The Fall of Mark McGwire: A Tragedy in 3 Acts

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Mark McGwire was a highlight reel mainstay during his sixteen year MLB career. As a member of the Oakland Athletics, Big Mac joined forces with fellow All-Star/MVP Jose Canseco to form the Bash Brothers. As a St. Louis Cardinal, he battled Sammy Sosa for the single-season home run record. And in retirement, he made appearances in magazines, on television networks, and in front of Congress.
In this video, we'll take a look at how Mark McGwire singlehandedly encapsulated baseball's steroid era, how the consequences of his cheating are still being felt to this day, and how Major League Baseball turned a blind eye to the whole thing (until they couldn't anymore).
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SOURCES
Baseball Reference
Fangraphs
"Mark McGwire's Stats: From College to MLB"
"The day Canseco, McGwire became 'Bash Brothers'" (mercurynews.com)
"MLB's steroid era ground zero was Oakland A's clubhouse" (globalsportmatters.com)
"Rare Photos of Mark McGwire" (Sports Illustrated)
"Long Gone Summer: A Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire timeline" (yahoo.com)
"Today in Baseball History: McGwire, Sosa, and Palmeiro Testify Before Congress" (NBC Sports)
"A timeline of steroids in baseball" (The Denver Post)
"MLB History: How Jose Canseco Ruined Baseball in 2005" (Overtime Heroics)
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MUSIC
"Carved From Stone" - TrackTribe
"Duck In The Alley" - TrackTribe
"Get Tough" - TrackTribe
"Heavy Hideout" - TrackTribe
"SeaTac" - TrackTribe
"To the Sun and Back" - TrackTribe
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00​ - 1:06 Intro
1:07 - 5:16 1988
5:17 - 6:37 HelloFresh
6:38 - 10:07 1998
10:08 - 12:42 2005
12:43 - 15:05 Big Mac's Legacy

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@BaseballHistorian
@BaseballHistorian Жыл бұрын
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@durrelldelp306
@durrelldelp306 Жыл бұрын
Lyc nzam
@obscurereference6298
@obscurereference6298 Жыл бұрын
I assume the 70th HR ball also lost value when Bonds passed it. So that might be correlation and not causation.
@fahkinlosah8469
@fahkinlosah8469 Жыл бұрын
McGwire and roid era ruined baseball for entire generation. F$*k him
@ernestpassaro9663
@ernestpassaro9663 Жыл бұрын
Wasn’t no tragedy he was a steroid cheat!
@Luvarby
@Luvarby Жыл бұрын
Please... for the love of god.... can you do a video on the MLB Doubles in a Season record? The most underrated and overlooked impossible(yet very possible) to break record in baseball? Sure, DiMaggio, DiMaggio 56, whatever. Triples record? Impossible. The DOUBLES record is amazing and never talked about, rarely approached, and even a Colorado Rockie hasn't done it. You don't even know, offhand, who has it, do you?
@paoloricci4569
@paoloricci4569 Жыл бұрын
the funniest part is that Jose Canseco was absolutely truthful when he called out everyone who it was later proven were all on steroids
@JoeBloww762
@JoeBloww762 11 ай бұрын
They never proved Ricky Henderson.
@paoloricci4569
@paoloricci4569 11 ай бұрын
@@JoeBloww762 I don't believe Rickey Henderson needed it, he was an unbelievable athlete
@douglas69ification
@douglas69ification 11 ай бұрын
Rickey Henderson and Nolan Ryan were both on it.
@mockingslur6945
@mockingslur6945 11 ай бұрын
@@douglas69ification Nolan Ryan is a cattle rancher. I’ve worked with a bunch of guy’s that have worked on farms, and they are built different. Extremely tough and intelligent. No one from Alvin, Texas is on any drugs that will benefit them. Lol Rickey is also just one of those guy’s that grow up with rare talent.
@spitty3456
@spitty3456 11 ай бұрын
​@Mockingslur lol okay dude. He was a farmer so he COULDN'T of been on roids. But then again, most farmers would be known for incest. So maybe fuckin ur sister does the same for your body as roids? Idk, ur a farmer, why don't u tell us. Does fuckin ur sister make u strong? See I don't have a sister so I'd have to use roids like a normal, non incest non ass backwards kinda man.
@RetroBaseball
@RetroBaseball Жыл бұрын
I still haven’t got used to this whole baseball historian uploading every week thing. So much greatness in such a short time.
@josephinedesio3352
@josephinedesio3352 Жыл бұрын
Well not everything is about you
@karlcarlsburg9641
@karlcarlsburg9641 Жыл бұрын
@@josephinedesio3352 some things, sometimes, are about you 😘
@chumchum3803
@chumchum3803 Жыл бұрын
Lmaooo
@josephinedesio3352
@josephinedesio3352 Жыл бұрын
Lolol
@markeastridge9649
@markeastridge9649 Жыл бұрын
No shit, cramping my schedule a bit. Gonna see if brain can handle 1 1/4 speed
@ZhangtheGreat
@ZhangtheGreat Жыл бұрын
That 98 home run chase had an impact on another player: Bonds. That season, Bonds was aiming to become the best all-around baseball player, and had it been any other season, he would've been recognized for his amazing stats: .303 avg, 167 hits, 37 HR, 122 RBI, 44 doubles, 28 stolen bases, 1.047 OPS. Instead, he was relegated to an afterthought. When he realized that home runs were all people cared about, Bonds decided to juice up as well.
@brandonbreitkreuz1549
@brandonbreitkreuz1549 Жыл бұрын
200%
@Chupacvabra
@Chupacvabra Жыл бұрын
Bonds was already juicing at that point. It takes a lot of time to completely transform a body and 1998 Barry Bonds was already transformed...it was just a work in progress.
@Danielson1818
@Danielson1818 Жыл бұрын
@@Chupacvabra This is true. People tend to think of PEDs as an immediate thing, like Popeye's spinache, or Super Mario's magic mushroom... Juicing has to be done in regular cycles, and you have to work out on top of it to get the gains. Barry didn't just show up on the gas one day.
@antoniomontana5778
@antoniomontana5778 Жыл бұрын
@@Danielson1818 From your post, I'm assuming you know exactly how steroids work, which is why I'm going to ask you this: Why did Canseco once bragged that he had built up so much muscle without actually working out?
@SteefPip
@SteefPip Жыл бұрын
I watched Ken Burns' Baseball too
@tp5401
@tp5401 Жыл бұрын
These were my baseball years.... i loved all these guys... collected their cards. Its kind of depressing to see it all burned down by scandal.
@Alex-dl6it
@Alex-dl6it Жыл бұрын
@Shannon Waterhouse who cares! just enjoy the game. You sound so dramatic dude.
@Landrew1208
@Landrew1208 Жыл бұрын
I collected during the 70's and love those players still. There r controversies also, such as cocaine and other drugs. All those things will never blemish the memory of Larry Bowa's Grand Slam HR at The Vet with Pete Rose on The Reds at third, stunned by the event.
@russellcoker9353
@russellcoker9353 Жыл бұрын
Yeah ruined the game for me ….
@erichvonmanstein6876
@erichvonmanstein6876 Жыл бұрын
I feel like a part of my youth has been stolen from me.
@wormsnebraska
@wormsnebraska Жыл бұрын
Steroids didn’t hit those home runs; they aren’t magic. People are such babies about the Steroid Era. It was the finest age of baseball yet
@luishumbertovega3900
@luishumbertovega3900 Жыл бұрын
McGwire was badly counseled, he should have used the chance for testimony before Congress to redirect what was happenning to MLB and instead of ending up as the fall guy he should have emphasized that what he was taking was not illegal while he played.
@brianporter447
@brianporter447 Жыл бұрын
He was never the fall guy.
@luishumbertovega3900
@luishumbertovega3900 Жыл бұрын
@@brianporter447He has been, and always will be, unless he is elected to the HOF, he should have had a plaque already.
@paysonfox88
@paysonfox88 Жыл бұрын
The real Fall Guy was Barry bonds. That guy was two times the player that McGuire ever thought he was. bonds before 1998, was outperforming in nearly every statistical category, what Mark McGwire was doing. The difference was, Mark was on steroids the entire time, and still couldn't keep up with Barry bonds.... Until 1998... Then Barry bonds got so jealous of Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire getting all the attention, although they were way less skilled than he was, that he started juicing up to hit home runs himself. For all the home run abilities of Mark McGwire, he was not feared anywhere near as much as Barry bonds. He wasn't walked 200 times a season. He wasn't intentionally walked over 60 times a season. That is real power! That is real skill...
@brianporter447
@brianporter447 Жыл бұрын
@@paysonfox88 bonds was on steroids much longer than you think. He was on flak seed oil. Which had steroids in it. He just didn't want to admit it.
@tjhookit
@tjhookit Жыл бұрын
@@paysonfox88 Hi Barry
@YourHotAnimeMom
@YourHotAnimeMom Жыл бұрын
The thing about the Steroid Era that gets me is that baseball knew it was going on. They allowed it to continue and then they decided to turn on those who used them when the jig was up. I'm not saying numbers weren't inflated but to reject those who used steroids from the Hall is wrong. They weren't illegal at the time and baseball could've stopped the whole thing way sooner than they did. And let's admit it, baseball was fun in the 90's. It hasn't felt that way in years.
@adamlauer1096
@adamlauer1096 Жыл бұрын
I really don't care if they use steroids. They kill their body's 162 games a year. Less injuries, harder pitching and quicker bat speed all sound fun to me. Steroids saved baseball. Btw mark, bonds and clemens never failed a drug test.
@Vader-gt6yc
@Vader-gt6yc Жыл бұрын
Baseball is like the one sport where taking steroids is only dangerous to the one taking it unlike football or boxing where someone could get seriously injured, never understood why they can’t take it
@ryanfreeman581
@ryanfreeman581 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, good things came out of that time. It did a lot of good for baseball. Now most of the good stuff that came from that era is tainted.
@markpayne6384
@markpayne6384 Жыл бұрын
Couldn’t agree with you more.
@scottgoldman2485
@scottgoldman2485 Жыл бұрын
@@Vader-gt6yc They were allowed to use steroids. But that is not the point. The issue is leveling the playing field. You can't fairly compare stats of McGwire with Maris or Killebrew, so the rules are changed and users are banned from the Hall of Fame.
@JayTemple
@JayTemple Жыл бұрын
Necessary clarification: His 49 HR's were the rookie record at the time. Pete Alonso broke it in 2019 with 53, also making him the only rookie to lead MLB in that category.
@josephippolito3788
@josephippolito3788 Жыл бұрын
Judge broke the record in 2017 before Alonso did. Just saying…
@BenWillyums
@BenWillyums Жыл бұрын
So Alfonso is juicing too?
@brianporter447
@brianporter447 Жыл бұрын
In how many games?
@ernestpassaro9663
@ernestpassaro9663 Жыл бұрын
@@brianporter447 they may all be juicing it wouldn’t surprise me!
@clarenceworleez1433
@clarenceworleez1433 Жыл бұрын
pete did it drug free that’s the big difference
@zochhuana3612
@zochhuana3612 Жыл бұрын
I am from India. We don't even play or watch baseball here, but I love your channel and have been watching it regularly. So many interesting characters in the world of baseball.
@kendallevans4079
@kendallevans4079 Жыл бұрын
What about the "Million Dollar Arm"?
@Gregory-sm9pf
@Gregory-sm9pf 6 ай бұрын
@@kendallevans4079 too much curruy
@karlstrauss2330
@karlstrauss2330 Жыл бұрын
I was 8 years old in 1998. The McGwire/Sosa home run race was incredible phenomenon to watch. I also moved to San Diego that same year when they went on to the World Series. It was a pretty incredible
@earl3358
@earl3358 Жыл бұрын
I attended the clinching WS game in SanDiego 1998. In attendance, front row 3b side next to the dugout and garnering much attention was none other than Mr Mac himself
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Жыл бұрын
It's kinda funny how a cartoonishly juiced up man would just dodge questions about steroid use and nobody would bat an eye
@aanler
@aanler Жыл бұрын
You bat the ball. 🤔
@dylanjames3686
@dylanjames3686 Жыл бұрын
You dont know what it takes to win.
@luvmenow33
@luvmenow33 Жыл бұрын
@@dylanjames3686 I guess it's really tough if you know everyone else is using it and no one is getting in trouble for it to not do it yourself but the thing that really gets to me is guys like McGwire and Barry Bonds we're Hall of Famers already bonds should never get to the Hall of Fame ever because he destroyed one of the greatest records in history by making it unattainable
@dylanjames3686
@dylanjames3686 Жыл бұрын
@@luvmenow33 99% of pro athletes juice. They know how to beat the system.
@slashertrav
@slashertrav Жыл бұрын
Mac made baseball exciting. He put butts and baseballs in those seats. Home runs means ticket sales. MLB isn’t going to interrupt that.
@massey4business
@massey4business Жыл бұрын
That last part, renaming Mark McGwire Highway to Mark Twain Highway was the biggest slap on the balls imo!
@condor7810
@condor7810 Жыл бұрын
Glad they renamed Mark McGwire Highway to Mark Twain Highway. That said, I find it more than a little perplexing it wasn't named for Twain in the first place over McGwire. Strange to live in a country that treats athletes like Gods and its greatest writers like an afterthought.
@SuperCatacata
@SuperCatacata Жыл бұрын
I mean. America's greatest writers are all dead at this point. And their writings are almost mandatory for all highschools to teach at some point. So IDK about that. Nothing wrong with respecting athletes. Peak physical condition shouldn't be scoffed at if you can appreciate the art of writing. Both are an art-form that takes years to perfect. And most people will fail to make a living from it. Don't be one of those idiots scoffing at how much top athletes are paid while simultaneously praising talented actors. That's just hypocrisy.
@condor7810
@condor7810 Жыл бұрын
@@SuperCatacata Don't get me started on actors. As I've often said, just about any idiot can act. I put painters, writers and musicians in a different category from actors. I never said anything about compensation. The market pays top athletes (and actors) quite well. That is fine by me so long as they pay their taxes. True artists don't "need" fame and riches...the joy of creating art is enough of a reward.
@ApexImportExport
@ApexImportExport Жыл бұрын
@@condor7810 Actors literally portray themselves as something they are not, in a gifted fashion. When someone deceives us, we never connect that they were just acting...just like an actor does. We also call that lying. It's confusing that actors are put on a pedestal like congressmen...I mean, they do act the same way. Perplexing how Hollywood is so involved with our government.
@Jeff-bz6jp
@Jeff-bz6jp Жыл бұрын
@@condor7810 100%. That other poster is an idiot who had a man crush on Maguire, don't mind him. Mark Twain should have been the highway namesake in the first place.
@NoMoreBsPlease
@NoMoreBsPlease Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's not like they bring millions of dollars of revenue to the cities and states. God forbid a stretch of road gets a sign for a few years, before a bunch of jerks.burn his legacy to the ground while ignoring to other 90% of the league who also juiced. Hypocrisy, thy name is baseball fans...
@rylanjamesbaseball2594
@rylanjamesbaseball2594 Жыл бұрын
Why does no one ever talk about mark? Thank you!
@thorinhanson1181
@thorinhanson1181 Жыл бұрын
Yet another great video! I grew up when the McGwire and Sosa race was going on. I still learned some new stuff about it from this vid. Keep it up!
@richardkim9952
@richardkim9952 Жыл бұрын
Pretty much all of McGwire's answers to Congress' questions were "I'm not here to talk about the past" It was a pathetic performance.
@adamdorgant9454
@adamdorgant9454 Жыл бұрын
You’re right about that, and to this day, he has never been Inducted into the Baseball Hall Of Fame!!!!
@garza7676
@garza7676 Жыл бұрын
I was in junior high and remember the home run race in 1997 and it was so awesome . People forgot there was a baseball strike . Mark Mcguire and Sammy Sosa brought baseball back to life .
@TheSjuris
@TheSjuris Жыл бұрын
Steroids were great and everyone knew they were on them.
@jamieeaton7839
@jamieeaton7839 Жыл бұрын
That was a joke! It took away how special Ken Griffey Jr was he was in a league by himself and then the juice boy's showed up if you were a real baseball fan you would have not like it!
@garza7676
@garza7676 Жыл бұрын
@@jamieeaton7839 just me I know . I grow up on Washington state . I remember Edgar , Jay ( t-bone ) Alex Rodriquez . Ken would have had the home run record hadn’t he broken his wrist . Unfortunately It was gonna take two juiced up guys to bring baseball back . Hate it or not .MLB wasn’t even testing for PED back then .
@jamieeaton7839
@jamieeaton7839 Жыл бұрын
@@garza7676 I have to much respect for the game and the history and all the great players to give them a free pass! If wasn't for the greed we would have never had a strike in the first place. Baseball would have been fine we didn't need juice boy's to save it lol I pretty sure if they didn't take the drugs and make a joke out of the record books we would still have baseball in 2022 lol
@garza7676
@garza7676 Жыл бұрын
@@jamieeaton7839 there’s cheating in every aspect of baseball . From the Houston Astros using cameras to steal pitching calls , to pitchers using foreign substance to get an advantage . This is the hill your going to die on ? Lol come on let’s admit steroids only get you half way there . You still have to hit the baseball . There’s no science that prove you become a better hitter with PED’s .
@cardboardempire
@cardboardempire Жыл бұрын
Im so old, I remember when Sammy Sosa was black.
@hoffdaddygames6394
@hoffdaddygames6394 Жыл бұрын
For someone who is recently diving into the game of baseball, I am thoroughly enjoying your videos and learning about the vast history of the sport. Keep up the great work!
@SteefPip
@SteefPip Жыл бұрын
Watch Ken Burns' Baseball. It's something like 26 hours long in total but the stories in there are amazing.
@soisaidtogod4248
@soisaidtogod4248 Жыл бұрын
LOL, get a life. Baseball is a huge money scam.
@wmw3629
@wmw3629 Жыл бұрын
@@soisaidtogod4248 What a dumbass comment!
@SteefPip
@SteefPip Жыл бұрын
@@soisaidtogod4248 lol get a life he says, you're here on a baseball comments thread trashing baseball, looks like it's you that needs a hobby.
@glennealy4791
@glennealy4791 Жыл бұрын
If Selig is in Hall then the players from the steroids era should be
@davidhooper259
@davidhooper259 Жыл бұрын
It’s a sin him and Sammy are treated the way they are. They single handedly saved baseball in one summer. They made Leyman into fans, they made fans into fanatics and made fanatics into loving their baseball team’s rival. It was the most exciting baseball season ever
@dirtylemon3379
@dirtylemon3379 Жыл бұрын
Yeah. And did you miss the part that is was all a big lie? A fake and a coverup?
@larrydanadavid2435
@larrydanadavid2435 Жыл бұрын
They didn’t save baseball. Baseball fanatics like a precise hit and run or a well executed cut off assist. Home runs are cool. But a base clearing triple is more exciting. A strike em out throw out to end the inning. A pick off play or sac bunt to move the runner to third is what baseball is all about. Not two guys that cheated baseball and themselves.
@Anthony-hu3rj
@Anthony-hu3rj Жыл бұрын
My guess is you're either from Chicago or St. Louis. It's the same with Barry Bonds fanboys -- all of them just happen to live in the Bay Area.
@davidhooper259
@davidhooper259 Жыл бұрын
@@larrydanadavid2435 you’re right. No one ever followed box scores everyday. Let’s put it to a gentleman’s test-find a fair weather baseball fan over the age of 40 and ask them to fire off how great Bonds, Griffey Jr, Luis Gonzalez, the killer B’s, Ken Caminiti faired when McGwire and Sosa during the ‘98 season. Unless they were a die hard fan of those players’ team they can give you coherent answer
@davidhooper259
@davidhooper259 Жыл бұрын
@@larrydanadavid2435 fanatics are ideologues but won’t bring in the dollars-the general public does. So yes an exciting summer after after many dragging years and a strike worked. Just as second tier lesser known Marvel characters like daredevil or punisher or a weird ass Hulk by a king fu director can’t launch a franchise. You need big exciting likable characters like Iron Man, Captain America and Thor
@border056
@border056 Жыл бұрын
I was 10 years old during the 98’ Home Run Race. The race is what revitalized baseball from the 94’ lockout. My dad and I traveled from the east coast to catch the Cubs at Wrigley and then we drove down to St. Louis to see the Cards play. It was an incredible time. It’s sad to see Selig in the hall when he clearly benefited from steroids. It’s a shame to not see Barry, Roger, Mark, and some others in the hall.
@stevejohnson1397
@stevejohnson1397 Жыл бұрын
Wrong all 3 cheated.Thats why they will never get in.Good.
@yerrrrr2787
@yerrrrr2787 Жыл бұрын
I think Barry still has a shot with the Veterans committee but we’ll see. After the awful way the hall handled the steroid era it really doesn’t mean as much anymore, just a bunch of sportswriter moralists holding grudges while forgetting that these men saved baseball.
@funnydude213
@funnydude213 Жыл бұрын
@@nervousordo maybe u should stick to uploading awful youtube videos instead of trying to find a reason for why ur life sucks
@theshortstopgaming
@theshortstopgaming Жыл бұрын
@Drink Your Whatever fucking THANK YOU!!! I lost all interest in baseball after that season because I knew they were juicing! There’s no reason to take any PED’s in ANY sport. If you ain’t good enough to earn it. You ain’t good enough to take it. These dudes took history away from some of the all time greats. It’s bullshit. We’re what… 24+ years later and I still have a hard time watching PLAYOFF baseball for fuck sake!
@adamdorgant9454
@adamdorgant9454 Жыл бұрын
@Drink Your Whatever You’re right about that, and to this day, neither McGwire, Sosa, Clemens, and Bonds have been inducted into the Baseball Hall Of Fame!!!!
@hbsea4698
@hbsea4698 Жыл бұрын
I only became a baseball fan about two years ago. Your channel has helped me fill in the gaps on things I missed growing up. Thanks!
@sheldonpartridge3829
@sheldonpartridge3829 Жыл бұрын
Bro you should watch the cubs and indians world series 2015 omg good baseball bro
@hbsea4698
@hbsea4698 Жыл бұрын
@@sheldonpartridge3829 I will definitely check it out once the post season is over, thanks for the recommendation!
@dr.manhattan4537
@dr.manhattan4537 Жыл бұрын
The Commissioner knew it, the Owners knew, the Managers knew it, the players knew it and they all turned a blind eye to it. Brady Anderson is a great example 50 hrs one season and then 18 the next season.
@davidrasic9337
@davidrasic9337 Жыл бұрын
Anderson only hit 50 but yes he’s a great example
@JusNoBS420
@JusNoBS420 Жыл бұрын
Brett Boone is another example. The Mariners 2nd baseman went from like a 15-20 HR guy to like around 40 one year lol
@hehateme71
@hehateme71 Жыл бұрын
Oddly, there’s a lot more to the Brady Anderson story. There’s actually a chance he may be a rare example of not being aided by steroids. I’d check it out. He was a health/fitness nut. Even known for it in his younger days. Players have always said you’d think steroids, but he was always ahead of the curve with physical fitness.
@davidrasic9337
@davidrasic9337 Жыл бұрын
@@hehateme71 that could be true, not going to argue the whole he did or didn’t cause you could be right or he could have taken steroids. But if he was a huge weight and workout guy, why would he only have one season hitting above 25 homers? Just took a completely different approach at the plate that season and that season only?
@markeastridge9649
@markeastridge9649 Жыл бұрын
@@hehateme71 I note Brady Anderson when talking Cardinals giving Tyler O’Neal a shot to pop off a 50HR season. TON is a breast with a GG.
@crashburn3292
@crashburn3292 Жыл бұрын
I watched him play for the Modesto A's a year before he went pro. One game he hit a monster shot over the left field fence and you could hear it smash someone's car window. The whole crowd burst into applause at the sound. - Mark still owes me $130 I had pay to replace the windshield on my '68 Volkswagen bus. Not kidding. He got my VW the same week I got my driver's license.
@vanillagorilla6091
@vanillagorilla6091 Жыл бұрын
You still got that bus? They worth a small fortune now
@crashburn3292
@crashburn3292 Жыл бұрын
@@vanillagorilla6091 - I sold it in 1992 and regret it to this day.
@just4justincase
@just4justincase Жыл бұрын
Source-“I made it up.”
@bowhunter8532
@bowhunter8532 Жыл бұрын
@@just4justincase LOL. That would be a hell of a thing to make up....
@craven4bmore709
@craven4bmore709 Жыл бұрын
@@bowhunter8532 People have made up stranger for less. You'd be amazed how people will tell the most benign inconsequential stories to connect themselves with people.
@JoeKnows44
@JoeKnows44 10 ай бұрын
Hot take, in retrospect, not a fall at all. What he and Sosa and Griffey did for baseball is as valuable as anything anyone has done. I still remember the summer of 1998 as my favorite summer of baseball in my life, now 25 years later.
@600rrcbr7
@600rrcbr7 4 ай бұрын
Same here. I’ll never forget it. I remember watch Sosa live that year playing the reds at home. Hit one in the upper deck. That’s the only one I ever seen. Mark was my favorite for years. Griffey has the best swing but marks power was awesome to watch
@franklee7150
@franklee7150 Жыл бұрын
I grew up around Mark and his brothers. He was a good, quiet kid. He played Basketball, Golf and Baseball in High School. I wish he never used steroids. He didn’t need them. He was always a big strong kid.
@csnide6702
@csnide6702 Жыл бұрын
he NEEDED them to extend his career - he was washed up in Oakland. that's why they shipped him out... THEN (with some "medical help") the STL years came on like magic..... hmmmm
@ghubbz36
@ghubbz36 Жыл бұрын
@@csnide6702 Talking out your ass. They "shipped" him out because Walter Haas died and the new owners needed a payroll that wasn't bleeding money. They dumped all their high prices players. 🤡
@warlordofbritannia
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
Of all the infamous steroid users, Mark McGwire is essentially the only one to have a redemption arc through his later career as a hitting coach (and of course by actually admitting to whole steroid thing) Barry Bonds remains persona non grata, Rafael Palmeiro waved his infamous finger, Roger Clemens has never been the most personable guy, A-rod is has been and likely always will be an A-tier diva, and nobody ever liked Jose Canseco; even the formerly beloved Slammin' Sammy Sosa became increasingly surly to the public, alienating his way out of the hearts of Cubs fans and eventually from major league minds altogether The only other infamous steroid user who remains well-liked is Jason Giambi, but outside of the BALCO years he's always been a well-liked figure anyways and the health complications he suffered probably lent him more sympathy
@bigrich6075
@bigrich6075 Жыл бұрын
Jason Giambi definitely is more forgiving. After all he was in the Yankees all timers day game a couple of times. Plus he is more likeable than A-rod and Bonds
@dustinglasier6417
@dustinglasier6417 Жыл бұрын
Honestly Sosa fell out of grace with this Cubs' fan because of the corked bat incident and his utter 🐕 💩 explanation that the bat boy brought him the wrong bat and he didn't realize it. He never did own his own mistakes, cork or steroid, and that's why even his own fans turned on him.
@Flowerz__
@Flowerz__ Жыл бұрын
@@dustinglasier6417 I have to be honest him admittedly bleaching his skin did not help ppls perception of him either
@chazzx1018
@chazzx1018 Жыл бұрын
@@Flowerz__ he looks creepy as hell
@theshortstopgaming
@theshortstopgaming Жыл бұрын
FUCK A-ROID Sincerely, Lifelong Mariners fan
@imbluz
@imbluz Жыл бұрын
Our family knew the McGwire's growing up. His dad and my dad were both doctors. Mark was my dad's patient for a couple years. I played baseball with Danny McGwire and my brother played soccer with Mark. They had a big family, all boys. He was a tremendous athlete, but his social skills were very poor.
@edgar22452
@edgar22452 9 ай бұрын
Big Ole Irish family
@Telecastersanonymous
@Telecastersanonymous 8 ай бұрын
The truth is, most kids born in the 90’s that grew up watching these games where all the rampant steroid use was happening, just don’t care. These players were fun and they made me love baseball, they gave me some of the greatest memories of my life
@bnr32jason
@bnr32jason Жыл бұрын
I just found this channel, your voice sounds so similar to The Gaming Historian, same person? Great video!
@travisbeem9906
@travisbeem9906 Жыл бұрын
I still have tons of his baseball cards and will still be a fan. They are worthless now to collectors but are still priceless to me. My childhood involved driving to Oakland with my dad and friends watching McGwire send balls out of the park. All were great memories that will live on forever. Great time to be a kid and a sports fan. Everything was about McGwire, Jordan, Montana and of course Mike Tyson.
@MLBMISFIT_34
@MLBMISFIT_34 Жыл бұрын
Same..to Baseball fans like us..the game is everything
@informanti
@informanti 11 ай бұрын
Couldn't have said it better myself. Good times man, good times..
@mmclaurin8035
@mmclaurin8035 11 ай бұрын
Invest in the "Tiffany" versions of Junk Wax era cards. They were printed in much lower runs. The 1987 Topps McGwire card is isted as $84 when it's a Grade 10 PSA. The Tiffany version is $266 for a PSA 10.
@MrSpeed-lt8gr
@MrSpeed-lt8gr Жыл бұрын
I grew up in the Bay Area. That 88 A’s team was so awesome that also included 2 other Oakland legends in Dave Stewart and Dennis Eckersley.
@michaelb3927
@michaelb3927 Жыл бұрын
That summer of 98' was crazy AF! It reignited my love for baseball that hasn't faded much... I use to only watch the Braves that home run summer started having to check on other teams/get into fantasy
@heyheyhey33351
@heyheyhey33351 7 ай бұрын
It's kind of hilarious how guys like McGwire and Bonds went from being scrawny and lanky to looking like they should be in the freaking WWE.
@plcrrl
@plcrrl Жыл бұрын
Today I was at the Salvation Army and I saw the most 1998 things I’ve ever seen. They were called “Bam Beanos” and are baseball themed beanie babies. I got a purple Mark McGwire beano (as well as a Cal Ripken Jr and an Alex Rodriguez in a Santa hat bear) Needless to say that and this video make a great day 🫡
@dirtylemon3379
@dirtylemon3379 Жыл бұрын
The worst part I remember is how he had the widow Roger Maris and their kid's following him all over the country during this thing. Disgusting.
@adamdorgant9454
@adamdorgant9454 Жыл бұрын
True!!!
@SupermanHopkins
@SupermanHopkins Жыл бұрын
I remember that hearing like it just happened. It was opening day of March Madness, and I didn't bother to watch a single dribble while that hearing was going on. I even watched George Mitchell's testimony.
@JusNoBS420
@JusNoBS420 Жыл бұрын
Those late 80’s Oakland teams were fun to watch. I was like 12-13 yrs old living in Seattle (before Ken Griffey Jr) and always wore an Oakland A’s hat
@paysonfox88
@paysonfox88 Жыл бұрын
I still think that McGwire is borderline Hall of Fame... Barry bonds definitely deserves to get in there one day. The commissioner looked the other way, the game got healthy with more offense, and baseball ranked in a lot of money and got way more popular. The steroid guys were doing a job that needed to be done. Calling it cheating is BS, just put the top guys from that era in the Hall of Fame whether they juiced or not. Because was nobody stopping it? No! Nobody was stopping it.
@aaronkimball7092
@aaronkimball7092 Жыл бұрын
That book changed baseball forever
@unclephil3902
@unclephil3902 9 ай бұрын
"Gone, but not forgotten." 20 years from now: "Who?"
@ultrametric9317
@ultrametric9317 Жыл бұрын
I was living in St. Louis in 1998. Everyone in the city was giddy. They even got Roger Maris' kids to attend a game. I was NOT giddy. I knew what was going on and I was pissed off. I called into a radio show to complain and was cut off. Bonds and McGwire's records should have asterisks.
@frederickglass1583
@frederickglass1583 7 ай бұрын
McGwire came clean about it. Bonds lied under oath when questioned by higher authorities(Congress) and hid from the truth, yet Mark's the bad guy? Nah, ya'll just salty McGwire tried to own up to it. Sosa dipped and Sammy flat out LIED to people
@baq8680
@baq8680 7 ай бұрын
They shouldn't have asterisks... they shouldn't be records... period. It's called cheating.
@rnhtube
@rnhtube Жыл бұрын
I never understood why people get so up in arms about PED use in baseball in this time period. They were all using, what difference does it make? If the league was going to let it go, wouldn't you expect the top performers to all be guys who were using? And the selective enforcement for hof eligibility- they got guys in there who definitely used, but kept out the more conspicuous examples. Pathetic.
@zenaidagrubb6646
@zenaidagrubb6646 Жыл бұрын
Not everyone was using, and because it's cheating.
@AdamS235
@AdamS235 Жыл бұрын
If you honestly can’t understand why people get mad then you must be brain dead lol. I think all these guys should be in the HOF too but I’m not confused why people don’t like cheaters
@BST-lm4po
@BST-lm4po Жыл бұрын
Steroids are bad for your health. If you let some players use, then the other players are at a disadvantage. So your basically forcing the other players to use a substance that is bad for their health, just so they can continue to compete.
@rnhtube
@rnhtube Жыл бұрын
@@zenaidagrubb6646 It wasn't against the rules in the 90s
@ifbfmto9338
@ifbfmto9338 11 ай бұрын
@@zenaidagrubb6646 There are TONS of things that are TECHNICALLY against the rules, but the rules are virtually never enforced, so to play the game at a high level you have to adjust to that reality……… Take traveling in the NBA You could literally call turnovers all day every day on every team in the league if you followed a very strict, by the book rules definition for traveling……. But it’s NOT strictly enforced, so you unsurprisingly see players play the game NOT by the ‘letter of the law’ but by how it is enforced (or not) And steroids in the 90s were no different Everyone knew that half the league was juicing, and it wasn’t enforced in any way, so the only way to stand out/get ahead when literally ALL the dominant hitters of your era are juicing, the ONLY way to even give yourself a chance, is to do the same thing they are 🤷🏼‍♂️
@BaronVonPwn
@BaronVonPwn Жыл бұрын
I still hold him in high esteem. Growing up a cardinal fan . It was the roid era and he played it well. It's not like cheating has stopped in the modern era.
@maxdubs2241
@maxdubs2241 Жыл бұрын
Yeah and Rob Manfred is cool with it now too how about that? Let Houston essentially get away with it
@jcraigshelton
@jcraigshelton Жыл бұрын
And why MLB still sucks to this day.
@csnide6702
@csnide6702 Жыл бұрын
um... yes it HAS.... Tatis the latest one suspended.
@slowery43
@slowery43 Жыл бұрын
no one cares if you do or don't hold him in high esteem... get over yourself
@BaronVonPwn
@BaronVonPwn Жыл бұрын
@@slowery43 imagine the disappoint your parent's feel knowing they made you and here you are posting this. It's sad really.
@1981bevo
@1981bevo Жыл бұрын
"i'm not here to...to talk about the past. i'm here to be positive." well he positively ain't got no highway no more
@Rick-mo2zm
@Rick-mo2zm Жыл бұрын
I didn't even follow baseball at that time in my life (15 years old in 1998), but I was certainly tuning into ESPN every night to follow Sosa and McGwire.
@tacocruiser4238
@tacocruiser4238 Жыл бұрын
The Bash Brothers were what made me love baseball as a kid. I thought the Star Spangled Banner started with "Jose can you see" instead of "Oh say can you see". I am not joking. I actually thought that lol.
@hectorlopez1069
@hectorlopez1069 Жыл бұрын
Bash brothers are now enemies
@donaldlahoda8693
@donaldlahoda8693 Жыл бұрын
Love or hate it these guys were just giving baseball what it wanted at the time. Deep down everyone knew what was going on but it was so exciting to watch that we all turned a blind eye just to see how far the limits could be pushed. When the dust settled nothing was left to witness but some good old fashioned drama and we ate that up too.
@billplaney2585
@billplaney2585 Жыл бұрын
Yes, those who bring in the money are usually the ones who make the human rationalization machine perform the most amazing gymnastic moves.
@Corn-Pop.
@Corn-Pop. 11 ай бұрын
as someone from St Louis who was watching baseball while McGwire was a Cardinal we were sad to see it all go down later on, that 98 season was so hyped all year and the fact that McGwire was battling Sosa who was on the rival Cubs made it that much better, watching McGwire just slamming home runs over and over was a blast, and the MLB might have a stern stance on all of it now but back in 98 MLB was marketing the hell out of McGwire and Sosa racing for the record, MLB made a bunch of money that year because of just those 2 players
@drexlerb6031
@drexlerb6031 Жыл бұрын
Mark Langston was a starting pitcher, not a reliever. I even checked if this was a one-time thing or something and his 1988 stats - 35 games, 35 games started.
@johnsanko4136
@johnsanko4136 Жыл бұрын
I remember the race between McGwire and Sosa, and the rise of Bonds shortly afterwards. Never before in my life had baseball become such a centralized topic in casual conversation. You could actually argue that for those few years, it was more popular than the NFL, which is a massive statement. And with so much positive attention being drawn to Baseball because of steroid use, it's no wonder that Bud Selig and the administration tried their best to ignore it, or sweep it under the rug.
@jefferytokarsky1930
@jefferytokarsky1930 Жыл бұрын
It wasn’t just Selig. Everyone knew … but no one wanted to believe. A season long HR derby was too good to ruin with reality.
@joehonest7074
@joehonest7074 Жыл бұрын
McGwire is what made me fall in love with baseball as a small kid. Because of what he did and introducing me to the game. I will always have love for the guy. I could care less he did what 80-90% of the players were doing.
@f00dify
@f00dify Жыл бұрын
I don’t want to be that person, but I think you mean you couldn’t care less. By saying you “could care less” means that on some level you do care about Marks steroid problem.
@carlmarks8170
@carlmarks8170 Жыл бұрын
It just amazes me that American sports fans will boo Altuve & the Astros over "sign stealing" and they'll boo the Patriots over "Spygate" and "Deflategate"... But they'll give a pass to cheaters like Lance Armstrong, Mark McGwire, Julian Edelman and Deandre Hopkins because "everyone else is doing it". Americans are fucken pathetic with their double standards and with their PEDs.
@Average_CoD_Clips
@Average_CoD_Clips Жыл бұрын
This is nostalgia level 100 to me. I was around 10 years old at this time. I vividly remember coming home from little league games then watching the Home run Record race games with my Grandpa. Now that I’m older, some of the magic is gone now that I understand everyone was juiced up but it was still an exciting moment in history.
@conorgilles81
@conorgilles81 Жыл бұрын
"Those of you who are old enough to remember the '98 season..." Not only do I remember the '98 season, I remember the '89 season. I was watching with my dad when an earthquake hit San Francisco right before one of the World Series games.
@soulplane7320
@soulplane7320 Жыл бұрын
Well done man! I’m remember watching the HR race when I was a kid. I was 6. Baseball seemed larger than life. McGuire, Sosa, Canseco, Ken Griffey Jr. Palmerio, Bonds, A-Rod, Gonzalez, Vaughn, Belle…bro it’s insane to think that actually happened. And it was the best time to be a Yankees Fan..World Series in 96’, 98’, 99’, 00’. Crazy stuff. Maris still has the record 61 as of now….
@jonathanwashington9199
@jonathanwashington9199 Жыл бұрын
I Wouldn't Be Surprised If Aaron Judge Breaks It This Year
@eircification
@eircification Жыл бұрын
Watching the Sosa MM battle as a young teen was incredible.
@UltraCrazycarl
@UltraCrazycarl Жыл бұрын
I was always partial to Griffey myself. Hate all the injuries but inhis prime he was amazing. Still proud to support him.
@LarryLonson
@LarryLonson Жыл бұрын
Why? All 🦵
@Soccox
@Soccox Жыл бұрын
This was the start and down fall of quality role models for young kids. Also giving a signal to young kids that cheating pays
@adamdorgant9454
@adamdorgant9454 Жыл бұрын
True!!!!
@agoo7581
@agoo7581 Жыл бұрын
In the 80's players used cocaine, in the 70s and prior to that, they were alcoholics. Are those the "quality role models" you refer to?
@EnlightnMe48
@EnlightnMe48 Жыл бұрын
@@agoo7581 everyone says it's a children's game, but go back to the start and it's grown men smoking cigars, drinking, chewing tobacco. All little league is the incubation in the farm system that grows the next generation of replacement players to keep a billion dollar business stocked with fan drawers. It's hardly a kids game. It's an adult buisness and has always been one.
@bradleybrown8399
@bradleybrown8399 Жыл бұрын
there are plenty of quality role models out there, and they don't happen to be athletes.
@adamdorgant9454
@adamdorgant9454 Жыл бұрын
@@bradleybrown8399 Agreed on that!!!!
@brianporter447
@brianporter447 Жыл бұрын
I lived through this as a baseball fan that every game. Bonds was the biggest face on this topic. Even Clemens was a bigger topic. And when they found out Palmero was juiced... Crazy how some fans see things differently.
@MeneTekelUpharsin
@MeneTekelUpharsin 4 ай бұрын
What changed with Palmero?
@jasonvoorhees8545
@jasonvoorhees8545 Жыл бұрын
I'm definitely not a fan of baseball but up here in this part of Canada we all associated that homerun season between Sosa and
@kylelloyd4437
@kylelloyd4437 Жыл бұрын
I still remember that season. So crazy. Everyone new he was on steroids but nobody made a big deal until it was too late.
@adamdorgant9454
@adamdorgant9454 Жыл бұрын
True, MLB did nothing about it, their attitude was like, say, Go Ahead, do it, we don’t care if you get caught, we’re going to let you get away with it, and that’s exactly what happened!!!!
@oldironsides4107
@oldironsides4107 Жыл бұрын
That’s how all pro leagues are. And any good college programs.
@bobabooey4537
@bobabooey4537 Жыл бұрын
He was a monster. A major threat at the plate early in his career. The Bash Brother years.... epic seasons in St Loius. That big season with Sammy. So many great baseball moments and it was exciting... fun. Everybody loves the home run. Now... all these years later, I cant help but to think of the roids. He gave himself such a black mark on his career and legacy. Roids.
@eric-vm3oz
@eric-vm3oz Жыл бұрын
the part that is most absurd is that the Hall of Fame voters knew and ignored the steroid use while McGwire and Sosa brought their subject back to life in 1998.
@falcon1378
@falcon1378 Жыл бұрын
Don’t forget Barry Bonds either
@whitemexican5981
@whitemexican5981 Жыл бұрын
@@falcon1378 Sosa and McGwire saved baseball before Bonds had his career moments. They were likable and fans loved them. Bonds… not so much even at the time.
@falcon1378
@falcon1378 Жыл бұрын
@@whitemexican5981 true, good point.
@adamdorgant9454
@adamdorgant9454 Жыл бұрын
Them and Bonds!!!
@ericcarter2020
@ericcarter2020 Жыл бұрын
Not forget Barry Bond was using it! That black wrap on his left arm is something bodybuilders use to make their muscles pump
@stvinney
@stvinney 26 күн бұрын
Bonds hitting 73 just a couple of seasons later really made this whole era a joke
@rockerbob949
@rockerbob949 Жыл бұрын
One of his boys played high school baseball against my sons in Orange County California! Mark would try to blend into the crowd. When he was in the 84 Olympics I sat near his family and held up the banner his family brought!
@HeemTheDream32
@HeemTheDream32 Жыл бұрын
Him and Sammy Sosa what made me love baseball in the 90’s the way they raced to hit 70 hrs in 98 was the stuff of legends damn shame they was all on steroids
@slowery43
@slowery43 Жыл бұрын
Maybe spend less time wathcing baseball and posting and more time reading a 2nd grade English writing book.. ugh
@HeemTheDream32
@HeemTheDream32 Жыл бұрын
@@slowery43 LMFAO
@HeemTheDream32
@HeemTheDream32 Жыл бұрын
@Shannon Waterhouse he needs to take his own advice your right wudda hypocrite 🤣🤣
@JoshRandall187
@JoshRandall187 Жыл бұрын
I remember that magical summer. Mark was my favorite player. But I could watch Sammy on a daily basis because of WGN being nationwide. I never missed a Cubs game that season after Sammy started blasting all those home runs in June. It's like he would hit a home run every time he came up to bat.
@SarahDigsHockey
@SarahDigsHockey Жыл бұрын
Good video. It's too bad that you didn't (or couldn't) use actual clips of McGwire telling congress that he wasn't there to talk about the past. I think that would have driven home the point even better.
@duboisstewart8265
@duboisstewart8265 Жыл бұрын
That ending had me dying 😂man really said his crowning accomplishment was a strip of highway
@rynehancock1882
@rynehancock1882 Жыл бұрын
He’s in our teams hall of fame.
@djbongwater
@djbongwater Жыл бұрын
Canseco strikes me as one of those guys you're friendly to in groups, but when it's just you two, you really don't have anything to talk about
@isaacwojo3273
@isaacwojo3273 Жыл бұрын
He comes off as bitter
@csnide6702
@csnide6702 Жыл бұрын
Canseco has been the ONLY honest one in telling the steroid Era story. Read his books - he pulls no punches and tells it like it was - only to get bad mouthed for it.
@mikerusso703
@mikerusso703 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps that's an indictment on you ....
@csnide6702
@csnide6702 Жыл бұрын
@@isaacwojo3273 why shouldn't he be --- he was blackballed once MLB saw he was going to make 500 HRs and the Hall of Fame.
@kanegarvey848
@kanegarvey848 Жыл бұрын
@@csnide6702 Like him or not, to your point, Canseco's story has never changed. He's a no bullshit honest guy.
@BrandanTheBroker
@BrandanTheBroker Жыл бұрын
When you really look at 2 situations involving steroids, it's odd but laughable how the federal government went for the jugular when they went at WWF over steroids, but they just slapped the wrist of MLB.
@davidziemann9653
@davidziemann9653 Жыл бұрын
Let's not forget Palmeiro embarrassing himself and Sosa forgetting how to speak English. LOL
@tomdelong808
@tomdelong808 Жыл бұрын
I remember doing a high school report on the 1998 Sosa McGwire home run battle
@CaptainRedbeard.
@CaptainRedbeard. Жыл бұрын
Man, I loved Big Mac when I was growing up! Was my absolute favorite player, as a kid I could give a shit if they were juicing up and now as an adult, I still don't give a shit. Baseball was so much more exciting back then.
@davidmccright3764
@davidmccright3764 Жыл бұрын
McGwire was my absolute hero as a kid. Got me into baseball and weight lifting. It absolutely gutted me to see what he went through over the years with the media. I still feel bad for the guy. It is interesting that so many PED users are in the Hall now, but the ones with the most prolific stats are not.
@uksteelcityredleg3852
@uksteelcityredleg3852 11 ай бұрын
I bought a ton a McGuire memorabilia in 1998. I had his rookie card in 1991 and still do. I sometimes wonder what all of these items would be worth today had someone just did the world a favor and had Canseco disappear. How the ball bouncing off his head in right field didn’t do the trick just baffles and angers me. All joking aside, That summer of 1998 was as exciting of a baseball season as I have ever seen. I remember seeing, many times, channels switch over to the ball game when one or both was at bat.
@TurnOffYourTV
@TurnOffYourTV Жыл бұрын
Super work. A pleasure to watch.
@dospostmann9361
@dospostmann9361 Жыл бұрын
And let's not forget how baseball turned around and let the whole journey happen again with Barry bonds
@Burdman660
@Burdman660 Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry you missed the 1998 season and 90's baseball in general. The game was so much more exciting back then.
@illmerica322
@illmerica322 Жыл бұрын
I was 11-12 during the home run race and I remember my dad talking saying they were on steroids
@fouchpouch7034
@fouchpouch7034 10 ай бұрын
Hard to deny that this time in baseball was anything short of if the most exciting time that I can remember.
@baq8680
@baq8680 7 ай бұрын
It's easy to deny... baseball was great any other time than when these jokers were playing...
@finnmccool22
@finnmccool22 Жыл бұрын
Baseball was dying when McGuire, Sosa, Bonds, Palmero and a host of others started lighting up pitchers. The homerun race literally saved baseball for TV. Major League Baseball knew what was going on and turned a blind eye to it because these guys were saving their asses. They were filling seats and increasing TV viewership to where Baseball was cool again and not so damn boring. When MLB got what it needed it turned its back on the players and went after those who saved it with a vengeance. It's a sad and disgusting saga and it's one reason I have given up on Baseball and no longer watch any games and canceled my mlb TV subscriptions. Who care anymore, nownits just a bunch of overpaid whiners playing a kids game and ruining it. Are there still good ones out there? Yes, but not as many as Baseball needs. RIP.
@andrewebb3283
@andrewebb3283 Жыл бұрын
Funny thing is it's still dying
@iwritechecksatthegrocerystore
@iwritechecksatthegrocerystore Жыл бұрын
Who cares if it was dying? And for who was it dying? For the networks? For the fans it wasn’t. MLB allowed the steroids to go on because it was threatened by the NFL. By people screaming “baseball is boring”. MLB sold its soul in the 90s and has never been the same since.
@charismatic9904
@charismatic9904 Жыл бұрын
I was 16 in 98. Baseball was so much fun. I do feel that some of these guys like mark and bonds and arod and clemens and so on should be punished. I do think these guys should all be in the HOF. but I do think their records should not stand as official. In my eyes Maris is still the record holder of HR in a season. You can keep the numbers but just make them unofficial.
@MH3GL
@MH3GL Жыл бұрын
Punished? For what? Should we not count Hank Aaron's HR record because he was black? The steroid era didn't start in 1998, or 2007, it had been going since the 80s. But, oddly enough, things still seem to remain consistent... Ruth set the 714 HR mark in 1935. Roughly 40yrs later in 1974, Aaron broke it. Another roughly 40yrs passed, and it was broken again by Bonds. For "cheating", that's pretty damn consistent. All the while, over the past 80yrs, the mound has been lowered, spitballs were outlawed, along with discolored balls - all adding to the advantage of the hitter... And yet, .300 still remains the mark of a good hitter, 300 wins and 3,000 SO still remain HOF pitching standards. The game polices itself. If hitters are juiced, so are the pitchers throwing to them, and the fielders attempting to put them out. It's self regulating. Clemens was one of the greatest pitchers this game has ever seen before he started using steroids, it just meant we got to enjoy it a little longer. Bonds earned every single one of his HRs because he is one of the greatest hitters this game has ever seen - not because of steroids. And I say that as a person who hates Barry Bonds. There is no need for asterisks, or discounting stats, just a simple moniker that they played in the Steroid Era - just like Ty Cobb played in the Dead Ball Era. Should we discount all the records that have been attained with "live balls"? I think not....
@charismatic9904
@charismatic9904 Жыл бұрын
@@MH3GL I am not wasting my time reading this. This is the definition of saying alot without saying anything at all. So not gonna even waste the time.
@MH3GL
@MH3GL Жыл бұрын
@@charismatic9904 sounds like you already read it if you know what it says. But since comprehension seems to be a strain, I'll shorten it for you: If you punish the Steroid Era players, then you should punish the Live Ball Era players for not continuing to use a dead ball. We also should punish players who use ash, maple or birch bats instead of hickory, and we should probably punish fielders who used 13" gloves. The game changes. The parameters change. But it still finds a way to regulate and police itself. There is no need for "punishment."
@mondoseguendo6113
@mondoseguendo6113 Жыл бұрын
According to another KZbin channel baseball doesn’t exist; so who gives a 💩
@nmelkhunter1
@nmelkhunter1 Жыл бұрын
Arrogant a**. McGwire ignored some young kids asking for autographs during pregame warmups when the Cardinals visited the Rockies in about 2002. In the meanwhile, several Rockies players gave those kids baseballs and other assorted items. My stepson was one of kids who was ignored, and while he’s still a Cardinal’s fan, he still despises McGwire.
@marclaporte3710
@marclaporte3710 10 күн бұрын
" Not here to talk about the past " Was actually genius as he skirted the questions and didn't perjure himself.
@johnskilling7019
@johnskilling7019 Жыл бұрын
I still remember the Sportscenter coverage in that 98’ season: “And McGwirrrrre…GAWT EEEEMM. 485 foot bomb! His 53rd on the year!” He looked like a Terminator armed with a Louisville slugger. And I remember many people for a moment wanted Sosa to have the HR crown since it hadn’t come out yet that he was also using PEDs.
@edsonbojorquez2913
@edsonbojorquez2913 Жыл бұрын
Androstat was sold at your local GNC store, I used to buy it when I was 18, I went to the store and asked for a dietary supplement and they recommended androstat, it’s not like they were meeting some illegal seller or anything like that…and those “whiteness” saying that they used to go to the bathroom to juice up “everyday” is just BS, that’s not how steroids are used…plus, people thinking that steroids are not an issue in baseball (or any sport) now a days is just very naive, back in the day being a big dude ment you could hit HR better than smaller dudes, now a days you got all kinds of small dudes hitting bombs, because they found out that you could get faster, stronger, leaner without getting huge even if you take steroids…I’m pretty sure at least 40% of players are juiced in modern baseball
@lRosettaStonedl
@lRosettaStonedl Жыл бұрын
Yeah… I was like you don’t inject everyday bro. Obviously he was using in the 90’s but I don’t buy Canseco’s BS.
@edsonbojorquez2913
@edsonbojorquez2913 Жыл бұрын
@@lRosettaStonedl I’m thinking cansecos was attempting to maybe normalize not all but some steroids, so that he could play again because in reality he was already at a point that he needed at least to be on testosterone for life because he just could not produce his own anymore
@lRosettaStonedl
@lRosettaStonedl Жыл бұрын
@@edsonbojorquez2913 most definitely. It doesn’t take that long depending on the dosage.
@lukelang7781
@lukelang7781 Жыл бұрын
He was never just on andro my friend...
@edsonbojorquez2913
@edsonbojorquez2913 Жыл бұрын
@@lukelang7781 for sure he was using more stuff, I was trying to say that in those days it was very easy to get steroids and used andro as an example because I was familiar with it 👍
@sammehlberg6664
@sammehlberg6664 Жыл бұрын
I don't really give a shit what happened one way or another. I came of baseball age in 1996 and it was not very fun, then big Mac came to stl and whether or not he cheated, drew the attention of myself and 2 million other baseball fans in stl. I'd love to meet the dude
@TODDKNIGHT3123
@TODDKNIGHT3123 Жыл бұрын
I'm a true baseball fan and I hate the steroids era, but understand that these dudes didn't take a magic pill, it's a drug that helps you work out, and not 1 study ever has found a link to hand eye coordination. McGwire hit 33 bombs before the All Star break in his first half a season, the dude was going to hit bombs no matter what!
@Landrew1208
@Landrew1208 Жыл бұрын
Would love to of seen Dave Kingman play a few more years on The A's in that powerful lineup.
@acepaul407
@acepaul407 Жыл бұрын
Mark McRoid was fun to watch. Paul Bunyan cartoon character swatting baseballs outta the park left and right. Good time to be a fan.
@soaringvulture
@soaringvulture Жыл бұрын
He wasn't fun to watch if you were a fan of pitching like me (probably because I never could hit). A pitcher would make McGuire pop up but the ball would end up in the seats; that's how strong he was. Bonds was even worse because he didn't pop up, he hit liners off of good pitches that went into San Francisco Bay.
@pullt
@pullt Жыл бұрын
They allowed steroids when he took them. I always respected the way handled himself.
@calekarr10
@calekarr10 Жыл бұрын
As I sit here and lovingly gaze at my Mark McGwire Wheaties box, and bobblehead.... I want to continue to beat this team of dead horses, by saying, steroids don't make a baseball any easier to hit. You can juice up anyone you want, and put them up against a major league pitcher, and they'd be lucky to foul one off. Secondly, Mac and Sammy saved baseball, and probably caused my own obsession with it, at least partially. The man was my hero at that time, and I get a warm nostalgic hug every time I think about that season. My mind won't ever change that it was a spectacular experience, and it saved baseball as we know it. I will die upon this mole hill.
@jarredsapper6148
@jarredsapper6148 Жыл бұрын
Hes still got Big Mac Land in Busch! We still love him in STL!
@JeffBondOO7
@JeffBondOO7 Жыл бұрын
Heck yeah we do!
@angelic7007
@angelic7007 Жыл бұрын
Baseball didn’t attempt to stop any player during this steroid era. Remember chicks dig the long ball.
@jasonquinlan1733
@jasonquinlan1733 Жыл бұрын
Him, Arod, Bonds, Clemons, and others deserve to be in the hof, they were modern day hero’s to many and they essentially revived the sport. Instead they are all black balled from the sport and even though some might say they knew that they had it coming, you could still put these players in and tell the story of the steroid era.
@Bidensucks371
@Bidensucks371 Жыл бұрын
Amen you couldn't of said it better
@jaredpajama8821
@jaredpajama8821 Жыл бұрын
I still think Barry Bonds is the greatest hitter of all time. You want to put an asterisk on that go ahead, but you can’t deny what he did.
@scottharris9526
@scottharris9526 Жыл бұрын
They already celebrate hundreds of cheaters in the HOF today. And some have been linked and proven to have used steroids. So they should definitely be in the HOF and recognized for what they all did. Save baseball from death.
@sergeantmasson3669
@sergeantmasson3669 Жыл бұрын
Jason Quinlan, "juicers" forbidden from the MLB HOF.
@sergeantmasson3669
@sergeantmasson3669 Жыл бұрын
@@jaredpajama8821 Barry Bonds, "juicer."
@larryloveless2967
@larryloveless2967 3 ай бұрын
This was really interesting. As a long time Cards fan with baseball memories going back to 1960 I saw Mark Mc Guire bring back baseball fans to St. Louis as fans were disillusioned from a baseball strike years prior and the Cards had mediocre teams in the 1990s. I remember Andro seemed to be referred to as a super spinach. So much more was later known. It is alarming seeing how slow the MLB was to react. It takes a unique skill to play baseball so it is not like taking Andro makes you a baseball player but does pad numbers. The best that can be done is to ensure that any player who is known to have taken a performance enhancing drug that suddently turined the body of that person into goliath size not ever enter the HOF and move on. That being said. you also cannot take away the excitement Mark Mc Guire brought to St. Louis and the MLB needs to take blame since according to this video Andro was allowed while he was here. .
@solesoulsorrow
@solesoulsorrow Жыл бұрын
I'm not here to watch videos about the past. I'm here to be positive.
@j.mieses8139
@j.mieses8139 Жыл бұрын
1998 is still my favorite MLB season. 13 year old me was captivated by that HR race. That was a Fun Summer!
@kes17415
@kes17415 Жыл бұрын
Mark McGwire erred in his use of performance enhancing drugs, and he paid the price of not gaining entry in the HOF. Bud Selig was in charge of MLB during that era, and erred by turning a blind eye to players using performance enhancing drugs, and was awarded entry into the HOF. Selig in the HOF is wrong in my opinion.
@6699230
@6699230 Жыл бұрын
Why should Selig be in the HOF for any reason?
@adamdorgant9454
@adamdorgant9454 Жыл бұрын
@@6699230 I was wondering the same thing!!!
@Freddieduda
@Freddieduda Жыл бұрын
I've never heard of the bash brothers but l do remember the 1998 home run chase between McGuire and Sosa made the national news over here in the UK. I had no idea about the steroid abuse and congressional hearings though. All very sad that a great career appears to be tainted.
@brendanables7367
@brendanables7367 Жыл бұрын
That’s one of the smoothest ad transitions I’ve ever seen
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