The Fall of Adam & Eve - A Talk by Fr Seraphim Rose

Fr. Seraphim illustrates the Genesis account: Paradise, our free will, the state of Adam before the fall, consequences of the fall, and what it all means to us.

[@susanmazzella865]

I'm in despair. Please pray for this sinner.

[@franciscafazzo3460]

how are you....despairing of self christ delighs in mercy

[@acemanley111]

How are you now Susan?

[@user-yi7td2sq9b]

God bless you

[@Haterofantichrist]

Prayers sent friend, hope your troubles are resolved a year later here. Prayer offered nonetheless. :)

[@MC98765]

I just prayed for you also. How are things going now? I hope you’re doing well now.

[@Zombied77]

These Orthodox channels I've been listening to make so much more sense than what I've heard before.

[@godrilla5549]

Same, going back to anything else feels gross.

[@nassergabriel4778]

Same, I was born to muslim parents but raised lutheran orthodox in Scandinavia, and found my way back to Faith through charismatic non denominational, but here I am, absolutely merged together with Holy Orthodoxy. Glory to God. ☦

[@charliechurch5004]

​@@godrilla5549pastor Murray does the fall of Adam and Eve much better. The sin in the garden is not about eating....... 😏

[@charliechurch5004]

​@@nassergabriel4778praise Jesus!! ❤️💪🏻

[@stylist62]

Very wise Holy man❤️❤️❤️I need to return to who I was born and raised to be Orthodox not Western indoctrination.

[@eldermillennial8330]

Heh. I can tell Father Rose grew up listening to a LOT of Hollywood radio programs as a boy. He has that distinctive hint of “Mid Atlantic” accent! Sometimes you still find old timers who have it. I find that ... cosmically bemusing. Someone SO authentic bearing such a peculiar stamp of the synthetic pseudoculture in which he was raised. God truly raises His Saints to “...contradict the age they live in MOST”.

[@ropre96]

He was a student of Alan Watts from which he, I believe, picked up his proficiency in public speaking on spirituality. There’s certainly a bemusing irony in that. This is said with all due respect to Seraphim Rose.

[@Jesus_is_lord_]

Wait there's a kid in my class who has a similar voice but with a more Midwestern accent, it's pretty interesting to think about, I don't know if the kid is Christian, confused or atheist, he confuses me a lot but again he is a teenager so who knows atp

[@nickmancuso6894]

I love you Father searphim rose pray to God for us

[@TheRealRealOK]

Nick Mancuso Amen

[@maryperez1235]

MethylamineLD50 We are told by Scripture to pray for one and other and in Orthodox thought, the dead are still “living” but encompass the Triumphant Church. We are the Militant Church in this life.

[@someguy9571]

@MethylamineLD50 If you're going to be consistent with your interpretation, don't ask your friends to pray for you. And therefore neglect James 5:16. 🙄

[@someguy9571]

@MethylamineLD50 I wasn't aware that our brothers and sisters in the presence of Christ are dead, or that they stop being part of His Church. Last I checked God is God of the living, and those who believe in Him do not perish.

[@someguy9571]

@MethylamineLD50 What is your definition of "pray"? Edit: Also, talking about someone's dead grandmother doesn't make your position more convincing. It just makes you look like a jackass.

[@DB-dk2mj]

Father,Seraphim - pray for us sinners! From Russia with love!

[@stefanmilanovic85]

Thank you for posting this lecture, it is really profound and I like the voice of father Seraphim. If you have more lectures, please upload them as well. Greetings from Serbia

[@OrthodoxWitness]

You're welcome, Stefan.

[@SLVBULL]

Čuva Bog Srbina svog 🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸

[@monalisa6264]

Mother Seraphim you forgot you had a Mother

[@stevenanderson4515]

Seraphim rose is the spiritual equivalent of drill instructor. We need more like him.

[@IsraelCountryCube]

He really is. I need that drill instructor spiritual godly version! Not meaningless atheist man yelling at me for war!

[@Julia-Julia]

So sad, that Fr. Seraphim left us at 48... 😥... He would have been a great teacher and elder...

[@shoorakhamis3904]

A great loss to us all.i also grieve his early death,

[@noontomidnight]

He was a great teacher and elder

[@Joshualbatross]

Christ Is Risen! Someday, when I am brave enough to move on from my community Bible Church and into a sacramental life with actual liturgy, I will surely join the Orthodox Church. ✝️☦️✝️

[@ImTakinMeFishin]

Don’t wait. I was praying every night for the courage to go back to Liturgical Services but I was done with Roman Catholicism for over a decade. After going to Eastern Orthodox services for a couple months now, I don’t know why I waited so long. They welcomed me with open arms, and the services are truly something beautiful. Good luck and God Bless.

[@user-xk3yp2nh1y]

Please don't wait! When God calls us, we must go immediately. Devil will invent thousands of reasons for just to prevent you from the Holy Sacraments of Confession and Eucharist, he will try to kill your soul some way.

[@dwreck6304]

Just do it Josh

[@maryperez1235]

Josh the Mover Heed the parables....today is the day

[@janniemay4966]

Do it now wont regret one moment

[@byzantinegold]

So many things about the Scripture become clear when listening to Fr. Rose. Brilliant!

[@elizaa..2531]

I Love you so much father Serapheim Rose!You gave so much to humanity!Pray for all of us!

[@northepirus2636]

Батюшка Серафим моли Бога о нас!

[@TheRealRealOK]

Thanks for the upload! Fr. Seraphim, pray for us!

[@zacka.]

Wow, thank you so much. Hearing his voice for the first time. A real miracle - American man becoming an orthodox over many other religions... God have mercy on us !

[@meghanemily-grace5887]

He was a great speaker and I admire his books and talks so much but this wasn't nearly the first American convert to Orthodoxy.

[@Lilo82531]

​@@meghanemily-grace5887first one seen as a saint tho

[@georgiadim5333]

Such a blessed deep salvific talk by Father Seraphim! Thank you for posting it!

[@Nomansland77]

Thank, you, Father Seraphim Rose. For a very educational talk. Very different from when i was a kid and it was seemingly told as a story. But now the full adult worldview of the Christian faith comes into picture. Very different from how many skeptic, Materialist. Strawman the Christian faith in these times we live. But thank you father.

[@IsraelCountryCube]

Yes the mattering Atheists. I'm not a materialistic human male in any sense Im almost there. But I don't matter. Nope. The world isn't what matters. That atheist thinking is toxic to faith! Reasoning is also bad enemy to faith!

[@user-zk7rp9fb6x]

We are blessed to have had him so close to our days and times of this current tribulation. He foresaw these evil trends and provided light to get through. His work becomes more relevant as time goes on.

[@mr.joedirt8583]

He was a homosexual.

[@Cthuski]

​@Mr. Joe Dirt was he repentant?

[@user-zk7rp9fb6x]

@@mr.joedirt8583 He was far beyond the fleshly pleasures. Besides, that is nothing but a rumor nothing ever confirmed.

[@shoorakhamis3904]

@@Cthuski yes he repented

[@panokostouros7609]

47:21 Very humbling point here for men who are tempted to use the failure of Eve and her punishment as excuses to demean women.

[@MegaGraceiscool]

Too true

[@quasihomestead]

Weak men are the cause of the women they complain about.

[@zombiegeorgefloyd2910]

@@quasihomestead “Weak” men only produce faulty behaviour in women insofar as they willingly grant them rights beyond those they have been granted by God - i.e. the right to vote, or to disobey their husbands without facing reprisal.

[@donnas5464]

I’m a catechumen and am continually amazed at how sound the orthodox doctrine is. The orthodox interpretation of scripture when it pertains to the role of women is deeply edifying

[@dropsofink1336]

Brilliant! Thank you! Possibly the pest presentation in the English language that I have ever heard. Thank you Father we love you! Pray for us!

[@kevinswitzer7612]

Lord Jesus Christ son of God, have mercy on us all 🙏❤️☦️

[@sandakureva]

Father Rose is a really fascinating individual.

[@panika2810]

God bless. Great lectures and perspectives from reliable sources. 🇷🇸⛪🙏❤

[@armakadova1]

Amazing audio document oh the Holy man, f.Serapheim 🌹,✨🛐🌐💒💎🥀🛐🛐🛐🍯🥀🎹 please.. our situation is tragically prayerfully considering to Him

[@caramellow5293]

Has anyone else noticed how similar St Seraphim and Robin Williams - the comedian sound. Its amazing... if you close your eyes and just listen you'd think they were the same person.

[@VENEKLASEN5]

It's the subtle 1970's California accent.

[@anthonywhosanthony]

sounds like bob dylan to me

[@j.rebekah8605]

It's not an accent. It's a tone and way of speaking, pausing at certain times, etc.. Yes they do sound somewhat similar, I hadn't noticed.

[@macsenhayes]

This is awesome, I love any and all preaching from back in the day especially an Ortho gem.

[@mattnd20]

Love this talk! From a Roman Catholic

[@JamesW7723]

fr Seraphim was not catholic.

[@Skd92g]

Convert to Orthodoxy please

[@thattimestampguy]

7:55 The Tree of The Knowledge. 9:32 The Two Trees. 10:30 The Choice. Conscious willing. 13:08 Each person is free. 16:41 “It is not good that man should be alone.” 18:48 The Naming of The Animals. Man and Animals lived in Love and Peace. 20:55 Animal Irrational Sense of Man. 21:40 Man ❤️ Woman 22:49 Woman was made after Man; out of Man’s Rib, from “bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh.” 27:43 Woman

[@Ironjessica]

Thank you🙏

[@lawdamercy2078]

what a blessing

[@iktomi5]

What a gift! 110%

[@notofthisworld5267]

Спасибо большое! Beautiful soul! God bless 🙏🏻

[@lyt_w8t]

Wow! this guy is my new favorite

[@MarcusBarnabassisSystersSonne]

Glory to God

[@jamespierce5355]

I used to judge Judas harshly for betraying the Lord for 30 silver pieces. Then I realized I betray Him every day for far less. ☦️

[@karens.8194]

Oh This comment touched my heart. I feel the same 😓

[@MariaMaria-op3ju]

I suffer from perverse thoughts I’m am truly the worlds worst sinner that has ever existed please 🙏🏻 truly pray for my soul please

[@maxsiehier]

I was just reading Rose's biography and in it is written a quote from a blind man "Rose read with such clarity that I almost had the illusion that he was explaining things" and oddly enough while listening to this talk I had to remind myself repeatedly he was reading instead of explaining things. Also Alan Watts popped in my mind several times as Rose sounds a lot like him, and guess what, Rose was a student from Alan Watts. Such strange parallels.

[@DLDLDLDLDLDLD]

Interesting, I was under the impression he was explaining things himself the entire time. Do you know what it is exactly that he is reading?

[@Thedisciplemike]

He wasn't a student of Watts, he just attended his school

[@coreygossman6243]

​@@ThedisciplemikeThat's what a student is

[@Thedisciplemike]

@@coreygossman6243 no its not lol

[@coreygossman6243]

@@Thedisciplemike He studied under Watts. That's a student.

[@chrisrobinson34]

Thank you.

[@carolynpagliuca5657]

Saint Seraphim Rose!!!

[@user-hb1yo5ep9y]

Be YOU. THAT is why "YOU" have shown up😊

[@gizmomogwai2434]

This was amazing. Byzantine catholic here. However we are in communication with the RC church. I never knew the RC believed that way. Everything said here sounds very familiar to me.

[@Bella11264]

Thank You!

[@Julia-Julia]

Very intelligent man!

[@alexandrasymeon8213]

The Nature Fr. is talking about I think is completely different from the state we are in now physically.

[@fansofst.maximustheconfess8226]

Yes.

[@arnoldusrichard3888]

Thank you Glory be to God … on pilgrimage true

[@L2A815]

Love the beard locks

[@josephpack7315]

RC and listening

[@maryhowsrd3381]

Fr seraph rose help me understand. God's will. Susan Martinill. atty

[@brentgarner3143]

Pray for me

[@carolynpagliuca5657]

Amen❣🥰😇

[@alexandrasymeon5893]

Fr. Seraphim Rose should already have been canonized a Saint.

[@1Immanuel8]

Great lecture. Do you have any more? Thank you!

[@troonrose3524]

Christ is Risen! I am very grateful for this presentation! Love Fr Seraphim’s book on the Holy Fathers on Creation and Genesis (available for purchase from St Herman’s). Am also now reading the text online (purportedly transcribed by an attendee from tapes not available to be heard) of his Orthodox Survival Course. Great too! However per a former monk there apparently this is a a pirated and unauthorized copy. Three questions please for Orthodox Witness re this wonderful tape: 1. what book or paper is Father reading from? 2. when and where given? 3. Have you officially asked the Fathers at St Herman Press for permission and a blessing to publish and been denied or not asked? If denied, do you know if they have future plans to publish or share? Thank you in Christ!

[@paulbaba3356]

The original tapes came from a pilgrim. He allows all to hear.

[@frederickanderson1860]

0:33 the logos is our paradise regained. He is our bread of life, the logos is not energies,but the mediator between our heavenly creator and he is the potter,we are the clay. Jesus was the clay of the logos and our Only mediator between our true father of lights our father of our salvation.

[@nbinghi]

Thank you, any possibility of uploading more of his talks?

[@imanqumsieh3711]

God bless all of you .I have a question please any translation in Arabic to this powerful text 🙏🏻❤️

[@TrentonErker]

The answer to the question did God endow woman with different characteristics is yes. The word for helper that was used in the ancient Hebrew is not helper as an assistant, but helper as in someone who rescues

[@frederickanderson1860]

16:26 we are energised by the woman. Man born of a woman is of few days and full of trouble. Jesus life became same.

[@danielgaley9676]

My wife Cathy is anti Orthodoxy. Please pray for us. Thank you in advance.

[@evkoum]

Patience and love!

[@dirtboxsam5687]

🙏🙏🙏☦️

[@glenclary3231]

Is the audio of his lecture on Paradise available? He refers to it at the first of this lesson.

[@the300XM8]

I believe no recording of that lecture exist. But his manuscripts where published after his death. You can listen to audio version of the book here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaTMhoOOn5pjZ8U

[@RochesFan]

If anyone knows of other places online where more of his sermons exist, please let me know.

[@elenihelenmelb]

Teresa Pavani Thank you+ God bless ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ ΑΝΕΣΤΗ ΑΛΗΘΟΣ ΑΝΕΣΤΗ+++

[@sweettendercharles1556]

Platina apparently has dozens of hours of his talks on tape. Send them a message, let them know we want them to publish them.

[@Generalnao]

Does anyone know where to find part 2?🤓❤️

[@Ac-ip5hd]

☦️☦️☦️

[@subdeaconk]

What's the hymn at the end? beautiful!

[@maxsiehier]

Is there a talk about earthly paradise by fr seraphim rose?

[@elviradonaghy5422]

Could you remake this video without the questions and answers. This is a great lesson whichI would like to keep. I would like yo be BE ABLE to purchase it from you.

[@maryperez1235]

Hagbard Celine good tip but geez...just listen to the questions .

[@helperofman]

Does anyone know where to find the other parts of this lecture?

[@Jordan.Vaughn]

Is there a transcript of this lecture? Please let me know if so

[@Moon-magic109]

Repent all you sinners…

[@BrandNewStandard]

Anybody know what the song @ 1:21:05 is called?

[@SSSFanBoy11]

32:50 - Does anyone know where I can find this book? No luck in my search as of yet

[@TruthBeTold7]

Did someone add an echo effect to his voice?

[@janniemay4966]

David Heinz been doing the same. Watch ing the saints

[@TheForbiddenRing]

22:02

[@GFSHS3]

58:00

[@TheForbiddenRing]

5:46

[@lewiscarroll1150]

Are there more of these talks by father seraphim?

[@Athanasius1975]

Did anyone catch that name, st john dyo something? Hard to understand him on this audio in some spots

[@intherightlight]

St John Chrystostom

[@rippedgoat3587]

he mentions st john chrysostom and st john damascene/ damascus

[@therougesage7466]

7:12 the incarnation was the plan tho from the start so what does he mean to say? I’m curious about this…

[@therougesage7466]

Would the incarnation have happened if Adam never sinned?

[@L2A815]

@@therougesage7466 yes

[@therougesage7466]

@@L2A815 rhetorical but agreed

[@gordanadrmic752]

Maybe the clothes God made for Adam and Eve was utterance of God's mercy toward them (because they were deceived and not consciously the enemy of God) rather than God changed their nature. And some teologians see that skins as anticipation of Jesus Christ redemption as covering believers with new clothes given as a symbol of new life in Christ. Who can do the one and accurate interpretation of Genesis? In that the third chapter God repeats what snake said and it opens many questions...and God here ( in the begining of the mankind) is named as Jahve while in some other book of The old testament Jahve took Israel as his people when the earth was divided according to the number of God's sons. How can one base his understanding on literate meaning of those two incompatible report? The literate interpretation has great problems and also some interpretations or parts of interpretations of early fathers. As fr. Rose discart Catholic's view, also wasn't simpatise the Greek orhodoxy...it is obvious that he went into one close system of faith represented to him by somebody from Russian orthodoxy and he was satisfaid with that. In his case we can see how even great monks can be onesided man without understanding even others from the same sort of faith. I wonder what will he said if he would be in todays Russia. Maybe he will be able to learn something from others branches of Christianity and from others in general without beeing distracted from his own faith and his own christian community.

[@Vow4Quamar]

1:10:36

[@kaygeekay1117]

Despair is a powerful demon. God gave us a spirit of joy. Not of fear. ☦️☦️☦️ nothing to fear. Don’t give up your power to a f. King. Demon. Why. ?

[@toby-jeanne_almy]

Fair warning audio starts 20 seconds in lol

[@nickkoul763]

at what point does he mention God's intent of good will for making us mortal?

[@nickkoul763]

@orthodoxwitness

[@know_not_wickedness]

The questions he had to take were really stupid. Fr Seraphim is a modern era Saint.

[@lazarus3798]

Watch that

[@andyhercules4507]

If Adam had high intellect and prophetic, and foresaw mankind multiply, then did he also see his downfall?

[@chrisasterion5050]

no, otherwise he would of asked for forgiveness when offered the opportunity by God, I sense PRIDE engulfed him...

[@andyhercules4507]

@@chrisasterion5050 Then at the point of when he tasted the fruit, his nature was corrupted? Or was it when God expelled him from paradise?

[@Unseen_warfare.]

@@andyhercules4507At the moment he ate the fruit his mind became twisted.

[@theresamason5506]

What year was this?

[@JamesW7723]

early 80's he died in 84 but did his first recording in 79

[@nickkoul763]

What is he reading? Kindly let me know via comment

[@imjustryan-bn2gm]

His own notes

[@andreassimopoulos6117]

This is the voice of father Seraphim?

[@imjustryan-bn2gm]

Yes

[@AbdulRahman-bi1nu]

That’s his voice??

[@JamesW7723]

Yes!

[@godrilla5549]

I hope there are lots of spiders and pigeons.

[@glorenesiarres897]

Where is Eve?????

[@gabinacu777]

Interesting what Fr Seraphim says at 1:11:15.... "Greeks pretending to be orthodox"?

[@2Times22]

Why it puzzles you..?We live in sinful times..Most of later generations live in sin,yet they claim to keep their traditions plus the religion of their fathers but its just a lie..Because their works and actions speak differently..So in a way they dont even understand it..They are deceived by the spirit of the times,like everybody,like us too..We think we good..Are we really???

[@john-paulgies4313]

Two points of discussion at which to nitpick as a Catholic: I believe the reason for the claim that Man's Fall is a loss of supernatural gifts of Grace above his natural state is to preserve his nature from mutation; sin is not so powerful that it can make something into something else, ontologically different - Man is still Man after the Fall. Only the moral cowardice of modern "theologians" has lead to the hideous evolutionary interpretation which Fr. Seraphim rejects; it is not a feature or consequence per se of the paradigm. The [admittedly off the cuff, quasi-private] remarks included at the very end lend themselves to confirming my suspicion that the terms "Created Grace" and "Divine/Uncreated Energy" are synonymous, at least with respect to Theosis.

[@mr.joedirt8583]

At age 22 in 1956 and while he was still at Pomona College, Rose came out as gay. During a romantic relationship with Jon Gregerson, Rose was exposed to the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia. While the relationship lasted a significant period, Gregerson lost interest in Orthodoxy despite Rose's growing interest. Rose ultimately terminated the relationship and later commented on the period prior to his conversion, saying "I was in hell. I know what hell is." Rose is reported to have not externally expressed his sexuality following his conversion. Rose's sexuality was a topic of controversy among some Eastern Orthodox faithful after it was publicized in Cathy Scott's 2000 biography Seraphim Rose.

[@heinmolenaar6750]

The orthodox church is popular because they have more entertainment and meaningless rituals to offer.

[@sagepage4793]

and? He repented

[@shoorakhamis3904]

He repented ,so clear with god .

[@rippedgoat3587]

@@heinmolenaar6750meaningless rituals established by the apostles?

[@heinmolenaar6750]

​@@rippedgoat3587 nothing that's going on the churches is established by the apostles. And the gospels are according to markus, Matthew, luke and john but not written by them. The gospels are no eyewitness testimonies. And the gospels are largely myths. And the old testament is 100% mythology. Nothing really happened.

[@Jesusandbible]

He looks like Christopher Walken

[@John-lf3xf]

Jesusandbible I don’t see it.

[@j.rebekah8605]

No. No way.

[@tedclemens4093]

Why should it be called a "fall" when in the account, it's called a revelation? "The eyes of both of them were opened." (Gen. 2: 5,7)

[@tedclemens4093]

@@MaulqasmPK - It comes down to a matter of perspective. From our point of view-with this "fruit of the knowledge of good and evil" that we savor-it is indeed a "fall." But that's not what the narrative calls it. It's not what God calls it. So we have one circumstance, two opinions. "Fall" implies something went wrong-and our Judeo-Christian culture has built entire theologies on guilt and shame. But what if everything went perfectly, according to plan? Then God's response might be, "Trust me, I know what I've done. Don't worry, it will all work out." (Rom. 8:28)

[@Unseen.Warfare]

@@tedclemens4093 I think I was revealed this along the way. Lucifer was one of the First angels created and he heard the plan for humanity and he said to himself. God has lost his mind, I think I know better. So, since he thought he could know better than what created him he started a rebellion. He convinced 1/3rd of the heavenly host to side with him and against God. I don’t think they knew the full consequences of what would happen. So, they attempted to ruin Gods plan and put Lucifer on the throne. He was cast out of heaven and was thrown to the earth with the other rebel angels. So, he sees Adam and Eve and the pet snake they have and says to himself. If I possess the snake that they trust I can convince them to eat the Fruit and know that Good and Evil exists. This means that Satan was The creator of evil. Not God. He’s the “Father of Lies” Since he couldn’t overthrow God. He instead said “I will ruin all his plans and make the man and woman hate him and blame him for what I do” and he knew much of Gods plan before the Fall. See, God is all knowing and he knew this would happen before Satan devised this plan. I believe that’s a big reason he was cast out of heaven. He could no longer be in heaven because he created evil through his own freewill. He can choose to do good just like us, he just willingly does evil. All the angels can do whatever they want. But, most of them only wanted to serve God out of humility. Pride is what lead to his fall and desire and pride is what lead to ours. We desired to be God. We desired to be wise. Now, God gave us paradise and he commanded us to not eat from the tree. If they hadn’t been so focused on external things, they’d have been able to just tell the snake “No” God said we can’t eat from that tree. It was a test. God knew Satan was on the earth and God knew the serpent was possessed. So, he spoke to them like children. They didn’t take responsibility for their actions, so like children they were cast out of paradise. Just as he cast Satan out of heaven for disobeying. He’s so gracious that even after he has given us life and paradise and we mess that up. He allows us to still live and do whatever we want. Next thing we know Cain kills Abel. The rest is history. Been the same ever since. Jesus Christ came so we might receive eternal life even after our fall. He’s given us a second chance in the form of another test. I’m aceing this one brother I hope.

[@Unseen.Warfare]

@@tedclemens4093 “Nothing is greater than God, including evil, and evil results when the free will of God’s creation is directed against God and thereby engenders evil. This is precisely what happened when the light-bearing morning star (Lucifer), fell away from the Source of goodness, and became the evil one, Satan. Lucifer, by imposing his own will, found himself in darkness. Since his power is based in falsehood, he can only influence us by convincing people that he is as powerful as God. Yet his power is finite, and good will eventually triumph on the Last Day.“

[@lyt_w8t]

why is there a squeeky toy?

[@olgathehandmaid]

It’s a fawn. I assume this was recorded at the Platina Monastery where they took care of the animals that came to them.

[@lyt_w8t]

@@olgathehandmaid Thanks, you;'ve bought me back to this video which I will now rewatch lol

[@sonsoftheedelweiss72]

I love the EOC but I am finding that getting a direct answer to more of the esoteric mysteries of the Bible by the EOC is a talk in circles saying everything but nothing at all.

[@TheRealRealOK]

Sons of the Edelweiss It’s because it’s difficult to explain that which requires experience.

[@sonsoftheedelweiss72]

Language and Programming Channel maybe so. Thank you

[@ImTakinMeFishin]

Prayer and Revelation, not human wisdom and reason, is how we know. It’s strange conceptually to other people today (as I thought it was as well), but in practice it’s a stark Truth.

[@sonsoftheedelweiss72]

Luke A.P. Rinck thank you. Does make sense.

[@artdanks4846]

@@sonsoftheedelweiss72 I know that it has now been 2 years since you asked this question, and that it looks like you've already had your question very satisfactorily answered. But I just wanted to add that Orthodox Theology is very much a "Mystical Theology". And this is because God is so far above us, that we cannot totally understand His mysteries. God Himself tells us in Isaiah 55:8-9, "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts." So, by its nature, it would be impossible to get direct answers to these very esoteric mysteries. Because we, as still finite human beings cannot fully comprehend the infinite mysteries of God.