The False Gospel of Jordan Peterson

[@eole123456789]

I owe a lot to JP. He’s one of the reasons I went back to my catholic roots. His lectures on the Old Testament rekindled my Faith. That being said, I think his allegiance to the Jewish Spirit through the Daily Wire and his scientism are keeping him from converting. It also doesn’t help that the Church in its current state is doing everything to turn souls away from the true Faith.

[@lukejohnson1274]

It’s a huge problem. How am I supposed to try and convince people to be Catholic while also having to tell them that Francis is an anti-pope heretic and the Vatican II sect may very well be the ape of the Church counter church of Revelation.

[@OisinMcGrath1916]

Amen.

[@elcidcampeador9629]

Did anyone think Peterson was a Catholic or orthodox Christian? I never did.

[@Against-Modern-Errors]

Nope Neither did I.

[@TheCareOfBear]

Tammy, his beloved wife, is a devout Catholic. Keep Dr. Peterson in your prayers.

[@el-sig2249]

He never claimed to be a Christian, although he often sounded like it. Let's keep praying for him.

[@Against-Modern-Errors]

@el-sig2249 fair enough but there are videos of him dictating what clergy and lay catholics should be doing as if there aren't any people fighting the good fight in the church.

[@romulus3345]

He needs to stop representing Christianity in these debates against atheists when he himself is not fully onboard as a believer.

[@astrovarius543]

True. Also why doesn't he argue his position against anyone of genuine faith? Sure, he has discussions with them but never seems to disagree with them, only agreement to a point followed by interpretation.

[@Dan-km8zy]

He does nothing of the sort. He has openly said multiple times that he receives just as much flak from Christians ("hurry up and stop fence sitting!" kind of thing) as he does from the secular left. He has been a stepping stone back to the faith, for me included (and probably his wife). I'll pray for him to come to Christ as Lord at HIS pace, because that is the only true way.

[@Phantazum]

Jordan Peterson isnt Catholic or even a Christian. He has no gospel, I think anyone who listens to him and is a Catholic knows this. But he is a moral person and he has deep thought out insight on our topics. But you are right. I have to raise an eyebrow everytime I see him being the second coming of Jesus on these liberal shows.

[@marykelemen2959]

I DO pray for Jordan Peterson. He’s a fascinating work in progress and I’m waiting for his metamorphosis to be completed so he can join his wife in the fullness of our Catholic Faith.🙏🕊️❤️‍🔥✝️

[@the.santos.lives.]

Lot of ppl hope like that, Im sure he knows it too, making it helpful for him to ride the line and extract money

[@Richard-iw1dd]

@@the.santos.lives.so does that mean the Church should turn away celebrity converts?

[@lindamcnelis6374]

Prayers for Jordan Peterson 🙏

[@Stupidityindex]

Truth is: There is a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore looking like an idiot & nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital. Faith attracts people possessing low esteem by delusions of a relationship with a deity, ultimate forgiveness, magical power called prayer. It takes outrageous gall, ultimate audacity, to express knowing something of a deity. The great evil of faith is it serving as a mask for insanity & authoritarians. Faith commits the crime of indoctrinating children with a fantasyland. Faith feeds followers with ludicrous nonsense: Numbers 12:3 Now Moses was a very humble man, more so than any man on the face of the earth.

[@tinadavy3990]

I listen to JP on how to grow kids up, basic good parenting skills, adolescent 'insecurities', politics and Canadian government, etc. .... but NEVER when speaking about true Christianity ... he's just not there.

[@aloyalcatholic5785]

I have to admit as a Canadian socially-conservative catholic, I held this fellow out as someone to follow in the past. As I've come along into "traditional" catholicism, now not so much..

[@briankenome]

Me too. Since I started attending the SSPX here in Canada, I stopped taking people like Dr JP seriously on Christianity.

[@OisinMcGrath1916]

Amen brother, same here. What a tragedy

[@justjosh_]

I feel the same about him. He just comes to a halt and then sounds silly.

[@TaitBrown-v2b]

Father Ripperger this summer had retreats to teach men how to be strong men to become Good Catholics which sounded very similar to Peterson rules for life. Take up your cross and follow me says the gospel and Peterson says clean up your room. On the other hand, when lockdown hit I did not see any Peterson followers resisting the tyranny where 60 per cent of Canadians had financial loss and there were tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths per year.. I pray for Peterson to become Catholic, in the meantime the Canadian bishops could hire him as a consultant to purge the Woke Synodal modernist religion from seminaries .

[@briankenome]

The Canadian bishops you say!

[@Michael-vf2mw]

"On the other hand, when lockdown hit I did not see any Peterson followers resisting the tyranny " Do you mean just in terms of personal anecdote? I don't know if I have any Peterson "followers" in my friend group so I could say (I'm sure many of them listen to Peterson, but I'm not sure what a follower is) but certainly most of them were opposed to the insanity.

[@OisinMcGrath1916]

I wouldn’t hire him for anything in the church, but yes there’s elements of truth in Jordan Peterson work, it might even be 95% true, which is specifically why it is dangerous. It can appear to be in communion with Catholicism when it’s notm

[@briankenome]

I love dr Peterson and have his books, but i stopped listening to anything he has to say about Christianity, a few years ago, after his answer to the following question: Interviewer : are you a Christian? JP: it depends on what you mean by that. Interviewer: would you call yourself a christian? JP : what makes you think your idea of Christianity is the same as mine? At that point, i was done with Dr Jordan Peterson talking about Christianity!

[@Truth_sets_me_free]

My understanding is that the biggest influence here is Jungian. Jungians have created a supposed map of the human psyche, and psychologically reinterpreted cultural/religious symbols within that new(ish) psychology. This might result in incidental psychological insights, but these insights could have only very minor relevance to those "in Christ". I think it unfortunate that he has chosen to use so many Catholic symbols in his (sometimes useful) psychological analysis, as I suspect it would be better done without it. And then there's his apparent (unwarranted) strong stance in regards to the Middle East. Peace be with you all.

[@karlthomas2429]

Nice video Kennedy, always a pleasure, looking forward to seeing you again in St. Marys, Kansas.

[@OisinMcGrath1916]

Earned my subscriber, JP work was a big part of my journey to the faith. I was shocked to discover the predisposition of evolution was a farce. I used to acclaim him, now I realise he is dangerous. Thank God for the grace of humility to turn from my ways

[@patriciadiaz8679]

💯agreed !!

[@denisemariateresa]

Yes, however pray for his salvation. The unbelieving spouse is sanctified by the believing spouse. His wife is devout to the Faith. He has had visits with the Norbertines of St Michael's Abbey in Southern California. I don't judge him on his past and I am believing for his conversion and salvation through our Faith. Deo gratias! 🙏🙏🙏

[@monical.8360]

Thank you for your insightful explanation and the connection to Teilhard de Chardin.

[@midnight_77]

His word salad is actually impressively insane.

[@noantipodes5251]

You nailed it Kennedy. This most recent debate or non-debate with Dinosaur Dawkins made me say the same thing - Jordan is a danger to himself and others as he is trapped in double mindedness of sane and profane thoughts. He is playing with the Gospel and prophetic revelation in ways that is dangerous - let’s pray for him.

[@iadenicole931]

I like Jordan Peterson and he says many good things. But he is not catholic, therefore, I take what he says about the Bible with a very big grain of salt. He is coming to the truth ( hopefully) slowly but surely. Being an intellectual, he needs to sort things in his mind. However, Jordan needs to understand that some things are mysteries and we will never understand this on this side of life. He needs to humbly accept that. I do hope he comes to the faith. I do pray for him every night.

[@astrovarius543]

Yeah, I feel he is too clever and analytical for his own good ultimately. He's kinda built his identity on being a secular christian/christian atheist, and I believe he has served as an intellectual stepping stone for many who later found their way to faith beyond reasoning. Maybe he is simply serving his purpose, and his own time will eventually come. We can pray.

[@steveb5331]

I think Peterson has helped a lot of young men turn their lives around and has effectively pushed back against woke nonsense. He may appeal to individuals who may be averse to Christian teaching based on their bias. However, as a Catholic, I don't rely on him for reinforcement of Catholic teaching.

[@Against-Modern-Errors]

If you need advice on psychology related subjects, sure, go to him.. He's the last person to take advice from when it comes to the Church.

[@OisinMcGrath1916]

The use of evolution to describe psychology is hard to get by though if you’re using his lens, and it completely dismisses the spiritual intricacies

[@katydidd6321]

If I'm being honest I'd admit that my conversion ran along similar lines to Peterson's, I was just automatically seeing scientific explanations for some of the things that I read in the Bible (my parents are a scientist and an historian, its the way I was raised). However, I'm suspicious of everyone, especially influencers and celebrities, and Peterson is an influencer - yes, he's done good things for people, I'm not questioning that. I'm just suspicious by nature. And back in 2016 he called people voting for the 45 prez 1930's Germans if you know what I mean, and I'm sorry, but I don't hold with obviously overblown propaganda. He's smart enough to know better. I think he really is just trying to keep everyone on the plantation, so to speak, but I'll be charitable and leave it at writing him off as a grifter.

[@astrovarius543]

I will say, in spite of his seeming refusal to step through the door, he has a led a lot of people right up too the door and even cracked it open enough for them to have a peek. Many have gone on to choose to step through it thereafter, such as myself. But for whatever reason he's rather stubborn about stepping through it himself "Well it depends on what you mean by God" is rather tiresome for those of us who have stepped through already. We and he both know what *we* mean by "God" and we and he know what *he* means by "God". His question is only really profound to those who do not know God.

[@katydidd6321]

@@astrovarius543 🙄I saw that! I just closed my laptop and walked away, lol.

[@tMatt5M]

Peterson commenting on biblical stories is weapons grade cringe. The level of cringe could power civilisations.

[@patrickmeyer2598]

"Towards an omega point" What Dr. Deepstate has been calling the singularity. Let's just say that the Daily Wire considers JP a great asset!

[@stephenmcguire7342]

Now you know why Bishop Barron is so fond of Mr. Peterson.

[@starvinmarvin243]

Spot on. JP needs to shut up for 5 mins and let God do the talking.

[@drstewart]

Why would he "shut up for 5 minutes" when people are literally asking him to talk? Do you think you're really watching him in his private life?

[@oscarielosacosta2078]

JP never claimed to be Catholic, like everyone else he is on the path on finding the truth he is very close. He courage and honesty is admirable, we will not give and keep praying for his conversion. Therefore he has not claimed any false gosple.

[@ChestertonsJest-cy3vo]

I have enjoyed listening to Jordan Peterson‘s insights from his perspective on the various books of the Old Testament. I think the hand of the good Lord is on Jordan Peterson as he validates a lot of what Catholics and Christians believe from a non-Christian/Catholic perspective, and is leading a lot of souls towards God and in fact into the church. He doesn’t profess to be Christian or Catholic, so I don’t hold him to the same standards I would someone who does. I think once he does enter the church if that does happen, it will close the door to many people who are not Catholic because once you become Catholic, that pervasive bias thats out there just sets in , and in many ways, our friends and family no longer hear us. I believe in good time, Mr. Peterson will enter the church as his wife has, and hopefully by then he will have developed good, sound, orthodox Catholic doctrine to engage his mind and keep it set towards the things of God.

[@MichElle-zc9tu]

He needs prayers and if he is not 1 with Tammy in her Catholic Faith, the devil will attack him and before too long he might realIze he was wrong and/or proud.

[@dennisdevito2829]

Sorry Mr. Hall I don’t really see the need for the video I don’t get my religious teaching from Mr. Peterson or seek him out for spiritual guidance and I don’t expect orthodox catholic teaching from him I am more concerned with a Pope , our Bishops or parish priest who confuse the faithful and teach heterodoxy and these are the men who have the authority to teach the Catholic faith not Mr. Peterson

[@drstewart]

This is a case of judging a fish by its ability to ride a bike. Peterson is not a religion KZbinr, theologian or even ideologue (his podcast aside). He's a clinical psychologist who happens to find himself at the threshold of a journey into faith in a secular context. No one should be looking to Jordan Peterson to form their faith, or to be instructed in it. The difference, and the reason that the comparison to Teilhard de Chardin is dishonest, is that de Chardin was an ordained Catholic priest who as an actual theologian had a duty to teach orthodox doctrine. Peterson is a person with zero faith background, viewing and evaluating subjects that men have struggled with for their entire lives, through a Jungian lens. It's a false premise to say stay away from the gospel of Jordan Peterson, because he's not preaching one. He's a social commentator with a clinical background who became known for standing against the zeitgeist. De Chardin on the other hand had an actual duty to preach the Gospel, and the formation to do it. Get instruction on faith related matters from people with the knowledge and authority to do so. If you're interested in sociopsychological approaches to improving your life and cleaning your room (and therefore your head), listen to Jordan Peterson. The one thing I will agree with is to pray for him. Pray that he stops wrestling with the angel and accepts the call that his wife has already embraced.

[@aaronsomerville2124]

That’s a fancy way of saying that he’s a Satanist but you like him anyway (or you’re too prideful to admit that you were wrong to like him in the first place).

[@drstewart]

@@aaronsomerville2124 That's quite the incredible mental leap but ok.

[@brewcity2317]

​@@aaronsomerville2124, I didn't read that in his post.

[@el-sig2249]

I never realized de Chardinian Peterson sounds. I thought of him a bit like the Manichaean Augustin before his conversion, coming up with two questions for every one that he answered. He's great on personal philosophy, family and social issued, politics and the deeper meanings inherent in the best classical writings. But when it comes to religion, faith and metaphysical realities, he's just poor. To be fair he never really offered a gospel, that's to say that he never really claimed to answer to answer the most pressing existential questions. When it came to that he was clearly speculating.

[@AnthonyOzimic]

To be fair, the materialist evolutionists like Dawkins are strongly against any sort of metaphysical ideas about evolution eg ancestral memory or Omega points, not least because it implies teleology, orthogenesis, dualism, etc.

[@jarrakis4834]

He’s been touted by those claiming to be Christian’s. Not so good

[@susanlangguth955]

Great work

[@paololorenzi3396]

Even more stupid is thinking that JP represents christianity in any way like that fake roman church that split from the original church adding a doctrine which they got from forged documents😂

[@michellestansberry9101]

I believe he would but the current papacy is why he hasn't

[@dianneraimondi8382]

Teilard de Chardin's theology is garbage.I read him in my 20's and I thought he was insane. How it became [popular is beyond me.

[@Saiyan585]

I wouldn't call it a false gospel because he's not a Christian. He's still trying to figure it out. He is growing closer to the truth, so I don't see the point of going after him on it. Everyone knows he's not there yet.

[@sealhammer]

Jordan Peterson was cool when he was telling dispossessed and aimless young men to take responsibility for their lives so they could take responsibility for their society, and he stopped being cool when those same young men took that to its logical conclusions which were outside the bounds of his ideology.

[@astrovarius543]

True, but there's still a lot of dispossessed and aimless young men who are receptive to his foot-in-the-door Christian perspective. He certainly leads them to it and lets them peak through, then naturally many choose to open that door and step through. Why he doesn't do that himself is a mystery but hopefully one day he'll be ready to do so.

[@drstewart]

Which logical conclusions are outside of his ideology?

[@aperta7525]

Human beings don't have to be perfect for Our Lord to use them for the good He wants to do in life. Thanks be to God and glory to Him. That is a great kindness to those who love Him and those who will one day love Him, to not be "meaningless"/worthless for good.

[@drstewart]

@@aperta7525 Agreed. I think bringing the Bible and Christianity into a otherwise secular discussion does more good than we realize.

[@franktoyou]

Recommended by Will Tucker about Teilhard: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gV6yiKdqp62Aa6Mfeature=shared

[@kyoshi5868]

Honestly I don't like him. The problem is that he mixes truth with so many fallacies and those under his influence are unaware that they are unknowingly drinking poison. Some say he brought me back to Christianity, but there may be many more who were made agnostic by him.

[@microwavedsoda]

JP was co author of A gend a 21

[@drstewart]

Citation or gtfo

[@deliagibbons8776]

Peterson is always half way there. Not good enough. I find him irritating most of the time, even though I think he has good intentions.

[@martintalbot875]

You're not to much different

[@Lucasarg23]

He is a materialist, soo all his philosophy begins with evolution, we need to stay far away from this guy!

[@aperta7525]

You need to be a better Christian is what you need to do. Not a pharisaical sectarian.

[@jean.D54]

Next time, talk to us about the false gospel of SSPX please. You know, the one where you can desobey saint peter because you think he can send you to hell.

[@astrovarius543]

Interesting, seems like you might have plenty to say on the subject given the critical tone of your message, care to elaborate? I'm curious.

[@aaronsomerville2124]

I’d rather hear about you choosing to worship Satan instead of Jesus because some fat communist told you that Jesus isn’t in charge anymore.

[@lukejohnson1274]

By St. Peter do you mean anti-pope Francis the heretic?

[@brewcity2317]

With 30,000+ Protestant denominations, and neo-Christians like the Jehovah Witness and mormons, with millions of Muslims and Zionist J_w, with Hindus, Buddhist, pagans, and outright Satanist... you're worry and contempt is for the SSPX? Are you a Novus Ordo zealot? If you are Novus Ordo I have to ask myself 🤔 why do you all embrace every and anything, people, or teaching, every heresy ever committed, and all that reject the Chair of Peter, held by Novus Ordo Pope, but have contempt and wrath against the SSPX if not Traditionalist accepting Bergoglio, as well? It 🤔 like the question why do Satanist pick the Catholic Mass to invert and blaspheme as the Satanist communal worship of the devil? Why don't they pick the Mormon religion or Tibetan Buddhism or Orthodox J_d_ism to invert and being their model form of worship? If the Lutheran's, Anglicans, Baptist, Orthodox and Reformed J_w_, Shia and Sunni Muslims, Shaman... don't bother you, the 🤔 why does the SSPX incure your contempt and desire for eradication? No need to answer, I think I know the answer and have your and other Novus Ordo's cards.