The Failed Logistics of Russia's Invasion of Ukraine

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Writing by Sam Denby and Tristan Purdy
Research by Sam Denby, Tristan Purdy, Christine Benedetti, and Alexander Williard
Editing by Alexander Williard
Animation led by Josh Sherrington
Sound by Graham Haerther
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Select footage courtesy Getty and AP; Select imagery courtesy Geolayers; Select music courtesy Epidemic sound

[@Wendoverproductions]

Please keep in mind that this comments section is very likely to have disinformation actors/trolls due to the nature of this conflict. It's likely not representative of actual opinions.

[@martinhg1977]

Don’t worry, Sam. You have a faithful audience standing by your side. This is by far the best video you’ve made (even better than the ones of Guam and St. Helena). Keep up the good work!

[@VV-wc4bg]

I don't think you have enough objective data to make declarations about Russian supply lines. There is absurd propaganda from both sides of the conflict. Given your lack of objective verifiable data, your video is effectively part of the propaganda you are decrying. I understand that it is in your monetary interest to make videos on current topics, but it would be more forthright (and serve your audience better) if you made clear the highly speculative nature of your video and didn't use clickbait titles. Overall your videos are very good and I have recommended them to friends before. Of course, ultimately, you could be completely correct, so I am not saying you're wrong.

[@SupbarXD]

@@VV-wc4bg thank you, Vladi Vladi.

[@westrim]

Oh, I'm sure there are some True Believers out there, even outside the Russosphere and Sinosphere, and lots of Whataboutists. And there is the salient point that by usual metrics we're still very early in this invasion. But that point was made in the first weeks of the pandemic, and here we are, millions of deaths later because so many failed to take it seriously. Having a point isn't the same as being right, and you're right; Russian logistics and strategy have been visibly substandard. Even if they do pull out a victory, that doesn't change their failure to destroy Ukrainian air defenses in the first hours, failure to effectively advance their supply chain, and failure to support deep strikes like the paratroopers that got stranded at the airports they attacked when their relief never came.

[@theusername000000000]

This whole platform is disinformation lol.

[@moneysins]

“Infantry wins battles, logistics wins wars” *All hail Lord General Amazon*

[@ac1455]

The Bezos Musk alliance will conquer the martians with their supply convoys of reusable rockets and Amazon robots

[@dermittelfinger5903]

@@ac1455 amazon wouldnt supply a bottle of water if musk would be on fire.

[@dagdamor1]

Max0r Ace Combat 7 PTSD flashbacks

[@Ass_of_Amalek]

hail president field marshal bezos!

[@janedoeYT]

@@dagdamor1 "I heard you ordered a package from me, and didn't get it in time. Well now I'm here, and that package is death. Prepare to die."

[@omarawad946]

When there's logistics and supply chain involved, you know this is the go-to channel!

[@sprucegoose6933]

It's barely been 10 days and here comes Wendover with his armchair general-ish analysis. I think he should just stick with what he knows best -- civil aviation and economics, not military stuff.

[@alexanderphilip1809]

@@sprucegoose6933 logistics is an imperative part of long term military operations. Think it was Gen. Bradley who said that amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics. that bsing said strategizing is a mentally engaging venture and allows you to prepare.

[@killercon2735]

@@sprucegoose6933 someones mad

[@The1Liner]

@@sprucegoose6933 and why is that

[@Fordragon]

@@sprucegoose6933 look who's mad that Russia is being called out for being amateurs.

[@trueriver1950]

The logistics "push" approach is a holdover from the Soviet-era doctrine of planning everything centrally. Civilian supplies were planned five years at a time, so the military was positively speedy in comparison

[@idaboi8378]

yes and no It is a holdover from the USSR but, not because of that but because the Red Army planned for a nuclear war, in which "pull" logistics wouldn't work as the EMP tied to a nuclear detonation would fry communications

[@arthas640]

@@idaboi8378 I thought they operated off a similar system in WW2? That sounds like a rhetoric question but I'm honestly not 100% sure. I know they were more rapine and pillaged/looted more but I thought they also did that since their Imperial days since it's a much older, simpler logistics system and is also just generally more popular with dictatorships since it allows for far more control from the capital and removes some power from officers

[@concept5631]

​@@arthas640 Russia has always looted and pillaged. Regardless of ideology or government.

[@arthas640]

@@concept5631 pretty much. If you're interested the book "Prisoners of Geography" by Tim Marshall does a great job explaining many of Russia's and other countries political attitudes and motivations since despite going from princedoms, republics, kingdoms, and empires to communism and presidential dictatorships they really havent changed their MO much since the Mongol invasions.

[@concept5631]

@@arthas640 Wonder what the Kievan Rus would've become had the Mongols not ruined everything

[@StYxXx]

Or to put it into words of a NATO analyst: Russian military is designed to defend the country. And so relying for example on its rail network makes sense. But it's not good for offensive actions. The US military is the opposite: It's built to attack other countries, no matter where on the planet. And they have the experience to do so. It's also quite logical from an historical point of view how their militaries developed during the last centuries. I wouldn't say that very western country would be better with logistics, it's also a matter of experience and they're pretty dependend on each others (just think about the retreat from Afghanistan - hardly a logistical masterpiece). Of course there are also other factors, like stricter hierarchy within the Russian military, different approach to morale and training. So it's not a good military for invading other countries and having to fight there for a long time. And when intelligence fails and the leaders think it'll be just a short trip without resistence failure is imminent. Invading Russia on the other side might be hard for any attacker. Maybe they should've sticked to defense...

[@stackhat8624]

All correct but the thing is NATO countries knew this about the Russian military. They knew how inadequate the Russian military was to stage an invasion of a country the size and population of Ukraine. Factor in Russia's poor economy, poor manufacturing and poor technology, especially weapons and equipment required for an offensive operation. And traditionally Russia has been an inward looking country obsessed with defending itself as you point out. Plus Putin is nothing but a thug dictator with no vision or plans. His only interests are in retaining power for the sake of power and accumulating wealth. But the fearmongering about Russia from the media was huge before the invasion. People seem to think Russia=USSR. The Russian military is a pale imitation of the USSR. The only winner out of this war will be weapons manufacturers.

[@Tam0de]

The US should get rid of its Department Of Defense. In its place will be the properly named Department Of Offense. Modern, straightforward & makes perfect sense.

[@cryptonewbie5210]

Even Canada has excellent logistics as by the very nature of our location we need to support troops half a world a way as a normal everyday situation....

[@cryptonewbie5210]

@@Tam0de It was originally called the War Department which is also more accurate

[@karlshorstzwei]

Yeah, exactly. Maybe they shouldn't have invaded, no? Then Ivan and Vasyl could be at home and celebrate Easter in peace.

[@M1A1SteakSauce]

They aren’t sanctions. They’re special economic operations.

[@BENTIEY.]

i see what you did there, lol.

[@kreek22]

Sanctions may well harm the rest of the world more than Russia. Got wheat?

[@captaineflowchapka5535]

@@kreek22 yhea but the rest of the wolrd produce wheat too , isolating one country harm some sector bust most harm is done to the isolated country

[@qad951]

@@captaineflowchapka5535 u r funny Know the economy We get more hurt by sanctioning Russia Btw gemany may well be going backwards but they can't show it yet

[@functhefucc5798]

@@qad951 russia isn't as important to the world than a lot of people think. This isn't the US or China.

[@ryanfox4462]

This is better produced than half the docs I've seen on any war, let alone one that's currently going on.

[@ghiorghetatarescu3649]

Most war documentaries are produced it us and are very biast, they are either 6 hours long documentaries about a semi important battle wich the us won or "the truth about *insert verry well known historical fact favorbly about natzis*" and they are pseudo-historic

[@onee]

Half of the pseudo documentaries you see don't go any further than Russia bad, Ukraine good. Or replace Russia and Ukraine with pretty much any other two countries at war. Whatever country your own country wants you to support, will go and interview victims of the side they support.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

This video is grossly premature, but it seems everyone on KZbin is in a rush to capitalize on the latest sensational news. For context, the surrender of France in WW2 after Germany's 'lightning' campaign that everyone loves mocking them for, was after 7 weeks of fighting. Even Poland took them over a month to beat. And more recently, the US took 6 weeks to win Iraq. Hell, this is an active warzone, so how do civilian content creators seemingly know so much about the nitty gritty of everything? Is Wendover part of US intelligence or something?

[@neodym5809]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn Russian media published victory articles last weekend, telling how Russia conquered Ukraine with almost no resistance and how quickly their government fell. This week, European media got letters that it is illegal for them to broadcast into the Russia`s Ukraine. You do not need to have US intel, the Russians were so kind to publish their thoughts themselfs.

[@DarKHorsE84]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn what are you talking about? This information has been out for decades over Russian militarys logistics. Go read more, this is a great video that puts more information about one of the real issues that Russia is facing on a hard terrain and why they are having lulls in bombarded enemies positions because they need to be reloaded so frequently and have to wait for resupplies but their lack of trucks and forcing them to use the roads which leads to ambushes is what's dragging their wishful thinking of fast war.

[@viperz3r016]

"Infantry wins battles, Logistics wins wars" -John Perishing

[@The1976spirit]

Infantility likes to deny the lesson until complete destruction.

[@Itried20takennames]

There is a supposed story from WW2 where an Axis soldiers and his buddies captured a shipment of US supplies, and found it contained various baked goods, shipped from the US in a short time and still fresh. And the soldier said he realized that if the US had the logistic resources to rush ship cup cakes and pies to their troops, while his side struggled to even supply ammo or fuel without huge delays…..that their side was doomed.

[@arthas640]

I've heard a few similar stories. Right after WW2 in Germany some Soviet soldiers were shocked when they found out some American soldier got a cake mailed to him from his family in the US on his birthday. The Japanese were similarly shocked when they found out regular enlisted men in the US were getting better tobacco, sugar, and even ice cream at a time when their own officers were smoking tobacco that was mostly filler and things like sugar and ice cream were virtually unheard of in the military.

[@joedance14]

Excellent summary! “Amateurs think tactics, professionals think logistics.” Thank-you for pulling together all these bits of information.

[@owarida6241]

And an excellent commander think both.

[@wiretamer5710]

Amateurs are also obsessed with morality. To clarify. A lot of people get tied in knots about how terrible war is. If you do this, it is impossible to maintain a clear head about WHAT is happening, the consequences of events as they occur, and how they are likely to effect things later.

[@VisionStudios1]

100%

[@nathanlevesque7812]

@@wiretamer5710 .-. do you need help

[@thomaspaine1776]

Union vs Confederate forces in a nutshell.

[@uss_04]

Wendover always managed to make Logistics endlessly fascinating and relevant.

[@andredeketeleastutecomplex]

He's still a liar though. He need to go back to school and do more math.

[@OxyGankers]

@@andredeketeleastutecomplex hE nEeD tO gO bAcK tO sChOoL aNd Do MoRe MaTh

[@mr.boomguy]

@@andredeketeleastutecomplex And heeeeeere we go~

[@redned7771]

@@andredeketeleastutecomplex and you need to do less meth

[@zebjensen4251]

Tsun zu would be proud. He knows the importance of logistics as dose our KZbinr.

[@natopeacekeeper97]

Awesome video very well done making the complex subject of military logistics simple. Great Job Guys!

[@stefanniemiec8727]

I remember studying WW2 at school. WW2 in Europe was won by a combination of materiel & logistics support into Europe, and Russian ability to move their forces within the borders of Russia - coupled with the harsh winter in Eastern Europe plains (Ukraine & Western Russia). It seems nothing has changed. US can ship its materiel very effectively globally (good for empire building) Russia is focused within its borders. (Good for defense of 'motherland')

[@0MoTheG]

One reason why Germany could not go on after 1942 was their overstretched logistics network. They could not build enough railroads nor protect them. Their trucks were too few and worn out. Road conditions were too poor. Amazing Russia didn't learn from their enemies mistakes.

[@shanedavison7473]

The U.S. is like the Empire in Star Wars. Russia is just trying to survive. They don't like the idea of U.S. missiles in Eastern Ukraine a few miles from their capitol.

[@osheridan]

@@shanedavison7473 "just trying to survive" by picking wars for fun, okay

[@shanedavison7473]

@@osheridan Do you know the 9 year history of the conflict in Ukraine? If you don't you can watch Redacted News.

[@Vapor817]

@@shanedavison7473 even now nato is still blueballing zelensky by refusing ukraine's entry. if the chance is still low despite everything that's happened then it wouldve been basically zero had russia never bothered invading

[@mwa1254]

And this is why KZbin is so successful, people like you who are able to create such great content that the regular tv just fails to get right at all today!

[@nelsonc6173]

Huh? The material covered in this doc has been covered in a ton of Media...on Tv and online for years.

[@phoenix5054]

True. KZbin is full of passionate people with hours to discuss topics without the time constraints of linear TV.

[@rcane6842]

guy has shallow idea on how daily news work, the time it takes to make one, versus the content mashers in YT

[@devvv4616]

@@nelsonc6173 the thing is you can look it up yourself instead of waiting for the right programs or hoping the channel you're watching is good. way more control

[@Hirvee5]

There were at least a couple of mistakes delivered in the video with full confidence that I cought. It also paints overly optimistic image so In at least my head a lot of propaganda alarms are going off. Rockets for example aren't that difficult to transport and you can defenitely fit many of them into a truck. It is the cruise missiles that are the expensive ones. Also as far as I can tell Anonymous isn't an radio amateur oraganization at all. Actually disturbing the Russian radio communications probably takes a bit more than what was mentioned on the video. Not that much but a bit. At least based on something I have heard from some radio amateur friends.

[@Mondo_Monchi]

And if a KZbinr can put this all together, imagine what the intelligence community is making of it!

[@Baghuul]

This is my exact thought. Kids these days can take visual data from hundreds of sources and feed it through programs and algorithms ect... What does that say of the upper up echelons of the intelligence community. Is the Russian intelligence this shoddy? dont they have the top minds that can work around this? to anticipate what enemy nations are compiling? idk

[@Bolsonaro_em_Haia]

I assume that many high ranking military officers, particularly within OTAN, are welcoming the fresh information on Russian military capabilities and deficiencies. That can only be a boost to their ability to exploit the weaknesses and prepare for the strengths. And all the while chipping away at Russia's international dignity and making their opponents appear more necessary.

[@richardkalmwater5996]

The CIA is too busy taking diversity classes to do their real jobs.

[@Obyvvatel]

@@Baghuul I'd say yes and no, people often assume that because something is military then it's top quality, but i think it depends on the country, which aspect, etc

[@johnnypockets1081]

Who named them “intelligence”… I’m guessing they did lol

[@scottonandrew]

First rule of attacking another country: Never assume the best case. Shit will go wrong. Enemy troops will fight harder than expected. Expect and plan for the worst case. If the worst case does not occur, you can be happily surprised!

[@osheridan]

Yeah lmao, Putin really said "2 days" 💀

[@bolobalaman]

Too bad u can't really expect such healthy and logic view from a dictatorship who love hearing sweet lies .

[@ishkanark6725]

Shh

[@jtch912]

When Amazon has better logistics than the Russian military

[@arthas640]

Fun fact: many aid organizations including the Red Cross have worked with Coke to get aid in remote areas because Coke has better planning skills and better logistic networks than most governments. I've heard some axis soldiers knew the war was over when they found out American soldiers had cold bottles of Coke miles just behind the front line

[@nitesy381]

Its amazon. What did you ecpect

[@ukraineme96]

Comparing to Amazon is overkill. Amtrak has better logistics than the Russian military.

[@balagadoo]

to be fair, Amazon's entire trillion-dollar business is based on moving stuff from 1 place to another so you'd expect them to have mastered it

[@anxiousearth680]

Maxor as alt future Jeff Bezos: "Your package has arrived. It is death."

[@slidebean]

Fantastic, thorough video. Shows how quickly and effectively your research team can move. Logistics.

[@AxxLAfriku]

🚨🚨🚨 AAAAAAHHHHH!!! 🚨🚨🚨 school is sooooo boring i am in 8th grate and its so boring i am having sucess on youtube so i think i will drop out of school. i dont have friends so i need your opinon sli

[@veramae4098]

How long are we going to put up with this? NATO was created for joint defense, but is it supposed to tie the hands of its members to act as sovereign nations?? France is not part of NATO, nor Finland or Sweden or Switzerland. Act!!!

[@DigiFoxman]

@@veramae4098 France is part of NATO

[@angryman132]

@@DigiFoxman u are special needs

[@approxpurified]

@@AxxLAfriku yu

[@weenisw]

Wendover is clearly trying to villainize trains in order to forward his pro-airplane agenda

[@yourneighbour304]

Angry Adam something noices

[@TravisFabel]

We're going to have to check his portfolio for his C-17 holdings...

[@CoffeeKitty.]

adam something vs wendover, the duel of the century

[@ValiantValium]

He can't keep getting away with it!

[@14031993]

Antonov-225 was destroyed in the attack, Wendover probably cut himself in response

[@lenawachs2838]

Wooow this is so well-made. My new favorite youtube channel.

[@peterbowling2410]

Outstanding presentation. Well done.

[@YippingFox]

It is extremely important to remember that while the russian military leaders expected a quick war, their soldiers expected the population to welcome them with open arms to defeat the nazis in control.

[@andrewparsons2391]

"We will be welcomed as liberators!" "Hmm, I swear I've heard that somewhere before, comrade."

[@dbergerac9632]

They're three generations late for that outcome. Logistics must be VERY slow.

[@BojanBojovic]

Similar thing happened in Yugoslavia, when NATO started bombarding everyone got unified no matter the fact that one day earlier they were all against Milošević. I believe the same would happen in North Korea if someone tries to liberate them. I do not trust anyone when talking about politics, they all have some filthy nationalist ideology hiding behund this fake values of collective identity.

[@chibiromano5631]

Dam this video is shill af. I stopped watching his vids after Logistics of the NFL and his Urban Geography video was terribly wrong about US cities. As an American, this is just shilling on a next level with misinfo.

[@colmreynolds9869]

I would have expected that too but it shows the power of NATO propaganda.

[@lucius1976]

And now Russia abandoned all position North and Northeast of Kiev in something that can only described as "humiliating retreat"

[@NormanF62]

In hindsight, Kiev was a feint operation and the Russians never seriously committed the kind of resources necessary to conquer a city that large. They simply wanted to pin down Ukrainian forces while building up their offensive capability elsewhere. When that was done, they withdrew. That explains why they took weeks to reach the capital and openly advertised their movements. If Kiev had been a military objective, the Russians would have conducted things very differently.

[@lucius1976]

@@NormanF62 Yeah right. And 1941 the Germans never really wanted to conquer Moskov, just pin down Soviet forces. Unsubtantiated myths

[@NormanF62]

@@lucius1976 The poor state of the Russian roads and the fact the Germans wanted to take Leningrad as well as Moscow, meant the Germans could not do one thing well. Whatever the Russian setbacks are in Ukraine, they have one objective, the Donbas which is well within their capabilities. What they’re not doing is conquering a country the size of France in one fell swoop.

[@midnightstudio3742]

Congrats on being so reliable that Vice News used clips from you in their videos! Source: The Ethical Hackers at War With Putin. 2:45

[@Treppiede]

An important video that masterfully breaks down two complex topics to the masses: 1) the importance of logistics 2) the stupidity of filming vertically

[@JustAnotherYouTubeCommenter]

ikr if you're trying to film a landscape... *why* would you record it in portrait?

[@arthas640]

What is it about Tik Tok and Snapchat that makes people so terrible that using a smartphone? They suddenly forget how cameras work the second they start using the app

[@cakeisyummy5755]

@@arthas640 It's Black Magic, obviously.

[@jimdaw65]

@@JustAnotherKZbinCommenter I wonder if the have their TVs and monitors with the short side at the top? :-)

[@EpicBoss-]

@@JustAnotherKZbinCommenter its often simply easier to hold a phone vertically

[@marks7484]

The big bad convoy in the North of Kyiv is a perfect description of Russia's logistical failure- it is a 64 km traffic jam where vehicles in the front have stalled due to lack of fuel, and are waiting till fuel arrives from the depo far back. Not to mention that vehicles in the middle and tail are wasting fuel by idling their engines to run heating, comms, and other functions like for example, AA vehicles. Since mud season has started, they are locked to roads like in Winter war, meaning they can't even send their units from the middle to go around. Thanks for the likes and (mostly) civilized conversation in replies.

[@aberoy9957]

@@user-gh9qz2ps4p LOL

[@edalder2000]

I am reminded of The Highway of Death during Gulf War I. Late in the war, a huge Iraqi convoy was spied going north towards Iraq with all sorts of booty. US forces were able to use AWACS planes to pinpoint US. Vietnam era planes to knock out the front and rear vehicles in that long convoy. This 30 years ago and those Vietnam era planes were out of US Inventory a few years later. Anyway-once the front and rear Iraqi vehicles were stopped dead, It was a shooting gallery. Somewhere between 1200-2000 Iraqi vehicles were destroyed. The utter failures in logistics, leadership, and more have been exploited by Ukrainian forces. NATO and Western nations have also supplied all sorts of equipment and real time data to Ukraine.

[@anguselliott8986]

Russian advance reminds of Rome's lost legions in the Teutoburg disaster

[@theprinceofbabylonia]

I wish that convoy was attacked from above by a fleet of low flying A10 Thunderbolts

[@unconventionalideas5683]

But it's not 64 km anymore because it has been hit by the Ukrainians.

[@JustMeELC]

Excellent breakdown well illustrated! Thank You

[@pr0xZen]

Awesome production 👌 For anyone who would like. An even deeper dive into this subject and similar ones, I would like to suggest the channel Perun. Excellent and informative, a bit simpler visual style, more like a podcast or presentation. Each video usually 30-60 minutes once a week. Ish.

[@XAngelxofMercyX]

I'm beyond impressed at you guys being able to get this video out so quickly, with so much information packed into it. Bravo!

[@wuhaninstituteofvirology5226]

If you knew something about Russia before, it's not surprising.

[@Josh-cw8by]

You can tell it was rushed. Russian soldiers not having knowledge of Ukrainian streets and using paper maps for navigation?...Ya..Pretty sloppy for Wendover.

[@lovellmills7959]

@@Josh-cw8by what are you on about? I want too see you make a video about this as the war goes on 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@default123default2]

That's because they got grants from the state dept for propaganda to discredit the Russian war. I'm 100% serious. The video was made before the war started

[@wartome3196]

@@default123default2 Agreed, The narrative coming out doesn't actually match what we see on the ground. It took how many days to reach this place? How long were we told they were on the march towards Kiev? We were told a "fire" at a nuke power plant was an attack by Russians; cuz blowing up nuke plants near your own border is a good thing right?

[@gtoger]

Well done, Sam. Sincerely, a real human person and not a bot.

[@MegaChickenPunch]

prove that you are a human

[@HolyLegendz]

Sounds like what a bot would say jk lol

[@alfonss_]

Please upload more videos man

[@scocon8658]

@@MegaChickenPunch Agreed - not many real people would put so many spaces between the end of one sentence & the start of another. Bot-voices certainly have evolved to sound more human, but how come they still butcher simple word pronunciations?! It boggles the mind, or as a bot might say: "It buggles the mind" 🤨

[@scocon8658]

Totally mis-pronouncing simple, well-known words in the video: MORONIC. Excellent pronunciation of *every* word in the sponsor's advert: IRONIC. Hey, Curiosity Stream - How 'bout teaching these Slow Class idiot narrators (real or not) a seminar or two about how to sound like a real human?

[@Poindogindustries]

It is astounding how well this video has stood up two months later.

[@harveywilde6781]

Agree

[@jordandino417]

9 months after the war started and It’s still true lol

[@craiglongan]

Very informative! This war is an example of how wars are very unpredictable in their outcomes. This is only one reason, among many, why wars are to be avoided unless absolutely necessary. Nations often get into wars because they assume that they are going to win, and then those assumptions do not play out.

[@anglomandingo666]

I worked in Logistics during some Afghan deployments. It was a fight everyday to navigate the complex competing interests within British Logistics battle groups. Not as smooth as you think when commanders constantly concentrate on the intelligence picture. Took 10 years off my life.

[@casedistorted]

Interesting, I’d love to learn more!

[@randomlygeneratedname7171]

Logistics is too expensive and economically demanding it doesn't help to try to over leverage while in debt. Most militaries don't just want to do more with less but they have to.

[@JoeOvercoat]

@@randomlygeneratedname7171 Logistics wins wars. It’s not optional. Be a cheapskate, and lose.

[@tsubadaikhan6332]

I work in Logistics for a Liquor Company in Australia. You probably won't believe me, but mate, during the Covid Lockdowns, I was feeling some of your pain. Customers Suck Balls.

[@internetenjoyer1044]

to be fair i doubt the logistics of any war ever fought felt like it was a smooth operation from the inside

[@samisuhonen9815]

This is how Finland held back Russian forces for months in the 2nd world war. Finns didn't even have proper anti-tank weapons. They didn't have any tanks or armored vehicles that would have been relevant. They ran up to the tanks with satchel charges, rammed logs into the tracks, and came up with the Molotov's cocktail. But the main reason why the USSR forces were held back for so long, was their logistics failing. The soldiers were hungry, demoralized, and freezing in the Finnish winter. Finnish guerilla fighters were striking their supply trucks, which often traveled unprotected. The soviet war machine was heavily reliant on roads, so Finns mined the roads and set up ambushes, while the Finnish forces mainly used skis and horses for logistics near the front lines.

[@sevex9]

Russia as Putin's Russia may not even make it out of this war... so hopefully you guys don't feel the need to join NATO.

[@azrielhanafi7353]

yet they still surrendered to USSR

[@themiddlecase]

@@azrielhanafi7353 I mean, yeah. The USSR vastly outnumbered Finland, and had on the order of 150 times as many tanks, and 30 times as many aircraft as Finland. That said, Finland still managed to hold on for 3 months, inflicting 7 times greater casualties than they took, which is pretty incredible.

[@azrielhanafi7353]

@@themiddlecase yeah i really appreciate and amazed what the finland soldier do to hold the USSR approach, i also read the biography of famous finland sniper simo hayha and their courage to fight USSR. But that being said, the USSR still managed to occupy finland and if the worst come posible that ukraine will surrender or most of it land getting occupied by russia

[@BIOSHOCKFOXX]

​@@themiddlecase Those were old times under different rule and different military strategies and tactics, and knowing that Putin is a history buff and ex-KGB chief, I think he knows the faults done in the past, and capabilities of modern technologies and politics. He plays this smartly. One of the reasons why Soviets failed to push in Finland was the regional setting and period of time back then, I mean weather conditions etc., it was winter, and hilly areas if I remember correctly, hard for mechanized units to advance...It was mostly explained when I watched various channels explaining and talking about Finnish "White Death" sniper, which was one of the reasons it was hard for Russians to advance.

[@Aloha-zp7fc]

Thank you for the summarization.

[@YouAaVe]

Perfect! Awesome content!

[@rizzorizzo2311]

It’s crazy that Russia has had so many communication issues they’ve been communicating without encryption for most of this invasion. That’s a massive no no for a military. You HAVE to be able to talk without the enemy listening in. If our patrols don’t have encrypted communications setup they do not leave the wire and if one of our encryption devices becomes unaccounted for the entire theater has to change comsec immediately.

[@amaizeing.dumbass5123]

If weekend hackers can fxxk your communications easier than someone making a PB&J sandwich, you really have a problem.

[@prosewat99]

Hubris

[@heryoneheryone3664]

Its parts of militery strategi. Russia have master plann strategy

[@dalooter2607]

everything is being broadcasted live on the news anyways

[@projectkilo8370]

This is such BS, do you really believe that the worlds second most powerful military is using paper maps and unencrypted frequencies to communicate? Do you really believe?

[@andresprieto6554]

Logistics has always been among the top priorities of every war, even on ancient times , it was one of the main reasons Alexander The Great was so successful or even before that, why countries that lacked horses didn't had Empires as massive as those that did. If you can't move your power where it's needed, you can't use the power.

[@skyhappy]

Actually Alexander was bad at that, he only survived off of plundering cities.

[@colonel_yuri]

@@skyhappy well that is an alternative of proper logistics, unless there is no city for you to plunder

[@crimsonleaf2755]

@@skyhappy isn't plunder one of the most prevalent yet barbaric way of support? Long before Alexander, the Vikings used to do this all the time, their path always included villages and river. There's no war that did not include plunder as resources.

[@skyhappy]

@@crimsonleaf2755 Plundering instead is risky. Napoleon went into Russia without a stable supply line - he was forced to retreat and 90% of his 400,000 soldiers died, froze to death, or were captured. It won't work long term.

[@aleksamapparat]

Well back in alexanders time it took weeks or even months to move supply so plundering seems to me like the most reasonable thing to do

[@Joaquin546]

I like your analysis and presentation hope more of your videos pop up.

[@jmhotels]

This is very well done and great job!!

[@DanielWolfe]

After seeing all the dash cams and cameras capturing the train carrying tank and trucks alike, I was utterly stunned by the fact that they were preparing for the invasion years prior to today.

[@sieevansetiawan4792]

Reallifelore made a video on this also. He claims that Russian population is shrinking, which means less military forces in the future. In other words, better attack now than later.

[@filipelimartins]

@@sieevansetiawan4792 the population is shrinking and the equipment is getting obsolete, it needed to act now.

[@darrenmcelduff6848]

Why would it be stunning when they have had war this last good few years

[@michaelnieman6218]

Before I enlisted into the US Army In 1983 my father a WW2 and Korean War veteran told me in order to prepare for war you must first train for war including having the equipment and supplies before the start of the Korean the US Army was under equipped and under manned and it BITE Uncle Sam hard in the ASS

[@MrSeedkey]

It’s crazy that only a month ago a lot of people were saying Russia wasn’t gonna invade and was just doing training exercises at the border 🤦‍♂️

[@blendpinexus1416]

16:13 was not expecting that and i absolutely love that is even happening

[@95blahblahhaha]

Well damnit! Out of all of the creator's advertisement's yours just made me go get a subscription to Curiosity Stream!!! Love you guy's work

[@rfarevalo]

"Looting" is a civilian activity. Armies or military units engage in "Plundering". Plundering is addressed in most international treaties and articles of war for the last half of a millennia.

[@embreis2257]

good point. no surprise we have to learn those legal semantics in times of war

[@10z20]

What is the legal distinction? Is plundering more or less acceptable?

[@FetteLatte]

@@10z20 It's worse. Pillaging is a war crime.

[@peteg475]

In times past, they called it "foraging", to put a nicer term on organized rape and theft.

[@doigt6590]

Thank you for the correction rfarevalo. Before your post, I was really confused as to why russian civilians would go into ukraine and engage in looting. But now it's obvious that wendover productions used the term "looting" to refer to "plundering". You cleared a very big misunderstanding there. That was really useful to know. Thank you.

[@jefftaylor3116]

I’m so impressed in just how quickly Wendover can make a high quality information dense video on rapidly evolving global situation. This one and the Afghanistan evacuation are mind blowing.

[@brainthesizeofplanet]

He planned it all along 🤣

[@bloodyglitch1777]

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[@kbieniu7]

Wendover's information logistics is simply an order of magnitude more efficient than russian military logistics.

[@bloodyglitch1777]

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[@PatrickThomasBrady]

@j kuzi this account was created a week ago, but you probably just want to spread the truth right

[@andymac6503]

Many thanks for this... I found it interesting and educational.

[@mariomansur]

Great Documentary , lot's of Información , Well Done ! !

[@johnroush1099]

It needs to be noted that this wasn't merely a miscalculation by Russia. Every major country in the world also thought that Ukraine would fall within 3 days. Compare this to Russia's invasion of Georgia and the U.S.'s invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, and it demonstrates that modern warfare will rarely ever go according to plan. There are so many variables and conditions that can't truly be known until you set foot and machine onto the battlefield. Hopefully major powers will learn from these repeated mistakes and understand that war is far too risky, even against seemingly inferior opponents, and opt for more "peaceful" methods of coercion in the international arena.

[@tai1364]

Like china method?

[@so_zemlji]

Never heard of any Russian general or diplomat saying that Ukr would fall in three days.

[@johnroush1099]

@@tai1364 it would seem they have better calculations on that. But they are also heavily investing in military, so they may make the same blunders down the line.

[@maratburangulov2790]

США воевали ковровыми бомбардировками, а Россия постепенно освобождает территорий

[@Intranetusa]

The USA's invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan happened fairly smoothly and quickly in terms of the actual invasion and take-over of the country. It was the long running insurgency afterwards that gave the USA trouble. Russia at this point hasn't taken over the country yet since they seem to have trouble even taking a small part of Ukraine, let alone stamp out an insurgency after a take over is accomplished.

[@Ealsante]

The street signs thing were a nice touch. Removing or rearranging them was what the Czechs did in '68, while 'Welcome to Hell' is what the Chechens did in the first war.

[@nicholasdarrylh.9062]

the russian army right now is probably disorganised to the point that you could get them to loop back into russia

[@amerigo88]

Drove around Brno in Czechoslovakia for an extra hour back in 1991 due to the deliberately misleading paper maps the Russians had insisted on distributing. Happy ending was we ended up in an unofficial hotel for foreign guests instead of the official one, and the cost was 20X cheaper! Navigating Eastern Europe right after the Iron Curtain was lifted was very challenging before GPS became commonplace.

[@knottyal2428]

In GB in 1940, with the threat of German invasion just across the English Channel, many signs were painted out. Included village nameboards, sign posts, railway station names etc.

[@danksanchez4324]

@@nicholasdarrylh.9062 honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Russian soldiers engaged each other on accident thinking they were Ukrainian.

[@benghazi4216]

The best one was a crossroad/overpass sign here all roads went to the Hague, ie the ICC.

[@irineoc]

Excellent, just excellent presentation. Kudos

[@rubberplantsandwich]

One of the better videos of this subject that I have seen in a long time

[@professormoriarty6875]

Logistics is also where the Germans failed during WW2. They got stuck in Russia during the winter with no fuel, no ammunition, no food, and no winter clothes.

[@williamclarke4510]

At one time in winter, Cossack Calvary were effective because even if oil wasn't frozen in crankcases, their batteries were dead.

[@astracrits4633]

It might even be worse for Russia since it's springtime--imagine trying to slog through the mud as the snow melts, and having all this meltwater clinging to you constantly, making you cold and wet. Honestly, it wouldn't be much better than trench warfare.

[@thexalon]

And one of the areas they got stuck in, very significantly, was the exact same land that the Russians are trying to capture. I'm pretty sure the "de-Naziification" rhetoric is specifically an attempt by the Putin government to frame this conflict as somehow related to what the Russians sometimes refer to as the "Great Patriotic War".

[@terawatt1]

that's a common myth, and mostly false... while there certainly were undersupplied parts of the front, most of the Eastern campaign was quite well supplied (up to the point where you even CAN mitigate the russian winter with supplies alone) - among military historians there is wide consensus that the most important part in the Wehrmacht's failure in the East laid in their incoherent strategy, first focussing on Moscow, then prioritizing Leningrad, and when both of those and the rush for the Mesopotamian oil fields through Egypt failed, focussing on the south because Romania couldn't keep up with the fuel demand...

[@Averagedre]

@@terawatt1 tbh the reason i thought the germans failed invading russia during WW2 was because it was just too cold at the time they started invading russia and the germans didn’t bring the proper clothing, im not a big historian but did that play a big part as well?

[@antanaskiselis7919]

You forget to mention one important aspect in russian military which touches logistics - corruption. Officers pocket resources which are directed towards vehicle maintenance for example. Simple soldiers who serve and get absolute shit pay and suffer bullying "duxi" in the military feel little loyalty for it. So stuff if they get to fix something, often spare parts or fuel are sold in civilian life to make additional profits. Or some tech like radios are sold off for their precious metals when they get their hands on it. West make due with politicians being sometimes corrupt. In russia entire system is based on having access to national resources and pocketing personally from it. From higher officers to low key individuals. Now what evidence we have for that actually manifesting directly? Food rations are 7 years old. No-one bothered to allocate resources to fix that. Or resources found someone's pocket. Captured Pansir - S1 was obviously unmaintained and haven't been taken for a spin allowing it's tires to rot. Which makes traversing off-road very dangerous. Hence abandoned vehicles left malfunctioning. Now russia's army is road bound in Ukraine's spring mud season in the north completely and that probably effects any trucks whatsoever. I wouldn't be surprised that a lot of stuff gets simply stolen before it even reaches troops on the front, while previously lack of maintenance and care effecting them now from the very start.

[@Trias805]

"Food rations are 7 years old." No, they expired 7 years ago :) So they must be even older.

[@rodion-z]

This, very much. The "second most powerful" army in the world was in large part based on their declared budget spending. Navalnyi touched on that part in his video exposing Putin corruption as well. They were "buying" everything from food to even chevrons on their uniforms at a markup several times larger than retail. One video showed a russian soldier's food pack that had an expiration date of 2015! I'm sure if you looked into reports it would show that it has been "resupplied" several times since then already.

[@kylemiles448]

you're brainwashed dude

[@michiellombaers3198]

@@kylemiles448 that's a baseless comment.

[@gadsdenflag5218]

@@kylemiles448 That’s a bit ironic

[@donaldjohnson394]

Great video to document history for generations to come!

[@richardacevedo280]

I was in the sixth grade in 1979, when one of my school teachers told us that it was not that Russia didn't have food. The problem was that some of the food even got rotten on the trains because Russia lacked adequate ways to transport its products. With time, two masters, and sufficient experience at three fortune 500 companies, I learned how important logistics is for any kind of operation. It's also not a trivial subject to master.

[@Darca1n]

Well said, this. It doesn't matter how much you have in terms of supplies if you don't have the logistics to get it where it needs to be.

[@kurts3252]

2020: Everyone is a virologist 2021: Everyone is an economist 2022: Everyone is a war analyst

[@dolans.g7259]

2019, when HBO's Chernobyl is out: Everyone is a Nuclear Physicist

[@brucequalters2153]

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[@henrycrabs3497]

@@brucequalters2153 here's hoping

[@brucequalters2153]

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[@-..l]

2024: Everyone is a part of everyone

[@thomasonson]

As a former Czech army logistics officer who served (exercised) with UK's Royal logistics school, US marines, AUT and HUN officers (2003-2013) I do appreciate this highly informative and well-made video. It clearly covered almost all important aspects of field logistics and precisely revealed the massive difference between contemporary and post-soviet logistics. Honestly we did not even put into consideration Russia into any of our scenarios. Everything was focused on expeditionary logistics, rapid staging and onward movement based operations on distant territories. Who would have thought... Former eastern-block countries, Ukraine included, have a deep understanding of post-soviet technique, its strengths and weaknesses. This war clearly shows that Russia's Achille's heel is not just logistics but the people part as well. Confused and incompetent commanders, weak tactics and absence of common sense... then committing war crimes and atrocities when hungry and frustrated. This war is a complete misery at its worst.

[@roverwaters3875]

Czech army lol tiny

[@irvingshekelstein414]

@@roverwaters3875 that’s your comment? Small and packing a punch is much better than big and limp

[@aLittlePal]

valuable lesson

[@AlbertBasedman]

It's a war crime to plunder for food?

[@Tomkam658]

@@AlbertBasedman Its a war crime to shell civilian residential areas.

[@belledetector]

Very well made. Informative

[@user-rm7ye8ct6p]

EXCELLENT PRESENTATION ! 💯👍👍👍

[@spongebobsquarepants675]

The first time I heard "logistics" mentioned in news regarding the russian invasion, I instantly thought about Wendover surely will be making a video about it and here we are.

[@forgotten1s]

That was a bet with 0 no bets. As everyone knows this is going to be a 50 episode arc

[@chrisclifford7080]

Going from bear to hampster in a couple days.

[@theshadowemperor2346]

I was expecting a video on russian logistics to eventually come

[@LookToWindward]

As soon as “logistics” is mentioned (outside of specialist media) in connection to any invasion, that invasion is in trouble.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@LookToWindward This video is grossly premature, but it seems everyone on KZbin is in a rush to capitalize on the latest sensational news. For context, the surrender of France in WW2 after Germany's 'lightning' campaign that everyone loves mocking them for, was after 7 weeks of fighting. Even Poland took them over a month to beat. And more recently, the US took 6 weeks to win Iraq. Hell, this is an active warzone, so how do civilian content creators seemingly know so much about the nitty gritty of everything? Is Wendover part of US intelligence or something?

[@yametekudasai3973]

The huge land of Ukraine and those silent drones plays a big part in this. Hitting supplies are forever been in war tactics throughout human history. Thousands of tanks are nothing if they don't have fuel, same with food for soldiers to consume.

[@kieranwalsh2058]

Logistics are one of if not *the* most important part of a war. For all we know a lot of the Russian troops are a professional force (there’s been a lot of videos of what look like poorly trained and armed troops), but they have such little supply it makes virtually no difference

[@TheKazragore]

They become nothing more than temporary cover from which to fire side arms and light weaponry before enemy ground forces close in and surround you.

[@JoeOvercoat]

If the Russians were worried about interdiction they would not be parking all their vehicles in a field shoulder to shoulder, nose to tail. Face the facts: Russia has air superiority in Ukraine.

[@kieranwalsh2058]

@Server Meta Have you seen the recent video of a plane being shot down and it shows one of the pilots dead, being confirmed to have been a pilot that bombed Syria?

[@R0mst3r]

@@JoeOvercoat sooo.... these 'facts'... are they in the room with us right now?

[@Facewest]

Awesome report!! Thank you!!

[@hichamforu]

Outstanding contents 👍

[@amorosogombe9650]

I've gotten more information from this 20-minute video than I have from tens of hours of watching mainstream media. Amazing job dude. Thank you.

[@cosmic_pursuit]

Same, great video. Sadly the take-away is that the more Russian logistics fail, the more deadly they become.

[@potato88872]

it very bias toward west opinion, if you can find about whot the other side think of this, you can have a more objective opinion

[@lukey666lukey]

@@potato88872 how would you do that. the russian wont give out any info with sources like this video does

[@jeremygibbs7342]

@@potato88872 From a logistical standpoint I'm sure you are correct. From a moral standpoint, Russia was at no risk of invasion from Ukraine, Ukraine gave up it's nuclear capabilities decades ago. The "loss of influence" is a terrible excuse to invade a neighbouring country. This war must end with Russia withdrawing its forces. Putin must answer to the Russian people for his crimes.

[@elenabob4953]

Adam Something has also some interesting takes.

[@patraicemery]

Another drawback to Russia is much of the equipment being fielded is soviet era tech which many military veterans in Ukraine will know how to use, and effectively. This means they can quickly train conscripted soldiers on use of captured equipment, something that most poor nations cannot do generally.

[@SovietReunionYT]

To be fair, most other poor countries use Soviet era tech too.

[@alexsis1778]

Soviet tech is essentially the backbone of third world militaries all around the world. Its cheap, its rugged and it requires little in the way of maintenance. This however doesn't change the fact that Russia seems to truly BE using soviet era tech. There have been sightings of BMP-1s and the like. For those who don't know these were first made in the 60s in comparison to the BMP-3 which was made in the late 80s and modernized in the 2000s. Leaves a lot of people wondering why in the world they're using BMP-1s?

[@ongkhuongduy3498]

@@alexsis1778 It has a lot to do with corruption. Military contract is big business. After the Georgian war, Russia went on a spending spree to upgrade its army. Through that process, there was incredible amount of corruption from defense official. Let's say they are providing 20 BMP-3 to a tank battalion to upgrade from their BMP-1 models, usually maybe 15 BMP-3 will make it to the actual battalion. The other 5 will magically be on a ship to China, Africa, Middle East, any country that has an appetite for Russian militaries product. The defense official pocketed the fund and deposit it into some Swiss bank account under assumed identities. Same goes for artillery, helicopter, MREs. And this goes on for over 17 years, with complicity from top to bottom.

[@gwzrd5675]

@@ongkhuongduy3498 maybe 5 will make it to the actual batalion in reality. You cant imagine the extent Russian corruption actually goes to

[@Seopy]

@@alexsis1778 No lol. From where I'm from we using Cold war us stuff.

[@gjermand]

Great work

[@fighter0056]

Great Video

[@shompirass]

That last image of the old man on his balcony was truly heart-breaking. Incredibly well made video of a very sensitive topic. Keep up the good work!

[@zen4men]

His sadness caught my eye too

[@wheatyes2104]

@@zen4men I thought he was blind the way he was grabbing on.

[@zen4men]

@@wheatyes2104 Cannot find him again, without watching entire video. ...... You may be right. ...... I just 'felt' his energy. Just seen an old lady in a hospital with a damaged arm, who was in a village that was shelled, spilling her husband's brains over the road in death. ...... Last sight of her wandering off into the streets of whatever town the hospital was in.

[@zen4men]

@Nguyễn Chu Phú An Alexander No time. ...... And the old lady was in another video. So much tragedy in Putin's unnecessary war.

[@kevinadams9468]

Propaganda makes you cry.

[@stephanbrunker]

This has happened again and again in history, you should mean that *someone* had learned from it. A few examples: Napoleon failed on his russian campaign because after the burning of Moscow there was no shelter for his troops. 1914 the German attack against France failed at the Marne because the Germans ran out of ammo and - surprise - were too far from their railway end points. Railway infrastructure in Belgium was destroyed. Every following attack failed after a few kilometers, because the logistics in the conquered craterfield were neigh impossible. 1944 the German attack in the Ardennes failed because they ran out of fuel. And these are only the few I know instantly.

[@magoshighlands4074]

Fuck, the German assault assault Russia during WW2 failed because the German logistic couldn't handle the winter! The fact the Russians didn't learn a lesson from this si fucking hilarious

[@papabetadine724]

Yep, logistics is arguably the most important aspect of war. Many invasions have failed because of it. The USA are definitely the undisputed masters of logistics, its boring as fuck to do. But it will save lives and make the objective easier. If the Ukrainians had long range cruise missiles. They could launch a couple at rail way lines deep inside Russia and knock the railways out before they got too close. More than likely that the Russians would shoot it out of the sky. But the attempt would be worth it.

[@-007-2]

@@papabetadine724 - That's the exact reason Russia invaded Ukraine. They didn't want NATO arming Ukraine with the ability to strike its infrastructure deep within Russia. That and the political reasons.

[@papabetadine724]

@@-007-2 Yep pretty much. Goes to show how a well placed cruise missile can cuck the russian logistics train

[@tomshepard9050]

Ye except this is not that kind of war. The fact that KZbin is Western Bias(duh) and everyone seems to think this is the same war as WW2...that's exactly what Putin wants you to think. The West drown in their own social media hysterical piss.

[@ashleymarie7452]

Excellent content. Subscribing to Curiosity Stream/Wendover!

[@altonwilliams17]

You did well. I will definitely look into nebula.

[@Eiad.Alhamed]

What an incredible report. I've been searching for something like this for 2 weeks. None of the mainstream media is providing anything like this, so kudos man. Great work!

[@user-cd4bx6uq1y]

That's what the need for mainstream appeal does to what we now call "content-creation". People who are barely holding on, everyday going to job, coming home and sleeping. No care to look further into anything. Just having something to think "that's kind of a big thing" for some moments. 42. Edit: also dis comment has 69 likes, so, the mandatory.

[@richgoodwin929]

Dos please look up Jimmy Dore and you will get the WHY, rather than the WHAT

[@Mr___f]

What media are you following? Most media sites (minus Fox) have articles on the logistical issues. Obviously nothing this in depth though

[@BlackVirtue]

This is basically same propaganda shit as on mainstream media, only with some technical terminology sprinkled on top.

[@sydposting]

I'm increasingly reminded of a line from HBO's Chernobyl miniseries, spoken by the actor playing Gorbachev: "Our power comes from the perception of our power." It's military Lysenkoism, this mindset of making plans to fit a narrative, rather than making plans to achieve a goal. The Soviet Union may have "fallen" but the ideologies are alive and well.

[@DrunKao]

I wish I could easily save KZbin comments like I can Reddit comments.

[@proshacot]

You got the Russian mindset right. Russia is failing because they have an obsolete post-Soviet mentality. I was born in USSR and then raised in Ukraine so I know their mentality very well.

[@PhiltheMoko]

@@cannibalholocaust3015 wow, Gordon Freeman with his crowbar over here!

[@specialingu]

i think thats more about totalian regimes than just communism.... its putting on a show for certain people.

[@sydposting]

@@specialingu I agree entirely. You can see similar mindsets in the boardroom of any corporation that insists on growth despite it being mathematically impossible in the long run.

[@anthonyhayes1267]

Writing "welcome to hell" on street signs doesn't sound all that menacing until you realize that it's what Chechen fighters said to Russian units they trapped in Grozny's train station.

[@ScottishJazzman]

It would be cool to see an updated position on this video, particularly given the strategic importance of the Kerch Bridge into Crimea and the occupied Tokmak rail hub, and that they are both under threat as of September 2023.

[@elibrod9981]

Don’t forget the hundred billion price tag that all those brainless Joes cheering in the comments are coughing up now..))

[@harveywilde6781]

Yeah, good suggestions. Cutting off the land bridge to Crimea is important to distrup their logistics.

[@__-fm5qv]

Its facinating to see how information spreads in war now with the advent of social media and smartphones. Imagine how insanely different WWII would have been if this amount of near immediate information was available for all to see.

[@user-eq9xs5fz9u]

Hitler Meme lol

[@StuffandThings_]

@@user-eq9xs5fz9u The British did sorta meme Hitler, actually. They used very early editing techniques like clipping tapes to make essentially a very early shitpost. Supposedly the German propaganda officials were pissed lmao.

[@skie6282]

Tbh germany probably would have taken france... for multiple reasons, including social media exposing the genocide and u.s getting heavily involved very early

[@peterpayne2219]

It strikes me that this is the first war where the soldiers might be carrying Airpods or listening to podcasts while they wait to fight

[@Noblyuntruthful]

Near infinite availability of fake doctored and spun information

[@joedance14]

Logistics can severely limit a commander’s options in terms of strategy or tactics. Conversely, pro-active logistics can literally “redefine the battlefield”, by making more options feasible.

[@dugiejoness5197]

It is not logistics that is the problem of the Russian army, but poverty, low technical culture, poor morale and widespread theft. Ukrainian partisans laugh that this invincible Russian army has no shoes, and they carry blankets and blankets in armored cars because they have no place to sleep. They eat food that has expired, and sometimes they have wooden vegetable crates instead of tank seats.

[@empireofyoutube7487]

@@dugiejoness5197 to add, great logistics kind of solves some of the problems of the russian military. No shoes? Get shoes from a supply drop. No place to sleep? Build a camp behind the frontline by using supplies. Expired food? Hot and fresh food from the supplies coming. Wooden vegetable crates instead of actual tank seats? More seats in the convoy coming.

[@dugiejoness5197]

@@empireofyoutube7487 Logistics is not everything, you also need to deliver something, because air on empty trucks is not enough. It is a pity that YT algorithms do not allow you to post links, you would see these Russian logistic reserves. These are dump trucks, school buses, and marked furcons. The third mobilization project of logistics will be construction wheelbarrows and baby carriages.

[@matthiaswiegand1654]

@@dugiejoness5197 I'd actually not be surprised if staff officers and below in the logistics units had sold fuel and rations - especially if they thought they are only on an exercise.

[@TheLatiosnlatias02]

Let's not pretend that this conflict is just about Donbass, Crimea, or the like. It's fundamentally about the way Ukraine is run as a country and how its economy and culture has slowly been run into the ground after it became anti-Russian 8 years ago. It's not like Ukraine is becoming more prosperous like the US/EU/Israel, it's becoming a wasteland that no one wants to live in and no investor wants to touch. The neo-Nazi shit heads who walk with comedian boy Zelensky will never come to any terms unless they are ousted. They are cheats and are adept in double speak. Only bidding for more time so that the more aggravated the situation, the west is more under pressure to shed their cloak of not participating militarily. USA and its vassals sent their operatives in different guises. So the over-equipped Ukraine trying to officially draw the US and vassal armies to fight along side the Ukrainians. THESE neo-Nazis can never be trusted. They will come to terms if they could be defeated outright. Zelensky loves the EU, Israel and US who torture their own people covertly in their own homes, he loves sadistic mentally ill madmen because he is one. look up targeted individuals , covertly implanted with torture devices --- Zelensky ready for ‘compromises’ on Donbass and Crimea --- This joker is simply following the illegitimate White House's principles and Israel's right-wing dictator; ie stay as long as possible so that more weapons can be sent to Ukraine. In this manner, Washington and Tel Aviv politicians will get more commissions from weapon manufacturers!! What's the benefit for the comedian? He will be given a nice 'exile' package: a free-to-stay villa in the US mainland, 24-hour maid and security service plus a generous USD1,000,000/year stipend - fully funded by American taxpayors. Over the course of 8 years, Kiev has been run into the ground into an increasingly unlivable police state with unequal development across regions and Slavic culture slowly being wiped out. Does Zelensky propose returning to the same status quo?

[@Itried20takennames]

Also heard that Russia has not really embraced the pallet/forklift method for loading and unloading supplies, often just relying on having whoever is available load stuff by hand, which is slow and inefficient.

[@user-uc9fx4ru7p]

Thank you great video.

[@AlienPain]

When an infantry Soldier makes a mistake it can cost him or her their lives. When a logistics Soldier makes a mistake many lives are in jeopardy!! Lots of responsibility and pressure.

[@nobody6032]

On both of them nonetheless.

[@joshuacox183]

I’m pretty sure the claims of logistical chaos are just our sides propaganda… When is the one time the media not only gets a pass to lie, but will brag about it later?? War time.. Everything Russia is doing is normal textbook strategy if your trying not to mass kill civilians or lose a mountain of your own soldiers.. They are not in a hurry because no one else is coming to stop them.. so there is no reason to hurry and pay the cost for it..

[@underachiever8532]

Infantry soldiers mistake could cost their whole units life. All positions have lots of responsibility and pressure

[@andyrob3259]

@@joshuacox183 100%. I’m on neither side but I do find the almost universal falling over Ukraine interesting (another oil nation coindentalljy). It’s not the most democratic nation and one that does on occasion imprison political opponents. I wouldn’t want my brother from a western military dying for a nation that gives a vague nod to democracy- it’s not France or Germany. This is looking like another ‘oil’ war more than any concern about the civil population. That’s what the media used to drum up support. And that’s something being ‘buried’ in our western MSM. Plus US companies have massive investments there.

[@markcollins2666]

In the US Army, I have done both jobs, starting with Infantry, and ending as a Logistician. You may have heard of our PLL system, which they called pull, but is prepared logistic loads. These, also known as LOGPACKS, are prepared daily, to suit each units changing needs. With good communication, it's hard to make mistakes. Little pressure, for us, but Russia' big fault, always has been, is that it NEVER rewards failure. Units that don't meet their goals and objectives, get no resupply, assets are rewarded to their winners.

[@arcticfox6808]

Russia's lack of establishment of early air superiority is a big question in a lot of minds. Surprised this was overlooked. The U.S. made sure to establish it before invading Iraq. And when the U.S. did invade, their armor units decimated Iraq's tank units at night, using superior tactics and nigh vision technology. The Russians also seem to be lacking these tools. They look like a 3rd world country out there, but the unfortunate facts are that they still have a huge nuclear arsenal, so while NATO is obviously thinking they could easily handle the Russians, they can do nothing but sit and watch for fear of nuclear Armageddon if they respond.

[@huskyfaninmass1042]

Yet by this time in the invasion of Iraq the US had still not taken Baghdad.

[@medsr6674]

US almost carpet bombed Iraq and other countries (including mine) before invading. Russians could definetely do the same, but they didn't want imense civilian casualties.

[@kosatochca]

@@huskyfaninmass1042 US lost a few dozens of its personnel, while Russia have already lost more than 500 highly capable combatants (official Russian report, so in reality it's even more, probably thousands). Soviet and later Russian is famous for disregarding troop losses in order to achieve certain strategic objectives, still this is not good statistics

[@varkr2066]

Russia isn't trying to mass carpet bomb civilians like NATO does.

[@agring8391]

@@kosatochca US fighted against outdated armies of a third world countryes with 20th centuries weapons. And russia fighting against modern army that has modern weapons and ammunission supplyed by west. And you forgot to compare army sizes. Obviusly when bigger armies fight there will be more casualties.

[@robertneely5148]

The Russian military has gone from "the second best army in the world" to "the second best army in Ukraine".

[@dannygomez6035]

Lol!

[@thor9563]

Yes, I agree. To preserve BOTH Russian and Ukrainian life, I would suggest: Ukraine could weaponize Russia's most successful product: VODKA. Russian troops feel abandoned, traumatized, lied to, home sick in a hostile land where neither side has a quarrel. There is One thing they would die for: Russian vodka. Ukraine should use their superior logistical abilities to distribute a train load of Russian vodka to all occupiers as a measure of 'hospitality'. A smiling Babushka pulling a wagon full of Russia's Finest, could disable a battalion of poorly led, poorly equipped poorly fed Orks in a single Friday night. Could herd them into a drunk tank and take their equipment intact. In war: A SNOCKERED FOE...is a friend! So...Let's do a little arithmetic. The 'think tank experts' are approving spending 20-40 Billion of our dollars on war machines and munitions to bludgeon a bunch of demoralized slobs who don't want to be there. 150 thousand Orks X $8 a bottle of Russia's finest: $1.2 million. Hire a battalion of Babushkas to deliver vodka to the occupiers @ $100 X 400: $40,000. Wagons and rail transport: $10,000. Total cost: $1.25 million. 150 thousand drunk Russians and their war machinery: PRICELESS! Slavo Ukraine!

[@davidadamson9105]

Yawn TROLL... DONBAS will NEVER be "Ukraine" again. Get THAT!!

[@thor9563]

@NationalAmerican TeroristicOrganisationNATO Three score and 8!

[@elibrod9981]

No, he is just Ukrainian. They are eternally infantile ))

[@worldtravel9967]

Great job video here

[@coreyharding4837]

Damn….. it’s almost insane how all this info is already on KZbin and the war is not even over yet. Just goes to show the different times we live in and the advancement of technology. If this was the 90’s or early 2000’s, stuff like this would be found out months, if not years later.

[@rdelrosso2001]

You may wanna read Daniel Chapter 12: Verse 4, from around 550 BC/ BCE.

[@theboxygenie]

@@rdelrosso2001 "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." ?

[@one4320]

Except this is not information, it's propaganda.

[@thor9563]

Yes, I agree. To preserve BOTH Russian and Ukrainian life, I would suggest: Ukraine could weaponize Russia's most successful product: VODKA. Russian troops feel abandoned, traumatized, lied to, home sick in a hostile land where neither side has a quarrel. There is One thing they would die for: Russian vodka. Ukraine should use their superior logistical abilities to distribute a train load of Russian vodka to all occupiers as a measure of 'hospitality'. A smiling Babushka pulling a wagon full of Russia's Finest, could disable a battalion of poorly led, poorly equipped poorly fed Orks in a single Friday night. Could herd them into a drunk tank and take their equipment intact. In war: A SNOCKERED FOE...is a friend! So...Let's do a little arithmetic. The 'think tank experts' are approving spending 20-40 Billion of our dollars on war machines and munitions to bludgeon a bunch of demoralized slobs who don't want to be there. 150 thousand Orks X $8 a bottle of Russia's finest: $1.2 million. Hire a battalion of Babushkas to deliver vodka to the occupiers @ $100 X 400: $40,000. Wagons and rail transport: $10,000. Total cost: $1.25 million. 150 thousand drunk Russians and their war machinery: PRICELESS! Slavo Ukraine!

[@davidadamson9105]

Yeah... you should know by now... DONBAS will NEVER be "Ukraine" again. Get THAT!!

[@The_ZeroLine]

Wow, this is a 100x better breakdown of the big progression, big picture and many of the details of the first week or so of the invasion than anything I’ve seen and I’ve watched and reads dozens and dozens of hours from both traditional and non-traditional media.

[@NoobGamer-sc9lt]

indeed but to be fair to media they're trying to get advantage of the story and pocket some money not everyday we have war in Europe. this is the definition of capitalism

[@e1123581321345589144]

yeah, It's one of the best analysis I've seen so far.

[@sammiller6631]

@@NoobGamer-sc9lt That's not the definition of capitalism. But how many care about definitions anymore? Not many.

[@NoobGamer-sc9lt]

​@@sammiller6631 agreed as long as people not effected people don't care about anything until it hit home. this war is perfect example there're many wars with massive lost of life and suffering in last 20 years but this war is the only one that everyone talk about it let's hope EU won't shut their boarders like they did few years back and leave people to die and suffer

[@sammiller6631]

@@NoobGamer-sc9lt If Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine in 2014, today's loss and suffering need not happen.

[@paulsuprono7225]

18:00 . . . KZbin feeds of site producers, however it's the same in the opposite. We need to establish a tram approach where each, working together come out ahead, in the long run. As that infamous phrase goes - 'a rising tide, rases ALL boats ! 😀

[@harveywilde6781]

Welp..... there goes the Crimean Bridge. Ironically when a fuel train was on it as well.

[@philsimpson3556]

The further an army advances the longer your supply lines. This was the main reason the allies had to prioritise the opening of Antwerp during the advance into Europe during WW2. Without the port of Antwerp the armies supply lines could not maintain their advance due to having to transport fuel, ammunition, food etc all the way from Normandy. Going too far will inevitability result in failure.

[@FeldwebelWolfenstool]

lol, hey..it's only 56 miles from the border to the city of Kiev...anyone who thinks the Russians are running out of gasoline is a moron. They the World's 3rd largest producer.

[@Agarwaen]

@@FeldwebelWolfenstool it's literally what we observe happening. and it matters NOTHING how much you can produce, if you can't transport it where it's needed. you obviously didn't watch the video and is just posting putins drivel propaganda.

[@FeldwebelWolfenstool]

@@Agarwaen ...56 miles? lol FIFTY SIX MILES IS SIX GALLONS OF GAS...lol...they're slowing to allow the ukes an option..

[@jouille4524]

@@FeldwebelWolfenstool cope

[@captiancholera8459]

@@FeldwebelWolfenstool why would they though, this gives the Ukrainians time to get equipment to the front, to re organize and to entrench, 56 miles isn’t too long, but modern vehicles are whores for gasoline, while a BMP has enough fuel for around 300 miles, you have to remember that they’re getting shot at on the way in, their rear is not fully secured and supply lines get raided (56 miles is definitely a long drive for a logi man who knows he could be ambushed). Under normal circumstances the Russians would have no issue moving their army that far. But facing resistance and heavier resistance than expected at that. They’re going to be using a lot more resources per mile than normal.

[@TBFI_Botswana]

“Infantry wins battles, logistics wins wars.” Army General John J. Pershing Nailed it 👍

[@selinane2Seli-zw3pz]

“The amateurs discuss tactics: the professionals discuss logistics.” Napoléon.

[@TBFI_Botswana]

@@selinane2Seli-zw3pz To be fair - he got that wrong invading Russia back in the day 😁

[@relaxer1148]

@@TBFI_Botswana Well, he did somehow reach Moscow for sometime.

[@is3t]

@@relaxer1148 He reached Moscow but that was part of the russian's plan, I mean they didn't even try to stop them from reaching the city and in the end, taking Moscow, was useless and it just made things even worse for the french army

[@Liberation_from_the_matrix]

@@is3t He didn't think Russians would go as far as burning one of their jewel cities. Then they got "wintered".

[@timlewis5096]

The start of the invasion signaled the start of the end of the Russian federation

[@trk1b28varianrhesa4]

The end of Putin regimn you mean?

[@MikeW-xs8rf]

How is that working out bud? Russia is winning.

[@razorsharp8549]

Another great video

[@E1craZ4life]

The irony is that Russia presenting itself as a greater threat than it really was is almost certainly what prompted a defensive response massive enough to shatter the presented facade.

[@ismails2702]

They are a great threat but they did not as said in the video expect and prepared for the resistance

[@bebos1262]

@@ismails2702 They're only a threat because of their nuclear weapons. The myth of Russian military strength has been shattered, NATO does not have to worry about winning a hypothetical land war because they'll win it easily. The only problem is that Putin is likely willing to drag the world into doomsday if he is defeated.

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

@@bebos1262 But now I totally doubt the efficacy of their entire nuclear arsenal. I always presumed 3/4s of their warheads were duds. But now I think that even if Putin ordered an all-out strike, only a few targets would be hit, with the rest missing entirely, or being shot down by ABM shields, or exploding in their launch tubes due to incompetence or hardware failure. Don't forget that a huge portion of the Russian economy comes from weapons sales. I think this poor showing will slow down the orders.

[@cakexpress6235]

@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 Maybe their nuclear weapons aren’t that many or any good but the risk is so incredibly high.

[@jamesricker3997]

Historically whenever the Russians project strength it is to hide weakness

[@so_phhh555]

I still remember how I woke up at 5:30 am from rockets. I did not understand anything, my cousin saw a giant explosion, which was just terrifying. I really hope it ends as soon as possible.

[@nobodyhere1406]

U get out of Ukraine yet or even out of kiev

[@julianhermanez1694]

I hope you and your loved ones are safe and sound

[@dsh850]

You alive bro?

[@so_phhh555]

@@dsh850 we are currently safe, but we sometimes hear sirens

[@vitalijslebedevs1629]

Hey, we want to help. My country just legally approved and even encouraged volunteering for UFL. I want to join, despite the lack of army training and other things. The volunteer infopage have a requirement list, in which i don't meet the first 2 points: military and weapons handling experiences. I don't care if i don't come back, just don't want to be _sent_ back for nothing. If you have any knowledge of the practices, advice or personal contacts among volunteering forces from the ground-zero, i'd appreciate any reply. И извини што так поздно начил думать как помочь в войне. Главным считаю мир, не идеологий и политику, но надо знать и што ожидать. Слава i мир Украïни✌🙏🏼

[@courinno4702]

Very informative video.

[@scottjackson1420]

I feel very close to Ukraine, having adopted a boy from Luhansk. I spent a lot of time there, and in Kiev. This lovely, sad country has my full support.

[@Lretrotech]

This really reminds me of the winter war the soviet union carried out against the Finnish. The general idea is, a large power takes on a seemingly inferior opponent, and hopes to defeat them quickly because of that fact. Then the larger power realizes they didn’t prepare enough and they have their incompetency put on display to the world in a humiliating manner.

[@nikitajukov4915]

And it ended in favour of USSR because Hitler made up a wrong premise of what soviets can actually do.

[@christopherwang4392]

Even though the Soviet Union technically won the Winter War and gained control of Finnish border areas, Finland was still able to preserve its independence and sovereignty and avoid becoming a Soviet puppet state. I wouldn't be surprised if the current Russo-Ukrainian War ends in a similar outcome with Russia occupying Southern and Southeastern Ukraine but the rest of Ukraine in the West surviving as a free and independent nation.

[@nikitajukov4915]

@@christopherwang4392 it is really easy to avoid something that was not a goal of opposing side. Stalin wanted Finland as independent but friendly capitalist power - he got it.

[@turinturambar3592]

@@christopherwang4392 And the war was real war fight on the battlefield, there were no civilians around (they had been evacuated weeks before the war started). It was how would I say "real fair war". I'm a Finn who lost many relatives in that war and I know something about that war.

[@gulfmarine8857]

Hopefully russians wind up making Ukraine more fertile 💀💀☠☠

[@horusfalcon]

Interesting quote by General Pershing. I remember a similar quote attributed variously to General Omar Bradley and General George C. Marshall: "Amateurs study tactics; professionals study logistics." This succinct formulation of the winning rubric has eluded many would-be conquerors through the centuries of human conflict.

[@cynthiavanteylingen7922]

So putin is an amateur and zelynsky a profesional. I like that idea gives a lot of hope for ukraine.

[@kreek22]

@@cynthiavanteylingen7922 They're both amateurs, but the Z-man has highly competent allies and Putin does not.

[@horusfalcon]

@@cynthiavanteylingen7922 Very often, crisis will make professionals of amateurs. In this case, it looks like Ukraine has taken a page from Finland's playbook. I hope they make Russia pay dearly for every square centimeter of ground they take.

[@carbon1255]

@@cynthiavanteylingen7922 I wouldn't attribute logistics to the highest offices, but it is more of a economic issue. Russia does not have the money to supply an army of more than 100,000 before it suffers logistical issues. 160,000 is its max capacity to mobilize at all, and it sent as big a force as it could essentially. It was all or nothing for the Russians. It was no secret to them or us exactly how many they can field, and clearly, nor to Ukraine, who was ready to defend in depth. So far this has been textbook defence in depth, and it is no snub to any army to have stalled under these tactics to a well fortified opponent. The Allies in WW2 stalled under very similar conditions. Really this war was a gamble, a gamble that Ukraine did not expect a lightning push to Kyiv - and I think for the most part that is true- They didn't expect it but planned for it anyway. Even still, the Russians did counter plan and they did get relatively close to succeeding. Quite frankly, I think the main issue was that Ukraine had 8 years to prepare for this. I rather think Trump had an effect there, not for any personal traits except for his unpredictability- though arguably he is responsible for the current weak president too. Just as we cower from Putin seeming like a loose cannon, so was that man.

[@horusfalcon]

@@cynthiavanteylingen7922 That may be a bit of a stretch. This conflict is far from over. Mr. Putin may surprise us all just yet.

[@GRasputin91]

Ive seen this compared to the Vietnam War--a major power attempting to invade a small foreign country in hopes of a speedy victory through force of arms, not counting on the will and capability of the defenders.

[@johnnaliggett3625]

Very informative.

[@nicoz4122]

Great content ! One point was missed is the nature of the terrain. When it is frozen, then there are still ways to go through offroad. But, depending on the weather, with spring, the terrain becomes more muddy thus much more complicated to "drive" offroad. There is even a word for these conditions: Rasputitsa which might be the true reason why the ground invasion has stalled so far.

[@Lochness19]

Some think part of the reason the Russians advanced further in the south is that the south is drier and less muddy.

[@dugroz]

So time is on Ukraine's side, then?

[@specialingu]

@@dugroz probably not, i dont know how long the muddy season lasts, but once its over, it would make offroading viable

[@HH-le1vi]

@@specialingu if Putin doesn't resolve this in a month Russia is going to be thrown into a state it won't get out of unless Putin is overthrown and I wouldn't be surprised if someone is planning an assassination

[@so2easy]

@@HH-le1vi in the game of War, people dont make hasty decisions and usually plan out all of their moves and counter moves. People are underestimating this, how can you take something so serious and think so blatantly, or stupidly is beyond me. Carpet bombing = no cities, no army to fight against, but hey.. its not a USA led war.