The Fast Fashion Conversation

[@DrewJoiner]

It is important for me to say this, as well. I am not trying to shame or put anyone down for buying fast fashion. I think this conversation is a really difficult one to have, especially as someone who makes content about fashion. I am in no way the perfect example of ethical consumption. Some of the brands I have showcased here on the channel have really poor ethical, environmental, and social impacts. Nevertheless, I still think this conversation is worth having, without a doubt, because ignoring it helps nothing. It’s always peace, love, and positivity until the end for everyone. I never want anyone to feel attacked by the content I make.

[@SJ-qz8zg]

It’s all love Drewski !! We know you just trying to make the world a better place for all. This topic isn’t an easy one to bring up being a fashion content creator.

[@Bebop999]

For you to be in the fashion community, having such a large following AND showing the negative sides of fashion and the industry is massive. All love and respect for you man

[@Jack13001]

Uniqlo is absolutely fast fashion. They have a unique artistic viewpoint yes, but they also require a massive rate of consumption/ disposal of clothing to function as a company.

[@jaydenvisnaw]

The best we can do is educate people on why they should not buy fast fashion, but it is not our place to judge people for buying fast fashion. We don't know their stories and their struggles. As long as we make people aware hopefully they make the decisions for themselves to look for more ethical options.

[@DrewJoiner]

If there was an ultimate conclusion to this video it would be this comment

[@renelhynmakasampang8033]

i do believe that outside of buying vintage, supporting local is the way to go! you're supporting people who don't chase profit, but instead just try to live out passion. this is also why most of these local brands actually prioritize sustainability and ethical production :))

[@DrewJoiner]

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[@jasonorozco4641]

Drew mentioned what he would say to his younger self and it got me thinking about how fast fashion kinda helped me experiment with different styles to ultimately define what my true sense of style was. It helped me play with proportions, materials, colors, etc. I was never aware of the adverse effects and I rarely buy from fast fashion brands anymore but I do think the younger crowd shouldn’t feel bad about or be ashamed for supporting or indulging in fast fashion.

[@DrewJoiner]

This is spot on

[@victorBQ27]

I'm in Brazil and I don't have money. Zara is considered a luxury brand here. You want me to buy from what, Dior? For 3x minimum wage for a shirt? No, my man. 10.000 usd is LIFE CHANGING MONEY for me. I'd take that instantly. it's not even greed. It's survival for me.

[@ahmadshafik_]

buy local bro

[@Whodnl]

I think Uniqlo has always been fast fashion I would say the part that makes Uniqlo different, is that I would say is there core thing is basics first with additional trends sprinkled in. I think a lot of people could say that a lot of the Uniqlo clothing usually stays within a closet compare to other fast fashion company’s. There has been collaboration with high end designers and fashion fashion companies with the likes of H&M with Margela as an example. But I would say I think the biggest thing is knowing what voting with your dollar is. I think that’s important to know how much your money is worth not on a monetary level and more of is this what I feel is ethical and I would co sign with my beliefs.

[@Nado0227]

I enjoyed this video and I’m always trying to be conscious of the way I consume. For me, I do buy fast fashion for three reasons. 1) I don’t reserve a high budget for clothing since I care more about utility than looking flashy or trendy. 2) I typically buy clothes once or twice a year and only typically buy more frequently when I need to replace something but even then I’ll try to buy second hand. 3) I am a bigger guy and clothing that is affordable and in my size is not easy to come by, especially when it comes to ethically made and sustainable. However there are some things I find problematic in my opinion 1) While I think you are right in addressing the downfalls of fast fashion brands and those that promote them I find that taking the side of the those that are praising the luxury tier is a bit biased in that exacerbates an issue where (some) fashion content creators seem to blindly promote buying only luxury or a grind and save mindset to buy second hand luxury is a narrow perspective. 2) Even though you do address that not everyone can afford luxury items it still sounds as if you are shaming those that can’t. Even if they don’t desire to own luxury. The argument you make seems well intentioned but where it falls short is a utopian mindset where buying fast fashion in any capacity paints those with the broad brush of not being educated or willing to buy something of higher quality. Overall I think the conversation of buying ethically is much more multi layered that touches areas of society and class economics. I believe the choice of what ones buys is important but it would be foolish to think that the fashion industry as a whole has done their job in educating the consumer, especially when there are issues at each level. Lastly, there are more ways to be ethically conscious about fashion that just with what one purchases. Some of those things being frequency of purchasing, washing, reusing, reselling etc. I don’t want to be argumentative or to paint you in a bad light but if you do read this, please know i have only good intentions in saying the conversation about fast fashion is much more nuanced than the quality of clothing a person decides to purchase.

[@emoburger42069]

Uniqlo is definitely fast fashion even if ppl like to think it isn’t. The reason they have such high end collabs is because uniqlo is so ubiquitous and makes high end accessible to “normal” people.

[@baaauniverse]

Consumerism at the end of the day really makes it tough. So many thoughts on this topic but was stoked to see a free video on this. Mina le did a great video on shien/fast fashion if anyone wants to hear more on the topic!

[@DrewJoiner]

She is incredible definitely check it out

[@Indigololz]

Fast fashion can only exist with massive amounts of consumption. The major players WILL prioritize profits above all, but in order to accomplish this there needs to be a sufficient demand from consumers to buy the clothes they’re producing. It’s important to note, fast fashion is also a description of how we buy and use clothes. A shirt from Zara that you wear weekly for 3 - 5 years may be unethically produced, but it is NOT fast fashion. It’s easy to point the finger at the big corporations, but we must acknowledge our participation and enablement in how we buy and use clothes. Great vid as always Drewsky, I’ve been noodling on making a similar video. This was helpful in organizing my thoughts!

[@kylemalachowski]

This is really well said. Beautifully sums up my thoughts on fast fashion

[@DrewJoiner]

Great great points as always I agree 100%

[@isiahpaskins]

The definition does get even Ea Kurt depending g on who you ask. Fast fashion to me originally was clothing made to die fast or made to be thrown out

[@joshdough1845]

while I don't shop at Uniqlo all too much, I have to appreciate them for a multitude of reasons. they don't try to replicate trends or other brands and often collaborate as a substitute for that. they also (as far as I'm aware) ethically produce their clothes, which are long-lasting and of a decent feeling quality.

[@rrenatabp]

the thing with fashion is that whether it is fast fashion or high fashion, there is waste and human exploitation on both ends. there is plenty of evidence of how poorly brands like channel and gucci treat their workers, including buying leather from places that hire immigrants and essentially enslave them. So the question here isn't that fast fashion = bad and high fashion = good, it is knowing which brands are committed to being decent and ethical (there are not that many). I see a lot of discourse on the internet against fast fashion, as if the solution to it is simply to buy higher end pieces, when that is not always the case. Keeping ourselves open and informed and knowing we live in a fucked up system is the best way to try and live ethically when it comes to fashion, and even then it's not going to be perfect everytime. The best way for me is to buy from thrift shops and share clothes with friends and family that have a similar style, or shop from local small brands in my area, instead of opting for massive global corporations.

[@raleigh4570]

Things I try to do to avoid Fast fashion is: buy second hand / thrift, when buying new items try and stick with items i know are of quality and I will wear for a long time (Dickies, Basics.) I also try and make sure items I buy are made in ethical areas, I wear mostly Made NB so I know atleast most of the product is made completely ethically and I mostly buy basics from LA Apparel (another US based Brand). I’m not rich but I just try and buy within my means, and stay conscious about what I’m buying

[@xXcangjieXx]

I love LA Apparel!

[@ktroopa]

Its a bit difficult to take Devin seriously because his livelihood is most likely influenced by sponsorships. Based on your clip Devin's response didn't help him because he attacked the so called 'elitists' in attempts to devalue their primary message.

[@yungdung9835]

I think that the line between fast fashion and not fast fashion isn't as clear as people would like, most brands cut corners somewhere. The most ethical way to buy clothes for me is to buy from smaller brands that are transparent with their production techniques and vintage, but that line is drawn differently for everyone. The most important thing is to only buy things that you actually enjoy and are practical for you to wear regularly; if it doesn't fit in your wardrobe, do you really need it? Everyone to some extent tries to minimize the way that their spending habits impact the world, no brand is completely ethical and neither is every person. Edit: I've had an interesting year, but I would say that it was mostly positive; made a lot of new friends.

[@eajayy8969]

I haven’t really put much thought to the idea of fast fashion until this year. In my honest opinion what matters most is acknowledgment and transparency. People in fashion should first acknowledge the pressing issue that is fast fashion, but also supplement it with knowledge and educating themselves. This is where the role of transparency comes in, many local brands are quite transparent to begin with, and I feel like using them as a benchmark is a great place to start. Additionally, a part of educating oneself is to not simply label a brand as ethical or unethical based off quality; for all we know a high fashion brand can be committing the same atrocities as a low end one, so its up to us as the consumer, to really look into the brands we buy into and support. As they say, vote with your dollar.

[@pramitdey4720]

Post vid vid gang here. I think having the shorts are valuable to this channel since your regular videos are more comprehensive and in-depth into a topic. So I think it’s nice to have a contrast 🤌🏾

[@Manicle101]

I've tried to be much more conscious of where I buy clothes from over the past couple years. Seeing a video criticizing fast fashion from you is huge! Good stuff Drew 🤙

[@alphapc952]

I love how you calm and understanding you are Drew, that's why I liked you soo long. But my take on fast fashion is that i try to stray away from it now, but i once bought a bunch of asos items weekly, now i see that the items don't always have the best quality. But when i started exploring fashion i didn't know where to shop or how to style and since there is soo much gatekeeping i just started at asos. My point is that the argument "just buy second hand or thrift bro" is bad and good because it makes sense. But when you are starting to try and find you're style and find places like grailed or ebay, depop ext you still cant justify paying 50-70£ for a piece of clothing if you don't know if its you're style also in my case shipping would always be 20-30£ by it self. Now that i got older and learned a little bit more about my style and what i like i can spend a bit more also since i earn a bit more. In my case i was about 15 and didn't get payed that well so a 50£ piece wasn't something i had the money to get, and buying from second hand online weren't one thing my parents like they said it was risky and was much easier to go down to h&m or shop online on asos. The point is that i feel ofen people forget that thrifting and buying second hand isn't possible for everyone, and that people that have been into fashion for years has it a lot easier to find something they like, people often getting into fashion are insecure about what they like and mainly just want to try different things. Its a very hard topic i feel like.

[@DrewJoiner]

That’s one of the best comments explaining a situation i have ever read. I couldn’t agree more there is an ability to explore with fast fashion that maybe isn’t possible with more expensive clothes it’s not as easy just to say ‘go thrift’

[@kobesellsvintage1037]

Uniqlo is fast fashion. They may feel “better” than other fast fashion brands. But the brands core elements fit the fast fashion brand definition.

[@tomkenna2867]

very nice video drew, already watched it 8 times

[@DrewJoiner]

stop the cap lmao

[@mistresskate9799]

I live under a rock, so I only saw this video today. Excellent presentation!! You are so right about the point of business being to produce for the investors, the bottom line. When fashion went into a 52-week cycle of new releases vs. the old standard of seasonal releases, that was the intentional birth of 'fast fashion': consume, consume, consume. I prefer to buy thrift, vintage, and alter/make my own clothes. Personal style is so important and won't be found in fast fashion.

[@qui-gonjin4371]

From my personal experience shop for a certain seasons clothes when they’re on sale because a new season is beginning. (Example: shop for winter garments at the start of spring, or summer garments at the start of fall). Just the other day I found a really nice long sleeve polo shirt on sale from $50 to $39 it completed my style perfectly. Patience is key. Also always sign up to websites emails and whatnot a lot of times just for having that you get really great deals for online or in store. Good luck y’all!

[@misha_tsl3540]

i think Uniqlo is actually good, they make nice quality, and they mostly produce blank and essential pieces, also they talk a lot about recycling and how their clothes are made to be ok for the planet, so as a high school student i need some good quality and affordable clothes, that’s why a like uniqlo

[@veeceey1073]

I see both sides. I grew up very working class and couldn’t afford to even consider buying designer until I was in my twenties. I still shop at Uniqlo (love their basics) and have a few items from ASOS but besides that, I don’t buy fast fashion anymore. Tbh there’s definitely some pretentiousness when it comes to judging people that buy FF but I also feel like spending hundreds of $ on a shein/H&M etc haul is unacceptable. If you can afford to spend that much then you might as well use that money to buy something that isn’t FF, higher quality, and will last much longer.

[@lamargettens2370]

Perfectly said FF is a stepping stone but these hauls over did it

[@mccheki1070]

I consider a lot of companies like Zara and H&M even companies like Nike and Adidas. I come from Serbia and the income of a lot of people, including me, is low so we go to fast fashion because it's the only good-looking clouds we can afford. And vintage isn't really an option here. I have bought a lot of stuff from fast fashion companies in the past years but I tend to wear those things to their absolute max and if I don't want them I usually give them away to family and friends or I use them as materials for sewing. I think the best thing is that ppl who can afore non-fast fashion clouds buy expensive clouds and ppl who can only afford fast fashion buy those fast fashion clouds but were them to the max and if they don't like them, after a while, to donate them. When I look at my clouds I see clouds that I have had for 5+ years. I think that taking care of your clouds and wearing what you want to were and not just jumping to the hip is best.

[@shiloh002]

Such a good video man. Fast fashion is demeaning to individuals who make clothes, and put their time, effort, and creativity into their work.

[@aezidoubleu]

I don't have a lot money but I choose to thrift over fast fashion I admittedly bought fast fashion when I was younger but now adays I just can't it's disgusting what they do

[@deandelion4838]

Hey Drew, you're literally thousand miles away from me right now but I gotta say its nice to meet you and this channel!

[@DrewJoiner]

It’s nice to meet you as well🤝

[@superdupajosh]

The condescension in some fashion mf spaces really frustrates me. But I'm glad I found you bc there is only positivity and love !

[@dyllllan7024]

I mean Uniqlo ain’t too much fast fashion, I think it’s just a a step above, for me I literally exclusively shop there so there might be some bias😂. The quality is sooo good and they don’t try to follow/replicate trends like the others, they got Nigo as a creative director for their UT line, J+ collab, and just nice simple clothes which are easy to style as well as looking good.

[@DONQUIIIXOTE]

It’s hard to get people who don’t have means to care about stuff like this. It’s like trying to convince people who can barely afford food or live in food deserts to start eating strictly organic farm grown things. Like Devon said, it’s not accessible to them. However, I’ve had the privilege of educating myself on stuff like this so I am weaning myself off of fast fashion (though I still occasionally cop from asos, zara, uniqlo [iffy that counts, simply bc the quality is good and the designs are more novel than not]). Something that helps is copping from thrift, instagram boutiques or lowkey fashion brands I’ve learned about through (or that are created by) creators like you. I still don’t think the issue is as black and white even for creators bc some of their content is to help people with less find stylish alternatives. Also not doing halls with a boatload of pieces and instead focuses on a few at a time is the way to do it, if at all. And like you said these large or luxury brands also engage in exploration and waste. I plan on taking steps toward being more ethical daily and respect anyone who takes a step no matter how small it is. I posted a comment on an earlier video asking you to tackle this subject so shout out to you for doing so! Also #postvidvid gang. Years been hard, been busy but we’re finishing strong. Your channel has been one of my favorite finds this year. God bless ✊🏾

[@DrewJoiner]

Blessings to you man!!

[@Whodnl]

I’m liking the new facial hair, Drew Joiner always making are sundays better

[@DrewJoiner]

its coming in a bit Daniel hahaha!

[@nickbeach2679]

Really good video man. The choice to speak on this and hold those endorsing fast fashion accountable is the right one. Definitely how much is consumed is a big factor in all of this. For as many people who shop really consciously -- many of which who watch your channel, I feel like there are so many people I know/meet in everyday life regularly that shop fast fashion and still only care about the look/price and don't think about long term ramifications. Like you said, your influence matters and we all should continue to speak/educate on fast fashion.

[@emoburger42069]

I do not buy any fast fashion- and typically only purchase personal garments through second hand means.

[@frankiefigueroa7319]

Dude this is a great video, my mom always taught me that having debates are not always bad because in the end it’s constructive for everyone. And you maintained a neutral position so we could reflect on ourselves and see what we think and what we should do!

[@DrewJoiner]

Exactly! The point of these videos is to reflect and converse

[@spider-migz460]

Yo Drew! Working at Nike on the retail level, I think there’s definitely an argument to be made that the brand actually IS fast fashion. Yes they make certain products of quality here and there but if you dig deep enough, they have cut corners in certain materials in the products they use to keep people coming back.

[@elisecccccccc]

Honestly most fashion brands operate the same as fast fashion. There’s definitely levels to the harm caused, but most clothing is produced unethically. When I buy new clothes, I try to buy natural fibers from sustainable brands and have it be something I will wear for the garment’s entire lifecycle. This might be something like activewear (sometimes I do have to bend the natural fiber rule for activewear) or pajamas. Other than that, I can thrift or buy secondhand so I do. I also think it’s important in these conversations to acknowledge the social capital that looking on trend comes with. I would say, for people that need to buy fast fashion, the most sustainable way is to treat the garments nicely as you would with something higher end and also to buy into macro trends instead of micro trends. Macro trends have to do with dominant silhouettes (think skinny jeans versus baggy). You can likely wear macro trends for the better part of a decade or longer so I think to me that’s where fast fashion is the most acceptable. At the end of the day, if you’re purchasing in that way it’s already going against the grain of these larger companies business models and if everyone did that they would absolutely go out of business. Just my 2 cents. I think about this stuff a lot

[@themarias8350]

thank you so much for this video!!! it's so comprehensive and touches on so many points i haven't thought of before, like what brands are considered fast fashion and why some brands get overlooked while others don't. i'm such a big proponent on reducing consumerism as a whole, and just trying to buy less and use what you already own but it's hard to combat it with the constant cycle of trends and aesthetics. definitely sharing this w friends lol

[@jordiblu2131]

I actually like to mix it up, I shop Zara, ASOS (not for their own stuff) thrift stores and Depop, but I’m precious about my clothes so will keep items for a very long time until they fall apart and don’t shop via fast trends. I love the idea of completely shopping independent but sometimes you will be paying an arm and a leg, even in thrift stores! and if I have something in mind to get, you can’t guarantee it will be in an independent store so I will go to a Zara or Urban outfitters for it. I just hope some of these high street brands really take a GENUINE look at there impact and change shit, because some of the high street stores are great for people that don’t have very much money, but I do draw the line at brands like SHEIN where you can clearly see something isn’t adding up lol!

[@sanijad9smiles]

I used to hate buying from stores like Hmm and Zara bc of fast fashion hate, but now I realize that no matter what brand I’m buying from, it is supporting fast fashion and fashion consumerism in one way or another. Because even big brands and brands who call themselves sustainable aren’t as sustainable as we think they are. I’ve had shirts and pants from Hmm that I’ve worn for 5 years and clothing I’ve bought from sustainable brands that lasted me only one year. Thrifting is also not an option for me as it is just too time consuming. The closest store is an hour away and I can’t spend hours trying to find something. Imo it’s okay to buy from Hmm if you find something of quality (definitely possible), that you will wear for a while.

[@IAMFRESH]

This is my first time hearing this term! Bro this was a super informative and educational vid. Thanks

[@prodbytv7841]

As a person who comes from a relatively poor background, his comments about fast fashion being one of the few options available really doesn't stick right with me. There are so many small brands (Basketcase Gallery, Fugazi, Pythia, 8thwndr and the list goes on) that offer ecologically made products at good prices. Also, the 20$ spent on a shirt from one of these brands will be MUCH more appreciated than the 20$ spent at a place like ZARA or Pull And Bear. Buying from small brands also gives your outfits a unique touch. Also, him thinking fast fashion is "cheaper" just because it has a lower initial price point is just a bit of a stupid take. Just because something is offered at a lower initial value doesn't mean it is cheaper. High quality products and clothing made to last will be much cheaper considering resale-ability and demand, meanwhile your ZARA shirt has shrunk to the size of a toddler's head and is forever deemed unusable. There are also thrift stores and charity shops one could support. There is no reason as to why one doesn't shop from there. There is little to no excuses or reasons as to why people shop fast fashion. If you want a piece badly but you cannot afford it, either save up or don't buy the piece, you don't have to buy everything you see. If your country doesn't have good brands you can shop from, take your measurements and shop online. If your country doesn't have any thrift stores, go to online second hand shops like grailed, ebay or depop.

[@liluzivert6398]

ur speaking facts tho

[@Devananta-Rafiq]

Great comment

[@vitahl21]

This ^^^

[@crooked9210]

These cheap places don't have stores all over the world or even the country though. Also thrifting is also not a thing everywhere, and some places it exists but it's absolute garbage. And not everyone can just shop online either for many reasons. You're clearly talking from a privileged point of view, so maybe don't talk down to people that don't have your same ability as if you're better than them. Fast fashion has it's place.

[@prodbytv7841]

@@crooked9210 I live in a country 1/3rd the size of Rome and have 50$ a month spending money max, there is 4 total thrift stores in my country and shipping rates are crazy for here too. if you are at a living condition any worse than this I do not think fashion is your priority. Point is you can mostly make due with anything, my entire wardrobe is qorth around 100$ max and I have a good variety of things, you just need to know where to look

[@mattbonanza9032]

I buy from fast fashion chains sometimes if I find good quality and well made piece there. Sometimes in fast fashion chain you come across excellently made items that last very long time. It is almost like shopping vintage fashion, hunting for treasure buried under tons garbage and you are so happy when you find something special for very low price.

[@richardh8463]

For a lot of people, clothing is just clothing to them and since we’ve become so desensitised to things outside our bubble of existence, and so it’s tough to get people who are “casually” into fashion to change over to more ethical brands. In terms of UNIQLO, there’s certainly not enough transparency in their production process to consider them sustainable, and certainly it’s not sustainable by their production volume. I think also UNIQLO’s typical clothing that it sells are catered towards basics and “essentials”, in which there’s a higher chance that it will be worn for longer than on-trend ZARA/HM. There’s also their marketing which alters their image as well. Solid video, and it got me thinking! Also got me thinking about buying the Homme Plisse top because it’s been on my wishlist for a while haha 2021: pressure and growth :)

[@miserycord0666]

Very well edited video Drew. Great to see your vids getting better and better not only with the content but with the quality of the content

[@dangelowilson2475]

It’s about time my mans dropped, been waiting on the discussion vids. Good to see you Drew.

[@ozudelic]

Even tho I agree with you, as person who lives in Argentina I do understand why fast fashion is more "suitable" for some people. For example, in here everything that is high brand is five times more expensive than in the states. Even if you want to go to thrift shops, there is this people who go there and buy clothes to resale it. So at the end you have to choose between two extremes, buy the original thru a buyer (that is crazy expensive) or buy a second hand piece that is not always on good condition and is often not so well taken care of and its still expensive. PLUS we don't have depop neither we can buy things on ebay or those kinda places.

[@patparker7]

Very good points raised in this video. Keep the conversation going!

[@DrewJoiner]

Thank you! Will do!

[@anonymouspingu]

A bit late to this video, but this is one of the most important conversations we can have right now, not only when it comes to the fashion industry, but also when we talk about our environment. Thank you so much for making this video and talking about this to your audience. A lot of people think that its impossible to NOT buy into fast fashion. Sustainable brands can be expensive, but they also can be cheap, especially if you buy second hand (i just bought a Pangaia t shirt off of grailed for 20€). Please guys, go support your local shop, go thrifting, buy on grailed, depop, vinted etc, you can even make your own garments. Just please stop buying shirt for 3€ and throwing them away after less than a year. This is not sustainable for anybody.

[@Alcosin]

Postvidvid gang here, enjoying the shorts man!

[@DrewJoiner]

Thank you for letting me know!!

[@steverocksyo]

I've wasted so much money on both high priced and cheap priced clothes that have not lasted or lost fit over time that I stick with a few company's style and stick with it. Some were fast fashion others not. I still don't understand how medium high fashion clothes don't last.

[@ilovefeds42]

You a real one for speaking on this

[@marijab96able]

ooooof. Okay I have some thoughts on this. Devan's stance on fast fashion is.... interesting to say the least. What I think is particularly interesting though is that nowadays, 'fast fashion' brands are not as affordable as what they used to be. I was in the mall the other day and items from H&M and Forever 21 are closer to the $50-$100 price range now than the $10-$25 range from 10 years ago. Not to mention, it's still cheap material, won't last more than a season, and will be disposed of to the thrift stores because it was a trendy re-make of a high fashion piece. Thrift stores have some of the highest quality pieces, vintage items, so much fun patterns, prints, textures, etc. While I don't shame people for having their only options be fast fashion, or if that's genuinely their style, that's fine with me. But what I think doesn't contribute to a healthy conversation about ethical fashion consumption is Devan's use of loaded language that is meant to rile people up. Using words like "classist clothing crusaders", "everybody else whining in the comments" and "better than you brigade" does not lead into a productive conversation. What he fails to realize too is that we are not "fashion elitists" that don't want people to participate in high fashion trends, we would just prefer if you didn't kill the planet and put workers at risk while doing it. On top of all that, thrift store items will give you more unique pieces at a MUCH more affordable rate, than if you spend $60 bucks on a t-shirt from H&M. Mark raised an excellent point on that as well to say that if you buy higher quality/designer, you are going to be able to resell it if you don't like it anymore because it's value holds through time. All this to say, shop vintage and thrift, develop your own style instead of depending on fast fashion brands to dictate what you'll be wearing in the upcoming season, and educate people on the positives and negatives.

[@kennypaige]

I know this is an older video. However, I want you to know I love that you are talking about this type of creator. I have unfollowed a lot of creators who promote this type of shopping. The fashion industry is the 2nd largest Polluter in the world; there are a ton of people who do not know about the impact of their shopping habits. I was 100% one of them, I would buy fast fashion all the time when in my late teens. It is sad to look back on the wasteful sending and damage I have done to the environment. I think an interesting idea would be to put a fact label on every garment to see the footprint you're creating on the environment when you buy this piece of clothing. This fact label would be similar to fast food companies having to put out the Nutritional table of the caloric value of each food item. Just super cool video and appreciate you.

[@DrewJoiner]

❤️

[@ivarjong3963]

Such a great video, keep it going

[@kathleensiemion5108]

I think someone who buys fast fashion because they are not at a point in their life where they can afford more expensive '' slow fashion'' clothes but then holds on to their fast fashion clothes and does their best to repair and maintain them is different from someone who goes off and buys a massive shein haul that they are quickly going to throw out. One could be someone doing the best they can within their individual economic circumstances, but the other is just waste.

[@DrewJoiner]

I agree

[@gabrieldominguez4891]

Devan complaining about fast fashion while promoting it is absolutely hilarious

[@_yosh_101]

Post vid vid gang!! 1. The shorts are cool, but I really like the 15-30 min vids 2. Fast, working, exciting

[@DrewJoiner]

Exciting because of what?

[@_yosh_101]

@@DrewJoiner well I started the year off by getting my license, got my first job, started my vintage business. a lot of great stuff!! LOL

[@DrewJoiner]

@@_yosh_101 congrats man!!

[@JustineTalania]

yes I do think uniqlo is a fast fashion brand but their marketing and like their aesthetics feels like they are not. idk lol but I buy my basics like shirts from them.

[@eric36518708]

I feel like your being bias somewhat, I’m trying to get away from fast fashion but it’s hard as a father of three to not only buy clothes for myself but my kids and wife. I think it’s a place for fast fashion. I believe both had good points and you can’t say you don’t like replicated clothing but supposed replicated shoes from obra. Love the video just my opinion.

[@DrewJoiner]

Yeah I can't argue with that, I still think the video shines some light on what happens behind the scenes. I am not perfect and I would never judge anyone for what they do with their money or their time. I appreciate the comment it is important!

[@IntellectualNPC]

Always an interesting topic

[@DrewJoiner]

Indeed

[@TheTap323]

While Resellers have had an influence on thrift shops I still find it to be the most easiest way to find cheap clothing. And while sometimes I won’t find anything I just accept that it wasn’t meant to be. Personally I love the thrill of the hunt rather than to impulse buy on a website.

[@籃寥]

1:27: I would definitely quote you on this in some essay if I ever wrote one

[@skyer0cks]

I live In a country where the majority of imported fashion pieces are mass produced. Quality and high-end brands are available but they generally cost an arm and a leg. My country doesn't have the vintage clothing culture and there's a stigma around buying used clothes. This is slowly changing, teens like myself are finding value in used clothes. But right now, we don't have many choices when it comes to fashion. I feel stuck. . .

[@eldridgecoutinho2674]

Gucci used to produce in low-cost countries too...only recently started producing in Italy. Not because they care but mainly so they can reduce the time to market

[@jonathanpforr3844]

Every brand low or high money is #1 on all their minds thats a fact

[@DrewJoiner]

truly

[@Dc_Macho]

It’s funny watching this drama go down. This didn’t need to happen but it’s fun watching it

[@hawktalon7890]

Great video! I've been looking into fast fashion for a paper I have to do for school. :)

[@hawktalon7890]

Also, in terms of the "do you buy fast fashion" question - I do, but not firsthand. And I try to limit my spending as much as possible + will comb through my closet every 5-7 years and donate what I've decided I genuinely don't need. Unfortunately I need clothing other than workwear for formal events, and that's mostly what is available in the thrift shops around here.

[@zamoraarchive4224]

Those are super nice shoes on your left side man may I ask what exact colorway are they? Also great video!

[@Theis_P]

The problem with labeling something fast fashion is that the meaning of the word have change in the start fast fashion just meaned that the brand had 52 Collection so a new one every week but now days fast fashion more means pumping out clothes of a lower quality, stilling designes and only thing about the bottom line

[@salkamaria]

Super late to this discussion but idc here are my thoughts: I went through a bit of an “identity crisis” about a year ago after moving to a big city. I come from a small town where fashion wasn’t something I really took too seriously but I was then heavily judged in the city by the people I was around. I realise now that they were judgemental assholes but anyway… So I got rid of about 85% of my wardrobe and tried to replace everything in my “new style” with fast fashion. I regret most of the shit I bought simply because, well, they’re made from cheap material so even if it’s a style I like it’s still gonna look a bit crap. I didn’t care one bit for those clothes, as soon as I was bored of them or they started falling apart I just got rid of them. I had no love for my clothes. This was about a year ago but now I like to invest in clothes that I really like and want and I have SO much more love for them. I feel like showing them off all the time and I’m proud of owning them. So yeah, fast fashion sucks.

[@ozudelic]

Also if people is not educated in fashion and don't know how to shop and develop an eye for what they truly need and they're core taste (that's is often hidden like a super between layers) .They will always be in that endless cycle of buying stuff they don't need, no matter the prices, no matter if it's high brand or not. As an artist I see a lot of uneducated people on that field, people who never developed an eye, who is not on that never ending search of new sensations. I think is the same goes for fashion, we need to cultivate that curious spirit almost like it's contagious.

[@nikimizi3696]

Every(most) company is producing in cheap labor countries like China or Bangladesh. Both Nike, high fashion brands, and fast fashion brands. You're not changing the world because you spend 10x more on a t-shirt that has been made in the factory next to the one producing clothes for H&M. You're paying more for design and marketing it's not going to the factory workers xd. Stop pretending that you're making a good change if you buy any stuff made in third-world countries. If you're not buying clothes made in your own developed country, where you know that workers get a fair minimum wage you're not making any difference.

[@TGCid01]

This. I've never heard a viable solution on how to actually make significant change around the climate of fast fashion, just a lot of virtue signaling. Different classes of wealth, accessibility, the fact that companies have a bottom line.. all these things play into why there is no viable solution to swing things away from excessive waste, worker exploitation, etc. The extremely small scale change of VERY select few individuals deciding to no longer support fast fashion brands is akin to the every day person using metal straws -- it virtually does nothing. It truly is incumbent upon the brands and companies to no longer utilize those business practices, but why would they do that when their one (and usually only) priority is profit? That's what 99.9999% of businesses are created for. And like you said, even bigger brands are in on it as well. All in the name of maximizing profit. So now what?

[@galen.g126]

Although I hate fast fashion, I feel like the definition from the wiki was a bit biased. I feel like it should’ve left out all the negative stuff and said something like “but the negative outcome is...”. But then again it’s always good to inform people to make them conscious of what they’re buying. Edit- yes, I believe uniqlo is fast fashion but since its clothing is more basic and uniform with occasional statement pieces they get a pass. For example, you could shop at uniqlo once’s a year and buy their basics like an Oxford shirt or a crew neck t shirt, and then the following year you head into uniqlo and you’ll see the exact same selection as last years, so there’s really no need to buy the same pieces again. You can compare that to a company like Zara, a company that follows trends, their selection will change almost every season. Yes, I know uniqlo does follow trends occasionally but they’re a company that sells basics and essentials for a decent price point and good quality. Yes, I used to shop at uniqlo religiously but after a long period of time I acquired a bunch of earth toned t shirts, long sleeves and socks, I stopped. Ever since that day I haven’t purchased a single thing because I don’t need to and the pieces I bought 2-3 years ago are still in my rotation.

[@lambofunny]

Uniqlo is fast fashion. Why people recommend uniqlo if you really need to shop fast fashion is because their pieces are basics which means you tend not to throw them out after one season of wear.

[@koala5992]

It's really weird to see that the average a person throws away is so high since I know no one who throws that much away so there must be a few people throwing everything they own away every month

[@Ransompie1]

This was a super powerful video man 👊🏽✨ Post vid gang! Yeah I had a really tough year but I have made some really great memories this year with friends and family, it’s just for a while I’ve been to sad to post any videos or music or anything creative but I’m definitely getting in a better mindset from reading, praying, and meditating. That definitely wasn’t three words lol

[@brunonjezic6208]

When I just started too work and do langue course I just didnt have money so even 15e for jeans from fast fasion on sale appeard as a challenge. And I needed them for work. With time after filling basics and learning the language in new country i could save up for each garment at the time and develop my wardrobe full of nice calculated stuff that last. I still incorporate the stuff from my beginnings in my style. Those things i repaired so they look actually really unicqe and im happy to put them in the mix thoug i dont shop there any more

[@itsjustdorian8927]

In the last two years I’ve bought one thing from h&m and it’s from the conscious collection(after watching not sure if that matters). I buy a bunch of Nike/Jordan sneakers and some Nike workout gear. I could def do better. I thrift as well but could do more. I’m going to try to clean it up a bit moving forward… downloading Depop today.

[@fardinkarim]

No idk why but usually don’t consider Uniqlo as fast fashion probably cos their quality is good

[@commedicgarcon]

In my opinion uniqlo isnt really fast fashion. The thing that makes them different from other established fast fashion brands is that they are rather invested in basics not conforming to trends. I would say their items aren't priced dirt cheap like other brands, and are of a reasonable price to the point where you are certain that there is enough for those who are making it have a fair wage. On top of that they have set up clothing recycling initiatives way before all these other brands had "sustainable lines". The quality of the clothing is also another factor that contributes to less waste. Their pretty good quality, on average i would say an average uniqlo item can comfortably last in my wardrobe for 5 years before i discard them. The only factor that makes them fast fashion is their screen printed lines which they kinda over do... But besides that the uniqlo U line is really solid

[@zeqtra]

I buy expensive brands just cause they have value to them even after wearing them, fast fashion just has the looks but it’s money completely gone because the clothes don’t hold any value

[@Flash-mx4km]

Big ups to this video!!

[@Nina.playdead]

I avoid fast fashion, just not easy finding brands.

[@bph9056]

You need a balance of both and tbh I find both as bad as each other at times. It’s hard to wrap your head around but the prices some high end brands charge is ludicrous My advice is be knowledgeable don’t buy clothes off instinct. Buy what matches your style and what you can afford which means don’t buy everything that’s cheap. Occasionally splash out on something you really like. Just be smart. Find what your style is. Buy what you like and what suits you. Check different brands quality pricing and ethos and just build your knowledge.

[@zarebonds6085]

I don’t consider Uniqlo fast fashion. If they’re considered fast fashion then that’s the standard we should be holding other fast fashion at

[@coolatta1]

buy what you can buy. overconsumption, is something that should be addressed imo. yes, in my opinion uniqlo is fast fashion

[@Clout_Strife]

The thing that kinda bugs me so much about this discussion is that there's so much emphasis put on fast fashion and working/middle class people to feel bad about this, but we don't ever speak on if all high fashion is ethically produced? Like I always hear about a lot of high fashion and fast fashion clothing sometimes coming from the same places, but we're never given examples and it feels like no one ever looks into this aspect of the conversation.

[@DrewJoiner]

you're so right I think - High Fashion is just as bad as Fast Fashion in a lot of ways it is a conversation that also needs to be had

[@Clout_Strife]

@@DrewJoiner Yeah at the end of the day everything we do can be traced back to something with some sort of ill intent yada yada no such thing as ethical consumption you know the deal lol. It's one of many important convos that should've been in constant rotation a long time ago for sure here's to hoping we can all come together for something greater.

[@DrewJoiner]

@@Clout_Strife ahh man, I hope we can, who knows - seems hopeless sometimes

[@smallgus585]

i have not bought from fast fashion for the past three years ever since i saw the impacts on people and the enviroment

[@mccheki1070]

Post vid gang: Don't really care about shorts we have ig for that 2021: Planing Work Chill

[@evanhoroszko3105]

Hey Drew or anyone else interested, If you want to see how people in the textile industry have been affected by fast fashion, I would recommend learning more about the Dhaka building collapse in 2013. One of the most atrocious things to happen in fashion as many global brands associated with this workshop turned a blind eye to the terrible working conditions all in the name of making profit. It makes you think about how companies have become so out of touch as humans suffer and they stand by just watching.

[@DrewJoiner]

Yup that building collapse was horrible I think it really sparked the conversation about what is going on with the production of our clothing

[@xSmythosx]

for some, fast fashion is one of the only options. i know it often can be for me even though i try my absolute hardest to avoid it, but poverty can really limit what you can get. i definitely thrift or buy second hand whenever i can but sometimes i have to go to walmart or target for basics. i also lose it every time i hear statistics about how much clothing americans throw away. i’m not even sure if i own 80+ lbs of clothing and i literally only throw out underwear and socks - everything else gets donated or reused as like rags or patches. are people really just like throwing away perfectly usable clothing?? it’s so easy to just drop stuff off at donation points, im in rural america and there’s still drop off boxes and churches everywhere

[@eugene.949]

If we support these “fast fashion” companies it really contributes to waste and ultimately harms our environment on the other side if they go out of business, we can’t deny that these businesses employs significant number of people who only rely on their salaries for a living. I think that fast fashion companies should really put more effort on developing ways or technology to be able to recycle and reuse garments. I know some are doing it but would be more impactful if everyone would adopt it as a standard.

[@isavalla1935]

Super important video for sure - post vid gang let’s gooo

[@DrewJoiner]

LETS GOOO ISA

[@benilobo5149]

Drew doesn’t miss 🔥

[@justnada6328]

Uniqlo is definitely fast fashion - my daily clothes revolves around the uniqlo sales section. I stopped buying H&M and equivalent brands in 2019 and I have been way more conscious and deliberate with my purchases when it comes to clothes. A big question for me is what are the ethics of buying the final sale/clearance products of say uniqlo. I will take pair of trousers that don't fit me and get them tailored and run them down until they give out. As I do think the majority of larger affordable brands have ties with fast fashion ideals, if the brand allows you to use that item for many times and you are able to use and reuse it for a while, then I think it is okay to buy from a fast fashion or equivalent brand.

[@fabianklw]

I stopped buying fast fashion like 4 years ago cause I was sick and tired of buying stuff that break down after a couple wears