The fascinating counterpoint of Lamentation letters

[@GBN_01]

Elam: "I could really sit here for hours and show you with much enthusiasm many beautiful letters of other composers, but..." Me: "Yes, please do." *grabs popcorn*

[@jonathanlippard1730]

I am hopelessly behind on EMS videos. Probably because I grab my synth and play along (usually slowly), whilst telling everyone even remotely interested in music what an awesome channel this is. No regrets.

[@ultramet]

Can we take a moment to recognize that Elam is not only teaching us these fascinating Lamentation letters concepts but he’s “crushing” the Hebrew in this video, his native tongue. Just sounds so beautiful when he pronounces the Hebrew flawlessly! ❤ this video series!

[@btat16]

The little modified Jingles are always a real treat! I can tell this will be another fantastic video

[@Nooticus]

Absolutely excellent video, entertaining and informative throughout!

[@dlevi67]

Your analogy of the letters being like the illuminated capitals is so appropriate. Thank you so much for another little illuminated and illuminating gem of a video, Elam!

[@rafaguay5804]

As a liturgist and church musician, I knew right from 0:12 that this was gonna be good!

[@the_number_e]

Leçons de ténèbres from the French baroque have been some of my absolutely favorite pieces. The melismas on the letters are always so gorgeous, but I never realized that this is what they were, thank you!

[@es_ist_unmoeglich]

Rameau's troisieme leçon de ténèbres is true beauty...

[@Gregorianus37]

The Couperin lessons are a frequently-sung favorite of the Schola Sainte-Céciile in Paris.

[@evilscientistrecords]

Thank you for bringing this phenomenon to our attention and providing so many examples!!!!

[@marcduhamel-guitar1985]

Old music that's new to me. Love your channel, keep up the awesome academic work and brilliant performances ! Cheers !

[@simongross3122]

Thank you for sharing these. They are absolutely gorgeous.

[@videnteloco]

I still cant believe this great channel doesnt have more subs. Fantastic channel.

[@GoodSneakers]

A beautiful episode. “Compact and clear”, so true, so lovely. ❤

[@markdpricemusic1574]

Many, many, many, many, many , many thanks for this lucid and wonderful exposition!

[@manelvidiella8004]

Thank you very much for your work, it is awesome!!!!

[@chong2389]

Thank you Elam. This video brought back the memories of my first year music history class at university. I had never heard such beautiful music. Understanding the context of a work adds immeasurably to my enjoyment. Parts of 'the puzzzle' snap together to make a simple line drawing into a three dimensional colour holograph.

[@VaughanMcAlley]

I love the predictable structure of Lamentations: Intro, letter, text, letter, text, letter, text, Jerusalem… I have written music for one reading’s worth of lamentations and am in awe of the renaissance composers who set the whole cycle (multiple times) and managed to keep things fresh. Palestrina Lamentations are a masterclass in achieving powerful effects with (for example) five voices with the total range of two octaves.

[@nixonkutz3018]

Brilliant, sublime, stunningly beautiful

[@AlexandraZernerRocks]

Your channel is one of the most precious things on KZbin! And when you feature Lassus on top of that, it's a pure bliss! Thank you!

[@MathiasMuller-wz1if]

Danke!

[@leonidasdeguevara7146]

Maravilloso trabajo... As usual 👌👌👌👌👌

[@Beryllahawk]

I had no idea about the Lamentations, so I learned a huge amount in this video! And these are so gorgeous, too. As always, beautifully sung and excellently discussed! Thank you!!

[@edwardkershaw6916]

The Cavalieri is very scrunchy. Love it!

[@wrmacdonald9383]

Thank you. Having been away, I was very happy to become reacquainted through this elegant presentation.

[@KennyRegan]

I think this must be the best channel on KZbin. EXCELLENT work all around!

[@lcerante]

This was a master class! Many thanks, wonderful video and excellent demonstration.

[@therealzilch]

Another typically informative and charming video. Thanks again, Elam. Cheers from cloudy Vienna, Scott

[@stepanjandl9275]

Another amazing video full of interesting information! Thank you :)

[@kyrieeleison2793]

One of the most moving Catholic services, which can still be found in Latin Mass parishes. After each lamentation, a candle is extinguished until the church is dark. The sound of banging/stomping (ie strepitus) from throughout the pews symbolizing the earthquake that followed Christ's death. The first Tenebrae is traditionally anticipated for Holy Thursday, being celebrated on the evening of Spy Wednesday.

[@Remi-B-Goode]

the complex montages of your vids are impressive, and the subjects very interesting and well explained; thank you!

[@michaelschmitt2427]

Very, very beautiful. Thanks for a wonderful episode.

[@vrixphillips]

Lamentations and settings of the Tenebrae are some of my favorite works of Renaissance music! thanks so much for this episode

[@dhackj]

Beautiful lecture!

[@petrparizek9945]

Thank you for this. I've heard Tallis's Lamentations many times but I've never thought about this before. For me his version is simply outstanding just because I would only expect some of his contrapuntal ideas to be found in something like 19th century music, not in late 16th century music. And by the way, his "Dalet" caught my attention every single time I heard it (and the very final section as well).

[@agogobell28]

I adore the Tallis Lamentations!!

[@maxjohn6012]

So pleased to see Osbert Parsley mentioned in your list! I was a chorister at Norwich Cathedral, and one of my cats is named after him :) Beautiful music and a fascinating video, as always! The Cavalieri at the end were a particularly exquisite treat. Thanks so much for all you hard work.

[@andrewgrant9782]

Fascinating! And some beautiful singing too.

[@carlstenger5893]

Yet another brilliant video. Thank you so much. I don't know which I enjoy more: the wonderful analysis and teaching, or the beautiful music.

[@mauricioamf]

The tenor was on fire!!!!! Beautiful flores

[@whycantiremainanonymous8091]

8:30: It's the tenth letter, so tenths are in place

[@philipkimber4403]

I`ve loved Orlando Di Lasso ever since I was in a small choir under Siegfried Hermelink at the University of Heidelberg 1967 -1968.

[@billymeyer99]

Bellissima! thank you for another facinating and beautiful show.

[@BernardGreenberg]

The _Lamentations_ having been among my favorite forms/genres forever, my personal favorite "letter settings" heretofore have been those of François Couperin, for two sopranos and continuo, mostly built around canons at the second, producing exquisite 2-3 and 7-6 suspensions almost everywhere. The exquisite grace of these little perorations knows few equals.

[@amicus1766]

The "Lamed" is such a cry of the heart all on it's own - beautiful and wonderful, especially with the ornamentation.

[@mylesjordan9970]

Fabulous work. Thank you, Elam, and all who participated! The idea of variation in repetition is still present in Mozart, Haydn and Beethoven; their recapitulated materials may differ slightly from how they appear in expositions. Between the turn of the nineteenth century and our own time, an anachronistic academic convention established total conformity between iterations of the same materials, so the advent of the Urtext movement baffled performers trained in the early twentieth century. They felt they had to cherry-pick between details to “correct” the score. Seeing the end of this video would have saved Zoltán Székely countless hours; it provides the clear historical context for what he considered irrational anomalies.

[@Arthur94]

Fascinating ! And as usual, well sung. Than you !

[@jonaswolfmusic1775]

Since I see it mentioned nowhere else, let me just say: the recordings are extremely beautiful!!!

[@KarstenJohansson]

I learn so much from watching these episodes. It's all information that I've never seen anywhere else. Who knows... one day I just might understand it enough to write an authentic piece! :D

[@jessicarowley9631]

Another great video absolutely packed with explanation and demonstration of composition techniques. Thank you all for this.

[@paolovolante]

Hello, I would like to propose a possible subject for a video: the harmonic analysis of Monteverdi's "Si dolc'è il tormento". I deeply looked at it from a jazz arranger point of view and I found the harmony very surprising. It's an AB structure and while the A is quite predictable the B is very "jazzy", in my understanding. I think it would be interesting to see from an Early Music expert as you how this composition fits into the music rules of the Monteverdi's time or how much it breaks them. Thank you for your wonderful videos. p.s. I based my analysis on the Lea Desandre & Thibault Cauvin version of this composition.

[@jacekzajac8356]

No instrument sound better in polyphony than human voice. That should not be surprising from the stand point of physiology. Your passion for the subject is infectious and your talent in conveying your knowledge is great. 😊👍

[@toccataforte]

I have ALWAYS wondered about this. Tallis' were just so captivating...

[@alexcitron5159]

So far you're making early music much more friendly than they did in music school - bravo!

[@en-blanc-et-noir]

top notch video!

[@BombardierJake]

This was fascinating, thank you! I already had an interest in Renaissance music, but you have opened up a whole new avenue for me, so thank you.

[@smuecke]

19:47 This is one of the most beautiful cadences I have ever heard. Jacob is incredible.

[@brunocoliveira89]

Thank you!!!!!

[@luisdavidcastillo1187]

One of the most beautiful works that I have had the opportunity to sing has undoubtedly been the lamentation of Torrejón and Velasco, I sang it with the Camerata of Caracas, and it is a work that will never be extinguished in my heart, if you do not know it, you will know I recommend 1000 times ❤️

[@HighWideandHandsome]

Thanks again for another extremely informative video, and also for letting me know about Kendrick's book in your footnotes.

[@monscarmeli]

The comparison to illuminated letters in manuscripts was perfect -- they're musical illuminations!

[@monscarmeli]

wanted to also share my fav letter, from Tallis' first Lamentations setting: kzbin.infoUgkxMpfSIM1FeeW5gtYynKeWxDFlxySiwPK5

[@danielfajardo9092]

Me encanta la creatividad de estos videos y de las ultimas interpretaciones❤❤

[@thormusique]

So beautiful, thank you! I've long been fascinated by de' Cavalieri's style, which seems quite bold and unapologetic in its eccentricities. Although there were certainly any number of contemporaneous Italian composers one might describe that way, I think that de' Cavalieri, having also been something of a diplomat, would have come across as especially sure of himself. At least, that's my story and I'm sticking to it! ;-) Cheers!

[@kamuelaakeo7851]

Wonderful

[@giorgiopacchioni]

Bravo Elam, eccellente trattazione.

[@IsaacOtto]

Always thrilled with each new topic. I'm reminded of the Qur'an cantors who sing these mysterious, seemingly arbitrary letters before each verse -- e.g. "alif lam mim" -- set to beautiful melismas.

[@liammcooper]

very interesting

[@TenorCantusFirmus]

Probably a common Abrahamic/Semitic provenience (right away, I can also notice similarities between the names of Hebrew and Arabic letters despite having never studied neither Language). Not a surprise it also have passed down into Catholic polyphonic music.

[@prototropo]

I love the general feature of Arabic music to use lots of melismatic figuration. It might be the first thing a Western ear hears, even before microtonal scales.

[@davidecirillo9675]

If you're looking for a modern counterpoint rendition of the Lamentations letters, I recommend listening to Igor Stravinsky's "Threni", an important work from his serial period.

[@dbadagna]

Stravinsky may have gotten the idea to compose this piece from Ernst Krenek, who had composed a setting of the Lamentations, "Lamentatio Jeremiae prophetae," in 1941-1942.

[@natheniel]

The final few clips of performances are just exquisite.

[@danyelnicholas]

Wonderful, thank you-made me curious to hear the record. The excerpts are exhilarating.

[@cuttwice3905]

I like how there were tenths of Yod; it is apt as can be.

[@Jantsenpr777]

Shalom, shalom, Elam!

[@RonLWilson]

Very interesting!

[@ProfRonanMC]

The Cavalieri is amazing - I can't wait to hear it all! The wrench, in Heth, with c-natural colliding with the previous c-sharp is a show-stopper.

[@melodicaat]

Elam speaking hebrew! זה כזה מוזר לי אבל מגניב בו זמנית :)

[@yoavshati]

אני חייב לנסות להלחין כמה כאלה. בלי שאר הטקסט אפילו, רק האותיות

[@AnandaGarden]

Very enjoyable.

[@adriangraumann9847]

Fascinante! Si algún cantante en Madrid está viendo esto: quedamos para improvisar polifonía?

[@bifeldman]

Marvelous

[@MenelionFR]

Thank you so much Elam! I believe it's the first time I heard you speaking Hebrew.

[@theofraslin3449]

Just discovered your channel, and so glad I did. Not only I find early sacred music fascinating, but the historic explanations you provide are truely enlightening and interesting as well. I don't know yet if you've already did it, but if it's something you might find interesting, I'd love to hear you explain Gesualdo's madrigals and Hildegard von Bingen's works also, that would be a real pleasure. Those two composers really amaze me. Thank you very much for this video !

[@Gregorianus37]

It's that time of year where my attention turns to the Lamentations, of which the plainchant melody given in the official, twentieth-century edition is almost identical to the one shown in this video, although there were other versions, notably in the Mozarabic liturgy (which is Latin but not Roman), and there is a fairly elaborate version for the Prayer of Jeremiah that concludes the reading of Lamentations on Holy Saturday.

[@tedalper1464]

Wow! I can't decide if this is seasonally appropriate as Tisha B'Av is approaching when Eichah is read (with its own haunting cantillation), or seasonally inappropriate as music is avoided during the three weeks. But this was really illuminating, I sang Thomas Tallis's version in college some 40 years ago and noticed the setting included those beautiful cadences for the verse numbers/hebrew letters before each verse; I was also well aware that the original hebrew text of [almost] every chapter is in acrostic form lost in the latin we sung. But I never thought to wonder why the letters were included at all in these christian liturgical settings.

[@raphaeladams4985]

I note that this podcast was released on the Hebrew date of 17 Tammuz which ushers in a 3 week period of mourning over the destruction of the Temple and is concluded by the reading of Lamentations. I have minimal musical background but I appreciate the magnificence of this podcast in terms of the presentation quality, scholarship and, most of all, enthusiasm. Yasher koach.

[@hunterharris4869]

Utopia has a wonderful recording of Morales's Lamentations and the Passionarium Toletanum.

[@fabianoderore296]

If only the composer's feather of Rossi's successor in spirit would finally approach the lamentationes with its transformative touch so that we will be able to listen to them in their original linguistic beauty... 😇

[@elenin.3228]

You and your team are the best thing that ever happened to y/t. This is Musi Aademy level! Oh, and some more Hebrew, please! I love the sound of it!😁

[@marinapegrisch1305]

Always adooore your pineapplelamp !!🤗

[@quietdeep8663]

Can we get a full list of these letters? I want to try to write a fugue for all of them

[@CamQTR]

wOW, I wish that my professors in college were as good as Early Music Sources.

[@kathyjohnson2043]

❤

[@BarnabyWalters]

“I’d love to make a long video but that’s not how youtube works” - nope, that’s what people use streaming or second channels for! I’m sure a large portion of your audience would love occasional longer, less formal/structured videos about topics you’re enthusiastic about. I definitely would…

[@Christianvs1997]

Your Hebrew pronunciation is good Elam!

[@StockyScoresRaoraPantheraFC]

He is Isreali

[@alexandrusimo899]

please do frescobaldi's prefaces to his toccate!

[@katrineroberts4084]

Dr Rotem, i have a question about Bachs missa in b minor (si minore). Jos van veldhoven said that Bach atopped writing adter the' et incarnatus est'. This means that 'confiteor' was not composed by Bach but the cinfiteor is very difficult to sing and uses a cantus firma the alto line. The 'sanctus' was reused in qxdiffernt piece for a court celebration. The sanctus is one of the most satisfying music to sing. If Bqch reused it then he must have composed it. It is slightly remiscent of vivaldi. This has troubled me since i read about it from the Nederlands Bach society.

[@kyle-silver]

I can’t help but think of the Promenade theme from Mussorgsky’s Pictures at an Exhibition. Anyone else?

[@ombracaradaverno9289]

Dear @earlymusicsources, are you and Propheti Della Quinta planning on a recording of these beautiful collection of Lamentations? Unfortunately, i can only find records of Lassus' for 5 voices...

[@EarlyMusicSources]

I'm afraid not, sorry. But you can check our recent recording of Cavalieri's Lamentations!

[@ombracaradaverno9289]

Alas, what a pity.. but thank you for the Cavalieri recommendation! And please keep up the good work, your videos give me great joy and insight 😊

[@BethDiane]

I think the Ashamnu is composed with the same structure, each successive sin beginning with the next letter of the Hebrew alphabet. I once went to a Reform Yom Kippur service that included a second, more modernized Ashamnu, collectively composed (in English) by the congregation and read out by the rabbi. It too lacked the alphabetic element.

[@jimbullock4156]

Dear Mr. Rotem, 50 years ago while in college I encountered an early vocal method treatise that in its preface instructed the student to place the wine cork between the molars while practicing the exercises. I do not recall the author or title. Do you perhaps know this source? Thanks.

[@EarlyMusicSources]

It is from the 1922 book "The Voice Beautiful in Speech and Song" by Ernest George White. Many thanks to Lisandro Abadie for knowing this!

[@jimbullock4156]

Thank you.

[@d.j.j.g]

Eloquent, elegant, accurate (those fantastic perfect fifths you all sing!), and wonderful. Thank you so much!

[@carlapr97]

Hi Elam! What do you think about Palestrina’s Lamentations? Do you have some listening recommendations when it comes to him? Thanks!

[@TenorCantusFirmus]

Beautiful and ingenious, albeit my favourite Lamentations are still those by Palestrina. Remembering them, I can now identify the "Hebrew Alphabet Motif" therein too, I think he actually used it in all the Letters.

[@fnjesusfreak]

The letter feature does appear even in English bibles, but only in Psalm 119.

[@Yamikaiba123]

In time for the 9 of Abib!