The Fastest AMD APU Mini PC We've Ever Built! Small Foot Print iGPU Power

[@Tatoebot]

Fastest ever literally every mini pc KZbin builder

[@jfespinoza02]

LITERALLY!!! not Figuratively, but actually LITERALLY?

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

@@jfespinoza02 as usual after all the glowing nice words ill went home still using pocket money to buy things

[@wkcecil123]

So many devices that are the fastest ever!

[@BreadBox42]

“THE FASTEST MINI PC YET!”

[@longlostleaf]

Tech improves everyday, life is good.

[@thegamerfe8751]

Yeah no, they aren't releasing new APUs and components for this kind of stuff every day, he just picks and chooses what he likes and makes a video about it. If the build in this video is the fastest then it means previous videos that are one to two weeks old titled the same way are quite literal lies because the components have been available for a bit.

[@dylanallen7720]

Yall get so mad about his titles its hilarious!

[@nikytamayo]

Fastest *AMD APU Mini PC* he's ever built. Not fastest ever. You guys are getting boring. But engagement boosts views, so... well... knock yourselves out.

[@nfcerick3634]

We need to put you in a SkyReach 4 TINY case. You'll love it!

[@Fender178]

I am very impressed that this mini APU PC was able to boot with 8000MT/s RAM installed because faster ram makes rigs throw a bit of a fit. Some post and boot up into Windows but its unstable and others boot into Windows and it is Stable and and after enabling the 8000MT/s on the RAM the PC doesn't post at all or it is unstable after booting into Windows.

[@jordanmntungwa3311]

APUs benefit from faster RAM

[@Fender178]

@@jordanmntungwa3311 True maybe they have a different kind of memory controller vs the non G CPUs since they take advantage of faster RAM and it was 2 sticks of RAM that Eta had installed not 4 which also plays a part in stability.

[@acid3129]

I'm still amazed when I see an APU doing this my first pc had an a8 6600k with a HD6450 IGPU and even new it struggled with anything newer than half life 2 I stuck a dedicated hd 6450 in and forced crossfire just so I could play stuff like 7d2d with my brother

[@scott8833]

you can increase the vram allocated to the iGPU in AMD's adrenaline software, I have a laptop with a 7940HS and while I was planning my new room setup I was planning on running a 4k monitor off of my iGPU (to leave my dedicated gpu for my gaming monitor) so I upgraded my ram from 16 to 48GB to allocate anywhere from 4 to 8gb to vram for my iGPU and it didnt do it automatically. I looked around in AMD's adrenaline software and found that if you go to the "performance" tab, and then the subtab of "tuning" there is an option called "memory optimizer" when I changed this setting I went from the 448MB of dedicated GPU memory to 4GB of dedicated GPU memory for the iGPU when i had the 48GB installed. When I had the 16GB installed it allocated 2GB to VRAM so ig it automatically decides what to allocate, but hey its better than 448MB.

[@jordanmntungwa3311]

AMD needs to release the Ryzen 7 8700G X3D. Can you imagine an APU with 3D cache

[@stevenknight95]

they wont, i guess the 8000G APU is the last apu amd will release or the next gen just rebranding the APU like previous version. AMD now focus on maximize their profit on enterprise market. soon they will give up on diy market.

[@Riko_KP]

What the hell are you talking about? 😂

[@spawnkeeper999]

@@stevenknight95 and how did you come up with this assumption?

[@not_so_native_native]

​​@@stevenknight95umm no, amd has an apu road map till end of 2025. From strix point(mid 2024-end) expectimg based on the internal memo leakes, is zen 5 and rdn 3.5 up to 16 CUs then in 2025 expecting strix halo, that was leaked to have up to 40 CUs. With rda 3.5 or 4 its unknown. But amd will never give up its APU game, they doo too much development for big companies that they can just trickle it down to consumer PC's. Also its Amds only way to compete with Nvidia, by cutting of Nvidias legs. Why do we need an rtx 3050, if amds apu is a little more expensive but you got it built in to the cpu. The current 780m in the 8700g is on par with 3050 mobile, yet the whole cpu package uses 65w when just the 3050 uses as much power

[@MrBrandonLau]

@@stevenknight95that sounds like something intel or nvidia would do, not AMD

[@rael_gc]

I'm missing in the Final Thoughts, the graphic with max watt, temps and noise.

[@johnjakson444]

A PC build I'd like to build is a Borg Cube, prob 8" or 200mm cubed, the metal sheilding would have vent holes in very random patterns with green led lighting

[@Mocker-you]

Just bought all the rig today . I"m anxious to receive in two days . I will let you to know the results soon . Thank you

[@ihabhachamy1446]

How is it?

[@Whiteshade]

@@ihabhachamy1446 Eta was playing 1080p with fsr set to performance it means it is 540p actually. And FSR doesn't scale well with low resolution, it is fine with 4k quality, which is 1440p. How can it be? For real usage it is so bad I wouldn't even reccommend to my enemy. For youtube, it is a fun content to watch.

[@HapPawhere]

@@Whiteshade Steamdeck and ROG Ally did that btw

[@summonedskull7767]

Do you no longer do emulation? I have noticed (could just be me) that you haven't done emulation in a while when you showcase some of these new builds. I am a huge fan of emulation and love to see the demos.

[@marccaracal7443]

A cheaper and less powerfull CPU with a cheap dedicated GPU will give you better gaming performance than this 8700G with a very fast and expensive RAM for the same price. Of course, it will need a bigger case. Though, this APU is quite impressive.

[@n0h4ndl3]

Yeah, I really fell in love with the idea of an SFF build using one of these APUs back when he did the 5700G in a Chopin case, but the more I looked at it and compared it against even things like the low profile rx6400 build, there's just no comparison. Twice the performance for a fraction of the cost. I'm certain these APUs have a use case and I'm still very happy they exist, but I don't think "small gaming PC" is it any longer.

[@FilthEffect]

12400f and an intel Galaxy a380 6gb is around £220 combined. Insane value for light gaming

[@protivationsrtcartel2360]

facts. just add a cheap a580 or something price similar

[@stephenxs8354]

Or any 780m mini pc which would be smaller and 90+% the performance of this. Why it impressive when we have seen so many 780m results already. The Desktop APU is only slightly better at stock and you have to use some seriously overpriced RAM to get any significant benefit over mini pc perf.

[@stephenxs8354]

@@n0h4ndl3 Can't wait for anyone to show me a reasonable use case for the 8xxx desktop apus at current pricing.

[@a9udn9u-vanced]

This is genuinely the fastest APU out there so the title is fine.

[@rohitjagan2976]

Hi ETA prime, loving your videos so far, kindly make a ram scaling video for 8700G detailing how the performance scales with the RAM speed

[@Amp5150]

APU's are so close to being there

[@stephenxs8354]

This is already a year old tech.

[@aboriginalmang]

​@@stephenxs8354 nah its an almost 30 year old tech, it started with intel's i740 based motherboard iGPU in the late 90s

[@gogogagagugu2134]

IMO they already are there, the fact that you can get these games to comfortable framerates on low settings without a GPU is already super impressive, and they're only gonna get better

[@si4632]

Still think a Xbox series s is better value lol much better

[@aboriginalmang]

@@gogogagagugu2134 we already could do that back when ryzen 2200G was launched for $100. APUs are just getting more expensive nowadays.

[@jasonhemphill8525]

Emulation performance?

[@Karti200]

You could make it even smaller - just use a PicoPSU and poof - case will be in size of just mITX motherboard

[@justinpatterson5291]

So this is kinda like a 7940HS on desktop wattage and given super fast memory. Nice.

[@IronmanProblems]

Exactly that. It's upsetting that these are being marketed like some new thing when it's 1.5x the price of buying a beelink ser7 for ~5% the performance differential

[@sc9433]

If you mess with the ram timings, u can squeeze another 20-30% more fps out of the iGpu. 8000mhz + ram timing tweaks = godlike performance for radeon780m. Something only the desktop variant can achieve. 7840hs is for too restricted.

[@IronmanProblems]

@sc9433 where are you getting 8000 mhz ram that will last at that speed? And what motherboard is supporting it for a reasonable price? The answer is you are not. You might as well buy literally any modern GPU at that point.

[@slothnium]

8000Mhz RAM is like 2x the price of 6400Mhz for the same capacity... You can squeeze in a dGPU if you go with 6000Mhz and a AM5 CPU.

[@dim3nt0]

@@IronmanProblems i dont like the price either but its wildly more reliable, can be pushed harder, cooled more effectively, basicaly better in every way but size

[@azjeep]

Why does task manager show 2 of 4 sticks used? that motherboard allow for oc memory?

[@andrewvickers4487]

Great video! As a DIY newbie I'm interested in comparing the cost-effectiveness of SFF iGPU builds like these with the plethora of mini pcs we have now, i.e. upgradeability of DIY vs buying multiple mini pcs over the next decade say.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

its always been good choice for mass buying/usage, such as offices, schools, game center etc since like amd fx apus liano

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

now its also great for aestethic build for those only watch videos or listen to music, or just want a nice looking pc set, whats best still can game

[@chickenwings8848]

It would be nice if you put the weight of the setups in your next videos especially for those small sized setups.

[@ArouzedLamp]

Do you think the apu would benefit from having 4x sticks of ram, much like a ton of the cpus on am4? I know a ton of 7000 cpus are/were having problems with four sticks.

[@SpoonHurler]

Not with the current ddr5 ram cause motherboards and the memory controllers on the CPUs are geared to do it. High end AM5 motherboards might have the trace paths for it though and you could get a stronger imc on your chip but there are no guarantees

[@88-bit-tech]

Awesome little build! Crazy performance with an apu! I'm curious to see what the difference would be if you used 4800 MT/s RAM. I haven't seen many videos compare the lowest vs highest ddr5 with APU's. Also slight correction, Helldivers 2 does not have FSR. It uses it's own render scaling that is terrible compared to fsr or dlss

[@Rexolaboy]

Fabio Fabrisco has a video on ddr5 tuning for the am5 specifically for IGPUs that I think you should watch. Ddr5 6400 tuned is faster than 8000mt without tuning usually.

[@SpoonHurler]

I was just about to ask about this cause 6400 is the max for 1:1 gear ratio. At worst the tuned 6400 would have improved 1% lows and faster latency.

[@physxme]

That's great you can get the board for 130, where I live this costs about 193 in USD.

[@ArtemisKitty]

Yeah, I noticed right away that was the only item he DIDN'T list in the hardware links... NE seems to have it for 140USD though. So not that bad. Free shipping from the United States as well. (I guess they're covering the VAT and customs. Not gonna complain.)

[@KtotheL]

i like it, but ill continue to wait. thanks

[@Scooter30FTW]

I figured that RAM would be expensive,but 300 bucks? Wow!

[@AlwaysExtraCrispy]

This is where the handhelds like the Ally and Legion GO shine. You can't build an equivalent system (in terms of performance and form factor) for less.

[@stephenxs8354]

How does handhelds even come into discussion about a desktop.

[@AlwaysExtraCrispy]

@@stephenxs8354 Ally and LeGO use Z1 Extreme APUs. There's no point in building a mini desktop for this price otherwise - just get a gaming laptop if you want small form factor ...you're still gonna need a keyboard and mouse and screen anyways...

[@Bob_Smith19]

@@stephenxs8354They don’t. People see to forget that PCs are used for more than games. More people use them for production tasks than gaming.

[@HapPawhere]

They can if AMD want to do it like converting handhelds apu into desktop consumer version

[@razakaze]

I don’t get it.. why not only test max settings.. 1080p at max or an old PC with dedicated will beat it for a lower price

[@kert1842]

Genuine question, why use stock cooler when you can get coolers like IDcooling is55? Or other low profile cooler.

[@LucasWildTheeWildBoy]

Does this case work ok with single slot GPU cards like the AMD 6400?

[@tkyage]

Big ups for testing Helldivers 2

[@Loco_Banana]

How much does this weight? Planning to build 1 for out of country trips so I need to consider weight for baggage.

[@megatar3]

This is awesome! I’ve been looking for a mini build small enough to travel easily with that can still play some less intensive games like CS2. This would be perfect! A GPU would make it just slightly too big

[@megatar3]

I’m going to buy the same RAM as my full size build, so if it’s not enough for this build, I can still use it to double the ram on my desktop

[@joshuascholar3220]

I would have liked to see some better quality settings. Like turn FSR off or to Quality.

[@notmatt5864]

an apevia power supply......really? Those are known to blow and take the whole pc with them. You should never consider a psu made by this brand.

[@tonyd7164]

Came here to say this. I had one fry in a week. Never again! You can get a seasonic 300 watt flex atx psu for 92 bucks and is quality. My current ryzen 8700G has a seasonic flex psu in it. Have seen 204 watts at max load in a stress test.

[@SpoonHurler]

Come on A-Pray-Via isn't that bad 😂😂😂😂

[@ricky1000]

It depends on the rating you can use psu teir list to check your apevia psu

[@SpoonHurler]

@@ricky1000 This is true and every company has poor performing PSUs even my personal favorite Corsair. I don't think this Apevia one is bad for this build because total system will be like 200w at peak, if that.

[@ccricers]

@@tonyd7164 FPS is also pretty good with their flex power supplies

[@mrshinobigaming8447]

Minisforum hx100G It has 6650 as gpu

[@2per9999]

8:53 That gpu power at 88 watts, is that different from the cpu power that consumes 65 watts?or is that the total watts of igpu and cpu?

[@mauricioleonardo5871]

nice, try retrobat with it !!!

[@technicianscott9245]

How does it handle emulation? Whats the generation limit?

[@jeofthevirtuoussand]

and yet, if devs actually managed to code sampler feedback streaming and the full mesh shading pipeline , the performance would be way higher , optimization

[@elvendragonhammer5433]

Good devs also make full use of occlusion & scene culling- so if from the player's viewpoint, you can't see the backside of a building, terrain, tree, etc, it doesn't waste time rendering it in the pipe & if it's needed again, most of the textures are already buffered in ram from rendering the front & one side of the object. Nanite is also a great help with making iterative objects (like trees, stationary landscapes) while keeping the CPU/GPU load much lower than it would be conventionally.

[@UnusualYT1189]

What can I do to replace the power supply 😅😅😅

[@ipoopmuffins]

I’m surprised a base 620 board supported 8000mhz ram, that’s awesome

[@kimutone2970]

can you do one compared slow ram vs fast ram on these APUs?

[@valfanculo4614]

are those 3.0 usb ports in the front of the case ?

[@kaczan3]

I'll build it so my computer is easier to steal when someone breaks into my house.

[@Reggie1Telequido]

Do you sell that build?

[@KAYMEER]

Might as well use a HDPlex PSU and a 4060 Low Profile in a different case of the same volume

[@yanushkowalsky1402]

Which case

[@joemarais7683]

⁠​⁠@@yanushkowalsky1402custom_mod SL3. $160 with riser included, 3 Liters, and you can get it in any color you want. Lazer3D HT5. As big as this case, and more readily available.

[@catsspat]

I love small computers! In fact, most of my computers are small to tiny. Only two are biggy: a TrueNAS server and a gaming build.

[@Nektopoulo]

I see a vert slot, could you add a lower cooler and a LP video card on a riser?

[@firstman9273]

Is that a full install of Windows 10 for only $15 'all in' price?

[@Crustenscharbap]

90W stock cooler at 68°C seems great.

[@YuNherd]

Please add decent cooling and revisit this, will be interesting if the numbers change, thanks

[@Redsing_ART]

hey what think about using hd-plex psu it can help significantly reduce case volume

[@rtamayo004]

Can you do a video on the 8700G on Batocera?

[@DonItaluca]

Dommage que asrock ne permette pas de modifier dans le bios la taille de la ram alloué pour la petite vidéo 😢

[@alexcruz8024]

Did you try overclocking it? I've seen them push it to 3200 Mhz

[@JohnBraman413]

where did you get the power supply with black wires? all i find is the ugly wires.

[@Jfbegood2yourself]

Think this setup is overkill for batocera?

[@gordong11]

I wish they would put an oculink port on some ITX motherboards.

[@maccagrabme]

Whats that?

[@randomxaos]

You didn't mention the max speed of the SSD. Is this important?

[@ferreiros1987]

Hi, could you please try out Star Citizen on that rig on 1080p

[@DonItaluca]

Hello, pas de coil whine audible sur cette carte mere, car la asus rog strix en a regulierement.? Merci

[@MaartenOtto]

Would like to see MSFS over NYC on this one as well as Virtual Pinball X with the Leprechaun King or Spongebob table.

[@2641kcarson]

Hi. Are you able to build this and offer it for sale?

[@Mirror576]

Why isn't there a link to the motherboard?

[@necotots]

Could you try to use the single-slot RTX A2000 that you modified recently?

[@megatar3]

Listing for the case says it can fit a gpu with a thickness up to 25mm…are there even any gpu’s that thin??

[@thetruejay20]

It's this the "B650I Lightning WiFi"?

[@backbenchers9282]

does this case support graphics card?

[@mr.dilanger]

Was that the same memory in the 8600g build? If it is good grief it went up in price!

[@GUCFan]

Really hope we can achieve GPU-less VR at some point. Even if its just to build a PC meant to run Beat Saber, it would be amazing to play VR titles with such a small PC.

[@noahosmond3154]

Can't wait for Strix Halo!

[@S.S.S.S770]

Can a low profile RTX Graphic card in it and will it work and coolings gonna be fine ?

[@keibohow69]

whats the max refresh rate that can be had with this apu?

[@douglasmurphy3266]

Since your APU has limited performance, but access to as much memory as you allocate, can't you turn textures all the way up to max even if your other settings are low?

[@deher9110]

Just a note, you say itx mobos are expensive but on aliexpress there are pretty cheap(around 100$) itx mobos for both amd and intel

[@saintjohnny45]

everything is cheaper on aliexpress...

[@Bob_Smith19]

That’s $30 cheaper thanAmazon. It’s not worth the risk. He was pointing out that their price is expensive compared to ATX.

[@ukphitau97]

is the 32GB of RAM really necessary?

[@eskimolost2012]

so adding the single slot a380 be less powerful than 8700g?

[@Neopulse00]

5:25 - Yeah, I'm used to seeing those ugly "ketchup and mustard" cables when using FSP and other Flex psus. 8:30 - Oh snap 4,125?! Didn't think it'd surpass 3,400.

[@am_ma]

I wished that you test those games with higher settings and lower resolutions meaning better quality settings because some of those games didn't look like what the game graphics should be like Cyberpunk77.

[@JohnWilliams-gy5yc]

If your problem is not a confined space or portability, spending money for 8000 MTS ram to achieve "low" graphics doesn't really make any sense.

[@adamgaming5693]

hello, I've already seen your tests of mini itx and mini pc, what would you choose between 8700g or mini pc 8845hs, what are your opinions on these two sets cpu? Thanks

[@GamerForEvaa]

Can you send another link for the power supply please? It just sends me to a case on Amazon and I can’t find that psu anywhere online!

[@robertnazareno8841]

I thought the 8700G can only use DDR5-5200 max?

[@i_am_dhrubo_31]

Actually i have a question can i use rx 7700xt or rx 7800xt GPUs in the future

[@pawnslinger1]

How about hi-end emulation- Lbox and ps3, xbox360??

[@QuentinStephens]

How does this compare to the single slot A380?

[@justinhalen2126]

What you can also do to make the most out of these iGPUs is (assuming you have 32GB of Ram) put the settings to the lowest (or maybe just use antialiasing and 16x AF) and then use ultra textures since technically you have 16GB of Vram. The games will look way better.... I'm not sure if there is a performnce pentalty for doing this on an igpu, but i dont think its significant.

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

No performance penalty for textures as long as they don't start spilling into system ram due to lack of vram.

[@blaster-vv8so]

I bought that same case in black about a month ago and love it but it seemed hard to install the motherboard i had to remove front io

[@Stifle9]

Just finished a similar build in a 2.1L (LLW V21pro ) case. Pico PSU with LOF225-20B12 AC-DC unit for brickless power. 8600G, 6000mhz CL30 DDR5, Gigabyte A620 ITX, Thermalright AXP90 X36 cooler, Sk hynix 1tb m.2. Gonna wait for a used 8700G to come around and for high speed ram to get cheaper. Haven't had any problems, one of my favorite tiny builds.

[@midsbv8960]

how is the temp of the cpu in idle and full load? i have a v21pro lying around and planning to put 8600g or 8700g on it but im a bit hesistant because of temps. I was planning on selling it and settle to at least a v26pro (wanted to keep the size as small as possible) if the temps is going to be an issue. thanks

[@Stifle9]

@@midsbv8960 I just installed a trio of 5010 exhaust fans because I had them on hand, almost ready to do some stress testing as I have only just gotten the parts together and OS installed. if you can remind me by replying to this comment in a week or so I should have some data to share

[@Stifle9]

@@midsbv8960 I have a V21pro, V26 pro(not used) and a V36pro that I have as my daily. They are great little cases

[@midsbv8960]

@@Stifle9 oh no worries im still not yet close in buying the parts, so im not really in a hurry. i also have 3 5010 fans so im curious on what temps you will get. anyway ill probablly just comment you here in a week or two if its ok. thanks in advance!

[@midsbv8960]

@@Stifle9 hi! just wondering if theres any update on this? thanks!

[@estefanocampoverde3660]

Would it be better with an RX 6400?

[@zadekeys2194]

With AM4 and most games, lower latency ram (CL14 with 2666mhz) delivers the same performance as CL16 3600mhz ram. It would be interesting to see how the iGPu performs if you tighten the timings of it's Ddr5 :)

[@PeteSaJut6499]

Think I could fit the Wraith spire cooler on the A09? This case is 20mms and the A09 is only 89mms in width

[@goldiluckx]

how did u overclock this using the amd a620i

[@klem5]

would like some higher quality presets on cyberpunk tested

[@upsidediy3945]

Somewhere out theres a wii steering wheel and accessories bundle, that can use this computer and my wii.

[@Valcrist37]

I have a very VERY old PC (like 10 yaers old) that is clearly struggling to play aything that is not a simple 2d indie game. I mostly use it for work and playing FF XIV, but due to the upcoming graphcis engine update I am fairly sure I won't be able to run it at all, so I've been considering switching to a mini PC. I've heard ppl say that because of the size they tend to overheat if u sed for extended periods of time. How feasible is it to use something like this for, let's say, 12 continuous hours? Streaming to discord while playing? Using dual monitors?

[@PsiQ]

At this point to upgradefrom a 10 year old pc and not spend money i would suggest a refurbished hp or lenovo system with an i5 or better i7 in a normal case, not SFF, so you can use a standard pci-e gpu. The money you saved on the "older"system you can put into a gpu like a 4070ti, more ram or a pci-e to-nvme storage card, if sata3/ssd isnt fast enough for you. I personally use watercooling on every gpu but there are hybrid or more silent aircooled options now. - If you want to be win11 proof check for the TPM module upgrade or bios option..(or upgrade with a tpm workaround) The older i7 refurb stuff is below 200 bucks.

[@maccagrabme]

Are you talking about switching to a mini pc like beelink etc or building a mini itx based pc?

[@jaysonmagbanua2669]

Can i buy that ? how can i buy your mini pc build so amazing

[@krazycharlie]

Emulation test, please! Thanks in advance!