The Fate of The Advanced Omega Class Destroyers

The Fate of The Advanced Omega Class Destroyers from B5's Between the Darkness and the Light (episode 19, season 4). Please note this is all the relevant CGI extracted in order from the episode.
I recently started re-watching (yet again) my Babylon 5 DVD box set collection. Figured I'd do a favour to all my subscribers that did so because of the B5 content I uploaded in the past.
Although it's entertainment, we can also consider it educational for anyone studying CGI of the mid 90's.
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[@christianegeler2553]

Well, the Advanced Omega Class Destroyers definitely didn't get the Shadow's targeting systems.

[@nycplayboy78]

Yeah...Plot Armor....I was rooting for them...

[@lovipoekimo176]

Love that spinning wheel of destruction the Whitestars formed into

[@girlgarde]

When Ivanova demands the surrender of the two regular Earth destroyers, she may as well have stated "Surrender so you can put on trial, found guilty and THEN die by execution." as they had nothing to lose and everything to gain by fighting even if it was hopeless.

[@craigmartinj]

No she's saying... surrender and acknowledge TRUTH or be destroyed. The galaxy can no longer afford the shadow lie.

[@atoll8423]

@@craigmartinj The younger races had been manipulated by Vorlons for centuries, to the point of napping innocent people for their psy experiments. The shadow merely offered an option.

[@barriewright2857]

YOUR NOT TAKING ME ALIVE.....! A cornered animal is the most dangerous creature.

[@girlgarde]

@@barriewright2857 True enough.

[@zephyr8072]

What truth? Is using Shadow technology an unforgivable sin now? Oh no. They’re using hybrid Shadow ships. Whereas the White Stars are hybrid Vorlon ships and tbat’s okay even though we just spent half a season establishing the Vorlons were every bit as wrong, genocidal and corruptive as the Shadows. Wait. What?

[@INWMI]

awesome i saw this show as kid, and today still impress me the quality on the ships

[@OneTrueEdge]

CG isn't bad for being nearly 30 years old.

[@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164]

The Shadow tech advanced destroyers were all destroyed in the Earth Alliance Civil War.

[@AKUJIVALDO]

Tell that to first Warlocks batch...

[@wolfgangjr74]

@@AKUJIVALDO Those ships still would have been devastating if they had more of them. They where very well armed and armored. Those xstars had an incredibly difficult time destroying them.

[@girlgarde]

It's too bad, they were kickass ships. I would've like to have seen them used against bad guys like the Drakh which would've been ironic.

[@toddkes5890]

@@girlgarde Using Shadowtech enhanced vessels against the race that aided the Shadows directly? Good way to have someone take over your ships and strengthen their fleet (seriously, that is one of the later B5Wars battles featuring a Warlock among an EA fleet vs a group of Drakh, and the Drakh began shutting down components on the Warlock)

[@girlgarde]

@@toddkes5890 I was simply making a suggestion that could benefit the forces of good. Besides, pro-Vorlon races hostile to the Alliance could do the same crap to the White Stars.

[@genxlife]

I love Shadow-enhanced Omega class destroyers!

[@MH5XXXX]

Those Shadow inhaled destroyers were harder to kill.

[@Zoloft77]

Imagine if those were used against the Minbari's own cruisers back in the Earth-Minbari War. I cannot say that Earth would decisively win, but I can be certain the sight of those vessels and what they represent would solidify the Minbari cause for complete extermination of humans. To a Minbari Religious Caste member: Half of our souls my shiny head! They're the Devil!

[@MH5XXXX]

@@Zoloft77 I did get the last part. Translate?

[@Zoloft77]

@@MH5XXXX We know the Minbari have a belief system based on the soul not God. We also know they believe souls can travel back/reincarnate to the population later on. Over a thousand years ago, they did thanks to Valen's half-human side as former Commander Jeffrey Sinclair starting the trend of those Minbari souls traveling whole or in part to human populations. We all know the Minbari's belief that no Minbari shall kill another Minbari convinced them to cease their genocidal campaign. However, if the sight of those Shadow augmented Earth Destroyers appeared during the Earth-Minbari war, then it may convince the Minbari in the know to reconsider their policy of "No Minbari shall ever harm a Minbari". They (given how fanatical they were) could rationalize it as these humans are no longer Minbari since they sided and are tainted with the coming Darkness/the Shadows, their ancient enemy.

[@barriewright2857]

If they can remake Battlestar galactica, this needs to be remade. It's already been remastered so remake the series or if not a film based on a particular event in the series. Old but still good with a good dialogue and actors, and still good cgi , loved it when it came out love it today.

[@chadwickerman]

By remake are you saying reboot? If so, then hell no. I don't want to see it remade with different actors and modern directing. It's perfect the way it is.

[@barriewright2857]

@@chadwickerman That argument i can't argue with if it's good already leave it alone , but just imagine a reboot with the modern CGI and the series with new injections of imagination of the story's of the series. The resent version of Battle star Galactica compared to the version from the 1970's " giving away my age " just left school 78 , is much more darker and a lot more engaging with a greater emphasis on the characters and the story, where as version one was more of a daily seria "but still good" . Know imagine Babylon five with the same application as battle star Galactica, and you have good stories already that can be retold in a different way and others expanded on and other stories improved on !. that too me as you stated means reboot, too me as long as the people behind it follow the series and don't stray too fare from the original idears of Babylon 5 story and give it the respect it deserves and good actors to tell the story it should work and be as good as the original if not better, but it's all down to if they can get the right people first, then it will work. I say reboot the series because it deserves it because of the quality of the story's of the series.

[@jtbush]

There is a remastered graphics on HBO

[@Thescott16]

I wouldn't trust modern writers, producers and studios with this as far as I could throw them... After what they've done to beloved franchises like Star Trek, Star Wars, The Lord of the Rings and many others, do you really think they'd respect Babylon 5?

[@Volkbrecht]

The only place where Babylon 5 really looks old is the quarters inside the station. The style of furnishing is sooo badly 1990s, also the old CRT monitors in the walls, those looked out of place even when the series was new. But in the places where it counts the CGI was actually pretty good, and to this day the series is one of the very few where they got zero gravity space battles correct. The way I see it there is not all that much to win by remaking it, but a lot of good reputation on the line that might be lost. Maybe wait another 20 or so years before digging it up again.

[@jediknight73]

I know eaths capital ships are not very advance like rotating section for gravity but damn love the design

[@ElzariusUnity]

I love how the one thing they didn't steal from Shadows is gravity plating! XD

[@nycplayboy78]

@@ElzariusUnity Or their targeting and weapon systems...Or cloaking capabilities...

[@BayuThuBayBSS]

Amazing 😊

[@silvercat18]

I wonder if the shadow destroyers had a person wired into the controls like the shadows crabs did. I can well imagine someone in engineering stuck in some sort of obelisk, like a living computer, with a normal bridge crew.

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

*I ❤️ BABYLON 5!!!!!*

[@catherinedebough8879]

I hope you do the episode "Endgame" on your next video.

[@Fr0st1989]

Pretty sure that's Richard Epcar as the EF captain demanding "Identify yourself!"

[@shauljonah6955]

The only ufos 🛸 I can identify lol 😆 😂 but I loved this show too.

[@Imperialistic82]

If Earth had a couple of shadow tech Novla Class Dreadnought and Novas with Omega Class weapons during the Minbari war, could they have had a chance against them?

[@dimaleoniv7987]

I doubt that the Shadows wouldn't share some artificial gravity technologies so the advanced destroyers could get rid of those rotating sections. Judging by the ships of other races, that's not such an advanced technology to keep a big secret.

[@davidpickens8800]

With NuTrek I'm glad that Babylon5 didn't get a renewal.

[@lucasbachmann]

Even though it breaks the universe...I think I'd try to open a jump point in the middle of those destroyers rather than get into a dog fight.

[@richardbradley2335]

I said in a previous vid about Dune . Interesting plot devices are forgotten as they get in the way in later stories; later parts of a movie...sci fi/ fantasy is riddles with them.

[@evanboll4651]

Didn't the Minbari use that as an actual battle tactic during the Earth/Minbari War? White Star's should have similar capabilities since they are a blend of Minbari and Vorlon technology.

[@richardbradley2335]

@@evanboll4651 Yes...they left it out (i think) because they could have destroyed the shadow ships easily ! The earlier storyline now looks like embarrsing plot device. I bet they think ''Should have left out the whole Minbari jump point thing''

[@fernandoserrano9393]

The was about to be rebooted. Those plans were canceled when the network merged with another network. Many of the series and projects were canceled by the new bosses.

[@KatriceMetaluna]

The jerks in the monkeysuits don't actually care about what's good or what the fans might want. They are driven by greed and ego alone.

[@chuth2768]

why are the raver spaceships shooting the goth spaceships

[@1Smrdo]

Like Reaper Tech in Mass Effect, Shadow Tech screws with the mind. Anyone serving on those Shadow enhanced destroyers was already far too gone. It was mercy, really.

[@skipperg4436]

Ivanova would serve as a captain of such destroyer eventually, so probably not...

[@DanielHeuwinkel]

@@skipperg4436 nope, the Warlock Class Destroyers and the Advanced Omegas were totally seperate things...

[@skipperg4436]

@@DanielHeuwinkel you sure? I remember both were developed using Shadows-donated technology... But I could be wrong: I watched the show many many years ago

[@DanielHeuwinkel]

@@skipperg4436 yeah according to canon the Advanced Omegas had the organic hull, the spines, and the organic skin and the weapons - the Warlock was a human design with Minbari gravity and just one shadow device hidden somewhere... which Ivanova got rid off.

[@skipperg4436]

@@DanielHeuwinkel hmmm... I was certain that is was Excalibur that was human design with Minbari tech, while Warlock used Shadow tech (but not to the same extent as Advanced Omegas

[@xadam2dudex]

They got destroyed because they couldn't hit the broadside of a barn .. With all the fire power they didn't hit one target

[@JH24821]

Yep. Their weapons may be more advanced, but the targeting systems are still the same.

[@benre]

they one shot 2 whitestars 2:39 - 2:40 :)

[@nigelk1293]

Shes death incarnate

[@Ama-hi5kn]

Don't screw with Ivanova. Daugther of Sofiya and Andrei Ivanov.

[@TaraWert1]

Plot hole that always bothered me. They were able to figure out how to integrate an organic technology into the Omega Class but STILL needed the rotating section for gravity generation?

[@tortenschachtel9498]

Maybe the gravimetric systems were too advanced for them.

[@TaraWert1]

@@tortenschachtel9498 Yeah but a semi organic hull with human level tech? Seems WAY more advanced to me. Would be like integrating the stealth system from an F35 into a WW1 fighter. Seems "aquiring" a few League ship that had that tech and reverse engineering it would have been far more effective probably more useful too.

[@tortenschachtel9498]

@@TaraWert1 Yeah, it's odd they didn't trade that tech after the Dilgar war. One of the League members already had it (i forgot which), so by the time the Mimbari war rolled around they could have had a first prototype and by the time of B5 most EA ships should have had artificial gravity.

[@TaraWert1]

@@tortenschachtel9498 A few of them had it far as i know. One, the Vree, supposedly even more advanced gravimetric tech than the Minibari

[@Ama-hi5kn]

You disagree? I must say I agree wholeheartedly.

[@Herlander25]

Human ships cant hit for shit !

[@IIISentorIII]

White Star's use Minbari and Vorlon ECM

[@JAnx01]

The Advanced Starfuries got plenty of hits and some kills here, but two of them crashed into one another at 2:27 XD

[@hammer1349]

@@JAnx01 starfury thunderbolts are less manoeuvrable than their aurora brothers due to accommodating atmospheric capability into the design. They behave more like vipers or even raptors from BSG. Pilot experiences more G forces due to sitting down, changed centre of gravity and thrust etc. Collisions are quite the possibility if in tight formation while manoeuvring

[@skipperg4436]

Welcome to the world of electronic warfare... In fact, it was common feature of advanced alien ships vs Earthforce that Earthforce ships couldn't lock on. In fact Earthforce even didn't "see" Minbari warships on their "scanners" or whatever tech they use

[@JAnx01]

@@skipperg4436 The best showcase of ECM occurs during the Battle of Proxima 3, right after the Heracles opens fire. The forward batteries target the White Stars, no hits. Then the rear batteries target the Sheridan's Starfuries and they all start exploding despite being much smaller and more maneuverable. Throughout the series, it was emphasized many times that the Earthforce had upgraded its sensor arrays after the Earth-Minbari war, but the battles of the Civil War against Clark as well as the Tragati incident in Points of Departure proved that it wasn't quite enough.

[@Headloser]

The Advanced Omega Class Destroyers are a JOKE. WHO the right mind put a launching bay AT THE FRONT OF THE NOSE. Nice design. Zero protection what so ever.

[@tortenschachtel9498]

The designer of the ship (well, the original Omega anyway) envisioned them to launch the fighters from the rotating section outwards, like they did on the station Babylon 5 itself.