The FGC Misses Street Fighter V: Here's Why You Shouldn't Be Surprised

[@nenjutsu1774]

We are NOT gonna pretend SFV was this glorious wonderland of a game. No way. Nope. No way. *SF7 comes out* Players: "Man i miss SF6 it was amazing!"

[@briandoyle1168]

I think they mean by that last season. Felt like it figured it out when the knew battle designer came in

[@TVFGC]

SFV wasn’t but it ended as a masterpiece when comparing it to its launch

[@git_blame]

From all those twitter buzz I would expect people actually went and play SFV again... they didn't. Literally almost 0 move on steamcharts

[@ReeceThaDon]

Over 200 right now

[@git_blame]

@@ReeceThaDon I said 0 move. I meant that the number of players hasn't really gone up since when this buzz on twitter started.

[@ReeceThaDon]

@@git_blame it was up earlier. It's been high and low since the buzz. So some have went back to playing it but not a lot.

[@arpadszabo661]

People going back to play SF2 or Third Strike or even USFIV (which was pretty universally disliked by the end of its life cycle) is something i can understand. I can even understand if they think those games are better than 6. But there is literally 0% chance that someone played SFV from launch to finish and unironically say that SFV is an overall better game than 6. That game was so close to destroying the franchise its not even funny. Its overall peak steam player numbers were 13k since release and then it was around 2-3k all the time. Meanwhile 6 still has 20-30k daily peaks. That happens for a reason and its not because its worse.

[@DoNotABarrelRoll]

To me, SFV is an overall more enjoyable game than SF6, unironically. I think the drive system is trying to do too many things at once, and is so powerful that it makes characters feel kind of same-y. Even as a spectator sport, I'm so bored of watching round 3 be 20 seconds of pokes and then someone gets a hit, DR fierce fierce x3 into level 3, dead. I think that SF6 is a better / more complete product, with all the different options you have for ways to play and interact with it. Unfortunately, all of that stuff is meaningless to me. I'm not interested in playing a fighting game single player. I definitely acknowledge that for people who want that, SF6 is the correct choice. But as a guy who just wants to get some matches in, I'll take SFV any day. I know that's an unpopular opinion and that's fine, but it isn't a non-existent opinion at all.

[@FGCombo]

nostalgia is heck of a drug

[@noBody-ue6cs]

People always reminisce the previous game.

[@TVFGC]

Facts

[@DingDong-nk4yf]

SFV's entire OST is amazing, one of the best in the series

[@noBody-ue6cs]

Sf6 is really the only sf game to have an awful soundtrack. Sure some of the recent new tracks have been good, and theres that obe track everybody points to, but no fighting game has ever had a training stage theme as bad as sf6

[@MrTerm1N]

no, sf5 soundtrack is entirely soulless, it's just empty, no fire in it

[@donaldanderson6408]

King of fighters 13 the g.o.a.t

[@finnmarr-heenan2397]

It’s a fantastic game but I prefer 98 and 2002 um ,

[@BloodruneEnt.]

I think the FGC doesn’t want to admit it has a burnout problem, new game comes out after they’ve dunked on previous release and are happy, but after playing it so much, the honeymoon is over, the look back at the old flame they mistreated and go back. If they didn’t repetitively play the new game so much than branching out to play other things, they probably won’t get so burnt out by consistently playing the new game constantly, there are other games to play. It’s just not worth it to join the Bandwagon until you burn yourself out. Each game in every franchise has some crazy flaws, but that’s just how they are, fully expecting balance is killing their need to enjoy the games.

[@arpadszabo661]

Some people actually have too much free time to properly enjoy free time activities. People are out there putting mmorpg levels of playtime into everything they play and then complain that its boring. Yeah, a fighting game is not going to stay the same level of hype after they put 500-1000 or more hours into it.

[@doublevendetta]

@@BloodruneEnt. This right here is my secret, can confirm. I play almost EVERYTHING. Street Fighter? Play all of them except I and II, even if I suck. MK? Not so much anymore but you bet I was there when we were on 9, X, and the Injustices. TEKKEN? Only more recently and I'm trash, but Akuma being in 7 broke my mind and Victor is SICK. Soul Calibur? Yup. VF? I screamed like a little kid when the REVO trailer dropped. Guilty Gear? You bet. BlazBlue? Has my whole heart. I literally CANNOT get the level of toxically salty at any one game that so many of these people are because when I get fatigued with one game's particular flavor of BS, (and they aaaaaalllll have BS. All of them. Don't kid yourselves, Salt Gremlins.) I just... Pick a different game for a while.

[@finnmarr-heenan2397]

How can u play everything but not sf2, do u even have tods in Tokyo densetsu angel eyes? Who do u main in chaos code? What’s your oki like in breakers revenge? Do u now the code to unlock neo dio in world hero’s perfect? Can u glitch teleport with karnov ? There are so many fun games out there that after u play them all mid games like sf6 and strive are not worth the hard drive space .

[@ThreeEyedPea]

I can't wait for SF7 when we'll have this discussion all over again a year later.

[@LeonidThe90sKid]

I see a lot people hating on Street fighter 5, calling it the worst street fighter! That’s ridiculous! Street fighter 1 is the worst. And it’s very closely followed by 5.

[@TVFGC]

People start at 2

[@LeonidThe90sKid]

@ yeah we usually pretend 1 never happened 😄

[@itsrumspringaa]

Because the games systems drastically change between versions , a chunk of people get really attached to the version they started with or are were good at because it’s how they enjoyed playing. I think every game has been great in their own right, but I say that as a fan of street fighter in general vs. as a fan of a specific street fighter

[@SirFingerLickin]

This. I loved 4 and hated 5 for example, so I skipped it almost entirely. I decided to give 6 a shot and I love it. I think skipping a generation allowed me to take a break and then find my way back to the series with 6.

[@fyfe206]

SF6 is the first SF game I've really put any time into, and I'm loving it :)

[@TVFGC]

Enjoy!

[@MrTerm1N]

I guess everybody just forgot, that SFV was the WORST street fighter ever.

[@finnmarr-heenan2397]

Exactly, don’t let these “ back in my day “ 12 year olds cook .

[@JoeBuckets119615]

Yall got it ima rock with 6 lol 😂

[@MDSoulTV]

Bro I agree. I am in the army and your last unit is the best unit. It was always better than the other one. Same rules apply to gaming not just fighting games. We are going to have something and maybe dumb something in every new game we play moving forward. Would it be a new game if it didn’t?

[@atari9477]

I think they mean they miss street fighter 4

[@JadeJackal4]

lol I will never go back and play SFV, even as a 7 year finished product the online is still GARBAGE. The gameplay is also mid

[@taylorbee4010]

They’ve been doing this since sf2

[@NewZen41]

The revisionism for SFV was going to be a thing no matter the situation, but the things people complained about to justify it over 6 have been rather hilarious and contradictory, IMO. We're going to sit here and pretend we truly miss Aegis Reflector corner lockdowns or when Urien could just do a little skip and a hop to get out of pressure? We truly miss Kolin popping V-Trigger and making you take guesses on which way she was going to hit you with the mix after putting you on the ground? We bitch about Cr.MK>DR, but are going to sit here and think that Karin's entire fucking strategy until she got nerfed was fine? Nah, we'll sit here and """fondly"""" reminisce about Balrog popping VT before the scaling changes as he tapped you once and deleted your health for thinking, "I'll just not block properly". Yes, we miss that...just like we miss Abigail. The list goes on, but somehow, everyone's talking about how "fond" they were of these concepts in this game whereas the only thing they whine and bitch about in 6 are mostly universal mechanics and some jank that persists in EVERY fighting game (Lol), but no, SF6 is soulless and stale...gamers (Not even just the FGC) don't deserve a bloody thing, man... 😂

[@kage1573]

I would say Street Fighter 6 is still better because the Drive system has different uses and is situational due to being being able to be easily punished with throws or jabs in comparison to Street Fighter V having the V System that had limited uses which needed a large amount of time to build up with little pay off which made the game more linear and solvable at the start which made people get bored with the game quicker and the main thing that kept people around were costumes. Street Fighter 6 isn't perfect but I will say that it is better game that has been more fun to learn and engage with in comparison to Street Fighter V.

[@zanomaru]

? but SFV was trash...

[@RushianRichard]

SFVce was really fine. Great roster, ost, costumes, extra's, mechanics that allowed more variety and creativity than sf6...

[@zanomaru]

@RushianRichard Maybe but it Took 5 years after the release to achieve that

[@RushianRichard]

@@zanomaru Sure, and I will buy sf6 if it takes a couple of years as well. I want to play characters that really appeal to me on the longer term, otherwise I won't invest my time.😏

[@zanomaru]

@RushianRichard same here, i'm staying on Ultra whenever i need some Sf action 😅

[@RushianRichard]

@@zanomaru Yeah, besides SFV I'm still playing and enjoying USF4 and MKXL as well. Alpha 2 is also one of my sf favs. 👍

[@GG-mn9ls]

was going back mostly bc i missed karin so much

[@greatestgamer00]

sheee i still be popin in SFV since ive been haivng inpuit issues and they stil havent fixe dit SF6

[@Jx3aBy88]

What conversation is this? SF2 had blanks and vega, meaning sf is wild chaotic fighting game and that’s why we enjoy it 🤣 only thing bad about sf6 is it lacks content coming from 30 characters in sfv

[@finnmarr-heenan2397]

Sf 6 has problems, why is everything so homogenous, why is everyone’s crouching hurt box the same size , the footsies don’t work how the visuals tell you they should . I swear actual footsies and poking with normals used to be more meaningful back when normal moves had unique uses and properties. Now every button is just confirm into juggle combo starter . Drive is also very homogeneous, it s all feels so same-y and the visual clutter of particular effects and green paint is obnoxious.

[@TVFGC]

That’s fine you have that opinion but you can’t ignore the other problems that others have. You disregarding throw loops, perfect parry, repetitive meta, etc

[@HeroicJei]

SFV was trash for forever.. Until the end. The end of SFV is better than what we have in SF6

[@StArLioNNN]

People have recency bias, SF5 is BAD. Sf6 is weak, the character designs are terrible. The art is bad, the music is overrated. GIVE ME SF ALPHA 4. MAKE IT ANIME! New sub btw! ✌🏾🐲

[@finnmarr-heenan2397]

Alpha 3 is the best game, and it’s probably the most balanced if u ban custom combo izm , a grove is the most fun and fair version of street fighter while still full of its chances to show off .

[@TVFGC]

Thanks for the sub! And alpha 4 would be a dream

[@TVFGC]

You not wrong when you right

[@GFClocked]

SfV was trash. Thank god its gone. The game i miss was sf4 due to high execution ceiling, these days kids dont even know what the word execution even means

[@natemakesbeats2138]

I hated Streetfighter 5 and I’d rather 6 any day of the week anyone supporting 5 is smoking rock

[@DrKaku01]

FGC fault for buying every fighting game that comes out without even watching a video about it, all the devs keep making worse and worse games in this era with dlcs and having all the tools to make a good game

[@elpib3407]

I can see people saying the old game was better when a new game comes out and doesnt live to expectation but sf6 is 1,5 years old now. SF6 really lacks something other SF games had EXECUTION if you see those sf5 clips yes the graphics is worse but the gameplay and combo's are just way better.

[@doublevendetta]

SFV uses the same 5 frame buffer window as 6. So no, the general execution floor between the two did not lower at all. Try again.

[@ukaramuslasher464]

Also the characters bro

[@doublevendetta]

@@ukaramuslasher464 now this is just disingenuous. I want you to go back and remind yourself what the LAUNCH roster of Street Fighter 5 looks like. Because it's... Not good. "But Street Fighter 6 is over a year old!" Cool, add the Season 1 DLC characters. Roster still isn't GREAT. Of COURSE the final roster of a game that had almost six YEARS of post launch support looks good in comparison to a game released 18 months ago that started from scratch.

[@ukaramuslasher464]

@@doublevendetta I js want Alex back bro

[@doublevendetta]

@@ukaramuslasher464 Lol that's fine and good, let's just not go shouting that SFV was this beloved gem with a way better roster than 6, because it had "that one guy you like" in it. I love Gouken almost more than any other Street Fighter character in history; that doesn't mean that SFV, 6, III or Alpha suck because they don't have him.

[@finnmarr-heenan2397]

There’s something so disingenuous when every single content creator makes the same video out of the blue, some real social engineering vibes going on here. Don’t take this as a salty sf6 player , 5 and 6 are both bad street fighters so I don’t care which one is played, I’m more put off by the feeling all these fgc content creators have a group chat and have decided what narrative to push collectively.

[@TVFGC]

It’s not that. It’s just the fact that you understand what your target audience watches and what the algorithm likes. Hence why many are here. We can only supply what the market wants. No conspiracy.

[@s_factor_sam]

Tbh, I really enjoyed SFV seasons 1 and 2, when we were still allowed to have meterless reversals. I had fun playing Ryu, Chun-Li, and Karin, and it kept my interest for far longer than 6 did. I only played 6 for 3 weeks and got burnt out (pun intended) by the Drive system. I knew the ramifications of the direction devs have been going in and I've been calling it right time and again. Time always proves me right. I'm just ahead of the curve, and I've been watching people realize what I've known and received flames for stating because a person could be right 100% of the time but nobody will listen if they don't have clout. I've must been munching my popcorn while repeatedly being vindicated, and now I'm getting a real fighting game to play with VF5 REVO, with VF6 looking promising. There's a reason I was given the nickname Dr. Sam in ShinKensou's streams years ago. When I choose to speak up, I know what I'm talking about. Even if people don't agree with me.

[@warezpl0]

Classic fgc, people talk, look at steam charts for sfv, it's telling a different story. Sf4 players hate sfv, Sfv players are gonna hate sf6. This is what's it's gonna be. I come from 4 and 100% prefer 6 over 5.

[@finnmarr-heenan2397]

I have played every game in the Franchise and I’m counting ex series and “the movie the game games “ 5 was an insult and 6 is clearly not meant for legacy players, it’s built to attract and convert non fighting game fans , as a fan of classic fg, watering down as a selling point on the box doesn’t excite me at all.

[@Debiruman1666]

To me, SFV is kinda like SFZ2-3 compared to the SF3 series : they may be the lesser games, but they were just much more fun than SF3. SF6 is just not fun, the Drive system takes too much place, it's not "Street Fighter", it's "Drive System feat. Street Fighter"... the roster is so-so and lacks characters like Zeku, G, Menat, R. Mika, Dan or even Abigail, not enough content for those who don't care about the WT or Avatar modes... and players shouldn't have to play WT to unlock stuff, I'd rather have to fight 500 matches to get a new costume/color/anything than spending 20 minutes in the WT. I prefer very much end-life SFV, just before Luke ruined it... SF6 is so not good that it even made SFV worse :-D I pre-ordered VF5 REVO (it will be released by the end of january), there's a probability that I won't touch SF6 for a while when it comes out... VF has always been my favorite 3DFG series, I couldn't play it for years as I don't own any console past the PS3, it was such a pleasure to play the VF5R Beta on PC !

[@brandonrice1124]

I miss Zeku KImberly is nothing like him she is a poser just having four character a year is terrible we should be getting six a year.

[@kage1573]

I can't agree because the Drive system has multiple uses while also being situational in gameplay due to leaving you open for a counter attack from a better player and if used incorrectly you and use up the gauge you don't have access in comparison to SFV's V System where it could only be used in the most specific situations and had uses that became stale quickly due to them only having one use without much depth. Street Fighter 6 had a better starting roster with more characters and better new characters in comparison to Street Fighter V leaving out fan favorites like Juri, Guile, Blanka, etc while having new characters that weren't that interesting like FANG and Laura or wasted potential like Necalli. Street Fighter 6 has other things outside of WT like Arcade and Extreme Battle at launch and adding new things in dlc in comparison to Street Fighter V which was criticized for not having barely any content outside of short battles or long time attack modes that weren't rewarding and later having a story mode that was poorly done with not much else while World Tour gets expansions with each new character added with a plethora of things to do. I respect your interest in VF but I think Street Fighter 6 is a better game with more versatility and depth in comparison to Street Fighter V being mostly solved in a year due to its restrictive mechanics.

[@Alexcobra861]

Street Fighter 5 still does some things better than Street Fighter 6, especially on the music Street Fighter 5 to the best music of all the license (after the best Street Fighter 2, of course.) And the final cast of Street Fighter 5 is my favorite, I love the old unknown characters they brought back (I still can't believe they're back Lucia from Final Fight 3 and Akira from rival schools, I was so happy and too happy at the time they announced them.) if I'm fiddling I would have liked to have at least Fei Long, Makoto, Elena , and Maki Genryusai from Final Fight 2 who was playable in the portable version of street fighter alpha 3, but really the final roster is perfect otherwise. They chose the best characters from each iteration of the license each time. the return of Karin, R. Mika and Alex, the pleasant surprises that Lucia and Akira were, and the refreshing novelties that were the characters of Menat and Kolin. Not to mention the fact that the Universe of Strider is now canon to the universe of Street Fighter with Zeku. The V trigger and all the other tactics and mechanics of the game. No, really, the game in its final form is almost perfect. if Capcom released a Super version with the missing characters, a second story mode to explain Neo Shadaloo (and maybe a third one to retell the story of Street Fighter 3.) And maybe to nitpick, to redo the story of the 5th with a better script, the original still had some clumsiness in its writing. The game would be perfect.

[@TVFGC]

It really sucks akira releSed so late. Wanted to see more of her

[@BajanCreation]

Sf5 is a better game, by far. 6 is full of trash.

[@Alexcobra861]

Especially on the music Street Fighter 5 to the best music of all the license (after the best Street Fighter 2, of course.) And the final cast of Street Fighter 5 is my favorite, I love the old unknown characters they brought back (I still can't believe they're back Lucia from Final Fight 3 and Akira from rival schools, I was so happy and too happy at the time they announced them.) if I'm fiddling I would have liked to have at least Fei Long, Makoto, Elena , and Maki Genryusai from Final Fight 2 who was playable in the portable version of street fighter alpha 3, but really the final roster is perfect otherwise. They chose the best characters from each iteration of the license each time. the return of Karin, R. Mika and Alex, the pleasant surprises that Lucia and Akira were, and the refreshing novelties that were the characters of Menat and Kolin. Not to mention the fact that the Universe of Strider is now canon to the universe of Street Fighter with Zeku. The V trigger and all the other tactics and mechanics of the game. No, really, the game in its final form is almost perfect. if Capcom released a Super version with the missing characters, a second story mode to explain Neo Shadaloo (and maybe a third one to retell the story of Street Fighter 3.) And maybe to nitpick, to redo the story of the 5th with a better script, the original still had some clumsiness in its writing. The game would be perfect.

[@zerowolfgaming1890]

dude this podcast sucks lol