[THE FIRST DESCENDANT RANT] Ridiculous Monetization / P2W Characters Ruin The Game?

[@relevanttangent8442]

For Nexon to adjust their pricing one of two things has to be happening: either the game is days from dying or Uncle Nexon has been visited by the three ghosts of Christmas.

[@DyadyaKolya1]

😂😂😂

[@hashim4512]

Little précision , it's actually 23 times the price for the catalyst , it's 1.5 USD in Warframe

[@challitajoseph8408]

Irrelevant... You can farm it easily in warframe or actually farm the plat

[@fingasniffa]

@@challitajoseph8408 hopefully TFD adds a trading system like warfame would save it for me at least

[@mrdcramer]

It is actually cheaper than 1.50. I checked yesterday and the reactor is 20 plat, u can get 75 plat for $5. BUT you can get a 50% discount on plat ALL the time for just logging in. It will cost you 65 cents. I had hopes for this game during beta but those are all dead since seeing the monetization. Warframe to me is a better game too.

[@Black-March]

In Warframe you constantly get a 50% or more rebate on Platinum. Assuming you buy a Bronze pack that's 45 USD, 50% off makes it 22.5 USD. 22.5/1000*20 = 0.45 USD. So the realistic price in Warframe is 0.45 USD not 1.5. So it's more like 69 times the price of a catalyst. On top of that Warframe frequently gives you the opportunity to earn catalysts for free.

[@isaiahpotts975]

@@mrdcramerwarframe is leagues better but people love this simplicity that why warframe isn’t bigger this game is so watered down

[@SilentCaliber]

No fucking way they award you an “Idiot” title for using 20 Crystallization Catalysts😭So shameless. You will feel like an idiot for farming 20 of them and you will feel it even more if you pay for them

[@undeadinside3571]

They should give you a "dumbass" title for buying ultimates with cash. I actually considered buying a skin for valby until i realized how harsh this game is to F2P players. You cant even customize character colors unless you buy a paid skin!

[@i7zan]

I wonder who is the bigger idiot - the guy who farms them or the guy who buys them. Either way it's a lose-lose situation. You could say indeed an idiotic situation.

[@DiamondPugs]

@@undeadinside3571 You spend 70 bucks for an ultimate and you can't even color it. lol

[@SM-oc4rc]

This game is a huge short-term cashgrab... Game will go EoS within a year at max and Nexon will be a few hundred millions richer from all the lonely teenagers and CN/Korean men, who will then move on to a new coomer bait videogame that releases next year.

[@summer7603]

Paying for 20 of them would be idiotic.

[@thalon8553]

It's not a 6% drop chance. It's 25% chance to get the relic, which gives a 6% chance to get the part. Then you still need to craft it which involves more rng drops so it's a mess. The farm ruins the game.

[@Mr.Nobody88888]

Warframe farm is worse and time gated asf

[@bddbbfbdbjdjd6806]

i farmed allready 6 activators its piss easy 😅 warframe gates u u can farm everything on a privat map etc u cant do that in wf as far ik

[@technoviking2415]

​@@bddbbfbdbjdjd6806 you can farm everything solo in wf pretty much

[@rubberduck7196]

The farm is the game. Just go play AOE 3

[@toxic_vader3]

@@bddbbfbdbjdjd6806 not anymore i go into private and im still time gated

[@BaiTiGergi]

This is Nexon, the company that is famous for being fined 9 mil usd for lying to players for 10 years. In Maple Story they were changing the drop rates of lootbox items that give you a significant buff ( imagine incarnon weapons were a gacha). They were lowering the drop rate if u were playing constantly and buffing them if u didnt play that much.

[@UNGGodYT]

not only that, but also making sure that some combination cant be gotten ever, like if was riven, you can never get CC+CD+Multi at same type.

[@kylemenos]

It wasn't lowered it was literally impossible to get the item.

[@laesy]

Another thing is how they limit your inventory, descendant slots, equipment slots A LOT. Every single mission you go, you need to play invenotry management

[@ryuuka4383]

They shared the same inventory system with destiny 2 and still, 600+ slots inventory isn't enough for d2 player and this game only offers 150 slots is diabolical🗿.

[@MumboJumboZXC]

@@ryuuka4383honestly it’s reactors and component that will take up the majority of the space. You don’t need a lot of weapons. Get the mastery from the standards and then never touch them again.

[@laesy]

My biggest problem with it is the descendant slots, since you only have 10, and there is already 14 descendants, it will only get worse as they release more and more of them. The devs also like to put things into the game that force you to have them, like Enzo hacking, or void that you need all elements.

[@Lord_Phoenix95]

Let's not forget the crafting is limited to 5 things at a time. Which for a game where you do a lot of building is egregious.

[@bls4650]

You should absolutely not support this company. They were fined like 6 months ago for $10 MILLION for manipulating drop rates in their other games for like 10 gd years!

[@CarySmith87]

I believe it. There's no way a 20% drop chance item for Thundercage should take me over a hundred runs and I still can't get it. Lol

[@paramnesia9110]

@@CarySmith87 that's insane, they're probably lying about the chance because 21 runs is 99% probability. you should have multiple of said item in 100 runs.

[@lgiprodigy7624]

​@@CarySmith87 1. I dont believe you ran 1 mission 100 times. You'd have to be insane by definition if you still weren't getting it. 2. Iv crafted the thunder cage 2 times now and both times I never farmed for it. I just happened to see that I had all the items to craft it. If I can get it twice without even trying how tf have you ran some mission 100 times. Your definitely missing something. Not trying to shit on you, but there ain't no damn way lol

[@sinu9226]

@@lgiprodigy7624 fr most grinds just feel insanely long and it leads people to overexegerate time taken. i think i tried to farm for sharen's final 2 parts for hours but in reality it was maybe 5 runs.

[@lgiprodigy7624]

@@sinu9226 I had the same situation. Everyone complaining about how long it takes for that frayna part to drop. Felt like I had farmed for an hour or 2. In reality it was 5 runs of the mission. Which I will admit can just be decent RNG. However people are completely misunderstanding how drop rate percentages work. Even on this thread there's a guy saying since its a 20% drop chance it should be guaranteed after 5 or 6 runs. That's not how it works at all.

[@lordsincross]

The warframe catalyst is weapon specific. The energy activator is for the weapon type. Use a catalyst on your kuva bhramma, delete it and pick another one, do you need another catalyst ? Yes. Use an energy activator on a rifle, delete it and pick up another one, you'll realize you don't need another activator... it's more expensive but also several times better than the catalysts.

[@warchildsilver]

Nexon has perfected how to implement the Gambler's "Near Miss" psychology, most often used in slot machines. This is also the same company who patented the system for dynamic drop chance - and subsequently got sued by the Korean FTC for bad consumer practices - and lost.

[@cptfarzkizz8823]

Nexon gave the American ftc a reach around,and they enjoyed it . 😮😢😂

[@OMT-hl7rh]

Man, me and my friends are suuuper enjoying the game, and I hate it. Its like "i know the monetization system is trash, i know the grind is awful" but my brain just goes "shiny new toy, you are having fun, dont stop" against my better judgment

[@summer7603]

Yeah I feel the same. The game is enjoyable and very well paced, story sucks but gameplay makes up for it. The boss fights are enjoyable even solo is good. Im just waiting for nexon to give me a reason to quit tho cuz if they nerf my Tamer i will ragequit. I can feel them wanting to cuz that gun carried my toons to obstructor.

[@Humblemud]

I keep seeing people disliking the story, but I have to admit, it wasn't even that bad as people make it out to be. Especially later, it was kinda interesting with the Guide hoping that Humanity learns from its mistakes and so on. I guess.

[@summer7603]

@@Humblemud Yujin crying into my ear was cringe. Luna couldn't have been more annoying if they tried. But my boi Geralt... i mean Ajax is amazing. He could tell me a bedtime story and I would be entertained.

[@kylemenos]

Get an emulator and go play a thousand games that are on older systems you cant buy anymore. I promise you its time better spent.

[@Humblemud]

@@summer7603 Yeah, Yujin was annoying. Luna too. But Yujins comrades turning into this abomination thing was somewhat solid story in my book. Yes, Ajax best character. Just arrived at the fortress and boy, I was so happy. He's the highlight of the game for me.

[@miel307]

Haven't spent a single dime and probably won't looking at how predatory this game is. You know a company is greedy when the battle pass doesn't give you your currency back after completing the pass.

[@jordankibbee3441]

You get 300 of 500 back. But yes the pass doesn't give much

[@dinogabric8054]

Thank God we still have Warframe. Played all the betas, preloaded the game, jumped in, saw the prices and was out quicker than Gauss. Warframe spoiled me as a player, it is very hard not see these things in TFD and think to myself; why even bother.

[@undeadinside3571]

What even is endgame in first descendant if you genuonely hate colossus fight? Because i hated almost all of them besides like 3 of them. Genuine rage filled my soul as i failed the 27th time on the 1st hard mode colossus until i had actual chest pain

[@ripvision]

7k hrs with wf just glad we have another option. Pretty much burnt out with wf.

[@TheAccursedEntity]

​@@ripvision I know what you mean, but I wish it was another game lol

[@Mr.Nobody88888]

@@WhatThePheelI’m telling you these mfs are stupid I mean it’s obvious who buys plat and WF too most of the creators do I mean look at Gazz platinum mf ain’t got 200,000 plat from trading foh lol

[@nameless3200]

@@WhatThePheelExcept in Warframe people choose to spend money and in TFD, you have to spend money. The fact that you get an idiot titled for using 20 forma say it all

[@Gnurklesquimp2]

Terraria is currently 50% off for 5 bucks, years of massive free updates. I just mention this to highlight the range of value one can get for their money. And guess what? People like good value, it's one of the best-selling games of all time for a reason. It's so sad that this apparently isn't as efficient as farming whales etc.

[@bnashtay2278]

On what platforms? If it’s console imma get my friends to get it

[@Gnurklesquimp2]

@bnashtay2278 ah my bad, I think its just a steam sale

[@bnashtay2278]

@@Gnurklesquimp2 Oh damn ok

[@Reldonator]

I feel like in warframe, the only paywalled content I felt forced to buy, was inventory slots. And even then you can trade people for premium currency. Reactors/Catalysts aren't hard to get either, just timegated.

[@N0P0int]

Just think about how much forma and catalyst u might need and how ridiculous the farm is. I quit the game as soon as i realised this

[@bellsama6588]

Like I feel you right there man like the game is fun but the grind for those things are away to much and it's gonna fall off unless they fix it.

[@Ah-pd2sv]

@@bellsama6588exactly I love the grind but holy shit

[@bellsama6588]

@@Ah-pd2sv same but holy shit I deed they trying to put do warframe

[@MonsterRen]

Those mini games with the tombs are so annoying because if you fail you lose the orb and Enzo is a must have if you want to easily open the purple ones

[@loganharvey8086]

I was expecting a terrible monetization system and farms that push you to the cash shop. Nexon has always been ultra predatory. Pretty sure you have to pay to chat in Maple Story. The game play is good enough and the modding is fun but I won't be spending anything in the shop unless they make some adjustments on the monetization

[@coolrick555]

Genuinely curious, how is the grind so bad it forces you to the shop. Currently farming for valby, its easy and im mostly done in less then a day. Plus farming for other things. I almost have "ultimate" bunny. I do hate the naming scheme of "ultimate" legendary, prime, and exotic are all better.

[@cNille]

​@@coolrick555it's not bad at all, if you come from BDO or even WF, these drops are nothing compared to them, it's just RNG with no safety net which oh well, just play in hard mode and a lot of the drops are better

[@loganharvey8086]

@@coolrick555 I said expected not that it does hard force you to the cash shop. A statment of expectation is not a statment of the state of the game. Nexon has always disappointed me with their monetization in the past and they still do.

[@coolrick555]

@@loganharvey8086 im no fan of nexeon, they suck. I still will hold out trashing the game for when they mess it up. The monetization isnt bad, oh no the skins cost so much. Ehhh i dont care, it dosent hurt the gameplay

[@loganharvey8086]

@@coolrick555 I call out bad practices for what they are. Its not trashing the game to criticize them for monetization that will kill the game. If you arent a fan of the company maybe worry less about people calling them on their BS and just enjoy the gameplay.

[@TehEvilFromCA]

Welcome to Nexon games

[@Yamisaru]

I enjoyed vindictus for a few years but the rest of the hames are so bad

[@alexanderbabski3241]

Remember when you had to pay for revives in Warframe. If you're burnt out on Warframe why would choose a Korean knock-off version of it with Monetization and gameplay from 10 years ago. There are so many games out there that don't require daily log ins and skinner box grinding, games you could complete and shelve and move on to another. One of the reasons I got into Warframe was because it doesn't completely lock you out if your broke.

[@soksocks]

With this being said, it's good to branch out to other games that aren't similar or in a different genre. But I agree, I don't personally see a reason for most Warframe players to play a game that's basically 10 years behind of what Warframe has done already. Sure you can argue they might do something different, but it's Nexon. So I can't say for sure the direction they'll go will be the right path

[@8ddn]

the grind is so riduculous, Im trying to grind for regular gley like a regular warframe not even primed. and the relic drop rate is 20% which isnt accurate, it take about 10 runs to get 1 relic with 5 minutes wait time forced on for the outpost to respawn. On top of it, the part drop rate is 6%, like it is not even a ultimate descendent (primed warframe) bruh

[@merlin559]

If you set it to private and not public, you can teleport back to albion and reset the instance so the 5min timer is gone. Though sometimes that doesnt quite work and ill load back into a 30sec wait on the area or more for some reason.

[@uzakikena8294]

I feel your pain farming her. That fault stuff is bs

[@MrRafagigapr]

there are many sources of parts , the game is dumb and doesnt tell you a lot of them check one by one the parts that bosses can unlock , often its way faster

[@scannerbarkly]

A 20% drop chance means, statistically, about 9 runs for a close to certain drop.

[@austinforgues1016]

@@MrRafagigaprit does if u go to access information where your quests and stuff is it tell u where every thing in the game and where to get it and u can track what ur doing

[@BGLocet]

I don’t know where you got that 10 times the amount of loot thing from. The only thing Enzo does is make the vaults easier to open, the part about more loot isn’t real I opened about 50 ultra rare vaults on him with 2 friends in my group that were on Enzo and all got the same loot except 1 thing… now to get the Enzo specific modules you need to open the vaults on Enzo , out of the 50 opening I did my friend on Gley got 3 of the Enzo mods and my friend on bunny got 2 of them, I didn’t get any , and it says right on the drop info that only Enzo can get them so Nexon is making them not drop for Enzo’s but for some reason drop for other descendants

[@tvlkn9130]

You don't need 'every character in the game' to do void shards, if you want to be able to farm all of them yourself you will need a character of each type, so Fire, Chill, Toxic, electric and non-attribute (5 characters total). But you can also farm any void fragment just by teaming up with other players (just like doing a mission with others), regardless of what character you are playing (You can't get repeat rewards though). Hope that helps :) (EDIT) - also, Enzo. Enzo is kinda like Last Descendants version of Nekros and Limbo from Warframe. You know how Nekros gives you extra loot by rolling the loot table twice when you desecrate dead bodies. Or how everyone farms for Limbo because he makes doing spy missions an absolute breeze. Enzo is like that - you farm him so you can then in turn farm for resources by opening vaults. You only get extra bonuses from vaults (you don't get 10 times the loot all the time or any loot bonus at all for doing missions or picking up normal loot etc - only from doing the vault mini game). End game you really need to focus opening vaults and Enzo makes doing them much easier and buffs the rewards, so yeah he's a must have for end game farming. He's quite easy to farm for and unlock though for free. But that's his main thing, he's a niche character for that role. Same with Sharon - you can use her to go invis and infiltrate the outposts, disable the computers kill the boss and get double the rewards, thats her role/niche.

[@Thultann]

Just a little correction on your point about void fragments. If you don't have a character of the associated elemental type you can't get loot at all. You can't "join mission" by killing an enemy either. So if you're new/early game and didn't pick Viessa or Ajax (kind of Lepic but you can get Blair for "free" by doing the story albeit he's near the very end) you're locked out of those elements for a while. Bunny, and Freyna (edit, dyslexia fucks hard) being unlockable relatively early on is kind of ok. It's bullshit. I tried to join a fire multiple times but couldn't until I had unlocked Blair, and then I could join them on any character if someone else had started it.

[@locutos8397]

You need specific characters to farm, even if you don't want them, and they limited the characters to 10, and I'm betting the normal and ultimate characters don't count as 1. Also, Nexon has the patent for a farm-worsening algorithm, that makes it even worst to get what you want without paying. I'm on the same boat as you, just finished a mind-numbing grind for Valby, and now i'm going for Enzo... oh god.. I was fighting for a 6% drop yesterday and it was painful, now the farm is 20% just for the Pattern (and then 36% when you open it) and I'm already beyond the hours I farmed Val, it IS getting worst.

[@derpy_j]

I just opened 17 of the same relics on Grave Walker and got the Syncytium BP every single time, despite it and the Lepic BP both being a 38% drop. Sussy baka.

[@JereRaiski]

Go Hard Mode

[@toxic_razz6423]

The game is designed to force you into paying. Every step of the way you are fighting an up hill battle. While Warframe is a good game that makes you want to pay to support the dev team. Huge night and day difference.

[@Dante999000]

Well, what do you expect?? This is Nexon were talking about, obviously they have a track record for forcing people to pay just like Mihoyoverse in all their apps.

[@OnlySetup]

I agree, Im Legendary 4, and have never purchased platinum. I did buy the tennocon pass once because I chose to support the game.

[@Dante999000]

​@@OnlySetupI salute you sir for choosing the right people to support.

[@flo.2k23]

you dont have zu spend money, im f2p and on the last hardmode boss

[@toxic_razz6423]

@@flo.2k23 I haven’t spent any money. Still enjoying the game but you can’t ignore how the game is specifically designed to be annoying. Not so annoying you quit but just enough that you feel compelled to spend. The value of the in game purchases is inflated through bad game design. Why is a forma $20. They make the grind so extensive that $20 feels like a deal. Bad game design. The gameplay itself is good. But very predatory. I guess it should be thankful it’s not loot boxes.

[@praetormaximus]

I feel your frustration. Just fyi with the void reactors, if you are farming them in normal, do the void fragment in hard mode, it will triple the amount of void shards, then you can go to the corresponding void fusion reactor and open it several times. Also, generally the void reactor shard requirement will correspond to the void fragment in the same area. You can also farm the shards in other void fragment but they might not have the exact 2 fragments you need, with this I mean void fragment are not exclusive to a reactor. It is a pain however that it requires a certain element to open.

[@xMtF54x]

Monetesation needs work but ive been enjoying it lol

[@_Shackled]

Guess we’re one of the few peeps that have been having fun with it

[@Seven7swords]

NEXON published this game. They are one of the greediest game publishers ever. They ruined Dungeon Fighter Online global duting it's original release. They ruined Vindictus for me. And while I do enjoy playing TFD, every time I open the shop I am reminded that NEXON will sacrifice any game to nickle and dime players.

[@beej4392]

Thank you for talking about Energy Activators. $25 dollars for one is insane. $25 worth of plat you can buy 22 Orokin Reactors. Nexon stated that Warframe was a big inspiration for TFD I think maybe they should take a lil more inspo in regards to their market.

[@LeFisheboi]

And you don't have to pay for em either. You can get orokin reactors pretty easily yourself. And if you don't wanna then you can trade for it, sell a basic prime frame and your golden. Like I quit warframe a while ago cuz I just wasn't feeling it no more, tried this and at every turn I'm sitting here going "man if only this was warframe."

[@MumboJumboZXC]

@@LeFisheboiWarframe is calling for you. It’s time to return home.

[@LeFisheboi]

@@MumboJumboZXC Borderlands 3 is free on ps5 atm, I'm gonna play through that then, I'm 100% going back to warframe

[@raishijtenobles3103]

8:34 whats worse is that Prime Accesses (and other bundles in WF) come with a sizable amount of premium currency, so you're getting the prime + weps + accessories + more. The ultimate descendant bundles are much, much lower value in comparison.

[@cNille]

It's 60 for just accessories and 80 for weapons plus the prime and boosters. So 140$ for a full prime access set. This is for console I k ow on steam I can buy all of it in one bundle. WF is not as innocent as people are making it, they have bad micros like for instance you can buy most basic weapons in warframe for 5-15$ a weapon (yes you can farm for it but then it takes 12-24 hours for the weapon) in FD you can't buy weapons at all

[@raishijtenobles3103]

​@cNille you're correct in that warframe is not innocent, but I'll still take their monetization over TFD any day of the week. 140 for the prime access still feels better than 100 for the ultimate descendant bundles, despite the higher asking price. But hey. Maybe they take the cash shop criticism to heart, and actually makes it better than Warframe eventually.

[@AndrewChin-ck9uk]

​​@@cNillebesides the 12-24hrs, you actually get additional value from buying the weapon such as weapon slot and a pre-installed catalyst. Plus the plat is farmable. But of course I don't recommend buying weapons of course

[@cNille]

@AndrewChin-ck9uk Oh yeah I know but it's still a means of money as for farming platinum, besides the small events they have the only way I can think of farming platinum is through the player market which is pretty much flowing because of whales

[@AndrewChin-ck9uk]

@@cNille wdym by player market? I been farming plat by flipping rivens. Cheap unrolled rivens for popular weapons, spend kuva to get good rolls, sell for high

[@Angelo._]

Some people may not like WF being used in comparison, but we play this game too, and just because those people are ok being tools doesn't mean the rest of us are. We're going to make comparisons because this game is in the same genre as WF, with clear inspiration taken. Idk why people are ok with being screwed over. As a customer and player, you shouldn't feel like you're being taken advantage of. You should want better for yourself. Don't be subjected to being ok with less than you deserve. Being a free2play title doesn't give devs the right to scam and manipulate you into caving and spending money, with exorbitant prices that should NEVER be legal to charge. The comparisons and criticisms of Nexon's predatory monetization schemes are justified and deserved. Not only that, but because we want this game to succeed and be healthy competition for WF. But so long as idiots, as the devs even think players are, keep defending, and supporting their bs, nothing will change, and this game will end up dying. You made solid points in this video.

[@U_n_d_e_r_s_c_o_r_e_n]

Yea and didnt nexon say they didnt want to make the same mistakes as DE or something

[@FireballRKO48]

Good gravy you were cooking with this roast bro! I heard you talking about it last night, but I didn't think it would end up like this. However, good video anyways dude & keep up the good work.

[@Mr.Nobody88888]

Hey ain’t cook shit mf acting like Warframe ain’t got discrepancies and polished outdated ass 2010 graphics

[@Anhellsin]

You also forgot the prime bundle not only comes with the prime frame, the skin but it also come whit the equivalent platinum. In thefirst desendant your only geting the desendant and the skin but not the platinum.

[@marvinmetellus7919]

PSA you can get sharen in regular mission Using you get double resources from outpost by stealth hacking

[@juakored]

Yup. I agree, the monetization choices they've made so far are making them look like scammers. Now, I do appreciate that if you're skilled enough, you can get through the entire campaign without spending a dime. So to me, I already won. As soon as I hit a pay wall/ can't have fun without paying for shit, I'm quitting. I've seen a lot of people who've quit just because of how dogshit interceptions are, and I honestly agree, for some reason playing them on Co-op instead of soloing them makes then waaaay harder. To the point where I only got this far, because I was good enough to solo the bosses. There's just way too much shit that's unacceptable, and although I really enjoyed my time playing this game, I can 100% understand why people would quit within the first week.

[@hernanc5646]

It's a Nexon game, they're going to let the game die when they can't monetize Bunnie's skin anymore.I just hope TFD scares DE to improve warframe

[@Reldonator]

I don't think it'll scare DE, this game is making Warframe look even better

[@hernanc5646]

​@@Reldonator thats true I will never complain again about the Drop rates of warframe

[@jormungandr4690]

@@Reldonator Not gameplay wise. This game does everything much better than WF in that aspect.

[@Reldonator]

@@jormungandr4690 I haven't played it yet, was mainly referring to the monetization. Idk man Warframes gameplay makes me feel like a racecar with rocket launchers attached

[@Mar10K0ng]

@@Reldonator I've tried Warframe and its garbage compare to The First Descendant.

[@Zouna92]

Gaz... you are part of the problem, why would you pay a single dollar. The only right way to deal with this monetization issue, is to boycott the shop, leave a positive review with a non recommendation stating that the game is great, but the shop sucks beyond belief. A live service game lives off the shop and if they can't fix it they'll die. Buying ANYTHING supports their greedy behavior...

[@UNGGodYT]

want a simples example? in warframe everything gain affinity, if you buy or get an affinity booster, everything will be doubled. In descendant, everything has its own proficiency to gain, on separate booster and afaik it is not double at minimum. so warframe have one type of xp to gain while descendant has several.

[@valtdemonto3387]

well this has made up my mind I am uninstalling. I was already not liking this game. Also after hearing the devs got sued for scamming players for content that was said to be in a game and come to find out it wasn't. That lawsuit just wrapped up 6 months ago.

[@seriouscomedy936]

8:54 "they charge you a 50 plat idiot tax" ... Gaz's rant videos are what i live for... and im happy he puts Rant in the title so i can search his rant videos

[@randomone800]

I refuse to abandon warframe because i know DE appreciate me as a player and a customer thats something you wont encounter often when it comes to live service games.

[@technoviking2415]

Yup especially a company that was fined around 10 million for messing with drop rates 😅

[@thehomie404]

18:40 The issue with enzo isn't that he gives you 10 times the loot (you get the same amount of loot regardless of who you use) Enzo makes the "minigame" of encrypted vaults actually possible. He makes the needle in the middle slower, the area to click bigger, the amount of time you have longer,& it slows the needle down in the minigame (you'd have to see the minigame to understand, think DBD skill checks) If you try to do a vault minigame without enzo, 9 times out of 10 you'll fail & if you fail you lose the key that you used to play the minigame. These keys are called Code Analyzers & there's ones for hard mode vaults & normal vaults and they are a VERY rare drop from elite enemies (yellow bars) Not saying its any better, its honestly worse. Just clarifying

[@Leviathis_Krade]

the battle pass really just sucks. the phase exchangers are so easy to make that really they should be replaced by the crystallization catalysts in said "battle scam" players can genuinely ignore said system entirely and have more fun w/o even looking at it. for Gaz: do the guns count the weapon type or is it item specific post upgrades?

[@palethewise4685]

Dont forget there is a Backpack limit for MATERIALS which eventually will become full which forces you to buy slots, the worst part of this is that there is no trash button. I understand there would be a backpack limit for guns and reactors, but like cmon

[@ygalion]

To be honest i think game will loose attention soon as this dev idealogy is quite bad for game lifespan. Squirrel item... the fuck there are such items at first place, they know that game will not sell well later so they drop in maiden sets already day first...

[@HeshO-yi3hh]

Sadly once I knew it was a Korean game developer I instantly knew it would be P2W cause the terrible reputations of korean P2W games

[@JDCJR01]

Thank you for the honesty cause out of no where this all I been seeing from other frame creators and they all been hyping it. Granted I only watched a couple FD videos so far, nothing I heard has touched on these parts of the game😬 I heard Nightmare Frame warn his build was expensive but I thought that meant relative to the game, not literally STUPID expensive 💀😭😭

[@mayaka9244]

this is Nexon dude, i do believe there will be one day they are gonna reduce all legendary materials drop rate to 0% but still tell you "you can spent hours to farm it with 6% drop rate"😅

[@Bloodlust1138]

I found the best way to farm from the outposts is to keep teleporting to each area with an outpost on the map. I was getting the amorphous mat to drop on every two outposts done. Really cut down my grind doing this.

[@2020-VTK]

I agree with the energy activator and crystal catalyst on how their overpriced and it makes me worried about the longevity of the game as ONE energy activator costs almost as much as TWO PREMIUM SKINS the crystal catalyst is also overpriced but thankfully it hasn't been too hard to craft these in the game at least for me. I have heard that using Enzo is great for doing those precision code mini game things where he can give you bigger rewards and from what I've heard its slightly easier with Enzo. I've got about 66 hours so far with 0 crafted energy activators and I haven't bought any because that is just a ridiculous price for one.

[@walterrequiem6467]

I saw this game was Korean and I knew instantly that it has a lifespan of like 2 or 3 years tops. I dont think people realize how soul crushing these games monetizations' are done, they make the worst Gacha you can think of feel fair in comparison. They can start of as well as possible but Nexon or whoever else is running the show will start shaking you down eventually.

[@Vigilance779]

2 to 3 years tops? this game launched with 10 million players they’re bragging about their is now 120 thousand concurrent players 25k twitch viewers how do we go from 10 million to that in 2 weeks? This game will get stale in months

[@andrewphoto4750]

i typed "repetitive" in chat and guess what its a banned word lmao the jokes writes themselves

[@Anedime]

"repeTITive" It's a common error in cookiecutter auto-filters, it's censoring the "bad" word in the middle, not the word repetitive itself. Every game does something weird with language, hell, Warframe suspends you if you say nezha is a trap.

[@andrewphoto4750]

@@Anedime that being said the game is insanely repetitive

[@GamerSnap]

well also "fck"

[@undeadinside3571]

​@@andrewphoto4750just got past the 1st hard mode colossus after like 28 tries. I gotta do the next one for the trophy, then get the other trophies (10 catalysts... mastery 20 😭) a few others... and im done with the game

[@3ASY355]

@@Anedimeafk is a ban word too, found out when I was trying to call out an afk leecher. Got any other mental gymnastics to defend Nexon on that one😂?

[@MatrixWisconsin]

I never even had the slightest inclination to try this game. Once I saw it's development group, I knew what it would be like. Stupid grind, ridiculous monetization. Whales just dumping cash like crazy. No thanks.

[@D201-o4k]

People walking around with premium skins pretending they're either cool or rich 😂 they have no idea how sad they really are

[@emperor_prime2011]

I already heard that Nexon is notorious for it's monetization, but this is ridiculous. Seems like some of the devs played Diablo Immortal and said: "Hold my beer..."

[@noobxmastar6998]

Another thing some people don't talk about. You're locked to 10 descendant slots. While there's clearly more than 10 descendants. How do you get more slots? Not through mastery unlocks but by spending caliber and caliber only.

[@robertkunkel7099]

Warframe will always be my main. I'm only MR 11 in TFD, I haven't bought anything and I'm having a lot of fun haven't had any farm issues, but I'm also not close to end game yet. The prices do seem very expensive.

[@toxic_razz6423]

Same. I’m enjoying the game but the prices are way too ridiculous for me to pay money. I’ll just chill and take it slow so I’m not forced to pay. Whenever it starts to get anoying to farm I just log off for the day.

[@Dante999000]

​​@@toxic_razz6423Same here, the only things that I bought in Warframe using the birthday money that my brother gave me are slots for frame, weapons etc.

[@McSmurfy]

I did get Enzo and Jayber with some extra 'plat' to spend on a 300 character. This game won't replace Warframe for me because there is too much good about Warframe like being able to use weapons or melee and even just spam abilities and I think finally people will not complain about Warframe crafting times because it's not this bad.

[@louisserafin3369]

This game is designed for you to pay! They make an ultimate character OP with a sexy skin for $100!!!!! The minute they get enough suckers to pay them over a million dollars they will nerf Bunny. This game has a horrible design and filled with just enough to keep you engaged.

[@andrewphoto4750]

Gaz dont forget, you can only use color pallets on bought skins not default skins

[@nunya2400]

dont forget 1) they give you dye so you can buy an outfit to use it on. 2) they just got sued due to bad gocha practice (essentially selling a random roll item that didnt actually contain the thing you where buying and rolling to get). 3) I believe there is not enough extra slots for all the main characters so at some point you have to spend money if you wanted to farm every character (iirr there are 12 characters and 10 slots?)

[@mdixon4az]

I spent $5 in Warframe five years ago when I started playing it because they gave me a 75% off. That got me 1000 plat. Supplemented with trading, I still have over 700 plat today and frequently buy items I want/need. I will play through this story and likely farm for a while because the game play is fun, but they will never get a penny from me with these practices. Unfortunately, there are too many people that will participate in the pay to win gacha system built into this game that it will probably never change. A fool and their money as the saying goes.

[@blank98]

I really enjoyed for the most part the campaign. Yes it’s repetitive and grindy but that’s the type of game it is. Got to 100 and that’s when it hit me. You basically require energy activators to be at all competitive to be able to do high levels or the hard level content. Looked at all the KZbin videos titled ‘EASY ENERGY ACTIVATOR FARM’ First you have to grind all the materials. Ok I’m totally ok with that, yes it’s a bit tedious but again that’s the type of game this is. Then you get to the blue print You essentially need to run a boring ass 2 minute mission 100 times to then do a boring ass easy boss fight to get a 3% chance of get that blue print Get fucked. I quit and I certainly won’t be paying $30 or actually $50 to get enough Caliber to buy just 1 I have no idea how people aren’t up in arms over just this aspect. I would gladly buy Caliber and these energy activators if they were a fraction of the price. The battle pass is a joke and like you said it would be much better if they had at least 5 reactors in it

[@LunkvanTrunk]

thanks for the head up. I started 2 days go. Which level do you complete the campaigns? That is the point If plan to quit, because I don't want to farm. Or when do you reach a wall of difficulty?

[@blank98]

@@LunkvanTrunkonce all your equipment is level 100 you will realize to progress to do hard mode you need these energy activators to double your capacity on your weapons and Descendant. These are the bottleneck and they are just wayyy to much time to farm and if you want to skip. Pay $50 I highly suggest at that point, quit and move onto a different game

[@LunkvanTrunk]

@@blank98 thx man

[@aurtherpein8329]

@@blank98 it doesn't even double it, it just adds 20 capacity.

[@Vigilance779]

F this Korean bot farmer simulator I deleted this game after 60 hours couldn’t believe I played it that long

[@kiing_tchalla444]

They need to be held accountable. Gave us a free paint that u can't use unless u buy a skin. Thats where i saw their BS. They are baiting u into spending at every turn in this game. Its fun i love it but its ridiculously how much they are taking us for clowns this early 😊

[@FaithNo45]

Warframe is much, much cheaper by comparison. It's a nice game to play, but in English sterling a Warframe Prime pack costs £68, and it's nearly £90 for an Ultimate Descendant. The grind is unreal in FD. At least Warframe rewards the grind fairly.

[@zelge_]

As a grinder and f2p player, don't care how much power costs. Only skins pricing matter to me. Can't do something without and item, go farm it. However I do think a lot of the current players should go back to WF or D2. I've seen players absolutely not read anything in the game and I think TFD is still too hard for many players, and players seem to want to buy power and not play the game to obtain power. However power of it is a lot of players are too use to the ease of WF and can't handle not being unkillable and having to play the game to be strong. overall solid 7/10 game maybe 8/10 (Once this Enzo is done cooking and I can really farm def will be a 8/10 from my experience) I wanna add a edit: now with the MS servers being ass, items disappearing and reappearing from your inv (mostly mods I guess it was rare but happen to a few players think it's fixed now) how would plat have been treated. The about of players that would have made dupe money glitches or tried by now. We already use a "glitch" to farm outposts with no cooldown for resources. Second edit: I legit spent 30-40 mins farming for Enzo yesterday because I was told he's good for vaults, I haven't dropped a dime yet bc idk what skin I want yet and I'm mastery 15 making my 6th descendant now and farming harm mode solo for Ultimate Bunny (almost got all mats down just need to farm the brains than I can start the 4 part farm) Last edit: "Clown" is a title for doing void fragments in kingston so the idiot title is more likely for the goof balls out there wanting weird titles but yeah just noticed that in game

[@mikeD1234]

I was out of town last week so I just downloaded tfd today. The things you mentioned are the same things I’ve been hearing. WF has spoiled me. DE is as good as it gets when it comes to being a pro consumer video game company. WF will remain my main looter shooter for sure. That said, I’m going to give the game a shot and hopefully by staying f2p it keeps the game as challenging as I want. The big difference is I feel like I owe DE money after 100’s of hours of free play and I want to spend money with them.

[@Leviathis_Krade]

ignoring the most glaring ptw mechanics, this game is pretty fun until you reach the bride & if you havent gotten the right modules ranked up with Silion you *will* hit a brick wall.

[@TheRealNagato]

Idk, tbh I think the problem also comes from how modern people are wired. You don’t have to spend a dime, games like this are meant to grind, you don’t have to beat the whole game in a weeks span

[@tigerpride736]

Don't say that to loud lol

[@Gnurklesquimp2]

They literally ruin the pacing of games and tune it so you wanna pay... Warframe? Yeah, it rides this line pretty well if you enjoy grinding like probably every single person here, relatively speaking, it rides it very well. This game? What line? I see no line. Lines don't exist, you must be imagining things. Seriously, game design principles in these companies literally changed for the sole purpose of generating money at the cost of the quality of the game, you have to pay extra for luxuries like quality, that is the whole model. The game design courses they take are just psychology courses now, and not the nice kind.

[@VetriVade]

This game has rivens equipped to every gun from the start and you can lock specific rolls. People need to stop acting like warframes riven system isn't extremely predatory and p2w Warframe also used to sell us REVIVES, things can change

[@soksocks]

The main problem is it's Nexon. Like it's ok to be doubtful but again, it's Nexon. Where TFD sits, it's hard to tell whether them adding things will make it better and have more QoL changes throughout its course

[@pitmasterD]

Like it or not warframe has set the bar for live service/ looter shooter games and the right way to monetization. And if they get push back for overpriced bundle investment they're quick to addressing the issue and make adjustments. That's a developer i support.

[@principle6285]

Stopped playing the game as soon as I saw the devs confirm that assuming you have perfect RNG and get everything on the first try, it'll take 10 hours. If you do the math, that's 150 hours in the worst case scenario and considering Nexon is known to lie about their drop rates, on the average it'll take around 80 hours to farm a SINGULAR ultimate descendant. I'm going back to warframe lmao

[@earthnugs]

One of the things I love most about Warframe and what I wish they would have copied is that the weapons don't actually have item levels that affect their stats. And sure that makes Warframe feel a lot less like a *looter* shooter per se, to the extent that I even think it's erroneous to call it that, but it's a far more player-friendly design. Mods are power, forma and catalysts (relatively easy to farm) boost that power further. Primes have boosted stats and thus are sought after the same way prime frames are, but again, once you have them, you're basically set. And sometimes it's even worth keeping the normal ones for the boosted riven dispositions! This game just reminds me how good Warframe is. Like I have never appreciated the ability to earn plat in-game more than after I played a bit of this. LOL

[@netneo4038]

Man this game looked interesting, but this is abysmal, I can't get over how bad this is. Thank you for warning me before getting hooked to the game and feeling like I have to spend money on it. Sadly a skip until they fix their shit.

[@mikkoollikainen1589]

How do you farm for the good stuff that you need to progress in the story when a lot of the materials are still unaccessible to me? I feel like I'm in the spot I'm expected to invest money on the game. Devourer is destroying me. I need tons of a resource, which has to be picked up manually, is invisible in a lot of surfaces and there is zero pickup range. The game gives the player a finger. Sad to see they took everything that is great in Warframe and turned it into -- This thing.

[@lordxerlus3842]

Couple things I would like to point out. 1: once you hit proficiency 40 with any weapon, you can “Forma” it with a new polarity. 2: The ultimate version of descendants are only majorly aesthetically different. They do have some minor stat changes but not enough to be worth $70. 3: the pricing is outrageous

[@craigshelhammer5683]

Skins aren't the only difference,each ultimate char has mods that boost skills that can only go on their ultimate, not their reg counterpart..soon as I realized that and the catalyst price/farm I took a step back to evaluate whether to keep playing as I'm not a whale lol Figured this would be fun when d2 and wf were going through dry spells but idk,can't see myself doing it unless they change some things.

[@Geezer252]

Look, we all love a free game, but Let's be real nothing's truly free. Devs need to cover costs for servers, updates, and salaries. Monetisation, like in-game purchases and battle passes, keeps the game alive and is usually optional. It ensures we get quality content without an upfront cost. Monetisation isn't just about cash grabs. It keeps the game alive and kicking.

[@ModPhreak]

None of the 3 starter characters I have are non-attribute and about half the farm of the void shards are exactly that. But mig biggest issue is the optimization, sometimes it runs fine sometimes like crap.

[@blix17]

The vaults are also easier with enzo and on controller you need to hit the trigger on each try, which makes it WAYYYY harder especially without enzo.

[@raishijtenobles3103]

18:04 LMAOOOOOOOOOO (REMOVE THESE STUPID FUCKING VAULTS)

[@philgq]

I think the Laffer curve works against this game, certainly does for me. There's things I want to buy, but £15 for one skin means I think its too expensive, so don't buy it. Had it been £20 for three skins, makeup and hair bundle, I would have already bought it, they get zero instead of £20 because they are stingy. I can't be the only one who thinks like this.

[@trickyBasterd]

If someone with 300k plat and a billion credits has an issue with the grind, that’s a red flag in my book

[@LeFisheboi]

A red flag bro that's defcon 5

[@KiteoHatto]

Didnt mention that the colour preview straight up lies how it looks like ingame 😂. Congrats, you dropped money on red but you got pink now.

[@burntmahsoup6269]

Lol your 50 caliber "idiot tax" is misplaced. Notice on your purchased bundle it is not 0 priced but 50. It's the slot expansion purchase that is valued at 50 caliber in the bundles. You also entirely missed both of the bonus shops in the battle pass where they give you the option for you to buy which mats you want with currency you earn for completing battle pass levels. You aren't all the wrong in your views of monetization, but pay a bit more attention to detail please.

[@greenbeetless]

It isn’t an issue. Just don’t pay money and grind, everyone with instant gratification now. If you want to spend money to save time cool, but you don’t have to. If we didn’t have the grind we would stop playing… I think it’s fine, it just takes time. I do think they should increase the drop rates of the upgrade items, from 6% to 10-15%.

[@bewilder210]

I enjoy both game since the first descendant tests me more as a player than warframe. However, the monetization is stupidly overpriced and 100% agree with gazz here about energy activator, "prime access" pack, and the huge amount of power difference between someone that pay money and f2p.

[@JQDeathFromAbove96]

This game is a greedier scam than even destiny 2

[@muttnt]

We cant forget that 70% drop chance drops once after 10 tries

[@muttnt]

On top of that we have only have 10 slots for frames

[@MumboJumboZXC]

As far as I’m aware the void reactors are just alternate drop sources for certain things, there’s nothing exclusive to them.

[@GamerSnap]

Try it and like it (for me, there is a lot to like), but not plan to stay due to the heavy farming and not (quite) F2P friendly. I know it kinda weird talking about "heavy farming/grinding" from a Tenno, at lease in WF I feel I always get something in return. For the "Void Reactor" they should make it "random/rotate element" eg: After you crack the "Fire Void Reactor" it will turn (randomly or not) into "Electric Void Reactor" and so on. And if no one crack it, it will turn into "X Element" after "X min" Or player could sacrifice "X resource" to force it to "Y Element Void Reactor"

[@halieus56]

I ran out of storage room on day one and missed out on some boss loot. Already felt compelled to buy storage. Easy fix, but I’m paying for quality of life. I’m okay with dropping money but it feels so forced.

[@MitchellDavis-d3e]

They put the cart before the horse. They are new in a very competitive market facing well funded, entrenched competitors. They should, at this stage, just be getting the game as great as possible. Then, once it is great, get you for your money. Why pay now for a new game that isn't great yet? Why even spend time to become addicted? The greed should come later. Now they should just feel fortunate that people are playing and providing feedback. I am a huge capitalist, but I feel like I should just avoid this game.

[@argent45]

at this point, I'll got back to warframe

[@itzJuztThomas]

Talks about not doing enough damage on a boss, shows his gun and doesnt have the Firearm Damage mod equipped nevermind maxed out.

[@D00melf]

I really hope they increase the drop rate for energy activators to match crystallization catalysts.

[@twisted6gamer]

Me personally. If it's an ftp game and i enjoy playing it, i don't have a problem throwing a $20 bill at the devs. Sometimes, more depends on how much im enjoying it. That's what iv done with warframe for years.

[@stuartmccandlish4784]

The energy activators are a one time use thing and are the hardest grind but to be fair the crystal things are pretty easy to farm and they cut the cost of your mods in half. So the energy activators are definitely not a must have the crystals are which are fairly easy to get the activators are more a convenience

[@tonyhairs]

I haven't played this yet but my way of judging a free game is how much do you get out of it if you decide to drop the cost of a decent normal video game on it after playing for a couple of weeks. With Warframe that's a full Prime access and for new players those 3x 90 day boosters plus the plat are amazing on top of what you're actually buying. This lot sound like they're trying it on tbh. When I started it was Nova prime, it was after about a month and those boosters plus the plat kept me logging in every day and I still am.

[@javiderivia4224]

We juts need a mercy sistem, the 20% chance or 2%, 6% chance drop is for run so it dont stack the dice dont remember the Last run so in some cases the drop will never ever drop if you are unlucky

[@TickleFight94]

Pricing/quality criticism is fair. I think people forget what the first couple of months of Warframe was like when you had crap mods and there was little plat in circulation. It was a 250+ hour grind to have a half modded Nova prime and Soma Prime and not much else as a F2P player back then. And there was far less content than this game has.

[@shutit7949]

Irrelevant because nexon had 5 years to develop TFD so why didn't they choose to improve the game before when they have 10 years worth of inspiration from warframe

[@technoviking2415]

250 hour grind to mod a soma what were you doing😅

[@soksocks]

​​@@technoviking2415fr, unless they're maxing to max. It shouldn't take 200+ to even get a good build going. Like yes, I've struggled back on release as well, but from my experience wasn't that bad

[@nguyencaotri3879]

But this is not 2013, isn't it? This is 2024, and they were inspired by Warframe, copied a lot of mechanics. This is straight up strawman.

[@eids08]

It's just Nexon being Nexon. People that know this, the market is more predatory than warframe and it's annoying coz you will get an itch of swiping just to "progress" to push your character better damage. In the end, if people wanna swipe they swipe their cards. I deffo not coz I don't see the prices reasonable enough for swiping, nor the cosmetics worth enough to actually buy them.