The Fake Bach Strad, 2023 Update

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[@southerncharmsp]

I remember finding your channel as an 8th grade trumpet player. You had somewhere near 10-30k if I'm remembering properly and this was the vid I came across (it was already a year or two old). 5 years later and I'm a sophmore and college and have enjoyed your content from then until now without fail. It's very impressive to see your progression both musically and physically and I hope that one day you make it big bro.

[@Euphonium_boi]

Well, how is it going?

[@mooron394]

He's back! Yay! Your videos are partly what got me invested in playing euphonium and cornet

[@nyancs7098]

His last video was only a week ago?

[@mooron394]

@@nyancs7098 yeah but it's the first one about a brass instrument in a bit and sometimes it's random how long it is between videos

[@nyancs7098]

@@mooron394 ahhh gotcha. I’m liking his organ videos atm tho

[@mooron394]

@@nyancs7098 yeah not that I don't like the organ vids because they are very cool but I like the instrument reviews just as much

[@garygreen7552]

Near the end of my teaching career Vincent Bach's company was bought by Selmer. At some point they began selling student model trumpets with the Bach name on them I have to wonder if someone bought Selmer Bach's and put them knock-off cases to sell as genuine. These were a notch above the Bundy trumpets that were the beginner models sold for years by Selmer. They had some features that were not on the Bundy. However, these were not the professional instruments that Vincent Bach had crafted for so many years. I don't know if they followed a similar path with their student trombones. As a public school instrumental music teacher for 40 years I was very familiar with the Selmer Bundy instruments, and they were very good for beginners. They were also durable. I am a tuba player and I have a Vincent Bach mouthpiece that was made by his company, and I have used it for decades.

[@milojohnson3057]

i started on a selmer bundy! used it throughout high school marching band too, little tank of a horn

[@mayclarque4123]

One of the guys I went to high school with had one of the Bach student trombones; he had to have a brace soldered back together because it broke while pulling a mouthpiece.

[@es5574]

You ended your teaching career in 1961? How old are you ??

[@garygreen7552]

@@es5574 Vincent Bach was around for a long time, but I believe that his company was still a separate company until it was bought by Selmer. I don't know when that happened. I do know I surprised to see student trumpets labeled with the Bach name sometime after 2000. Most of the time I taught the Selmer student line was Bundy. I retired about 2010 after 40 years in public school music.

[@es5574]

Bach sold his company in 1961, but he stayed as a consultant untill about a year before he died in 1976. The company moved from Mt. Vernon to Elkhart, Ind. in '65. Besides the Stradivarius line, Bach always has had some student lines, not just Bundy. In the old days there was the Minerva, later on you had the Mercedes I and II, the Omega and then the different TR numbers and quite some others. But the instrument mr. Hamilton is showing here has really nothing to do with the Bach Selmer company, it's an illegal Chinese knock-off.

[@nattance1]

I have noticed that nearly all of the Chinese "knock-offs"/"fakes" occasionally throw a good horn, in spite of themselves. True, I have sometimes had to send the initial offering back, but once they've read my criticisms, they have replaced the duds with well-playing horns. I have likewise played some really lousy instruments from "reputable" makers -- and got a good one back in exchange. So I now judge a horn by how it plays, individually -- regardless of the brand stamped on it. Any manufacturer can throw either a good "fluke" or a bad one. I prefer the cheap-but-good "flukes," since I'm never flush with funds!

[@patrickbateman6682]

I stand by my getzen capri that I got for 150 bucks. Plays better than my "professional" horn

[@hrnbearva]

Wow the beard is back thick and looking great along with the glasses and hair! Always thought the original Bach vid was wild admitting that it wasn't absolutely horrible, but it's also wild how far the "ISO" have come. Agree that it's uncool that people in the market for the real thing have to worry about fakes.

[@bonerici]

And now I get to watch the update!

[@The_hornsman]

Lol. I bought this trumpet after watching your review 7 years ago. I still play it now on KZbin.

[@resetsetmefree478]

would you say they are adequate as beginner horns and maybe for marching?

[@The_hornsman]

@@resetsetmefree478 yes, I have played mine for over 7 years now, and it works pretty well. Certain notes will be off or require more effort than with a professional trumpet but it’s hardly noticeable by a beginner.

[@wesleyrichards8027]

I just realized I tried to buy that exact one. I was at band practice so I forgot to bid.

[@ferretyluv]

Noooo! Not the collection! I’m glad you’re promoting integrity. Yeah, some bootlegs can be decent, but they’re still bootlegs and shouldn’t be encouraged.

[@jeffreyyoung4104]

I remember that original video. I was surprised at your reaction to a counterfeit, but I am happy to see you update your opinion of it!

[@pipingpepsi6665]

I’m going to miss that trumpet… it was one of the first videos of yours I watched, after the trombone family comparison video

[@andrewkelly80]

That's a very brave and very honest video - thank you Trent.

[@bonerici]

Wish you had played it one time for us

[@Joeybsmooth]

Aww i was thinking it was going to be a give away 😆

[@sebthi7890]

when i started to play trumpet in 1971 i would have been glad to get such a nice trumpet. I was loand an old German rotary valve trumpet, blunt and slightly dented, a brass mouthpieces, obviously pre war. Was no inspiration to learn. Later 1977 i could buy a cheap Yamaha, silver plated. Decades later i bought second hand three pricey trumpets, one called B&S, one Courtois and the last ... forgotten the brand, a name of a jazz trumpeter. To short the story, the B&S was Chinese made , the Courtois made by B&S and the last one Chinese too. The Chinese were good instruments, better than my cheap line Yamaha. The German made Courtois was really disappointing. As a child i would have been lucky if there would have been possible to purchase such a nice and pricey instrument.

[@bobboscarato1313]

Hello Trent I have a question about another of your videos where you play a duet with a soprano trombone; the other Trombone had a double slide; was it a contrabass trombone?

[@TrentHamilton]

Yes.

[@bobboscarato1313]

@@TrentHamilton Thank you!

[@RyanAlexanderBloom]

Multiple of my students have bought cheap instruments from China for their beginner purposes. It’s sometimes hilarious. One brand “Eastar” sells percussion kits (practice pad and bells) with the Eastar brand on the bag and the pad. The bells are Pearl, the stand is NOT Pearl, and the top of the stand may be a different brand than the bottom. The stand doesn’t interface with the instrument at all, meaning you have to weld or glue on extra parts for it to work. It looks like Eastar bought some bags and pads and just screen printed on their logo, then bought seconds or defective Pearl bells, generic non-matching stands, and popped all that into their bags. None of it was meant to go together and it doesn’t work at all. But it’s cheap so people keep buying it.

[@johnroberts5515]

I bought one of these "Bach" 37 too, to see what it was like, but knew that it was a "knock-off", as I already had a Bach Strad 43, and a 37. I also found it to be quite good, but have not really played it. I would usually steer clear of an obvious fake. But at the same time, some years ago, there were advertised (clearly fake) "Selmer alto sax Mk VI" at a cheap price below $,1000 (Oh, yeah?). I do wish that I had bought one, just to try it out, as I would never be able to afford the real (used) Mark VI.

[@phillipdavenport4997]

Do the Bach trombone still exist and how valuable are they I still have my beginner trombone from Reynolds. I got it in 6th grade. I graduated high school in 85 so it tells you the age

[@user-mn7pq5nr7l]

What's your present opinion for the best sub $1000 Trumpet available.

[@owensmith7530]

Trent clearly needs more space for the all conquering organ.

[@TrentHamilton]

And money :(

[@user-pi5bq1ij7i]

Does Bach have a product line called "Prelude" at all?

[@jorgeadrianoarteagalopez1369]

X2

[@justinblake7355]

Damn, $60 is a bargain.

[@user-rg6ck4mg9y]

why did not play to the trumpet!?

[@JMcKey21]

Awe, I'm feeling a bit nostalgic for this knock-off fake :(

[@mayclarque4123]

If you’re thinning the herd and want to get rid of the frumpet, let me know! Honestly you have so much weird obscure stuff that it got me into collecting.

[@Metal-Possum]

It's a Faching good trumpet for what it is though.

[@Ivansgarage]

Got another cheap cornet/trumpet for sale....

[@zahileeson7499]

Hey, I was just wondering where you get all your obscure instruments. Like is it a special site?

[@Xzyum00]

By the way, what happened to your beautiful sounding intros? I miss them.

[@roblamastus]

Downsizing your collection!? One of the things that makes your channel great is how big it is. Also you coulda melted it live.

[@nixnoc]

time to buy a 60 dollar trumpet now after selling that one

[@supersaggybelly1353]

U should def send It to me :/

[@lonnyyoung4285]

Is someone a DS9 fan?

[@werdwerdus]

🙋‍♂️

[@vertigemtattoo]

So play

[@carolecarr5210]

Bach/ Strad is conflicting to begin with, eh??

[@christophertsiliacos8958]

So, it's a fake. When you purchased it, you knew it was a fake. But is it legally a counterfeit? If it doesn't try to pass itself off as a genuine Bach Strad trumpet, how is it a counterfeit? In order for it to be a counterfeit, it needs to be made with the intent to defraud as being the real product. There is no intent to defraud even though it’s a cheap Chinese knockoff, Trent.

[@adrock889]

The horn literally says Bach on it

[@christophertsiliacos8958]

@@adrock889Actually, it literally says “Prelude by Bach” according to Trent. Besides, the biggest red flags were the price: $280 (US) delivered, and not sold by a reputable dealer. Those things suggest that it’s a phony, fake and a fraud. BTW: I have a trumpet with the words "designed by Vincent Bach BUNDY" above the bell that I acquired back in 1967, which I still play today. Does that count as a Bach? 🤔🎺

[@mikestang679]

$60.00 Bucks for a fake Stradivarius, should have listed it one ebay, they go for $400.up.with disclosure...