The finished F261 Fast Cycle Route Tilburg-Waalwijk

[888] The F261 from Tilburg to Waalwijk was finished and officially opened on 8 July 2021. More information in the blog post: bicycledutch.wordpress.com/?p=22072

[@chicagobybike]

I really love those experimental information panels. They look really helpful. It’s such a shame they didn’t keep them along whole route. Hopefully they will be used more in the future.

[@johndumpling1896]

As a designer and also a regular cycle path user, those older signs were so much better.

[@jameshay884]

I’m not Dutch, but I agree that the Netherlands is decades ahead in solving a huge number of human transportation problems through clear thinking, on, followed by actively constructing, cycling infrastructure. What a civilized country. Leading the sensible, affordable, and let’s face it, the most fun way forward out of this current situation where cities are overwhelmed by cars. Hooray for the Netherlands !

[@coastaku1954]

If anyone tries to do this in Canada, they will be met with angry motorists who claim they are wasting money, pandering to cyclists, and getting in the way of cars, oh, and the classic COMMIE!!! It's times like these where I feel ashamed to be from Canada

[@mariadebake5483]

@@coastaku1954 As a Dutchie it's almost impossible to imagine such a terrible mentality

[@coastaku1954]

@@mariadebake5483 Seriously, look up any article about Cycling from the Torontonian news and blog: Blog T.O. and read the comments from people pissed cause they dare give Cyclists a lane, even if it's a painted bicycle gutter

[@mariadebake5483]

@@coastaku1954 Oh I do believe you! It's just I can't imagine a mentality like that, to feel like that

[@2009heyhow]

@@coastaku1954 Well, that's why the roads are seperated over here. If that is done in Canada more often as well they don't anoy each other on the road. Besides, almost every adult Dutchie has both a bicycle and a car (sometimes North Americans claim that we are car free which is a weird thing to say). So therefore we understand each other because we all use both forms of tranportation on a daily or weekly basis.

[@halleradam]

Meanwhile today in Raleigh, a monster truck cut me off walking in a crosswalk followed by an SUV driver screaming obscenities. The USA has issues.

[@PropagandasaurusRex]

Don't underestimate the importance of screaming obscenities in traffic.

[@shaunmckenzie5509]

The US is a giant dystopian hellhole

[@saulponcedeleon7266]

After watching so many of your videos, last week I finally visite the Netherlands. Just amazed. Cycling is safe everywhere, and the advantages are notorious. Quiet and busy streets at the same time. So jealous of you, I am from Spain and in my city (Valladolid) things are improving a bit better than before, but not as much as in your country with a national-wide cycling planning.

[@rjdverbeek]

It has taken us many decades to get to this level.

[@paolagrando5079]

The experimental signage was more clear and easy to spot even for me as a foreign person.

[@JustClaude13]

1:25 In Japan, visitors walk on the left when climbing the stairs to the shrines. Never in the center. This is the god's path, where the local gods can go up and down without bumping into people. Conveniently, it also keeps the people from bumping into each other. I like seeing god paths on the roads in the Netherlands. A clear demarcation of space makes the whole road work better. A very nice touch. i hope it becomes more common.

[@PetraStaal]

Op de fiets naar de Efteling. ❤️

[@rttm]

So beautiful! Nice and colorful. It's how all the cycle roads should be, all over the world.

[@Bertuzz84]

Exactly, it looks way better than those grey monotonous roads with a white line painted on them. Are the people who decide this just robots ? I really appreciate how the people who design the roads here grasp how important it is that our surroundings look nice and colorful.

[@srinip]

Beautiful! Gotta love Dutch engineering..😊

[@jeroenrat6289]

Being Dutch, i haven't seen these type of fast cycling roads, yet. More peolpe discover how convenient electric bicycles are to travel longer distances fast with ease. I guess with the arrival of fast electric bicycles came the need to improve the cycling roads for longer distances. Good video👍🏻 Makes me think....my bike has a 4cilinder, I should cycle more😅

[@jentulj9611]

The Netherlands 🇳🇱 has the best infrastructure in the world 🌎. That's why I'm so proud to be Dutch...

[@mdlouie]

As you should be. As a Canadian I am extremely envious.

[@mariadebake5483]

Yes me too 🇳🇱

[@coastaku1954]

@@mdlouie Ayyyyyy, shoutout from Mississauga

[@wclifton968gameplaystutorials]

I think in the UK we have better trains than the Netherlands with more variety in terms of Rolling Stock but in other areas, yes the Netherlands has better roads, footpaths and cycle infrastructure

[@jentulj9611]

@@wclifton968gameplaystutorialsprobably, to you have variety, however, the Netherlands trains are all electric unlike the UK with substantial stock diesel trains...

[@mariadebake5483]

I was born and raised there, so good to see those familiar places! And happy to still be living closeby. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else

[@siscarz2934]

So lucky you are.

[@michelsennett5375]

A universal signage throughout your country ( and others) would make a world of difference. I'm also impressed with the use of old automobile roads al bicycle paths.. pure genius! Many of your bicycle ways are wider than most country roads here in Norway!

[@-_YouMayFind_-]

This helps me with my anxiety. Thank you xD and I like cycling

[@emiliofernandez7117]

Same

[@leomoon6672]

Bravo am not dutch but respect to dutch people

[@RFGfotografie]

It's not always perfect here, but so much better then everywhere else xD

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

The national government should make a unified design for those signs.

[@dutchman7623]

Yep! And if all agree, Belgium will be next and the EU to follow soon... Both signs and layout of the road should be more standard. Small things like four big bricks or five smaller ones in the center do not really matter. But a standard like we have on all highways would be a great thing.

[@bramvanhooijdonk1185]

Your comments are seriously everywhere

[@Lillith.]

The older signs are much better. We really do need regulated bike signs. 100km/h is a bit fast I think. Another colour would have been better, blue perhaps? Would be colourblind friendly as well.

[@reueljames4914]

Wonderful video sir. As i said, i wish i also there... Wonderful country.... Regards Richard James New Delhi

[@juliusvdl2204]

Bout to ride on this beautiful thing tomorrow for a bit on my ride from Rotterdam to Eindhoven, I purposely planned a chunk of the route along this thing just to experience it.

[@juliusvdl2204]

Update: It was great! The asphalt was very smooth, the path really wide so there was plenty of space to overtake people safely and the amount of people cycling on it was remarkable for how rural some of the areas were! Stop signs were rare and and the waiting was incredibly short compared to what I’m used to in Rotterdam. I also just think the green line looks really cool and it was very easy to follow the highway just by the line. And yes, I did complete the 113km ride from Rotterdam to Eindhoven, what a ride.

[@nsfarm4610]

You are so lucky. I wish my country Oman respect more about people health and make roads safe for cyclists.

[@ahmedalbakry1943]

أغلب الطريق يوجد فيه غطاء نباتي من الأشجار.....شيء رائع

[@peter1062]

Yeah, well, that's easy for you to say ... 😀

[@dutchman7623]

@@peter1062 Drunense Duinen rechtsaf, Brabantse Sahara...

[@HerazNL]

Yes, most of the road has vegetation covered by trees.....a wonderful thing, like you said.

[@hendrikdependrik1891]

That's one of the advantages of living at the Rhine Delta.

[@etbadaboum]

Simply amazing!

[@davislinkaits6935]

2:00 "..that Belgium also chose." Why do I find this funny?

[@computerfan1079]

Nice to see some videos about my area, it's looking good. Shame about the signs though, they look great

[@Maxime_K-G]

Good to see more bicycle highways are being built, I really love these. Flanders is currently building a lot of them as well. It's odd the clear signage wasn't approved. One would think it is common sense to use bigger signs for higher speeds, just like we already do on motorways. And yeah, it's high time "fietsstraat" is put into law because for the moment cyclists still technically need to ride on the side and let cars pass like on any regular street. Luckily Dutch drivers know how to behave so it's just a formality. In Belgium drivers routinely break the no-passing rule and the police don't care at all about aggressive drivers on bicycle streets.

[@miraadi97]

My city bike track(approx 15km across the city and scattered) : We have big stopper pole of 1ft at every 20-40 m along the cycle path which is 5 inch elevated from asphalt and on one side of the road with sign just 5 ft every 10-50 m right on the intersection of road and track which hits a lot and pavement is blocked u can't drive smoothly on pavement and have to dodge the pole 5 in row and the lateral one broken by cars crashing. Mostly parked by cars and street vendors and stray dogs.

[@amcaesar]

That printed brick barrier looks like a million bucks.

[@jentulj9611]

The Dutch loosen the purse strings when it comes to infrastructure. You should see how ambitious and expensive our bicycles' parking lots are around our cities and towns, most countries will not even spend half of that on car parks...Dutch design is the best in the world...

[@hendrikdependrik1891]

@@jentulj9611 Actually, Dutch infrastructure is quite cost-effective due to smart and pretty efficient planning and public procurement. Asphalt with brick print is cheaper and less labor intensive than real bricks for example. Using the old version of bike signage is also a way to save money, because those signs get less vandalism and money can be saved on cutting grass and bushes.

[@DougGrinbergs]

Maybe bike community needs to be more vocal about consistent nationwide bike signage? May the force be with you! (;-)

[@KhangTran-sl3yb]

I'm so sorry for being a pain here, but as discussed in some Not Just Bikes videos, cities should have enough budgets to both build new and maintain existing infrastructures. How do NL cities ensure that?

[@axelnils]

All roads are re-paved every 20 years or so anyways, turning old car roads into new cycle ways isn’t more expensive than repairing them and keeping the bad design. If people can get around without a car they save so much money that the upkeep of bicycle infrastructure is negligible.

[@mariadebake5483]

We pay taxes for these kind of things

[@Michael_Hamburg]

Germany has something to do...

[@infj4w511]

That seems like chaos. I'd have liked something creative, like a place for roller skating

[@driewiel]

Dan moet je toch een fink bord voor je kop hebben om die duidelijke af te keuren.

[@donder91]

Tsja... Het blijft Nederland.

[@dutchman7623]

Er moet een standaard komen! Stel je voor dat elke gemeente andere snelwegborden zou hebben.

[@driewiel]

@@dutchman7623 Stel je voor dat alles overal hetzelfde is.

[@dutchman7623]

@@driewiel Ja, verkeersborden en verkeersregels. Dan hebben we tijd om te letten op alles wat leuk en anders is.

[@driewiel]

@@dutchman7623 Voor auto's is het belangrijker. Veiligheid. Maar gemeentes en provincies mogen wat mij betreft wat fantasie gebruiken voor fietsborden e.d. Met name touristisch fietsen. Minder saai.

[@jasperbenus8440]

Are there more of these fastbicyclepaths in the netherlands ?

[@Lunavii_Cellest]

There is one in helmond altough that has been planned to go to eindhoven for about 10 years now and nothing has been done

[@DougGrinbergs]

Any OpenStreetMap mappers here? Mapillary street-level image contributors?

[@nicoschprs4376]

Does the green line in the middle mean people are allowed to cycle 100km/h ? 😅

[@mourlyvold64]

Only you.

[@vincentjohnson3423]

So gorgeous! I don’t know how the Dutch do it…

[@marcvanderwee]

Hi Vincent, it is very easy... We give a road builing company the order to build the infrastructure and they do the job...

[@VixxieWixxie]

This is what we expect them to do with our taxes. Improve our lives. Why else would I pay tax?

[@dutchman7623]

@@marcvanderwee 😛 @Vincent Johnson, get organized! An organization can do so much more. First it will be a battle, to name and shame very dangerous situations and to force municipalities to act and change. The next step is to advise them how things should be done correctly, and in this way gain trust from consumer and councils. Than get standards about road design, both for cars and bicycles. That is the way we did it, and it is very successful in a democratic country where politicians are forced to listen, or make way for someone who does.

[@PropagandasaurusRex]

@@VixxieWixxie In most Anglophone countries taxes are considered to only improve someone elses' lives. That's why they hate paying them.

[@hendrikdependrik1891]

@@PropagandasaurusRex I'm pretty sure that's a global thing. Nobody likes to pay taxes. However, people refuse to pay taxes when the government screws up.

[@vfvf7688]

Amazing

[@koen9303]

Can you make a video about the F325 Nijmegen Arnhem?

[@BicycleDutch]

I can and I did, 6 years ago ;-) kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6TamJeGgZiZq8U

[@koen9303]

@@BicycleDutch Ik had h'm gezien ja. Is inmiddels een beetje verouderd. Die onderdoorgang langs de snel bijvoorbeeld. Die is gerealiseerd

[@BicycleDutch]

@@koen9303 Klopt: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3fKhp-paZKcZ68

[@BicycleDutch]

en de onderdoorgang kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zqi7ha2HgJ6cg80

[@koen9303]

@@BicycleDutch prachtig, heel accuraat!

[@kailahmann1823]

About the sign for fietsstraat, I prefer the Belgian design, especially because of the "auto te gast" line. The German design may fit better into the existing road signs, but often isn't fully understood. Cyclists often expect these to be completely car free and car drivers often behave like in a regular 30-zone and react aggressive, when they can't overtake. And nobody really reads that often long list of exceptions.

[@EulachGG]

Are you allowed to use your "inline skates" on those cycle routes aswell?

[@donder91]

I wouldn't see why not.

[@coastaku1954]

The Dutch invented Speed Skating (I'm an Ice Short Track Speed Skater from Canada) so I can't see why you wouldn't be allowed to, though I think it would be quick the challenge

[@jentulj9611]

Yes and also streetscooters...

[@driesoostwouder2996]

Depends on the signage by law, as inline skaters are pedestrians for the law and should behave as such, but in practice it depends on the direct surroundings. If there are no pedestrian facilities nearby it usually can be used when keeping to the sides. However by law you should use the pedestrian dirt/sand/gravel/pavement/asphalt path next to it if that is present. We know some of those are bad for those small wheels, but the law doesn’t care, so neither do cyclists. But if you keep up with the cyclists and don’t block them when they want to pass, usually no one cares either.

[@TheMaplestrip]

So in practice, it depends on how calm the road is. You don't want to get in people's way, after all.

[@RichardDuinmayer]

Efteling 🤩

[@F_Reduction]

Tbh I live there and I don’t need the signs anymore I just follow the path and I’m at my location. But for people who don’t live here it’s understandable to put those sign but they aren’t really that clear.

[@ashleymalamute]

At 2:24 there is a car?

[@Lunavii_Cellest]

That is a cycle street, a bike path were cars are guests, it is only done with streets that have a small amount of car traffic.

[@driewiel]

What's the minimum speed?

[@Erik-ou3tl]

none? there is enough room to overtake if you feel the need to do so.

[@donder91]

I would say 3km/h, otherwise you fall over.

[@09conrado]

How much time do you have?

[@ofjeworstlust69]

according to the green centre lines, max 100 km/h and minimum 50

[@peterslegers6121]

@@donder91 ... drie wiel ... = tricycle ... Do you really think a threewheeler flips at 3 km/h? 🤣

[@raaaaaaaaaam496]

Is there a committee banning signs or something?

[@driewiel]

Yes. They make STOP SIGNS signs.

[@HerazNL]

No, there is a law (Wegenverkeerswet) that prescribes what a road sign should look like. Otherwise it's not legal.

[@peterslegers6121]

There's a national road sign service (Nationale Bewegwijzeringsdienst) in Utrecht that makes all the new plans for wayfinding signs and keeps a database with all the signs. Their wayfinding committy has made an advice on how to design these new signs. At first there was a pilot cycle highway at Tilburg, which was researched in depth by a.o. Eindhoven University of Technology, and after that, 3 pilot signage projects (Mark shows one of them in the video above) were made, and researched by the company of Goudappel Cofeng. The NBd's advice was used by CROW (a non-profit platform of government and companies) to develop a new set of regulations that sets the new standard of bicycle highway signs. CROW conducts research into traffic, transport and infrastructure, develop regulations, and act as a knowledge platform that a.o. makes standard handbooks of how to construct roads and all their details. Several of their products are also translated into English.

[@raaaaaaaaaam496]

@@peterslegers6121 so thats why the way better sign get taken down?

[@wclifton968gameplaystutorials]

It's a standard set by the government of which all signs must abide by else it gets taken down. Here in the UK, all signs must be in Imperial mesurements otherwise it's illegal with the exception being width & hieght restrictions of which all new signs must be in Metric & imperial mesurements, Roundabout signs and other directional signs much be of certain design i.e. the text must be Transport Heavy or Transport Medium and a load of other rules outlined in the TSRGD which is a design document from the UK Government. Each country has their own standards or they'll use someone elses' standards i.e. in Germany signs must use DIN 1451 font, in Botswana and the surrounding countries of South Africa-Lesotho-Zimbabwe etc. must follow the SADC design standards and in North America plus Ireland, Malaysia and a few other places must abide by the MUCTD standard or some variation of it which puts warning signs in Lozenges (diamonds) with Highway Gothic typeface. In short, yes this is why the "better" sign was taken down and removed, because it did not comply with the Netherland's sign design standard and so it was an "illegal" sign

[@agaistin]

Car at 2.24, what’s the story?

[@RFGfotografie]

It's a bicycle road. So it's a road for cars, but the bicycles have got priority. That's why cars are only allowed to drive 30 there, instead of 60 km/u which was normal before. You can see this all over the Netherlands.

[@dutchman7623]

It is a local access road for all traffic, but cars have to give bicycles all space and stay behind them. Overtaking at slow speed when there is no counter traffic. Max speed for all 30 km/h.

[@sadisunel5764]

👏👏

[@coastaku1954]

How fast to people usually cycle in the Netherlands? I usually cycle at 20-30km/h in Canada cause I'm not a huge fan of going slow, it's a bit emasculating and plus I have places to be, even if I gave myself extra time so I can try to slow down and not arrive sweaty

[@sergewauben]

Normal city cycling is around 15km/h. Not mutch faster. Thats is on an upright bike in your normal clothes without sweating and no helmet.

[@coastaku1954]

@@sergewauben I too use an Upright bicycle with an 8-speed Shimano Alfine Internal Gear Hub and Gates Carbon Belt Drive, look up the Specialized Globe Live 3 in Blue if you wanna see what my bike looks like

[@koen9303]

@coastaku 18km/h especialy children on their way to middle school and elderly. Commuters between 18 and 50 Will Go faster. Since the last 15 years, electric bikes are very populair, which increase the averge speed significant.

[@coastaku1954]

@Fjodor Tabularasa I guess I just don't want to be slower than the 70km/h traffic to the right of me (We have new Cycleways on the side of our arterials)

[@mariadebake5483]

@@coastaku1954 And that's something that doesn't interest Dutch people very much! We don't feel the need to cycle fast fast fast. We cycle at a leisurely pace. Except the few who cycle for sports of course, those exist here as well, but day to day cycling is not about being fast.

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

Your g sounds like saying k while chocking.

[@mariadebake5483]

The letter g in Dutch is guttural

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

@@mariadebake5483 Stop it, and start saying a normal g.

[@mariadebake5483]

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 And now the entire Dutch population is going to do this? Because you say so? Besides this is just the normal g for us. What IS a "normal" g anyhow?

[@smarkasmc]

👍🏽 😊

[@peterjones3557]

Melbourne can only drool.

[@U2bCadet]

Yay, first one here.

[@vincewhite5087]

Nice flat typography.

[@มดแดง-ฃ3ข]

คือแนวคิดนี้เป็นไปได้ทุกครั้งที่รถวิ่งผ่านไปมันจะสร้างพลังงานไฟฟ้ากลับขึ้นมารถจะมีจานรับพลังงาน

[@fredcheok9199]

I live in Penang, Malaysia and the government believes in building more roads for more cars through the Penang Transportation Master Plan. It's very dangerous for cyclists here.

[@christopherbergh7409]

We will never have nice things in the US

[@Dayanto]

I have to say, I'm really not a fan of the use of green for bike paths. It's an eye sore in America, and I don't even understand the point of these thin green lines. They don't seem to really do anything useful (the bike path is already red) and are just ugly.

[@MrSvenovitch]

One day the last man and woman will be dead. And there will be no more need for cycle paths. Or anything else. It will be a glorious end to needless generations of human suffering. The Earth should be like Mars. Dead and peaceful. No problems, no hate, no suffering, no silly dreams.

[@Lunavii_Cellest]

Ur normal mate

[@mourlyvold64]

"The Earth should be like Mars". Well, it isn't. How's that for reality? Try living in it, you'll suffer less...