THE FALL new puritan (Peel Session) 1980

[@10538overture]

I sold a copy of the 3rd Scott Walker album to Birmingham's Plastic Factory in the mid 80s and had to accept their offer of £5 because I was flat broke. Then next week, they were selling it for £20. In revenge I "liberated" a copy of this amazing double single (it was easier to smuggle out than Throbbing Gristle's Frankfurt/Berlin 12"). Much as I love Scott and TG, I still think I came out on top eventually.

[@FreudianSlipandSlide-s5g]

Good for you. All property is theft, so technically you stole nothing. You just repossessed it with glory in mind...

[@theefishlippedone]

tbf 25% is a pretty good even deal nowadays, most dealers lowball

[@leavethecapitol]

strong candidate for the greatest song ever recorded.

[@johncarty9072]

Mark E Smith Yes

[@iamdamosuzuki_]

Way up there with “The Classical”, “Slates, Slags, Etc.” And “Tempo House”.

[@1963johnbhoy]

Between everything else they have done.

[@andrina118]

Can I just say "Ifpr one welcome our New Puritan overlords"

[@baubosoul]

Yes

[@luclheureux1077]

Every single line in this song is fucking brilliant. MES doesn't usually get brought up in the conversation of all time best rock lyricists, but he damn well should.

[@Spectrescup]

Yes he does, but it normally concentrates on the period of narrative songs between 80-82. The greatest run of releases this country has ever produced.

[@shadowstealer2790]

M.E.S. as post-punk's Witchfinder General. One of his most commanding lyrical performances, and that's saying something. I used to walk round school quoting "the experimental is now conventional".

[@neo-pelagian]

Yes a very insightful paradox. He was not appreciated as the saying goes.

[@raymondweiss2707]

This is the new Grim Reefer! The snack at the end of the straw!

[@speeduser3597]

MES never recognized the term "post punk". Rock

[@shadowstealer2790]

@@speeduser3597 He never recognised ANY terms applied to him...

[@vollsticks]

Shameful filtching of Stewart Lee's line about "post-punk's Witchfinder General"!

[@carlcameron8333]

On the right day The fall were quite simply the best group in the world....

[@styxcreek]

Every day was the right day

[@simonwolfendale1988]

Be honest, it never got better than this. Not the track, the music in the world.

[@katabat3837]

Came here looking for "Lie Dream...," left speechless. I want the Peel Box. Pure fury.

[@Nechepsos]

Peel sits behind his console... grins and shakes his head. I am again in the presence of genius in the form of some new puritans... post grim nation state...

[@ivantodd3037]

Early 1980. The Fall need a new drummer after Mike Leigh quits. Steve Hanley's 16 year old brother Paul has an audition. Mark E Smith tests him out, with lyrics to a song he's just written - New Puritan - and asks Paul to play along. He spontaneously comes up with the rhythm you're listening to. Read all about it in Steve's great book.

[@chaunceyloveshack9530]

wow, i really need to read that shit

[@michaellakey3565]

Man 0n a mission there 😇

[@robertstevens150]

The snap at the end of the straw.

[@CenturyVole]

Fall at their mightiest. The experimental is now conventional. Famous apes. Hail the New Puritan. Yes Mr. Smith, greatest Fall song ever. Not on any LP. Just a strange acoustic version on Totale Turns. Enigma. The snap at the end of the straw.

[@richardmmason]

IN LA A DRUNK IS SICK ON GENE VINCENT'S STAR ON HOLLYWOOD BOULEVARD... Scanlan's guitar on this is incredible

[@timsimpson8228]

That has to be up there with ultimate Mark E Smith lyriics!

[@solaravus.research]

Of all their great output I keep coming back to this song

[@moss1310]

This song RULES! Hail to the Fall. Consistently brilliant band.

[@thetriumphofthethrill2457]

Best version. Love the last part, what a peaking jam. One of the best examples on what made the band and Post-Punk unique.

[@mikebott6940]

I came for a remedial listen to this, it's still as good as ever.

[@elwoodblues7157]

This is the song I play, if someone asks "what kind of music is the Fall?"

[@raymondweiss2707]

fun fact, this is also Paul Hanley's first recording w/ the band replacing the drummer from Dragnet

[@palmeracallejera]

One of the best I've heard.

[@CenturyVole]

This is simply the actual high water mark for this band. Never better. 1980-81. Fall zenith.

[@hilaryjohnson2386]

Extend that to 1985 and I would agree with you.

[@Spectrescup]

80-82 surely?

[@Spectrescup]

​@@hilaryjohnson2386totally different band by 1985. The only year I saw then live, coincidentally. Was that the year of the Hey Luciana! play cos I saw that too?

[@jimburton1]

The point of the Fall is the whole thing

[@Spectrescup]

@@jimburton1 there's this myth about the Fall now, that everything he touched was gold. I've listened to some of the later hired hand records and they're just competent garage rock. The true Fall was the creeping dread Fall, and, it's true, no-one can keep that schtick going for too long. It either kills you (artistically or otherwise) or you become a self-parody like Tom Waits or Nick Cave.

[@bwoodpop]

A fuckin masterpiece...Rip Mark E Smith.

[@huji891]

Paul Hanley mentioned that his drum intro herein was influenced by XTC's "Making Plans for Nigel"

[@vhliv]

A rant like no other. I have always wondered if MES ever ranted like this just sitting at his local.

[@Hereford1642]

There is an interesting interview by Krishnan Guru Murphy (I think) with an older MES in a pub where MES explains why he does not think large scale immigration to his area is a good thing.

[@kelechi_77]

@@Hereford1642 what does that have to do with anything?

[@Hereford1642]

@@kelechi_77 My comment is in response to someone wondering what MES might rant about in his local. The Guru Murphy interview was in his local. Do you get it now ?

[@kosmischesynth]

What d'you mean what's it mean what's it mean

[@mesolithicman164]

There is something jazz-like going on here. Smith might hate that, but within the groove there is a certain amount of variation and concentration.

[@assvibes3866]

I’d say techno like myself

[@andrewcounts7136]

Pure Genius..Marked Down As Such…👌

[@luclheureux4480]

Coffee table LP's never breathe - fact!

[@raymondweiss2707]

favorite song by the favorite band

[@thomascook746]

Prophetic.

[@coldwar1977]

what a track!

[@laurenh5066]

A PTERODACTYL... CACKLE!

[@SoulStylistJukeBox]

Love the altered lyrics in this version.

[@stevelanciloti1071]

Awesome TY

[@alexerb8310]

this is really good

[@palmeracallejera]

Thank thee much for this. Amen to thee and thine. .

[@meinholundermann]

very good

[@yelly1977]

RIP Mr Smith

[@johncarty9072]

RIP MES genius

[@lorenzoorzari4996]

Raw and relentless.

[@d_walsh]

Thats quite the racket. FALL expertise

[@michaelcolello2735]

THIS IS THE GRIM REEFER

[@bertbretherton]

DEFINES being DEFIANT.

[@emperorsnewclothes9405]

smiffy predicts the 2020's

[@gavinr4214]

Yes!

[@1963johnbhoy]

Strongly agree Mark and you should know.

[@Freddy-Da-Freeloadah]

A parody of XTC! I like it... IMHO

[@chaunceyloveshack9530]

how so?

[@Freddy-Da-Freeloadah]

​@@chaunceyloveshack9530 You don't think the opening drum beat sounds like a mutant version of "Making Plans For Nigel"? kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6GQiH2OhMdljJY

[@rafaelfernandeslopesdeoliv1700]

@@chaunceyloveshack9530 the drums are very much like the drums in making plans for nigel.

[@TenementFunster.74]

prefer this versh

[@elizabethhann4028]

Oh man, this is a deeply creepy song. I know it's supposed to be an irreverent track, but sometimes, man, Mark E. Smith sounds just like HE MEANS IT.

[@Jesusjuicerful]

Elizabeth Hann He does... or he did then anyway.

[@elizabethhann4028]

You don't think he sounds like he means it anymore? Thanks for responding, anyway.

[@MisterSpinalzo]

I'm 100% convinced he always meant it

[@Unfunny_Username_389]

This is the grim reefer.

[@Scitzowicz]

Far far better than very very good *...I'd say

[@andrina118]

The whole country is post-gramme.....

[@NegOedipal]

the whole country is grotesque

[@andrina118]

With a high grim quota

[@andrina118]

the villagers dance round prefabs and laugh through twisted mouths, don't eat it's disallowed ....

[@JMarinelli]

The superior version

[@mauriceleahy7914]

Paul Hanley was the most under rated Fall drummer.

[@raymondweiss2707]

Underrated? I don't think so, maybe underappreciated, but he and his brother formed the main rhythm section of the band during their glory years - while not as flashy as Karl (Brilliant in his own right) the Hanleys are tight as fuck.

[@RayZappa]

What do you mean "What's it mean? What's it mean?" ?

[@Scitzowicz]

pterodactyl cackle *

[@BreconWalsh]

'Rock' is a four letter word.

[@CenturyVole]

I'll second that. Best Fall song ever. The NWRA is second. This sounds nothing like the Dragnet version.

[@hilaryjohnson2386]

It's impossible to pick a favourite Fall track.So many to chose from.

[@fancynot]

*ah ouais, LA version qui tue !

[@LondonDada]

' The grim reefer ' .. def lol

[@TheOneManArmyyyyy2322]

The two people who pressed the dislike button must be Maroon 5 fans.

[@turnipbursttalcumpowder7141]

🐧

[@zetetick395]

Dripping with furious post punk menace! Also : I need this record sleeve on a T shirt :D

[@neilclarkson7365]

Absolute classic, and never given a proper release.

[@sir.public]

this is the proper release

[@Spectrescup]

What are you talking about? It's on the Kicker Conspiracy double 7" and the Peel Sessions box. What more 'real' do you want?

[@neilclarkson7365]

Jeez there’s some nippy people on here, very rude.

[@Spectrescup]

@@neilclarkson7365 well why make patently false comments?

[@neilclarkson7365]

Congratulations, your keyboard warrior skills are exemplary

[@DrStrangeSpock]

Drinkin heavily & Smoking tobacco!? New Puritans hate the poet Mark E. Smith and his commentaries ......ha ha ha ha ha. Pure on. Ciggie at side as seen. OMG not Puritan!

[@mrblue99999]

He was referring to artistic integrity and discipline. Not yoga.