The Fate of Austrian Galicia

[@jack60091]

My Ukrainian grandparents left Galicia in 1910 for the USA. They meet on a boat coming to the USA. My grandmother never became a citizen. Yet she had class and introduced me to classical music. She was a devout Catholic and loving grandmother. I wake up and thank God for being born in the USA.

[@nancydann6338]

My Granfather as well! Last name of Grandpa was Moroch and Grandma's name was Sydoriak. I have found the Morman ancestry sight amazingly helpful. I just found the family trees that we have never known about!

[@nancydann6338]

So my family was from Galice, Austria at that time!

[@yungoleinik]

Lucky for you hahaha my grandparents come to Brazil 😅

[@colestevenosky7207]

My great-great-grandfather emigrated from Galicia to America during the 1865 famine. Thank you for this video as it is difficult to find videos about this region.

[@lemkowithhistory]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@SIE3114]

my great great grandmother moved to america during WW1 from galicia!

[@grahamhayden8969]

Mine too.

[@genghis_connie]

@@SIE3114Did their entry papers say Galicia or Poland (or other)? I’m glad they made it here.

[@merikaskirko3389]

My father, born in this region in 1919 told me stories told to him by his father of exactly these kinds of conditions. My grandfather went to work in the US but returned to fight in the Austrian army in the first world war. I could never quite understand that, except that he longed for his homeland, and apparently made enough money in the United States to support the family. Thank you for this.

[@kaladore6798]

You have ukrainian surname! Skirko

[@brunodrivel2487]

I was born in Odessa and left during Soviet times for the west as a 7 year old. I still dream of the fields and smell of spring there. In all my travels over the years I really want to go home and die there. Home is home.

[@adamhercia3243]

@@brunodrivel2487 I've never been there but my family came from there I don't belong here in Canada I don't fit in and I'm abused by those who hold power. I'm trying to get myself in order and I will try to go fight in Ukraine in hopes I can see the village we came from atleast once.

[@brunodrivel2487]

@@adamhercia3243i understand totaly ive felt an accepted racisim my entire life, as a kid in school i was treated as communist Slavic scum. I was punnished and forced to sing god save the queen alone in front of my school assembly on hundreds of occasions. Something that never goes away. I wore my grandmothers war medal one time on may 9th and was brutalised by teachers. A lot for a 4th grader to cope with. Any way stay out of the war. Its not what you think. I personaly dont think it can go much longer and from what im hearing in poland and russia there is a good chance westen ukraine will be annexed by poland with russias blessing. There is some dirty dealings going on and all i see is ukranians dieing for nothing. You might have to get used to calling yourself either ruthinian or Galitcian again. I was rased calling myself Odessan never called myself ukranian or russian. Just like crimeans and donbas. Weve always associated ourselves with our cities or regions rare some one would say ukrania. Most people in the west wouldnt have known where ukraine was anyway or even that it existed till feb this year or trump attackes on biden.

[@MiserableLittleDoomGoblin]

Thank you for this video. When researching my family I discovered that my great-grandparents immigrated from Galicia in the early 20th century and spoke Rusyn (according to the Census records). This helps to provide context to what they and their families experienced over a century ago.

[@TheAsmrAddict888]

Mine as well

[@genghis_connie]

Same. Mine came a bit earlier. Same. Well, My G-Grandmother’s entry states Aunt. Polish (her address is in Krakow), language Polish, and in another field reads Polish/Ruthenian. My grandfather came before her (they met in Chicago). His town was Glinick(?) and every field is Bohemian, including language. He later changed it to Czech on the Census.

[@drewminalga1375]

My maternal grandmother's parents were Slovaks from western Galicia. They came and created an amazing life for their children in Western Pennsylvania. I imagine most every day felt like heaven here.

[@lemkowithhistory]

There were no Slovaks in Western Galicia.

[@IhaveBigFeet]

@@lemkowithhistoryIf there are Slovaks in Serbia then it’s not impossible to think there were Slovaks in Galicia… on census would’ve probably been grouped with rusyns.

[@IhaveBigFeet]

@@lemkowithhistorySlovakia borders Galicia, and borders back then basically didn’t exist. There were definitely Slovak communities in Galicia.

[@Wokerr]

​​​@@IhaveBigFeetdokładnie ten teren był zamieszkiwany przez wiele narodowości z przewagą polską w miastach natomiast we wsiach ukraińską oprócz tego mieszkali jeszcze Węgry, Żydzi, Czesi, Słowacy tym co nie udało się uciec zginęli w rzeźni Wołyńskiej w latach 1943-1945 pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rze%C5%BA_wo%C5%82y%C5%84ska

[@elizabethmcguire1366]

I'm Polish and both sides of my family could be traced back to the region. My great grandma from Galicia never spoke about back home and I wonder if part of that is because of the history of the area. It's like they left that place and never looked back.

[@petermeade1551]

My grandmother and grandfather came from Galicia.

[@wpizdets2640]

My great grand father came from the same area, and apparently he was a right mean asshole lol. I don't blame him though, it seems as if not alot of history was passed on because nobody wanted to speak of it.

[@patriotpioneer]

@Elizabeth McGuire Then Maybe your not Polish but a Rusyn.....

[@genesamarian4278]

I believe my grandfather also came from this area. He came to Canada as a young man and had a bullet scar on his hand. He never said why he was shot only that he was. He was born 1896 and died 90 years old in 1986. I cannot wait to learn more.

[@foresstovs1134]

It might be because of the Volhynian Slaughter, when Ukrainian nationalists began murdering thousands of Polish people in the region. Those who survive either escaped themselves or were forced to resettle by the communist government as a part of Operation Wisła

[@wisahkecahk4053]

My great grand father is from this forgotten country-it is admirable that you put this very informative presentation together touching on so many good points.Hat is off for you good sir!.RESPECT!

[@aeiou-18]

a great documentary showing a way underlooked part of history , the habsburg empier and it s domains . Thank you for it

[@lser7554]

Thank you for this video. I didn't know my Grandmother or anyone else in her family. This gives me a gimps of what her family had gone thur and why her father worked so very hard, to bring some of his kids here to the US. THANK YOU

[@lemkowithhistory]

No problem, glad you enjoyed the video :)

[@carolinewolf565]

My Heritage! Stapaj. Interesting information. Thank you❤

[@avaritia0]

Super informative so glad you made this video since there isn't a whole lot of information about this region. My great grandparents immigrated to the US from here and I heard the region was really poor but didn't know it was this bad

[@ignominius3111]

My grandfather, Andriy Lech was from Brody and came to the United States in 1913. I am most proud of it.

[@nicky5683]

My ancestors were Ukrainians from a village named Żernica Wyżna in modern day Poland. Came to America at some point before 1890.

[@thomaspawlyszyn3128]

Another excellent and factual presentation. Good work as always!

[@steve4910]

My great Grandmother left Galicia in 1918 before the Ukraine Polish war. Some how her father arranged to have a church sponsor to come to the United States. She was only 15 years old when she left the country. She became a cook for some Catholic Nuns. Less than a year later war broke out with Ukraine and Poland. I must assume that her father knew that war was coming and that's why he sent her away. Later on, she got a letter from her father saying no matter what you hear, Don't come back its not safe here anymore. She never heard from her father ever again. She later learned that her father was removed from his home at gun point and drafted into the army against his will. He was taken prisoner in a forced labor camp after they lost the war. He died while in captivity. My great Grandmother knew two languages Ukrainian and Polish. She lived so close to the border, she could even see the changing of the guard. A year later after she arrived in America, She met a Polish young man in America that also immigrated. Later they were married. Imagine both of their countries were at war with each other but it didn't stop the love they had for each other. I really wish that I could trace living relatives if any in Galicia. I really doubt that any of her relatives even exist especially after WW2 round up cause the Nazis cleared out that area. Maybe one day I will visit Galicia but I wish I had one relative to meet but it's unlikely. I realized had she not left Galicia before war broke out, I most likely would not exist today along with other family members. She was such a brave young girl to leave at such a young age.

[@rebuzz6866]

He was taken prisoner in a forced labor camp after they lost the war? Something is off in that story, there were no labor camps after WWI. The only possible way for it to happen is that he was forced to fight on the side of Bolsheviks in 1920-21 Polish -Bolshevik war. After the war, part of Bolshevik army POW died in result of typhoid and cholera epidemic. If you do a DNA test, it will link you with possible relatives, you will be surprised haw many you will find in the USA. Every 2-3 months, Ancestry, that I used, is running special offers that will take around $50 -$75 off. Register with them or any other you chose, but don't buy the test until they send you a special offer.

[@lser7554]

Where all these old village photos come from? Fantastic.

[@lemkowithhistory]

monovisions.com/vintage-daily-life-in-galicia-eastern-europe-1920s/ . Enjoy

[@lser7554]

@@lemkowithhistory THANK YOU, That was so kind of you to do.

[@joebloggs339]

Thank you for this video. My grandmother's family were from Galicia. I can only trace records back to the late 1800s. I never knew how desperately poor the region was. She was born in 1927 and I never heard her talk about the extreme grinding poverty described in the video. Her village was near the Dneister River and is now in Ukraine.

[@Courtneybenson907]

My great grandfather, Samuel Besensohn (Benson) was born there in 1900, he came to the US in 1905.

[@ChickenDelivering]

I read the novel "radetzkymarsch" written by joseph roth

[@patriotpioneer]

My Grandmothers Birth Certificate that was made in the U.S. after she arrived States: Place of Birth Galicia, Kingdom of Austria-Hungary

[@CasiodorusRex]

Same here. Galicia became a part of Poland after WW1. That's when my grandparents came to the USA.

[@retronic9302]

Absolutely insane times to have a dozen famines rolling your way in the span of a century. This reminds me of something my grandmother once said about how it was one of the best days of her childhood when she got to eat an entire loaf of bread by herself - I would have never survived a time like that, I know in my heart I'm just too weak to survive 30 disasters in my lifetime. Cheers again from a fan on the east coast 🍻.

[@lemkowithhistory]

Thanks for sharing Retronic, the story is wild and sad at the same time.

[@leaveme3559]

makes me wonder how many such famines have not even been properly recorded the expansion of alexanders and mongol empire would have caused famines all across the world....similar thing could have happened in asia and africa during coloniolism

[@patricianelson8]

Our family went to America in 1896. Amazing how my ancestors endured so much risking travel to the new world.

[@myhal-k]

Good video, shows us that the Austro-Hungarian empire, like any empire, didn't actually care about borderlands much. We have something to learn from this story.

[@lemkowithhistory]

It definitely is a case study on how *not* to run your border territories, that's for sure.

[@tengizpimpashvili1311]

Ruthenians and ukrainians are similar but is NOT the same ethnic group

[@genghis_connie]

It is a wonder we all exist. So many odds against all ancestors from everywhere. Thanks so much for this. You did a wonderful job!

[@otempora5799]

Thanks for this video! My grandparents migrated to Canada from Galicia before WW I.

[@winros]

My grandfather was born here 1888 and passed away in 1959! I have to do more research because he did come to America and settled in Pennsylvania Bucks county! He was Ukrainian Carpathian Rusyn! Of course Orthodox as well! I believe my grandmother came from here as well! Both he and my grandmother had thirteen children! She died quite Young! I believe my dad was 16 when his mother passed! My father was number 11! ✌🏼 My father had very olive skin and black curly hair with brown eyes! ✌🏼

[@CrowJams]

My great great grandmother immigrated from Galicia when she was 16. She was extremely poor, didn’t even have enough money for shoes

[@cyraoh6420]

Your videos are always so interesting to learn about

[@kleocatra9675]

My great great grandfather was born in 1887 and had listed Galicia when he immigrated to the USA.

[@igorbojanic4914]

I am from Croatia,my grand grandfather is from Poland,my grand grandmother is from Ukraine part of Galicia

[@rebuzz6866]

White Croat was an officially recognized nationality in Poland until 1939. It was concentrated in southern Poland.

[@jack60091]

My grandparents left in 1910. Thank God.

[@TheCarolinaPatriot]

My great grandfather left about 1904 and great grandmother about 1910-12.

[@TheAsmrAddict888]

My 4th great grandfather was from Nockowa Galicia. I am an American living probably what could only have been a big dream. I'm still pretty poor on the grand scale of things in my country but compared to what my family lived through for me to end up in one of if not the best country in the world. ❤

[@deborahd.7281]

My grandmother took a ship from Rotterdam to New York in 1910 when she was 17 years old. Her home was apparently Galicia. The distance from Galicia to Rotterdam could be about 700 miles. Does anyone have information on how the immigrants went from Austria to Rotterdam? Did they walk in groups, take horses or carriages, a bus, a car, or a combination?

[@vipeton.8927]

Train to Berlin Then to Roterdam.

[@rebuzz6866]

Ship from Gdańsk is more probable than train.

[@deborahd.7281]

@@vipeton.8927 Thank you.

[@deborahd.7281]

@@vipeton.8927 Thank you.

[@deborahd.7281]

@@rebuzz6866 Thank you

[@zerguskotus2648]

Galician massacre was not a nationality based uprising but rather a class based one

[@lm-pt1pz]

my grandmother is born 42 and left galicia 44. last known resident before germany was Michalow II, Spatenfelde (Opatówek), Kreis Kalisch (not galicia). surnames mayer and bachmann.

[@cyndagomano4149]

Another fantastic work if depressing. Can I have the link to the census stats? Like to check it out myself.

[@BinauralBae]

I'm proud to call myself a child of Austrian Galicia. Thank you for making this video.

[@jlpack62]

@2:09 You can't just erase someone's identity because they are countryless and their host nation has decided that their identity doesn't exist. Carpatho-Rusyns or Ruthenians in both west and east Galicia make up variants of a distinct identity. Both my father's paternal and maternal lineage is Polish, and they immigrated from west Galicia. My mother's paternal lineage is Lemko, and while their homeland exists within southeastern Poland today, they don't identify as such. Likewise, they don't identify as Ukrainian either.

[@lemkowithhistory]

There were no Carpatho-Rusyns in East Galicia, only in the west.

[@rebuzz6866]

Ruthenians is a Latin name for Rusins.

[@Dreadnacht715]

Both sides of my family are rusyn coming to America in the late 1800s to work in the anthracite coal mines here in pa. My great grandfather was only 4 ft 11 I found out. Every other male on that side has been 5’10 plus. Makes me wonder now if that was due to malnutrition growing up and such before coming here.

[@CasiodorusRex]

My great great grandparents came from Galicia. It's on their immigration papers.

[@preacheradams5216]

My grandmother immigrated from Galicia.

[@lemkowithhistory]

Where in Galicia?

[@rvlkaplan]

You don't say a lot about Western Galicia, now part of Poland. Before the First World War, a quarter of the population of Krakow, for example, were Jewish. My family lived mostly in Kolbuszowa, which had a Jewish majority, and nearby Cmolas. In the late 19th century, some of them emigrated to Budapest, Vienna, England and the USA. Largely due to poverty and overcrowding, I agree, rather than pogroms as in Ukraine and parts of the Russian Empire.

[@rebuzz6866]

The largest pogroms happened under Austrian and the German Empires.

[@samueljaworski5737]

My great grandfather was from Rohatyn and I found I have some Jewish ancestry from him. I think that town was around half Jewish but I was shocked because the communities didn't intermarry.

[@rvlkaplan]

@@samueljaworski5737 In these communities, it was a mixture between the Jewish communities forbidding their members to marry outwith the faith and also a strong element of antisemitism in the non-Jewish communities. So in most cases, pre-20th century at any rate, there was strong discouragement of intermarriage.

[@samueljaworski5737]

@rvlkaplan I really wonder what happened in my family but I will likely never really know

[@christinef521]

Does “Maniv” ring a bell as a place in Galicia? I have not been able to track it back.

[@niczkowski]

is it Maniów in podkarpackie south of Sanok? here is the coordinates - 49.38265, 22.149936. it is former lemko village

[@samotnick]

Austria occupied this territories after partitions of Poland and this land never was Austrian. And you should say not a Austrian Galicia but Austrian Occupied Galicia, de facto part of Poland. Another in the series of Your pseudohistorical videos. Why You even make them? To confuse people that dont check facts? What for?

[@lemkowithhistory]

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[@jurii9486]

you can't occupy from someone who occupied it.

[@zerguskotus2648]

@@jurii9486 Yes Polish occupied Poland makes sense

[@modmaker7617]

Why is there a 2 Galicias? A Galicia in Spain where they speak a Portuguese dialect called Galician. A Galicia in Eastern Europe full of Poles, Ukrainians & Rusyns.

[@ayararesara6253]

They have different etymology. EE's Galicia is a latinized form derived from principality of Halych that existed until 1349. This name got forgotten, but Austria justified its claim to this territory by the fact that Hungarians ruled this land for a few years in 13th century, so the old name got "revived" in 1772 for this very excuse. And the name of city of Halych most likely comes from a word 'halka' - 'jackdaw'. Also the same confusion exists in polish language too, but it doesn't in ukrainian since they call their region Halychyna, while spanish one - Halisiya.

[@citizenoftheworldsz9]

excellent video!

[@ІванГриць-в3р]

Austrian Galicia was still much richer than any region of the Russian Empire or the Ottoman Empire. So Galicia was not poor, otherwise it would not have such beautiful cities as Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Przemysl, Ternopil, Krakow, Drohobych, Stryi.

[@amandastrum4958]

How would you trace your heritage back to Galicia if there are only records when they got to Pennsylvania

[@samueljaworski5737]

How much do you know about their surnames

[@amandastrum4958]

@@samueljaworski5737 Zubryd and Chilewa (phonetically) or hilva or Kleva

[@Anton_Danylchenko]

To tell the truth - people in entire Ukraine had Rusyn identity (in ethnic sense) until the end of XIX century. Ukrainain identity was also in use since as minimum XVII century but in a local sense (in a meaning "from Ukraine"). In XIX century the process of shift from Rusyn to Ukrainian identity started. Ukrainian started to be used in ethnic sense instead of Rusyn or even together with Rusyn. This happened both in Dnieprian Ukraine and in Galicia. By the end of XIX century local intelligentsia chosen name "Ukrainian" for the nation. At the same time many local peasants and citizens still had Rusyn identity in Galicia up until WWII, despite they spoke literally the same Dniestrian Galician dialect as the people who considered themselves Ukrainian. Poland also encouraged the usage of Rusyn identity instead of Ukrainian, since Poles saw Ukrainian nationalism as a threat (they had war with West Ukrainian People's Republic and they had strong Ukrainian resistance). This process also happened in Carpathian Rus'. And its culmination was the proclaiming of Carpatho-Ukraine state. However, most locals there still had Rusyn identity at that time. So if there was some person with Rusyn identity in Galicia (especially in Eastern Galicia) that does not automatically mean that this person was Carpatho-Rusyn. I know this is tricky but people's identity was shifted to form Ukrainian nation and this process was not quick. Modern Galician Ukrainians are well aware that their ancestors had Rusyn identity.

[@niallglundub2225]

Galicia means Halych in Latin.

[@lemkowithhistory]

Interesting.

[@mykolazaiarnyi]

Well, Galicia is Halychyna, which took its name from the city of Halych

[@wendel6]

Canada's first wave of Ukrainian immigrants all came from Halychyna/Galicia when our Interior Minister Clifford Sifton came searching for hardy peasants to clear & farm the Canadian Prairies. Canadian agriculture was built by Ukrainian immigrants from Western Ukraine💙💛

[@maryrosecarroll4558]

Do you have an approximate year for this? My grandfather and his brother migrated to the Canadian prairies from Eastern Galicia in 1911. Could this have been the reason why?

[@Hermann-wl7mr]

Im from tarnow and my grandmother told me that her parents lived wealthy and everything was good even though they were peasants.

[@franek.97]

It's the same here in the countryside west of Rzeszów. This extreme poverty was most concentrated in the east of the San River, and not in the west where the majority of the population were Poles.

[@theMOCmaster]

Austrian Galicia was where Ukrainian culture was allowed to flourish as opposed to the Russian Empire, could have deserved a mention

[@lemkowithhistory]

Naw

[@rpinter677]

It's true

[@christopherellis2663]

Plenty of Rusyn in Serbia and Romania... and Ukrainians, too. 1848 was the year, throughout Austria- Hungary. Banat region.

[@openpalm7633]

A really dark time for all people in the East that century. My fascination is that even with all this suppression and IDGAF attitude in Vienna they only rose up one time. Maybe they were to damn starving to fight for better life then. Id leave too in one second to somewhere nicer.

[@room7594]

What is interesting is that many peasants like my ancestors felt that Austria was a savior and that it was the polish nobles who were the problem. My great grandfather always identified as Austrian. From his perspective, Vienna empowered the serfs and wanted to encourage education and rule of law. The nobles were mainly interested in keep the serfs in their place and putting ethnic groups against each other.

[@ioannis2000]

At 6:12 you mention "constant ethnic rivalry between the Polish elite and Ukrainian peasants" . Could you explain this? Isn't it the Galicians peasants you wanted to say? Or do you mean that Galicians and Ukrainians are the same? It is very well done documentary that casts light into the the trouble region and very little is known. Thank you.

[@eava708]

Galicians are people from Galicia. not every Ukrainian is from Galicia and not every Galician is Ukrainian. Galicians were also Poles or Jews. Besides, the author simplifies, because Poles were also peasants. the stereotype of a "Polish elite" oppressing poor Ukrainians led to genocide of Poles during WWII

[@andreme7326]

@@eava708 What led to the ethnic cleansing that you mentioned was the Pacification of Ukrainians.

[@eava708]

@@andreme7326 No, it was not reason. Pacifications were a *response* to the extermination of Polish villages - this is the sequence *confirmed* by historians. The AK operated mainly in western Poland and started operating in the east, hurting Ukrainians and Belarusians, when the UPA began genocide. The number of AK was limited in these areas anyway. UPA dominated there, it was ten times larger. And thats why it was Polish people (including Jews), but also Czechs and Tatars, who suffered the most in Galicia Do not change the order of historical events unless you have evidence to challenge the scientific consensus.

[@andreme7326]

@@eava708You're mixing bunch of different things. My point is that what happened in Volyn was not the result of some stereotype, as you put it. And the pacification was, of course, the reason for a huge animosity between the Ukrainians and the Poles. With other being the Ukrainians treated as second class citizens. Whatever was the reason, what happened in Volyn was a crime and a tragedy.

[@andreme7326]

@@eava708 Also, the reason for the Pacification was NOT the extermination of the Polish villages, because the extermination started only in 1943.

[@Katokilla]

My great grandfather was from the more Ukrainian side

[@winros]

I believe my father as well because we are Ukrainian! Did your grandfather come to America and if so where did he settle?

[@Katokilla]

@@winros he joined the German navy and after the war he and my great great grandmother came to Michigan

[@winros]

@@Katokilla my family went to Bucks county Pennsylvania. ✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼 Worked in coal mines. ✌🏼

[@leosharman8630]

They were poor, yet they lived on farmable land? There are other people’s who live in mountains and desserts.

[@michaelmarczinko7081]

Scary stuff LWH, seems like a depressing topic for a video

[@lemkowithhistory]

Was definitely pretty brutal to research haha.

[@simian.friends]

good to know what the place my grandfather was born in was like

[@lordofgamers2577]

Wow my ancestors were mega f'ed 😬

[@Домин-с8ц]

Same dawg

[@jack60091]

Thanks.

[@theopolliss3840]

I like the different topic and place really interesting

[@SinilkMudilaSama]

The map of Europe i study 40th decades and its full of injustices....Hard to say anything, deep things...

[@Hisloyalservantslistenlove613c]

What about New Sunder?

[@lemkowithhistory]

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[@gregglevin5612]

My family history too... very interesting to me. They came to the USA on cattle boats.

[@lucasjuliancarballeira6392]

Is there any connection between Austrian and Spanish Galicia? Or is the same name just a coincidence?

[@lemkowithhistory]

No, Galicia as spelled traditionally in Ruthenian and Russians is Halychyna.

[@jareovvichenko4380]

If they were so malnourished how did they keep having kids?

[@AHOSE97HuN]

just look at today's people of Black-Africa

[@jareovvichenko4380]

@@AHOSE97HuN Do you think it is as bad as this tho? Seems hard to beat.

[@jareovvichenko4380]

@@AHOSE97HuN The living conditions

[@AHOSE97HuN]

@@jareovvichenko4380 In undeveloped areas, where there is no infrastructure, no education, no hospitals, no modern agriculture, no chance to find a job so you can maintain yourself; where people can't do anything at all, they keep drinking alcohol, consuming drugs, fighting against each other AND doing sex, wheter they can last their kids or not.

[@TSliw]

Married people have sex. Sex causes babies.

[@jordaniskoroski7919]

Hi, i'm from brasil and looking for the SKOROSKI or SKOWSONSKI family's

[@janchimiak2734]

It's worth emphasizing that, at the time, there were several factors to the identity question: language, religion and class, which - for some - resulted in what we call a "nationality" today. Censuses queried for language and religion. The two were tied somewhat, but the relation is not 1:1 (e.g. I have at least one conversion in my family history in 18th c). You might find maps in this study useful journals.umcs.pl/b/article/download/1252/1006 - it's a modern take (in Polish, but with bits and pieces in English) on the ethnographic of the region based on old censuses. Another thing: the Szela uprising was very much a class unrest, with little relation to "nationality". The "szlachta" class was itself very diverse, with a significant majority very poor. A decent source on that can be found here www.ejournals.eu/pliki/art/8977/ I was also googling for a fabulous ethnographical map which did the Jewish communities justice, I'm sure I've seen it several years back on the net, a one based on a mid 18th century Austrian census, with boxes with ratios in place of larger towns (areas were predominantly "Polish" or "Ruthenian", but the Jewish population was mostly concentrated in towns), but I cannot find it today. Highly recommended, though, it's really insightful. Lastly: rural areas were very poor also elsewhere, depending on several factors, incl. soil quality. Comparisons by area are misleading because they include larger towns. I'm not saying that you're understating the problem, rather that I've seen similar pictures and statements on several western parts of the Russian empire, too.

[@cityblock9979]

It's another video from Mr. Big Rusyn KZbinr! GG.

[@rebuzz6866]

@2:11 This isn't true and one of the biggest myths spread by the Ukrainian nationalist. If asked, nobody can provide the date or point to the act of expropriation of the Ruthenian gentry by the Poles. Native Polish gentry constituted only 2% of all gentry in Ukraine, with the greatest intensity of their occurrence in the Kiev region, where they constituted 3% of all gentry. This is where "gente Ruthenus, natione Polonus" come from. Gypsies did not engage in farming, they led a nomadic lifestyle. There were no Ukrainians in 1910, locals only.

[@siriusvenus8708]

I seems clear that the lack of investment in that area under the Hapsburgs was due, in part, by a lack of interest in the "experiment" that the area had originally been intended by Joseph II in the late 18th Century. People didn't want a successful "melting" pot and not with "upstart" classes like Jews and peasants having any opportunity to rise above a miserable status which has been forced upon them still to this day (in more circuitous and modernized "Democratic" ways than the overt oppression from these former times).

[@patriotpioneer]

Stopping at 1:33 , my understanding is that the census records were not correct as many non-poles claimed polish nationality out of fear(you know the deal here), something that has been done for decades...

[@lemkowithhistory]

I think there is probably more Lemkos in Poland nowadays, though probably out of ease rather than fear.

[@crusader646]

What are you talking about? Austrians supported Ukrainian nationalism.

[@patriotpioneer]

@@crusader646 What are you refering to..?

[@crusader646]

@@patriotpioneer My point is that Ukrainians were not persecuted in Galicia and even on the contrary Ukrainian nationalism was supported by the Austrians. The Austrians formed Ukrainian militias, supported Ukrainian separatism and incited hatred towards the Poles. The reason for this was that the Poles had fought fiercely for independence in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries and supporting the Ukrainians was intended to prevent a possible Polish uprising in Galicia by reducing Polish influence in the region. After the First World War, a Ukrainian nobleman, Dmitro Vitovsky, staged a coup d'état in Lviv and the Republic of Western Ukraine was established, which was not recognised by any other state and was populated mostly by Poles. The Poles bravely defeated first the Ukrainians and then the Soviets and the territory of western Ukraine was incorporated into the Second Polish Republic. The support of Ukrainian nationalism by the Austrians and the defeat in the war against Poland created a very strong radicalisation among the Ukrainians, which later led to a cruel genocide during WW2 in which Ukrainians massacred hundreds of thousands of Polish and Jewish civilians. After the Second World War, the Ukrainians continued to murder until 1947, when the communist general Swierczewski was assassinated by the OUN. After the assassination of Swierczewski, the communist authorities carried out the Operation Vistula, which was the resettlement of over a hundred thousand Ukrainians from western Ukraine to the more urbanised and richer areas beyond the Vistula River. Operation Vistula was necessary to pacify the Ukrainian fascists and prevent another genocide against Polish civilians. Operation Vistula was not a large-scale resettlement operation, by comparison, after the war more than three million Poles were resettled from western Ukraine and Belarus. The reason why the author of this video presents Poland and Poles as bad is because he is a Lemko, many Lemkos were mistakenly displaced during Operation Vistula. PS. If you are going to reply to my comment then spare yourself the nonsense like 'the territory of western Ukraine was a Rus principality in the 13th century' or 'Lviv was founded by Lev Halytsky'. If you want to go so far back in time, you might as well say that western Ukraine has always been Polish because after the Slavs wandered into the area, the first tribes there were Lendians also called the Lechits. And these territories, also called Cherven States, were invaded by Kievan Rus in 981 and the Lendians were incorporated into Rus and Russified. Secondly, Lviv was founded in 1256 by Lev Halytsky but it was only a small settlement. It was not until the 13th century that Casimir the Great of Poland reclaimed the Duchy of Halych when Ruthenia fell under the Mongolian boot. After the recapture of the Halich principality, a peaceful migration of Poles into the area began which lasted until the partitions. Poles living in western Ukraine were removed from there through systematic genocide and final resettlement after the Second World War. During the Khmelnytsky Uprising, tens of thousands of Poles were murdered in 1648. In 1768, during Koliivshchyna Haidamaka rebels paid by Russia to pacify the Bar Confederation murdered from 100 to 200 thousand Poles. After the fall of the November Uprising in 1831, thousands of Poles were resettled to Siberia, after the January Uprising thousands more. During the Second World War, Ukrainian fascists murdered at least 150,000 Polish civilians in western Ukraine, which also contributed to the flight of hundreds of thousands to the General Government. Eventually, after the Second World War, the rest were deported to Silesia and Pomerania by the communists.

[@patriotpioneer]

@@crusader646 🧐

[@Tankietka2137]

Galicja was a Part of only Poland before three partitions. Yes they live poles and Austrians and Ukraine’s together, but in history Galicia with Lwów was part of Poland. And it’s not important how much Ukraines lives in Galicia because their country did not exist then. And remember that Austria accepted polish culture and language.

[@Omnigreen]

Nationalism 100

[@skywarzer]

Galicia was ethnic Ukrainian territory which got conquered and and assimilated by Poland

[@Piasecki1925]

​@@skywarzerBack then there was no such a thing like Ukraine educate your self

[@skywarzer]

@@Piasecki1925 you were probably watching cocomelon at the time i wrote that comment so put your tablet down kid and go do your homework

[@Piasecki1925]

judging by what you wrote, you get your historical knowledge from cocomelon, how can you wrote that someone is a kid when you have anime on your avatar

[@Frankybeanselevators]

Is he pronouncing the word Galicia correctly? I thought it would be pronounced, gaul-lee-see-ya... not gaul-lishia

[@jareovvichenko4380]

Yeah he's right this is how native Ruthenians or Poles would say it. How you think it would be pronounced is how the Spanish region of the same name would said.

[@kathleencempa6680]

That’s why my family immigrated to america

[@posticusmaximus1739]

Has Austria ever apologized for their brutal colonial exploitation? Not withstanding what they would later do during WWII.

[@noimnotarobotcanubeleiveit7024]

My family was gifted Galicia by austrohungaria, all the way to lviv. We are fro. Danmark, magna friesia and Westphalia. Hemp growers and independent knights. Suppliers of all rope, sails, clothing. I demand the occupation forces of khazarian and Jewish criminals withdrawal and return my land to me. Hemp knight

[@djmadwax]

I love this but i cringe everytime YOU say „galisha „

[@lemkowithhistory]

That's how natives pronounce it.

[@TSliw]

@@lemkowithhistory I'm not saying you're wrong, as many people can say things different ways especially depending on language of communication, "official names" versus "folk names", changing names over time etc. I''d assume though that in Ukrainian/Ruthenian it'd be pronounced called Галичина or if using it's "official name" in the Austrian Empire "Galizien" or even the Polish "Galicja"

[@SinilkMudilaSama]

Rusnak ruthenia should come back again

[@keng-pakhong9478]

Complete bullshit. The author has picked up just one side, and the smallest, of the sory. It looks much as Russian propaganda describing Galicia's concentration camps during WW I. Why haven't the author shown another side of the story? And it is great

[@winros]

Where can I get the other side? My grandfather was born in Austria Galatia I'm doing research that's what it said on his papers.

[@christopherellis2663]

Ga lí cia, no one says gə lisha

[@m.hughmungus121]

"78% of the city are poles" - I'm pretty sure 3/4 of the city was yiddish...being one of the largest jewish centers in Europe, and all that Are you saying poles = khazar??

[@NorbertNahumEvreuklovic]

LEMBERG ❤❤❤😂

[@jack60091]

I am half Ukrainian and never heard the term Ruthenian from my grandmother who came from Galicia.

[@Jubah54]

Ruthenian is latin or western european for Rus'

[@graeme011]

God helps those who help themselves.

[@tengizpimpashvili1311]

Western ukraine or galicia is probably gonna belongs to Belarus 🇧🇾

[@tengizpimpashvili1311]

Слава Батьке

[@Victorianukeland]

Galicia is like Africa of Europe. People are lazy and like war with neighbours.

[@ІванГриць-в3р]

No. If you take Google maps and look at Galicia, you will see pretty well-kept cities and villages. Of all the former USSR, Galicia looks like the most beautiful region.

[@rinatozaur]

Неплохо было бы еще упомянуть военные действия в первой мировой войне, украинских сечевых стрельцов, создание ЗУНР и войну с польшей, оккупация польшей, потом германцами, потом советами и вторую мировую, это довольно интересные и важные события

[@mariuszlech9173]

Типовий психічно та соціально недорозвинений представник темного народу. Як ви думаєте, карпатських русинів цікавлять ваші українські жалі та пропаганда? Їм це байдуже, це цивілізовані люди, які живуть у реальному світі, а не в альтернативній реальності.

[@elvirai817]

How is that Ruthenians are later known as Ukrainians. Ruthenians were are and will be, even scarcely spread in four countries, Ruthenians. Ukrainians claim they are descendants of Cossaks to differentiate from Russians. How is that, Ukrainians have two origins. Imperialistic Ukraine: Southern Moldavia, Northern Bukovina, Galicia and Ruthenians land, that has nothing to do with Ukrainian historically. Who are then the Ukrainians if Ruthenians are Ruthenians, bokovineans and all eastern Odessa are Moldavians and Galicia is Poland. Donbas is Russia and Ukraine started as a country a century ago. Just scattered lies to make it look like Ukraine is entitled in these territories. It is not.

[@billkill157]

I am a Galician and all my ancestors are from Galicia, and I am Ukrainian, your thoughts that Ukraine is simply a Cossack state are wrong (Cossacks are a social class and not an ethnic group), it is also the same as saying that Poles and hussars are different ethnic groups).

[@elvirai817]

@@billkill157 yeah, but Cossaks had their own land in Zaporozya, with disputed by Ukraine and Russia legacy. It doesn't have to be an ethnic group to be a state, as was the first ever trial for an Ukraine state in 1653, on previously Cossacks land. Everything else was Russia made and Russia given. Bolsheviks made your country a country, and granted it with huge amount of land, from your neighbours as well. It does not meen this war is legitimate, you only have to say the truth about your own history, if you know it. WE, everyone else around, know it.

[@billkill157]

@@elvirai817 I feel like I'm talking to a tree, why is it so hard to look up Wikipedia to find out what Ukraine is? What are you starting to invent all kinds of schizophrenic nonsense, I understand where you live there are a lot of psychoactive mushrooms) Ukraine is the national republic of Ukrainians (you can say the state of the Ruthenians if it is so fundamental) for you there is only one point) why these cries that Ukraine and Muscovy fought for "Zaporizhka Sich"... it feels as if Ukraine is not her descendant, and unfortunate Halychyna has also been conquered! 😭😭😭 Ukraine is a descendant of two states after the disintegration of Kyivan Rus, the first one was the Principality of Galicia-Volhynia, after its destruction by the Poles and Lithuanians, the baton passed to Zaporizhzhya Sich. These are two states whose descendants Ukraine is, and there is no question that Ukraine is a state of the Cossack ethnic group that captured the unfortunate Rusyns, and in general Ukraine is an empire) Ukraine is an empire of what, an empire of "ethnic" Cossacks who humiliate non-"ethnic" Cossacks or what? sorry, but you are inadequate. Cossacks are a social class, and our state is national (ethnic) - the state of Ukrainians (RUSYNIVS) TRIGGER

[@elvirai817]

@@billkill157 Listen, Wikipedia and the whole internet is actually full of lies. Not only about Ukraine's history, in general. You believe those, I read authentic history.. Let us end this talk please cos it takes us nowhere. Thank you.

[@billkill157]

@@elvirai817 I am telling you to go to the wiki not so that you can defend your doctoral thesis on the history of Ukraine, but so that you can simply learn what this state is about and what its foundation is, and on the topic of the fact that there are a lot of lies on the Internet - it is clear from you that you you consume this information, your theories are schizophrenic, it feels like you are a drug addict, your "theories" about the UKRAINE EMPIRE, the Cossack ethnic state, and about the Ukrainians brought by the Anunnaki from the planet Nebiru in order to oppress the ancient Ruthenian people, about the invented USSR Ukraine are just trash, the fact that the USSR could not do otherwise as the Muscovite empire was falling apart is of no interest to you, you live in an imaginary world! you need to see a doctor!

[@slawkapis1355]

There is no Galicja, this land called Malopolska. I greet Russian trolls 😁

[@lemkowithhistory]

Do you always comment such idiotic things when the video has nothing to do with politics?

[@billkill157]

lol, malopolska is western Galicia, it is not really Galicia at all)

[@odjadranadodrine6548]

@@billkill157 and all that was velika horvatiya... croats made first polish state in malopolska when white croatia was destroyed...all galicians are croats...

[@odjadranadodrine6548]

Sorry comment is for slawka