want obama for few more years instead of having to go through donald trump and biden. And if you put political aligments aside, as a leader, putin is definitly more competent than any of these guys. From another comment, if aliens comes to negotiate and wants to speak with the human leader, you will probably choose putin as representative over anyone else.

[@hashtagunderscore3173]

Putin's latest war calls into question his current competence.

[@SovietReunionYT]

@@kappaspinning4832 The first part of your comment is spot on, but then your brain falls out when you start praising Putin... Hell, I'd take even Trump over Putin. Incompetent evil is less terrible than semi-competent evil.

[@JohnSmith-zv8km]

I imagine the guy was fired because he was not corrupt

[@agactual2]

I like how pompous and slick the Russian forces looked building up for the invasion but how they quickly devolved into a disorganized, confused mess as soon as they get into battle.

[@BlaBla-su2yh]

@jhdg they lost the first war in chechnya because they couldn't manage to break the chechen will to fight. This will get much more brutal soon, just like chechnya

[@brockwalls1413]

@jhdg what has Russia won in the last 70 years? Got locals to do the dirty work in Vietnam, got bullied by guerrilla warfare in the Middle East, and they’re pretty clearly getting their shit pushed in here, and that will only get worse if they try escalating.

[@voidwalker9223]

@jhdg lol no they’re not. Go away troll. Russia is weak and they now embarrassed them selves. The real battle starts with insurgency. This is Chechnya x10 with huge intel support from nato. This is going to be a long long battle all while Russian economy is in decline. If Putin just left this all alone he could have died with a decent reputation. Now he looks weak, Russian military looks weak, Russia looks weak, Russia IS weak. Their nuclear weapons are the only thing that anyone is taking seriously. But than again even the shithole of North Korea is also taken somewhat seriously because of nukes other than that the west is solely the most dominant power to ever exist.

[@اسماعيلالخطابالسندي]

@@voidwalker9223 'The west is the most dominant power to ever exist' The west is not a power, it's a collection of powers. It's also not the most dominant force in history, but yeah I see what you mean.

[@cakexpress6235]

@@اسماعيلالخطابالسندي Tbf if we (hypothetically) didn’t have nukes, the only army NATO would really struggle against is probably China.

[@alwaysmeepin9609]

They have the logistical capability of an average Hoi4 player.

[@walmartmiku]

agreed

[@Baul3680]

Russian high command is probably full with Paradox gamers.

[@MrNicoJac]

OOF

[@alwaysmeepin9609]

@the V Yeah but Russia has a massive border with Ukraine, the US is halfway across the world from the countries they dealt with.

[@adarshmohapatra5058]

@the V The US can take over countries like Iraq, which was one of the strongest in the middle-east, second only to Iran, in less than a month, despite being across the globe. Russia is taking time to take a country just bordering it. Not saying that either of those wars are a good thing, but it speaks about the logistics.

[@ScottishJazzman]

It would be cool to see an updated position on this video, particularly given the strategic importance of the Kerch Bridge into Crimea and the occupied Tokmak rail hub, and that they are both under threat as of September 2023.

[@elibrod9981]

Don’t forget the hundred billion price tag that all those brainless Joes cheering in the comments are coughing up now..))

[@harveywilde6781]

Yeah, good suggestions. Cutting off the land bridge to Crimea is important to distrup their logistics.

[@unspeakable6661]

Clearly nobody in the Russian military has played hoi4

[@kl5980]

I'm Ukrainian, but Russians who were playing with me paradox strategies were trying to migrate and criticized their current government. Smartest people in Russia are opposed to Putin and organized crime, therefore their most essential state structures have huge brain leakage

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@kl5980 The thing, smart people are a minority:/ Especially in Russia.

[@mpa6546]

Now I know to put more mils on trucks