The FIRST MEN of Tamriel - The Nedes - Elder Scrolls Lore

[@ryanrizzo4869]

"They thought humans were beneath them..but some elves took that literally." HA! LOL

[@pj5403]

I dont really understand

[@ryanrizzo4869]

@@pj5403 Its a sex joke, bud. He made a sex joke.

[@grefsteel3989]

@@pj5403 virgin

[@pj5403]

@split haven oh. Forgot about that

[@chrisrigney507]

The Nedes of the many outweigh the Nedes of the few

[@EmmettF.W.]

Damn! Beat me to it... *bows in respect

[@khajiitkitten5679]

"He got kneed in the groin..."

[@khajiitkitten5679]

The bread needed kneading...

[@hunterminnich3858]

Nedes: *exists* Random Mer: Hippity hoppity you are now my property

[@thalmoragent9344]

The Falmer and Direnni were a lot nicer to them, especially the Falmer. Say what you want about the Night of Tears, but we don't know the whole story leading up to that point. The fact the Falmer let them in through Skyrim from Atmora shows that the relations were good, probably until Atmorans kept on taking more and more land and probably started to become emboldened by their claim that Skyrim was their homeland. Not justifying those that killed all in Saarthal, but the Falmer were really lenient and accepting as a race of Mer towards Humans. No slavery, no keeping them down in Lower Classes in a cast system, nothing, just neighbors.

[@ignatiusvalentinez4184]

@@thalmoragent9344 the elder scrolls wiki literally says that the atmorans, after The Return, inadvertantly liberated the Nedes after destroying the Falmer, implying that they weren't as nice as you're trying to paint them.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@ignatiusvalentinez4184 Liberated the Nedes from who? The Falmer? They didn't take any slaves, that wasn't a Falmer institution. They freed them from the Aylieds, definitely, the Direnni? No, they didn't actually, the Bretons and few remaining Nedes in High Rock stuck with the Direnni Elves till the Direnni had to leave to Adamantine Tower, since the war had done a toll on their numbers. In fact, that war against the Allesian Orders was one where Direnni Elves, Aylieds, and even Nords had all grouped up to fight the Allesian Order, a Faction of Men... so there's that for you Don't forget the Aylied Allies who helped the Nedes in Cyrodiil and aided Allesia and her rebellion. They even stuck around and were actually needed to help make the first human Empire function in the first place. The Wiki mentions how the Atmorans thought the Nedes in High Rock (actually, the Bretons) in High Rock were the product of Falmer and Nedes inter-breeding, and that "they were slaves from Saarthal", or something along those lines, but that doesn't fit with what Ysgramor said about everyone being massacred, now does it? Nope, the Nords in that situation were dumbasses, that or they were most likely misinformed that there were other Mer in the province of High Rock, where relations between Man and Mer got better and had no slavery or torture or anything. Yes the Mer were at the top if their society, but given they came over with their Elven sophistication from their origins on Summerset, it makes sense the Direnni would try and he the rulers over the Men, who they simply had in their second and third class places in their Societal system. Even the Bretons now, without direct Elven influence, still have a similar system, albeit a few changes, and more wars than under the Direnni. Seems the Direnni kept High Rock in better peace than the Humans... interesting.

[@TheTyler211995]

@@thalmoragent9344 I read somewhere that after the Atmorans returned and the slaughter of the Snow Elves, the ancient nords kept some of the Falmer as slaves. That's how they built Windhelm.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@TheTyler211995 True, they Slaughtered most of them but yeah, they did have a small amount of them to build Windhelm and used some to be slave scouts to help them travel through Skyrim and forcefully ask questions about the areas like where the Sky Forge was. But yeah, outside of those 2 instances, most of the others were killed. The creation of Windhelm was also super brutal, a sad situation for my Falmer bois 😢

[@elric7415]

Fudge muppet has managed to create a plethora of videos on just the games and lore that we have, imagine all else they could cover with the release of Elder Scrolls 6

[@PASSPORTKING2106]

@@jeremyalexander135 bro chill lol 🤣

[@chrisrigney507]

@@jeremyalexander135 🤣🤣🤣

[@jimmygunnz5651]

Jeremy Alexander Why are u here? You are a betrayer and your lack of loyalty deserves a fireball to the face.

[@RWNetworkEX]

Well damn. Sega didnt release the best of games for a while until mania. Almost every gaming company experiments with different things. Bethesda wanted to try something new. Many did not like 76. Some did. Doesn’t make the whole company a train wreck. Besides how can you critique a game we haven’t even seen yet? No official gameplay nor release has been publicly announced.

[@AlshainFR]

@@jimmygunnz5651 There is such a thing as loving a game or a series as a piece of art and despising it as a product, particularly when everything that made said series great has been streamlined to a skeleton of a game and all of the original writers and designers have left. Enjoy pre-ordering your fully online buggy as shit TES6 still using fucking Creation Engine from 2003, with 3 schools of magic and 4 skills. Hope you consoomers get all of the 30 bucks emote DLCs!

[@pjijn6837]

After a long week at work, this video is what I really Nede

[@Gehrmanthefirsthunter7247]

r/angryupvote

[@benarmstrong6904]

@@Gehrmanthefirsthunter7247 r/wheredidmyanusgo

[@derickpoteet7502]

You receive the dad joke award of the week. As a dad I feel qualified to place this honor upon you.

[@pjijn6837]

poptart warrior I just browsed through that subreddit and I am angry but satisfied

[@TheHortoncrow]

🤮

[@dominickowalczyk8253]

TES is home for all of us. No matter how dark the real world is, we always can count on TES for an escape. Love you all like family ❤

[@lachlangardner2080]

well this is a whole comment

[@smokiimage1461]

Damn

[@grifcheese1076]

Love you too bro

[@maxb3248]

I'm not crying, YOU'RE crying

[@ryanrizzo4869]

Much love, brotha.

[@kimmarkkeehn1054]

Listening to fudgemuppet while playing skyrim is my favourite thing to do

[@BuffyPickle]

So the Nedes are basically the Aldmer of men.

[@thatguy-yn8ji]

that would be so if the aldmer were just big boy goblin people like the Nedes

[@rokturi]

dog says the n word

[@ceryler.4096]

@@thatguy-yn8ji Goblins and goblin like races belong to a different distinct lineage from the humans in the TES universe though, no?

[@achmadtitofauzan3809]

@@rokturi n'wah

[@baneblackguard584]

@@ceryler.4096 goblins are likely an offshoot of Mer, just like the Orcs are.

[@heavenbot]

"The Nedic people found themselves subject to masters who, in many cases, worship the princes, including those who encourage slavery, domination, and cruelty." Was it Molag? No, no, Little Tim the toymaker's son? Or the ghost of King Lysandus? Or was it...yes! Stanley, the talking grapefruit from Passwall!

[@thalmoragent9344]

What's this a reference from? 🤔

[@Scotttjt]

@@thalmoragent9344 The Sheogorath quest from Skyrim.

[@jimmygunnz5651]

Thank you Fudgemuppet for using ESO clips in your videos. It really brings quality to the narration.

[@JXEditor]

Maybe the aggressive Nedes exclusively went to Morrowind and were greatly outmatched, so we don’t really hear about them no mores.

[@OmniValor]

Non-chalantly obliterating invaders and then never talking about it again seems like a very Dunmer thing to do lol

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@OmniValor True. Hell, the Snow Elves tried the same as well, unfortunately it didn't work out as well, and tons of innocent Mer in Tamriel died since they couldn't fend off the invading Atmorans

[@realzachfluke1]

Shows those N'wahs right lol

[@XJonAye]

What way to end a long day, i worked ten hours of overtime today and i get to unwind watching my favorite lore channel, thank you guys and thank you Drew, always a pleasure

[@FudgeMuppet]

You're welcome, enjoy!

[@khajiitkitten5679]

Hate the OT, love the paycheck!

[@chrisppx]

Thanks, I Nede to know about this topic

[@schnackles6676]

I see what you did there, Dave.

[@kaiceecrane3884]

The Nord you know!

[@ReaverofSouls7]

Ha

[@Ashathefree8]

May you spend eternity in the fields of torments for that pun.

[@IrateFUPA]

🤦‍♂️

[@RWNetworkEX]

“Ive been Drew, this has been fudgemuppet, and your watching Disney channel.”

[@rhett5058]

*Takes out wand and draws Oblivion logo

[@RWNetworkEX]

Magnificent

[@sinfulmourning2780]

This dude always sounds like he's preaching at a Temple of Talos

[@rhett5058]

I always stop by and listen for a bit

[@sinfulmourning2780]

@@rhett5058 I used to try and threaten Heimskr when I walked by, but I've learned to tolerate him☺️

[@ipoopexelence]

"I have no fear, for talos is my ally and I am his profit"

[@TeeteringTod]

I can't wait for the decades worth of fetch quests in Elder Scrolls 6.

[@j.c.denton2060]

I love how I learn around 3-5 new things from each Fudgemuppet video.

[@flawless_Cowboy]

By the nine! The last time I was this early, Jorrvaskr was still in the sea!

[@Kenobewan]

FANTASTIC! The depth, the illustrations, and your remarkable voicing!!! Bravo!

[@crandleberrysadie]

Good morning Drew. Good morning for a Fudgemuppet video.

[@44CoReY44]

Im glad FM is going over these men. This part of elder scrolls really Nedes more attention.

[@ryhi5]

People Nede to know about the Nedes! I never knew I Neded this vid until now!

[@smokiimage1461]

How dare.

[@pelinalwhitestrake8195]

What I've noticed about the Elf Human wars is that the humans basically always win and its usually because the elves are cocky and egotistical

[@themaypole]

I've found myself back in Skyrim again, cheers for the continued content dudes. Your pod is the best.

[@ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски]

Man, I just love how we can have stuf like this. Discussions of ancient, long gone peoples by using literary and archaeological ("Preserved Nedic Wineskin" from ESO's antiquities system) evidence in a friggin' fantasy franchise. I love this.

[@bOnK_dA_cLoWn]

Have you guys thought about doing a series reading ingame books in Skyrim, Oblivion and Morrowind?

[@ceryler.4096]

Aside from a few books/series, in universe literature is exceedingly short.

[@abigailcurtis5052]

That would be SO much fun! They use the in game books to a greater extent to flesh out their videos but I would also like to see the literature and histories of the world flung down the rabbit hole. There is so much you could do with it relating them to themes in the elderscrolls universe and how they relate to our own. Funny story, I had always wanted to play Skyrim when I was younger but never got the chance. Later on I watched someone playing and saw the title “Confessions of a Dunmer Skooma Eater” and was immediately hooked on finding all of the real world inspired books. It’s been a love affair ever since. 🥰

[@iknowthatyougreatlyloveyou1613]

>Laughs in Cassius Curio

[@Esoteraeon]

This is a great idea! And then they can do an in depth analysis on the books too

[@bOnK_dA_cLoWn]

Sorry I wrote this at 1:30am last night lol, at least you guys had the same ideas I basically had in mind just written better haha

[@kendallhall7502]

Imagine Skyrim but instead of Dragonborn it’s snakeborn and you have to save the world from the autumn of snakes

[@thalmoragent9344]

What's the Autumn of Snakes? I mean, it wouldn't be all around Tamriel, would it?

[@vulkanofnocturne]

"My name is Drew, welcome to Fudgemuppet, CAN I TAKE YOUR STINKING ORDER?!" Strapping Young Drew

[@abigailcurtis5052]

Really was hoping you guys would cover Nedic civilization! ❤️

[@Grinnar]

I had never heard of Elder Scrolls until someone loaned me (without me asking) their copy of Morrowind. I'll always feel at home there, but I do enjoy the greater lore.

[@Longshanks1690]

_Need related pun._

[@hydromancer4916]

I see you in every comment section

[@pzyre9766]

I'm looking forward to watching this

[@Leaglestalon]

i know you did a video about the elder scrolls themselves what I was wondering could you do a video on the "prophesies" told from them and how they affected or destroyed the world as we know it thru ESO timeline. As they have been many read from the Elder Scrolls, but some were not always from the Scrolls straight forward.

[@alandonaly457]

Another great video Drew , thanks!

[@darrelbryant8632]

Even though I've played all, yes Mike, even your precious Argonians, lol. I still prefer the Bretons. What I'm really impressed at or in awe of is the response of you to reply to your " subjects ", lol.

[@Oreo_od50]

Correct me if I'm wrong but whatever Drew says he makes it sounds poetic af

[@Vandelberger]

I’ll expect the Settlers of Cataan update now.

[@christianoester8785]

I never knew that this was a Nede in my life. All my wants and Nedes have been met. 🥴

[@ericharrison7518]

Wow, how original. It's almost as if you saw the million other dumb jokes and decided to add your own waste to the shit pile.

[@christianoester8785]

Eric Harrison lighten up man just here to have some fun.

[@faeiger9215]

Christian Oester he is so mad😂

[@Raphentei]

I don't need sleep, I need Nedes !

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

Morrorwind used to have a Nedic population but the Chimer, ancestors of the Dunmer, genocided most of them, remaining Nedes were probably deported and expelled some tribes murdered after the battle of red mountain when the Nords, likely with regiments of Nedic allies, lost the battle. The Nedes of Morrorwind died off. The remnants moved to Cyrodiil and Skyrim. Eastern Cyrodilians and Eastern Skyrimic Nords likely have Nedic ancestors from Morrorwind to some odd degree.

[@kisa4748]

Literally the knights who say "Ni!"

[@gorge2786]

Ni**

[@Soumada.]

Fudgemuppet: uploads me: Story time!!!!!! :D

[@r.n.g.6514]

Sir as always a great video.

[@itsprophecy6002]

This cleared up a lot of the confusion left from other merethic era lore. Thanks a ton!

[@kjetilstorm3341]

"some elves took that a bit too literally"

[@ronanthedaedrologist4297]

This video is awesome. Would you consider to make another build video for Skyrim! Thanks

[@Jaymo00]

Is that armor set in the thumbnail available as a skyrim mod? :o

[@PersonGuy]

Bruh I read the Nedes as need-eez because I've been playing across Odyssey waaay to much.

[@afro_souledits2382]

I wonder what the yokudians was doing before the downfall of elves golden age

[@Omaviistheman]

Well, thriving on Yokuda quite rightfully.

[@rhett5058]

Killin lefties

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@Omaviistheman Eh, they were warring in Yokuda with the Sinestral Elves.

[@joshuamourning6650]

I was thinking why don't you guys play modded versions of some of your character builds like the thalmor agent

[@Camila-hj4rf]

Hello, you’re my favorite Elder Scrolls Channel

[@jackbrooking4754]

2:40 is that part of a mod? Or ESO? Or am I just forgetting vanilla Skyrim.

[@aysseralwan]

This is ESO

[@jackbrooking4754]

Shadra'ak thanks bro!

[@Xolcm]

Lamae Bal survived into the Second Era, and there is no confirmation that she died, so the Nedes may not necessarily be extinct.

[@Facelauss]

brmbly vampirism is a curse/blessing somewhat like lycanthropy, when/if you contract or are given it, it does not change your race. Ex. If a nord becomes a vampire he is technically a nord with vampirism, at base he is still a nord and his race did not change. Also extinct = all are dead Endangered/brink of extinction = almost all are dead. Ex. If there was only one panda left in the world and it was unable to reproduce, it would not be considered extinct until the panda died.

[@Facelauss]

brmbly being declared extinct when it’s not actually extinct is called lying no matter the reason.

[@barkasz6066]

I long suspected that this *needs* a video of its own.

[@jimmygunnz5651]

Im still confused on what differentiates Durreni from Altmer and the Aylieds. Are the Durreni elves still alive or have they integrated with Altmer?

[@vonfaustien3957]

Pretty sure the difference between summerset altmer, alyids and Direnni is strictly cultural they were all high elves you might have some minor differences in anatomy between them like the Chimmer did from altmer before the curse but on the whole they are largely the same.

[@jimmygunnz5651]

Von Faustien That's what I am getting from all of this. I feel Durreni were perhaps more open to change and cultural influences

[@OmniValor]

How did the oldmer make flesh sculpters? They just *Neded* them together

[@DannieDecentVlogs]

Great video

[@OmniValor]

I've found that the names of things/races are very literal to their function in the elder scrolls universe (Hist trees = "history" of argonians), and the Nedes ("Needs") are named such as a reference for their need to be introduced to the lore of elder scrolls as something people can more easily identify with (Humans) and let them see themselves in the story more readily

[@thalmoragent9344]

Well, how does that go for the other races then? Any other name connections you can make?

[@allisoncornell4378]

You are never going to see this but my dude your videos are the shit and also one day do a ideal fallout Hawaii.

[@Lord_Sithis]

Great video! Can we get more TES let’s plays?

[@KyleJordanGaming]

“The Dirreni(?) Elves institutionalized sex slave trafficking of all Humans, which was ‘not ideal’- but compared to the Ayleids, whew, now *those* bastards...” #ElvesAreJerks #YsgramorWasRight

[@realSaintJules]

What tree and weather mod are they using for their Skyrim?

[@yiasemi]

The Nedes?! Would you Adam and Eve it? I thought Kyne blew life into them them on the deep expanses of the throat of the world, that's their story and they are sticking to it.

[@yiasemi]

@@Super50ldier a likely story 🤭

[@Super50ldier]

@@yiasemi What do you mean?

[@yiasemi]

@@Super50ldier I mean I suspect that 2 years ago I probably mixed up Nedes and Nords. In fact I may have been drunk. Until you replied, I didn't remember this post.

[@Super50ldier]

@@yiasemi Stop drinking, it's not healthy.

[@Super50ldier]

@@yiasemi Oh, it's good to remind you.

[@jimmygunnz5651]

Hail the Tribunal of Fudgemuppet

[@shawnberry760]

You’re making more lore vids but no greatest Breton video yet?

[@skoobydu1364]

Bruh tes inspired me get into world building

[@PimsriYotube]

So where exactly does the nords come from? Did they come from atmora or did Kyne breathed them into being at the throat of the world?

[@ciaranmck4469]

Old comment they came from atmora The whole kyne breathed them on the throat of the world is just folk lore because it goes agasint the whole needic and atmoran migrations from atmora

[@ImperialsOnTop]

5:55 LMAO

[@ebsmith1102]

Might want to pull this video as we now know that the Nedes were literate

[@LaysWithDragon]

One of my favorite youtube channels only edged out slightly by DFF.

[@farqi.r]

Which TES Music in this vid comes from?

[@zosowon]

the raw-men of tamriel.

[@Iker..G]

5:55

[@kalvinchester4068]

Hmmm, i wonder if the Skaal are part of the Nedes, separated from the rest of tamriel

[@Daleksaresupreme1]

I love a good fantasy ethnography

[@FrankLeeMadeere]

How can you have half-human half-elf children? Doesn't the modern canon (Racial Phylogeny) specifically say that a child will simply take the race of the mother plus minor traits of the father? (I have the feeling the real answer is game engine and lore simplification.)

[@sephiroaone-of-nine101]

elder scrolls lore is often written poorly and without thought -

[@Distortion23]

It’s because of half breeds breed with other half breeds. Elven blood became so ingrained into them that they became a distinct race.

[@naraiceylob]

Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present. Quote from racial phylogeny above. I guess if you repeat the act (altmer mates with nede then produces altmer children with nedeic traits and nedeic children with altmer traits). Mate the altmer children with nedeic traits to the nedeic children with altmer traits. Do it for a few generations and you have altmer with enough nedeic traits and needs with enough nedeic traits that they are no longer recognised as altmer or nedes. Eventually altmer with nedeic traits and nedes with altmer traits converge as a new race (thus the bretons).

[@roflguy114]

Its too coincedental. I just finished watching lady of scrolls video about the nedic slave uprising yesterday. And wanted to know more about them.... Who are you, and where'd you put the thalmor spy in my apartment?

[@l0rf]

Have you checked the lamp with pointy ears?

[@roflguy114]

@@l0rf P_P

[@Saintamirr]

What’s the song?

[@TheCrystalEssence]

The yolk to my folk 👌

[@victorfilipow7081]

Yes more fugmupppet content 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

[@popeofpain6904]

This is what I nede tonight.

[@420-V.T.L-Machinist]

So arent the nedes technically atmorans if they originated in the same continent?

[@a.j.carter2294]

Yes, the difference being that the Nords were the only Atmorans to remain homogenous and thrive thusly in the land they settled.

[@Max-im3ik]

did nedes come from atmora like nords?

[@vonfaustien3957]

Its debatable and has a few theories 1 is they were an earlier atmoran colonization wave than the nords and are from atmora to start with. 2 they were native to tamreil and just wrote in the atmora thing to give imperial emperors ties to the nords for political reasons 3 both nedes and nords (as well as all races) were from tamreil and humans left for atmora during prehistory before returning to tamriel as believed in certian nord myths. OPTION 3 would mean common ancestry for the nede offshoot but would still follow either option 1 or 2 as far as having been on atmora.

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

@@vonfaustien3957 I'm 3

[@am810official5]

Ah yes, content

[@madengineerkyouma]

Send Nedes

[@soggy11]

GIMME DA LIZARD PPL PODCAST

[@godofsimps6530]

*Virgin Anime elves* : Race cucked beyond repair, Meant to be a slave race, constantly enslaved and screwed up by humans. *Chad Dunmer* : Very beautiful and complicated culture, "Hippity hoppity, Argonians our property". Kingdom invaded by their former lizardmen slaves, but were kicked out by their best warriors. *Thad Ayleid* : Very superior race to rival even the Dwemer, "Hippity hoppity humans our property", Their human slaves required the help from the gods, an insane demigod cyborg, a demigod minotaur and some traitors from their kind to defeat them. (so powerful)

[@jhay3966]

everybody be doin Nede puns but they don't nede to

[@pj5403]

Until proven wrong i will forever believe that mudcrabs are the true gods

[@RXTRUX1]

Setting an ES game in the merethic era would be awesome. But dawn era even better.

[@drustro]

there are ancient men in blackmarsh???

[@JazzyShnazzy]

Yes, In these Dark Hallways I stumbled upon a Treasure Chest full of Elder Lore! 😍 You are a Godsend, good Sir 🙏

[@mikoto7693]

Hmm. Should I play FO76 or ESO after dinner...

[@ethannewell9004]

Yay

[@trevorthecbdreviewer8056]

Not gonna lie I always use elf races right now I'm a high elf with a dark elf woman as my helper

[@hamzaferoz6162]

10/10 will Nede a Genocide of Elves

[@feliciastaldotter5168]

R u ever gonns make an ultimate guide to imperials

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

Nords are part Nede. But Nedes aren't Atmoran. Nor are Atmorans Nedic. The Nords came as a mix of Atmoran and Nede blood. But Atmorans aren't Nedes.

[@Super50ldier]

Yeah, and that makes them the cousins to the Imperials and Bretons. The Bretons came as a mix of Nede, Atmoran and Elven blood and the Imperials came as a mix of Nede and Atmoran blood.

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

@@Super50ldier the Imperials are more Nedic in blood and culture than Atmoran and the Nords are more Atmoran in blood and culture than Nedic. Plus the Cold Skyrim climate and warm Cyrodilic climate diverged the features of both as well.

[@Super50ldier]

@@noahtylerpritchett2682 Yeah that's what I'm saying, these two human races are cousins to each other and the Bretons.

[@Super50ldier]

@@noahtylerpritchett2682 Because the Imperials born from the interbreeding of female Nedes and male Atmorans and while the Nords were born from the interbreeding of female Atmorans and male Nedes, which is why the Imperials look more Nedic and the Nords look more Atmoran.

[@zio6055]

First thing I thought when clicking on this video who the hell are these 6 people that disliked this KZbin god ?

[@ReaverofSouls7]

Yeah, the dark elves are notorious liars sooooo