The Failure of Team Fortress 2

[@bingo54]

recently, the bots started sending CP links on server chat. This is real life illegal and disgusting shit and valve is allowing it

[@louctendo1321]

wtf!?

[@animanera89]

The cunts can't really go lower than that...

[@keswinko]

Valve IS in much bigger trouble if that is true.

[@KikyouNeko]

lol if that's true that's really fked up, just by clicking and entering them with javascript enabled (which is the default on most browsers) might get your PC tagged for potential CP lol

[@cardman5196]

​@@KikyouNeko can confirm that statement. I joined a server a few weeks ago and found some bots sending CP links which I left immediately, I'm guessing they're now making bots to send CP links to cause havoc even more.

[@mouseburger4183]

If you have tf2 Change your review to negative and share your stories! Only way to get Valve to fix it is to make noise. And it ain't over when valve sends out a tweet its over when they fix the game

[@AgentCocopuff]

i havent touched the game in years but got 200-300 hrs. posted my first steam review for this. #FIXTF2

[@tehPete]

IMO, review-bombing a 17 year old game that has been free to play for some 14 years isn't going to get anything done - Valve has proven that it has no intention of supporting TF2 so long after its release. It's honestly baffling - but maybe a bit less so when you consider how bots abuse it to gain on the Steam marketplace, and that Valve takes a cut of those sales. Thanks, Zesty Jesus! Valve really does need to do something though, because if they continue to sit there elbow-deep in their own ass for much longer they may find that their claim to the IP is irrevocably weakend.

[@matiaq2629]

actually the only way to maybe get Valve to fix some of it is by impacting their finances

[@snoot6629]

Woke ass protesters lol

[@TylerMiller87]

​@@tehPeteand they're in the process of developing a new hero shooter. I don't understand how they think the poor response to this game's awful state won't hurt the reputation of their upcoming game(s.) They're making it clear that doxxing and harassment are ok as long as the game isn't meeting their profit standards.

[@tanjredshirt]

Thank you for explaining this to non-TF2 players.

[@notawizard6714]

“Can’t have your cake and eat it too” really sums up Valve’s impact on the issue. #FixTF2 #SaveTF2

[@ArcticBlits]

Bro they told you already. The cake is a lie

[@Kitsoonaye]

Monke, a TF2 KZbinr, recently made a community post suggesting we do not buy the upcoming Summer crates in a way to tell Valve we want something done. They're sure to do something if they don't make money.

[@TheYamiks]

Buying lootboxes in the FIRST place should be condemned! Fuck gambling!

[@Kitsoonaye]

@@TheYamiks hell yeah and Battle Passes aren't better either lol

[@TheSpazzDragon]

we should start adding the #BoycotDeadlock to the list of things we add to our #fixTF2 posts. A large group of people going around saying "If you can't trust valve to protect their users from bots in their existing games, you can't trust them to do it for new ones." Might change some opinions. Because we all know that Valve is going to use the same micro transaction BS in Deadlock as they used in TF2 and Counter Strike.

[@terrordarky]

to be fair, i'd wager most people weren't going to play that slop anyway.

[@supasoljas7824]

Boycotts don't really work though, that's kinda the issue

[@O6i]

If only valve reinvested 1% of their annual earnings into development we might actually have some decent games.

[@BenersantheBread]

I think one thing that highlights Valve's sheer malicious negligence when it comes to the bots and something that doesn't get mentioned nearly as often as it should is that when Valve started catching flak from games journos for the bots spamming every slur under the sun their solution was to mute every free account until it's made a purchase. New players can't even fucking call for Medic. Not to mention that this hasn't stopped the bots from spamming slurs since the bot hosters are already paying money for the privilege of ruining games so a tiny bit more really doesn't matter to them. Valve has, in essence, profited from the bots.

[@furociousarts]

So in other words, Valve is supporting their actions as they gain income from them...

[@Plinker.]

This is absolutely tragic... Why dosent valve care...

[@geopold2a4]

cause dota makes them more money

[@furociousarts]

Cuz Valve is scummy and only wants money...

[@cantstandurbs876]

The fact that Valve is working on a new multiplayer game while all of their other games are infested with cheaters and bots is laughable, what do they think is gonna happen if they release that garbage in their current state? I'm pretty sure they know what will happen, and instead of fixing it, will just add lootboxes to Deadlock and call it a day. Seriously people, speak with your wallets, Valve only speaks money, not english, not actual words, they-speak-MONEY, the people that kept gambling hundreds of thousands of dollars into lootboxes just to get an unusual effect and flex it like an insufferable prick are the kind of people that monetarily supported Valve's neglect for half a decade at this point.

[@edgarsilva4744]

Now this one... I did not expect. A nice surprise nonetheless #FixTF2

[@sutorippuwebmaster8783]

As someone who has played TF2 more than I care to admit... "Wait, it's all bots?!" "Always has been."

[@1mariomaniac]

We've officially passed the 250,000 name milestone!

[@NFawc]

Used to play this loads many MANY years ago.

[@EtheE]

Something important to note about TF2's lootboxes is that they are entirely optional. Not in the sense that you can just enjoy the game without using the content locked behind the lootboxes, but that every single item which can be obtained from lootboxes can also be traded for *as part of the game* using in game items or real life currency (via the market). You don't have to gamble a single cent to get any cosmetic (aside from unusuals which are so rare no one is selling them, but for 99.5% of the playerbase you aren't going to want those anyway). I think this makes TF2's monetization much, much more tolerable than a typical lootbox model. Content isn't locked behind gambling. Additionally, unless you explicitly want the flashy effects or stat tracking cosmetics, you can get the majority of cosmetics for pennys.

[@mynameisMinos]

Gabe is busy eating his 1,268,792,233th burger. He can't work on the game

[@mercenarygundam1487]

LOL! Pretty much

[@Shroud66]

That's an interesting story but small important question. 1:06 Why is Banana in the top 10 and above TF2 !? 👀

[@HiSodiumContent]

It drops "banana skins" randomly which can be sold on the market. So, it's on the top played because people are trying to earn Steam money.

[@Shroud66]

@@HiSodiumContent Ah so the same issue as TF2. 🤦‍♀

[@user-in1il7bl1s]

I have an idea let’s just annoy valve until they fix it

[@xXSimplySammyXx]

Thank you for making this video! ❤ #FixTF2 #SaveTF2

[@PhantomDogman]

Well, Valve is doing something - making a new multiplayer game for which they will leave the same or similars problems (bots, cheaters, etc.) in the game, seeing what they are (not) doing to tf2 and cs2.

[@arghpee]

item collector bots are sinister? theyve been around longer than you've hit puberty friend.

[@nocturne6320]

Used to play it a lot, still play during halloween, since the custom gamemodes and spells are fun. Tbh it seems like an incredibly idiotic business decision from Valve to just let it die, since so many other class based shooters fell off the face of the Earth, yet TF2 is still going strong in terms of the fan base, that is a dream of every game studio in existence. I'm glad that the community is not giving up, but I can't hope for it to do much. Also, vote with your wallets, not just with ratings. Also, thank you for calling TF2 out for the lootboxes

[@in-craig-ible6160]

All my friends are begging me to join them and I just can't knowing what an absolute sh!tshow it's become.

[@tenyearsinthejoint1]

Knowing Valve, You can't expect ANYTHING from them

[@damsen978]

Can't you just tell them to look for a vanilla community server to invite you in? There should be one there somewhere. Uncletopia is full of tryhards and has no random crits, so i would avoid it.

[@fadedgames1]

Understandable

[@MaschenkoAN]

as Russian the reason why right now there are that many bots here is because you can't buy games using Russian cards but you can buy keys from these bots and sell them in steam - transferring money to your steam wallet

[@Creetosis]

Great video, man!

[@TheYamiks]

Hey. Thanks for making your vids too!

[@NorthstarHU]

the right and only thing to do is to stop playing, stop using market, stop buying selling items,uninstall, leave a negative review on steam and let the game die, i 1200 hours in the game so i know it is time to let go this waste of time and effort of a game.

[@SonicMegamanFan]

You know what's the worst part of these bots and hackers? Valve uses the same game engine for every game they release, it's just slightly modified. Half Life, Half Life Team Deathmatch, Garry's Mod, Team Fortress, Team Fortress 2, Portal, Portal 2, Left 4 Dead, Left 4 Dead 2, all use the Source Engine. Which means if Valve is seriously dumb enough to release their new game Deadlock, which is GUARANTEED to be made with the Source Engine just like all their other games, then that means 1 thing: Hackers already have exactly what they need to destroy that game FROM THE BEGINNING. Valve is literally just shooting themselves in the foot and reloading the gun without moving it to shoot again. Deadlock would release and IMMEDIATELY become just as infested with the same problem of cheaters and hackers and bots. And Valve would only have themselves to blame. They won't do anything to fix the bot and hacker crisis in TF2? Okay great, hope you never planned on releasing any new games for money because THEY ARE DEAD ON ARRIVAL FROM THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM YOU WON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT!!! This is exactly why literally no other game company would be this stupid and ignore a massive problem this bad with their game. BECAUSE IT COULD INSTANTLY BECOME A PROBLEM FOR ANY OTHER GAME THEY MAKE!!! AND WITH THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF A MARKET ON THE LINE THAT'S AN EVEN BIGGER REASON TO ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THIS, THAT'S SO MUCH MONEY THEY WOULD INSTANTLY LOSE!!!!

[@TaliZVasTyria]

Only way to fix this is to stop playing and buying the loot boxes of tf2 If the boxes has no buyer, then the price will drop like hell no? Economy ruined, no more farming bot Still doesnt solve the cheater ones but valve would took notice too if the game got no incomes from the boxes

[@rejvaik00]

For me this is Valve last chance if they don't fix this then I'm giving up not that I'm going to stop playing the game but I'm going to give up all hope that TF2 will ever get fixed But knowing how lazy valve is that they just might do the horrible solution and just shut the entire game down because that technically would fix the problem

[@doctormedic2682]

I’m glad this is getting more reach. There seems to be this belief that this is a TF2 issue. It is not. TF2 is getting the most heat from it, it’s the catalyst for this outcry, but this is a Valve problem overall. Valve neglects their games and just lets this happen. Not doing anything to solve it. Counter Strike has been experiencing similar issues albeit to a less degree. I believe L4D2 has been receiving DDOS attacks. Valve does not care about their consumers and more people need to know this before giving them a dime. I also heard that these bots have been spamming CP links in chat as well. I haven’t seen it for myself, but I have seen screenshots… so there is that too. This needs to be fixed asap

[@NRG_Balbodane]

Blud thinking a battlepass ruined cod is fucking funny

[@shoutingstone]

I've had regular LAN nights with the same group of friends for more than 20 years, and Team Fortress was a staple of those for nights for the majority of that time (team fortress classic pre 2007 obvs). Not anymore though. The hacking and the bots are just out of control.

[@justbarkloke5601]

To be fair, valve probably already did the 99.9% of money tf2 was going to make, so i wouldnt be calling it a failure. no to mention if you guys don't actually stop playing and spending money, nothing will happen

[@harsildragon1255]

Just disable all sniper rifles? or just the headshots?

[@lemon14141]

Yaaass, yamiks watches the lazer pig :)

[@silverthorngoodtree5533]

I used to farm the Strange Gold weapon items and gold frying pans.. then the bots came.. and I left.. was so fun.

[@Dużydymm]

This is the moment when tf2 is officially death

[@Workers12]

>"of course russians ruin it" bro doesn't know vpns exist, lmao.

[@TheYamiks]

bro is an economic genius right here.

[@Workers12]

@@TheYamiks glad that you didn't refute my point about "vpn's" and instead you try to do silly "comeback" LUL

[@azure8676]

the bots are the reason why its top 10 Lmao

[@generalzeta7000]

Get rid of the bots and real players can start getting back in. Players like me that gave up playing, but would love to rejoin if dealt with.

[@azure8676]

@@generalzeta7000 true but i dont think the game has as many die hards as people think

[@Eric4bz]

Yamiks do you perchance work at a drycleaners? Because you air dirty laundry pretty damn good.

[@TylerMiller87]

I love this game but I don't know if "simple gameplay" (0:52) is an appropriate descriptor, lol. #savetf2 #fixtf2

[@cadturt9295]

this will only be fixed when CS:2 gets the same review bomb #save CS:2 treatment. it has many of the same problems, but because its main mode is comp and not casual (as seen by the most players playing competitive rather than casual) the bots have found their own system of afk. they queue a match, check for a match ready, and a random number on a side presses ready. if that number is the correct amount, the other team of bots accept the match and once in game after a few rounds, one side surrenders. the only reason counter strike was never affected by these bots was because they are isolated and play amongst themselves, you wont see a community server that is afk'd by bots because they have comp, where only other bots can see that this is even happening. Its not just TF2 that valve doesnt care about, its all of their games, and theyve never made a functional anti-cheat.

[@RedDemoRedemtion2]

1, I refuse to spend money on games, the loot boxes are perfectly fine. 2, just play community servers, they tend to have little to no bots, and casual was terrible before the bots. 3, the only issue I really have with the game is no F2P chat, and that's dealt with in the community servers. ALL YOUR PROBLEMS ARE SOLVED IN COMMUNITY SERVERS.

[@animanera89]

Yeah cancer-casual and the loss of choices and control over what to do and how to do it was a heavy blow already

[@FabianoVo]

The problem is that the numbers of players in tf2 is declining, new players are rare because they download the game and join casual servers, see the shitshow that mode has become and leave the game, so there are players leaving the game and none joining, I think the game would be better if VALVe would shut down casual and make community servers more accessible, as it was in 2007

[@ScaryProbe]

Time to port it to source 2. Make it P2P, remove crits, & allow you to change character's appearance like the agents in CS.

[@wotanvonedelsburg1610]

was it source 2?

[@PhazonSouffle]

I played the shit out of tf2 back in the day. Then they made it free to play and ruined it forever. Fuck lootboxes and everyone who buys them.

[@ziphy_6471]

Why fuck the people who buys them and not the company who makes them. Are you braindead?

[@TheAlienFromToyStory.]

Community is really corrupt

[@applebabbleextra5099]

You are delusional if you think tf2 going free to play was ever a problem

[@ziphy_6471]

@@applebabbleextra5099 It was Meet Your Match

[@PhazonSouffle]

@@applebabbleextra5099 I guess you just like being a paypig for Valve.

[@anitabath8315]

Your spy gameplay was pretty good. You’re like the Lebron James of casual tf2 spy.

[@cinnabuns9450]

#FixTF2

[@mathew2214]

free to play was a mistake

[@yahyagd5637]

I think a paywall is never a solutions because the bots are already profitable with advertisements,scams,and litral crimes,as we saw with valve blocking all communication for f2ps,that didn't work at all and bots still constantly harass people and spread hate using chat,while the number of bots would be a lot less due to the game being like 20 dollars,they would still presist because bots are very profitable for these people

[@richardbudge9416]

in order to talk in text chat, you need to pay at least 5 dollars. the bots circumvent this using other country money converison rates, or simply hack into and steal steam accounts, as there is no risk of getting banned. If tf2 had an initial price it wouldn't stop them

[@yahyagd5637]

@@richardbudge9416 exactly

[@elfascisto6549]

​@@richardbudge9416 how does that work ?

[@hunsoulo8112]

ehh the lootbox blowup is way more blamed on battlefront 2 EA. ya know with its way to win mechanic sparking all the investigations and junk. i actually didnt take much issue with overwatch 1s lootboxes. however because all loot boxes everywhere overwatch had to remove the ability to buy them and likely why overwatch 2 didnt have them at all and instead you have to spend your life savings for a single skin. no exceptions.

[@KarnBlueEarring]

I have a controversial idea but it may just work. Personally I think making TF2 F2P was a mistake. Now what if Valve were to introduce "premium servers"? A one-time payment to access these servers. With that the bots are kept out of reach, Steam has a new way to profit and players can play in peace, and people who don't want or can not pay are still able to play on F2P or Community servers. I feel like that would be a win on all fronts.

[@LEGOkingJETTT]

Don't close the market as a whole. Just disable the random item drop all together! A sucky solution, but an easy one that would be totally worth it imo.

[@TheYamiks]

Instead of random item drops have achoevement drops

[@LEGOkingJETTT]

@@TheYamiks YES!

[@Squimpis]

The bots are so bad most reviews for tf2 have become mostly negative

[@iammonke5970]

TF2 is too great of a game to abandon and forget, even if it never gets a single update ever again, it at least deserves to go down with honor, not at the hands of some basement kids and pyschopath scum. Valve just needs to fix the damn anti-cheat. #FixTF2

[@tuefort957]

Everyone, Please just accept the #AbandonTF2 movement instead; it's much easier to do You, people, are all quite *STUBBORN,* you know that (not to mention; *short-sighted)* Even if TF2 is finally *PUT TO REST* we'll still have both *TF2 Classic* and *Open Fortress* to replace and *SUCCEED* its legacy

[@tehPete]

After 17 years, isn't it about time that the keys were added into the random loot drop pool - where they should have arguably been from the very start? It was that choice by Valve that really turned me away from tf2, though I did eventually return many years later. Lootcrates, in a game I paid full price for, that can't be unlocked through normal gameplay and whose loot pool is primarily common drops you can get through normal gameplay? These days they'd be crucified if they tried that little stunt. If Valve would employ just a handful of people to scan and ban bots even just using the methods Zesty Jesus used, it could be a largely solved issue; it's really quite mad that they haven't done more, considering how easily ZJ was able to identify so many accounts just from public data.

[@JBirdOlliesFan]

add a captcha to tf2

[@S5mplex]

Love the video

[@MrBelaska]

As a huge player,both of tf2 and cs2 (cs go) over the course of like 13 years both,having 4000 hours and more on both of the games,im just thinking valve will do nothing,i mean take a look at CS2 ,it is infested too,they did something little about it,soft devs found a ways and now its the same shitstorm again... and then deep silence ,but at least cs2 gets more updates (of course its a new game) But still if games like Valorant and Fortnite can have good anti cheat (you can cheat yeah...but you will get banned in few moments) then why not cs2 or tf2 ? Multi $ company cant make a good anti cheat ??? i know... we know for years VAC is crap but still ... my final verdict is that they will do maybe something little and give us radio silence once again or worst case scenario nothing ,because you know its "VALVE" #VOLVOfixTF2

[@alschn1072]

Good Video

[@KurtOng37]

#FixTF2🍘

[@Exoreya]

maybe its time for team fortress more the 2 but less the 4, valve has the moneny to do it and it would make for an oppertunity to rework many broken things and the ranked system. look at cs2 and dota 2, its not like valve is incapable of making competitive games and with the stelar reviews on overwatch 2 it could be the next big heroshooter. just sad to see how much such a beloved game is ignored and let to die by valve

[@ConcavePgons]

They are struggling with bots in CS2, so I think Valve really needs to rethink how they do Anti-Cheat in their games in general since its not really working out for them.

[@davidcenturion961]

i think deadlock is going to take it place

[@wotanvonedelsburg1610]

@@davidcenturion961 deadlock?

[@davidcenturion961]

@@wotanvonedelsburg1610 new valve's hero shooter

[@wotanvonedelsburg1610]

@@davidcenturion961 I never heard of.

[@Overhawk_Red1214]

Failure is a strong word, more like failing success tbh it is still good but it is definitely showing its age and the bots are horrendous

[@noahthecrazy1632]

#fixtf2

[@Tales541]

Honestly, I cannot see the gripe with microtransactions for only cosmetic itens, specially with a free game. If they were pay to win items then yes, it is not commendable, but since it is for cosmetics, I lack the ability to comprehend such complaint. "But the bots are abusing the system compromising the game experience" So the problem is the bots, not the system by itself. This game is free to play, I prefer it is maintained with cosmetic microtransactions than with pay to win ones.

[@PanTF]

👍

[@alkhaov]

hi

[@phyll0medusa]

How are u gonna fix it? The literal source code got leaked, there's no way to fix it, just adapt to reality

[@sebastienholmes548]

Have proper anti-cheat.

[@phyll0medusa]

@@sebastienholmes548 With the source code leaked the anti-cheat won't save you. If everything would be so easy, Valve wouldn't give up on this fight

[@PDudeJr]

The bots started after MYM, way before the source code leak. They can absolutely make a functioning anticheat, they can afford it.

[@ziphy_6471]

@@phyll0medusa New mechanic is not in the source code moron

[@antongorov5275]

@@phyll0medusa You probably never heard of this, but there is something called updates. It is when you modify a piece of software with the goal of improving it. This allows the product owners to change how it works, including improving an anti-cheat technology.

[@KSV_]

Deadlock better

[@FrenchFryCheese04]

Lmao no

[@KSV_]

@@FrenchFryCheese04 cry

[@tobsmonster2]

#FixTF2

[@KianFloppa]

#FixTF2