The Flash downgrade - Fights.

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[@FOF275]

I like how they went from being speedsters to just fast lightning benders

[@justinblake8852]

😂 no no just stop 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@e2d_rblx]

​@@justinblake8852Nah fr tho. It went from "Speed, skill, and control" to "Let's just throw lightning to win".

[@MP-vc4nu]

Disney SithLords

[@time2play961]

Nah they went from left right goodnight

[@anthonydiaz5632]

Everyone in the Flash is just Emperor Palpatine

[@leomolina1605]

Thawne: "WHO'S FASTER NOW?!?!?!" Barry: "Idfk we don't run anymore"

[@mtnybombs2239]

Best comment

[@narutoespb]

Thank You

[@Regentmax1043]

Thank you like honestly theyre just shooting lightning out of there hands like the emporor

[@enderduck4253]

@@Regentmax1043 writers don't get paid enough to take their jobs seriously, so they just get high and watch Star Wars every night.

[@Regentmax1043]

@Ender Duck yeah, after the pandemic they've basically just tried to shut the show down

[@ifelloff7164]

Love how the fight scenes devolved from intense and lengthy fights to literally just emperor palpatine

[@spung5647]

weird thing to copy

[@voidling2632]

@@spung5647 weird thing to comment.

[@xavifores4599]

Did you ever hear about everyone just getting bored and not taking this nonsense of a show seriously?? I think not, it's not the story a CW fan would tell u

[@jacorienrobinson4555]

The old fights weren't perfect but they were better all they really had to do was add more combat to them instead of them running most of the fight i mean a speedsters punch can send someone flying they should of added that to their fights and when they were running through the city turning every corner they should have collided with each other make a big explosion of power

[@BGilStudios]

I know right? It like after season three/four ish. All the cool speedster fights went EPIC to WTF was that and why are they using lightning blasts over their super speed, this isn't Black Lightning.

[@namesseif]

Flash then: mostly hand-to-hand combat sequences Flash in it's final seasons: "lightning ejaculation" 🥴🥴🥴

[@sakuradabp6400]

You made one of the worst type of comments in this video even worse, congratulations

[@e2d_rblx]

​@@sakuradabp6400nah it's fax tho, it went from actually skill based fights to Lightning2Win.

[@sakuradabp6400]

@@e2d_rblx I never denied it? Reading comprehension much?

[@paolopasaol9700]

Flash: Stand back, friends! I'm jizzing up a thunderstorm ⛈️

[@darthkaliath4014]

UNLIMITED POWAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@SPREET5454]

Flash: "Fastest" man alive Also Flash: May the force be with you

[@oneandonlysound3453]

@@tobsonasanya4765 No but probably did invent the useage of lightsabers and there general deadliness, as opposed to power rangers downgrade flash S7 ending a rushed, crappy arc with 2 seasons of prior build up just to have a battle with self-made versions. I think I'm just going to start pretending while S5 was still awful but S7-8 don't exist, and I'll think this last one if there's any kind of decent ending given S8's ending basically ruined a huge opportunity to some super shredder+meditation bs.

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@oneandonlysound3453 the ligtsabers was one episode at least. Also season 8 is ok.5 dragged cicada too much. Also barry fighting reverse flash would didgupt the city so

[@KandiKontent]

"may the speed force be with you" - cisco in season 2 bro was foreshadowing the shows downfall 💀

[@OVOJermey]

@@KandiKontenthich is why he was the first to dip out the show 💀🙏 but tbf Ralph dodged a bullet, he must be HOLLERING when seeing people shit talk this show.

[@superherobandaa3496]

Sith Lord 😂😂

[@sebastianfontanez1081]

Flash then: *believeable fights that people who move at these speeds would have* Flash now: *UNLIMITED POWER!!!*

[@anjaymabar996]

How about saitama and other anime character have unlimited power?

[@MWLE.EDITZ..]

@@anjaymabar996 I mean it makes sense logically in their respective verses to have that power however in the flash because of the initial direction they went with the show it just feels out of place and inconsistent

[@ianchoi4646]

@@anjaymabar996 Its a joke about palpatine when he shoots lightning from his hands

[@BL3H-]

@@anjaymabar996 one punch man is a comedy, the whole concept is making fun of an OP mc.

[@anjaymabar996]

@@BL3H- anime is mature. Saitama is not cartoon/animation. Cartoon only for kids n comedy.

[@declanblair2954]

This show really went from "The Flash" to "Flash and his amazing friends." Not to mention all the power ranger level fights

[@radbman5932]

I'm pretty sure even power ranger fights look better than this. At least I think the mid 2000s were in my opinion.

[@eskewroberts7663]

Power Rangers: Speed Force

[@gamerdude4465]

fkin power rangers lmao and yet some flash fans are still in denial

[@erubin100]

that's actually not fair. the most recent sentai, king ohger, has some of the best action of the franchise in years, and it actually looks much more expensive than this!

[@65firered]

​@@erubin100 Power Rangers without the fun

[@mr.handsomecoffeecup2406]

Went from "The Flash" to "The Flush" real quick

[@dubuniverse]

Underrated comment ngl

[@WhiteAreGarbage]

​@@dubuniverseno

[@Okay.936]

power ranger effects

[@alberto1583]

CGI is definitely important but I think what gave those early fights so much personality is the camera work involved. It gave so much ferocity to every hit and motion.

[@gibbsduhem1066]

Fr the camera angles and movements they chose then were very good

[@shukusama7549]

And also they actually fought and didn't just shoot thunder out of their fingers . . .

[@anthonyduran6387]

You're exactly right. Not only was the camera work amazing, but the story behind those fights as well. The first ever Flash vs Reverse Flash fight is one of my favorites. The camera work was well done, and had that iconic slowmo shot of Barry throwing a punch and RF dodging it with the moonlight in the background. The fights now aren't anywhere as good.

[@randallflagg3700]

Indeed, I remember the first time Flash used a supersonic punch on Girder, that was badass. Then later on Grodd... I also really hope that they do a good job with the new Captain Boomerang, Owen Mercer. His father, Digger Harkness, was a real threat in The Flash/Arrow crossover, and his 'rangs were filmed in a cool way. I'm glad they also brought back the Rainbow Raider, I just love Roy Bivolo's getup and haircut and cool shades and red eyes, dude just looks cool in a nerdy way, not sure how to explain it in English... Hey that's cool, I just realized that the actor for Roy, _Paul Anthony_ , played one of the 2 main characters in a 2005 movie called "Eighteen" in which his co-star on the cover and all was played by _Brendan Fletcher_ , aka the Arrow season 8 villain *"The Star-City Slayer", Stanley Dover* (that I didn't even recognize in *Superman & Lois* season 1 as Thaddeus Killgrave) Anyway I'm kinda bummed they're not bringing back the original actor for Murmur, but the female version looks very comic accurate costume-wise, let's hope they don't screw up her personality.

[@blacky8987]

nop the last one was so lame

[@nimishraje493]

Miss the good old days when I watched this show in middle school. Flash and arrow were the two most talked shows back then😭😭

[@disneyfan_1237]

I feel the same, but halfway through season 4 i stopped watching.

[@Springz55]

@@disneyfan_1237 season 4 finale was great bruh

[@zarpof3811]

@@Springz55 I'm sorry to say it wasn't. Everything after season 2 fell off a cliff. Season 2 had its issues too, but few and far between. Season 4 had its moments, but they were all too rare by that point.

[@nimishraje493]

@@zarpof3811 in the flash, for some reason there is always one or two good episodes in a season and then it just goes back to being cheesy again. I could be wrong though and I'm open to different opinions

[@Springz55]

@@zarpof3811 better than season 7 at least though?

[@DevinAswani]

Savitar truly showed how much faster he was by BREAKING THE FABRIC OF SPACE while running and carrying Barry

[@millicentgordon5427]

technically he was just running in and out of the speedforce but yeah it looked very cool

[@DevinAswani]

@@millicentgordon5427 I know that but only he and Barry have ever been able to run through the speedforce at will and use it like a tunnel

[@millicentgordon5427]

@@DevinAswani yeah

[@azizi6023]

I thought his name was vavitar

[@birb9425]

@@azizi6023 Kavitar bro...

[@reptilusreptosis6275]

Before: best depiction of super speed combat on television After: G O G O P O W E R R A N G E R S

[@gokuok516]

Nahh 😢

[@Ghostly_Cactus]

tbf Power Rangers has better choreography than this

[@zohoro96]

it was never the best depiction of super speed combat fuck you talking about?

[@briannoram5677]

@@Ghostly_CactusSadly you’re absolutely right and that is completely true. Which is very sad considering that’s a kid’s show and this a show meant for teenagers to adults. Which probably has a much higher budget.

[@Ripplistic]

“Best” lol

[@black_phillipe]

The fact that this series is still going truly amazes me.

[@Sconechoc]

It’s on its last season

[@KentVigilante]

Because it's one of the best shows out there.

[@gigachad800]

​@@KentVigilante kiss my ass

[@Darckrun]

@@joaocorreiamedia I understand your feelings and as someone whos biggest superhero is The Flash this series was never for me

[@rayvintankerson6818]

@@joaocorreiamediau sound like a mf tht finds the worst in things even when they good. Mfs act like being into comics means ur somehow not an adult if anything Thts immature asf Lmao

[@KOTSOSMC2002]

Everyone talks about camera and budget and I find those objectively legitimate issues as well, but to me the most notable issue with post-S4 Flash is lack of ambition. A lot of the pre-S5 Flash CGI isn't much better than post-S4 CGI but there was clearly a creative vision behind it. Grodd VS Barry in Gorilla City for example looks like a PS2 cutscene but it gives us EXACTLY what it promised. 2 iconic DC characters fighting 'realistically' in an iconic DC location with a strong narrative purpose behind it. Modern Flash has no vision. Standing around, cheesey one liners, underwhelming fights that are usually either lightning strikes or unimaginative out of nowhere gimmicks (like the lightsaber fight), that's the formula now every time. They are content with boring now, they don't care enough to make something cooler, they have no vision. Old Flash knew it didn't have the budget to make their ideas look realistic but they embraced it, they made it and it looked like PS2 cutscenes but it didn't matter because THEY MADE IT, WE GOT IT, it's not 4K but we got it, cool scenes. None of that now, none.

[@nazaedits]

I totally agree with you. I never cared that it looks like PS2, I care that it's a fight, a good setting and logic within its story. What annoys me is that now they only shoot lightning and if they ever show someone running, they do it with a horrible green screen and in an empty PS1 city

[@IdiawesKara]

man, the ápice was crisis on earth X fights, they fuckin made 5 team fights with multiple heroes work in free television show, they break audience rating at that time shame we lost that

[@SheikAshii]

I totally understand what you mean. The late Monty Oum was a master of action choreography with unique elements and environment utilization. If you haven’t sene them already, I think you’ll like “Dead Fantasy” and “RWBY food fight” both on youtube

[@KOTSOSMC2002]

@@SheikAshii Hey, thanks a lot for the recommendations, will check them out!

[@SheikAshii]

@@KOTSOSMC2002 No problem :). I forgot to mention “Haloid” too but that probably would have been in the related videos section as a natural progression of things lol. Really nice example of what characters fighting with all the things they’re known to be able to do

[@Anomalous1879]

Let's see -shoots lighting - had a energy blade thing in season 7's end -get their power from a force, one being good the other is evil Damn, flash became a star wars reference

[@Anomalous1879]

@@tobsonasanya4765 I don't really have a problem with speed force constructs, just thought the parallels were funny

[@nathanespino1240]

@@tobsonasanya4765 i can tell u have no sense of humor

[@deadpooldan9862]

Flash was here first

[@badconnection4383]

Don't forget the lightsaber duel between Thawn, Barry, and Godspeed.

[@_the_rizzler]

@@badconnection4383 He mentioned it

[@ajitsreepathi8013]

Even if you put 0:16 in slow motion, it STILL looks like Barry is having his ass handed to him for real. Shows how much effort used to be put into the show.

[@thefreeden]

For real, they could've just cheat it by making it a smudge of vibrating pixels. Props to them for actually making the beatdown readable.

[@danisflying]

Come on bro, it always looked like shit…

[@Shzzaam]

How are people convinced ANY OF THIS looks good lmao. I love the character but we have never seen a good live action flash fight

[@TammyBoy]

I miss when Speedsters actually utilize their ability to run and fight each other. Now it's just throwing lightning, flying through the air, and meditating to fight.

[@ninjafrog6966]

Don’t forget lightsabers. I genuinely can’t tell if I’m watching the flash or Star Wars at this point

[@lifewit.moe.teetee]

FACTS

[@ThorDude]

Kinda defeats the purpose of having speedsters in the first place.

[@KentVigilante]

@@ninjafrog6966 Technically DC came up with Lightsabers before starwars, speedsters have that ability in the comics too

[@raymundangelorobles3774]

​@@KentVigilante Now that scene makes much more sense.

[@DFE-Productions]

I really miss fights like how they were before, I remember The Reverse Flash fought Flash, Arrow and Firestorm. must have been the most exciting thing ever.

[@ademon4908]

Still the best fight of all the arrowverse

[@hackerninjaexe5791]

Now:LIGHTSABERS!!!!

[@bumblebeefilms4072]

Yea but still the lightsaber fight was probably the best fight out of them all in the new versions. Seriously all they do in the new versions is use a lightning bolt to fight, there is no actual combat

[@bumblebeefilms4072]

@@tobsonasanya4765 one of the best fights after season 5

[@DFE-Productions]

@@bumblebeefilms4072the lightsabers were surely better than the season 8 running around but still not a great thing for sure.

[@jjosiah1010]

Thats an excellent point. Even flash vs arrow had more hand to hand combat. He would be moving fast around him but still hitting him and dodging his swings and punches. With the last fight of the four speedsters vs thawne it should have been more like the fight from eternals with Makkari and Ikaris

[@fade5609]

Am I the only one who liked the old suits better than the new ones?

[@packedentertainment2866]

@@fade5609 no, you aren’t

[@danielsemakula1526]

​@@fade5609 not to mention the actors got kinda fat so they kinda look even weirder

[@Shockkings0714]

@@fade5609 New ones are more comic accurate

[@DelothVyrr]

@@Shockkings0714 And that works fine in a media like comics, but in a live action show the more realistic suits just fit the medium better. The old suits were still clearly recognizable as the flash/reverse flash suits, but also felt grounded in the real world.

[@frostedhams]

The downgrade was something I had never seen before on a show. It went from a pretty good superhero show to Power rangers

[@dylanhudec979]

Never compare Power Rangers to this garbage

[@antenym8947]

The flash was never actually good (watch madvocate) but the earlier seasons were still better than the later though.

[@Curt1813]

​@@antenym8947Don't let other people convince you that a show is bad. His video makes some great points but it shouldn't take away from your enjoyment.

[@kojoattah3987]

⁠@@Curt1813Consume product 🤖

[@Curt1813]

@@kojoattah3987 Where in my reply did I even leave an iota of favor for this show? I merely said that no one should make their final judgement from a youtuber's video. Congrats for making the writers look smart with your surface level take.

[@ProjektTaku]

Barry vs reverse flash: Emotional fight that was well built up and incorporated speed into it nicely Barry vs zoom: Rawest fight in the show, really felt like barry was going to die Barry vs savitar: Cleanest fight ever, so satisfying watching savitar run in and out of the speed force and throw barry around Every fight afterwards: *U N L I M I T E D P O W E R*

[@ignaciomotion]

What's a savitar?

[@khinzaw77]

@@ignaciomotion Big armored guy.

[@EditsbyToto]

@@tvguy61 Talk no Jutsu

[@ProjektTaku]

@@cable7763 wydm?

[@Elazul2k]

After Savitar is when I left... this is super accurate haha this show got bad.

[@Scottymuse44]

I really hope in Season 9 they will bring back the old fist fighting and all that stuff. Hopefully there can be a really big fight between Thawne and Barry in Season 9 where they chase each other all around the city, actual fighting each other instead of just standing back throwing lightning.

[@JimmyyJimmyy]

And with the story…like season 1 beside then a good fight

[@Minicario]

Screw the city imagine that start running so fast they chase each other around the world, or even across time.

[@fullsenders9250]

@@Minicario Yeah and make it so they fr cut loose instead of going speed of a mcdonalds employee

[@TheCursedCat1927]

@@tobsonasanya4765 Trust me, as an ex-employee, it's very accurate.

[@collinqx]

@user-ho3ng2oq2y why are you so pissed

[@andrewp.stewart4585]

This is so accurate. All the speedsters like to do nowadays is run around their opponents and throw lightning at them as if it’s their only effective attack to execute, and it’s so annoying.

[@frogsalesman]

@@tobsonasanya4765 It would help if the other things he did were that memorable lol. They focus way too much on lightning throwing now

[@frogsalesman]

@@tobsonasanya4765 But where are the speedster fights with the amazing shots and effects, the scenes that helped make the earlier seasons so good? They focus way too much on lightning, despite the fact it's clearly meant to be a secondary power.

[@theflash8525]

Zoom was immune to that bs lol he caught a bolt of lightning and threw it back at Barry 😆 someone needs to teach Barry that lesson again

[@AlphaNiner-yk8kh]

And also Barry can literally generate enough to product lightning while standing still (like how he destroyed Caitlin's lab) so like why is he even running around villains anymore?

[@Callum6163]

Remember the first supersonic punch, shame to see how the fights seem to have just been made to sit in the back

[@lukhw1n657]

Palpatine somewhere far far away: "I sense a great disturbance of someone abusing my moveset."

[@GeorgeDCowley]

He's back _again?_

[@Dondon-wt5mw]

After so many seasons, savitar still feels like he’s the fastest speedster we’ve seen in the show, they haven’t managed to capture how fast barry or anyone else really is.

[@kyrus7422]

aaand while using an armor that looks REALLY heavy 💀

[@Vlaax_]

people have been saying it's because he could access the speedforce and create this portal to travel through dimensions and certain points in time that made him look so fast. may be true, he was very fast at that time anyway, and the scene was quite well done nonetheless.

[@redhood1426]

​@@Vlaax_ I think he could only do the portal thing because he was stuck in the speedforce,it would explain why he didn't really use it after he got out.Though i haven't seen s3 since it aired,so i could very likely be wrong.

[@redhood1426]

Still the last actually good villain.Sure the newer ones have a few good moments here and there,but to me Savitar was the last one to actually FEEL like a threat.

[@Vlaax_]

@@redhood1426 indeed

[@knull416]

Flash fights before: *Running around the city and having basically a race and fighting at certain points* Flash fights now: *Uses the dark side of the force to cast a lightning throw like Emperor Palpatine*

[@knull416]

@@tobsonasanya4765 yeah but even in speedster fights now all they use is lightning throw and fucking lightsabers

[@vomilksined8047]

😂😂

[@axyspianostudio]

then: 😠✊🤜🤜🤛🤛😠↔️↕️🔃⬆️⬇️⬆️🔃↔️↕️⬆️↔️🔃↕️⬆️ now: 😐🖐️⚡ ⚡🖐️😐

[@PirateKingBuggy]

Savitar vs Barry was peak, not only was savitar going to kill iris he took Barry cross country whilst throwing hands

[@TopTap080]

From speedster to palpatine

[@xaviermm5506]

This is literally what I was thinking while watching that lmao

[@dudethedude1220]

The Arrowverse got so big thanks to the studio’s clever strats to make such a low budget so enjoyable. Now it truly feels like it’s budget.

[@TheGamingWraith]

Need a villian as brutal as zoom to come for the last season

[@jordanicaly1393]

Maybe Red Death if we are lucky

[@xiongbreeze]

@@tobsonasanya4765 powerful u say when next season he was faster then thawne after that he get beat by sum dude with no power the next season lol

[@xiongbreeze]

@@tobsonasanya4765 but forgetting about red death

[@Luiz.325]

@@tobsonasanya4765 Despero and Deathstorm can't compare to Zoom's brutality. Not even close.

[@Luiz.325]

@@tobsonasanya4765 Wow, there was a 5 second scene of Deathstorm clapping and burning some people and then the camera changes focus. Much more brutal than Zoom crushing The Flash's spine and dragging him across town like he was nothing.

[@viddykhaos2896]

I like how Barry is punched so hard in the back that you hear bones crack, and the reaction from Cisco and Caitlin is as if they just lost a game of Smash Bros. Anyhow, the fights degraded horribly.

[@6ix_godtrill95]

I liked how for Savitar he was running so fast it looked like he was going in slow motion. I’m not sure it that was intentional or not but to me that was pretty cool

[@russsandhu6030]

It was actually just him going through the speed force. He wasn’t running that fast

[@natchu96]

Well it was at least fast enough that it looked like rapid teleporting on the tracking sensors...

[@triple-d2640]

Same as Synderverse Flash

[@Cerran032]

⁠@@russsandhu6030good sir, how is mach 94 “not that fast?”

[@DaikhanYT]

@@Cerran032 He ran much faster than that, he constantly went into the speedforce.

[@nazaedits]

The degradation of the suits was a deliberate decision, because if they didn't have money for new and better suits they would have kept the old ones. I think they wanted to innovate for something better but it didn't work out

[@omega7057]

You gotta be blind to not see that it's worse though

[@omega7057]

@@tobsonasanya4765 which is not the same as saying they are worse yeah

[@Caffreyy]

i was wondering about continue to watch season 4 5 and others but, after this video i'm glad i saw only first 3 seasons.

[@Caffreyy]

@@tobsonasanya4765 actually first Two seasons was top tier third was already not that good, and i don't want to ruin my opinion about this series by watching another seasons :)

[@ethanlamb20059]

I did like the change. I hated the darker red it looks awful some of the things from the old suit should of been kept but overhaul I much prefer the newer suits the colour is everything and that's what needed changing the most really stands out more

[@nehalrevuri8003]

Bro the zoom first fight still sends shivers down my spine to this day 🥶

[@sofdrink]

your spine isn't the only one affected by that fight

[@nehalrevuri8003]

@@sofdrink Lmfao

[@TheCheeseburgerJudgesYou]

I saw that when I was 10 and it looked even more brutal than it is then

[@ImANutGamer]

pun intended😂

[@XeRo333]

Zoom was ruthless in season 2!

[@lrrroftheplanetomicronpersei8]

Seems like they went "nah people don't want to see streaks of lightning, let's have the fastest man alive just stand still!"

[@Skidoodle18]

Savitar dragging Barry through the wormholes was the pinnacle of villains beating Barry. For the first time, you no longer feel like Barry has a chance to maybe run away or get some upper hand. Yeah, when Thawne or Zoom are beating his ass it’s hard to watch, but at least you have some idea of how fast they are. But when we first saw Savitar run, we had NO idea how Barry could ever outspeed him

[@parkerquinn7500]

I miss the first three seasons. That was peak Flash. I am praying season 9 not only has just as good fight scenes but just as good writing as those seasons.

[@TheRealKarmma]

its cw bro they caught the cw effect every show did even smallville only show tht was kinda immune to it was supernatural but rip to the flash season 1-3

[@parkerquinn7500]

@@TheRealKarmma true. Good point there.

[@anthonygarcia8749]

S3 wasn't that good and has terrible writing by the end lol. S1 and 2 are peak.

[@westerxxx9220]

@@anthonygarcia8749 it’s still gigachad writing copmared to present days.

[@Fei-Chan]

@@anthonygarcia8749 its still better than whatever they spew in the series after that season. I still remember that time when it was always trending in many sites because the Savitar plot is good. Nowadays, its only gonna be trending because of how bad it is

[@Frr3ddy_FazballzZ]

Zoom showed no mercy So badass I like how now lightning is every speedster’s go-to move

[@Velocity_YT]

I don't like how they spam the lightning all the time instead of throwing a punch

[@disneyfan_1237]

It's a budget thing.

[@Frr3ddy_FazballzZ]

@@Velocity_YT I didn’t mean it literally

[@Velocity_YT]

@@Frr3ddy_FazballzZ right, my bad 😅

[@blueberry._.muffin]

@@disneyfan_1237 how- doesn’t that save like 1k by a punch or a kick without cgi?

[@danizdy1474]

I love how they went from speedsters to lightning mages

[@TheGrafton12]

"YOU get a bolt of lightning! And YOU get a bolt of lightning! EVERYBODY GETS LIGHTNING!"

[@tohruadachi6718]

My theory as to why newer seasons have such bad fights is that since the Arrowverse drifted away from Arrow's more "sulky" and "dark" atmosphere, they weren't able to mask effects under darkness as much as before, so the bad parts are much more obvious

[@jasonx819]

@@tobsonasanya4765 idc?

[@RH_Collective]

That and they were extremely under budget. As they were hundreds of millions of dollars in debt.

[@irasac1]

@@RH_Collective yeah so? They're spending money to make the series and if they don't make it good people won't watch so they won't get their money back and won't be able to pay debts. I say it's better to try and do something cool instead of cutting costs and making people give up on the series.

[@martianboi7063]

I actually decided to do some research and found out the "reason" of the Flash's sudden decay on season 7; they blamed it to the pandemic; in my opinion, they were the ones who decided to keep shooting scenes on 2020 instead of actually taking advantage of that time to improve scripts and write better stories for future seasons

[@chriskeo392]

$ . Always $

[@7gamex]

Throwing lightning was cool at first, but then it just got overused. Guess they just wanted his fights to be more flashy rather than logical.

[@InsaniaTHEGREATONE]

not really, its just cheaper and less effort just add shitty lightning reskin effect and thats it.

[@DesignIncase]

Pandemic restrictions. But that begs the question why we didn't see more CGI Flash models like in season 1/2. CgI models don't have to worry about getting touched. Or why Superman and Lois could do more interesting action scenes despite a character who can just shoot lasers all the time.

[@cryptotic5257]

They turned the Flash into Emperor Palpatine 💀

[@lucashall8761]

Savitar absolutely decimating Barry was absolutely insane when I first saw it, and even now I can't help but admit I find it really cool- even if now I can see the CGI wasn't all it was cracked up to be. Fights like that don't exist anymore.

[@cement_eater]

yes they do lmao. They’re just in better shows

[@TheRealSonicBeats]

The whole Savitar plot line was what lost me. Kind of felt like they were just redoing Zoom, who in-turn already felt lack luster but was compelling enough with the Multiverse aspect being explored further. But Savitar just felt lame. His suit always looked like rubber during the live action scenes and then looked so bad in the CGI that I just lost all interest

[@gemiae428]

@@TheRealSonicBeats yeah..... but Tobin Bell tho

[@The-Legend-of-P]

@@cement_eaterwhat shows?

[@cement_eater]

@@The-Legend-of-P the boys and invincible right now. Many more if you don't limit yourself to superhero content

[@redwave-621]

savitar dragging barry through the speed force was brutal asf 💀

[@JadeJoules]

When Savitar tosses him across the park and he starts bouncing while Savitar runs in the background, and then comes back to swoop in and grab him again before he has a chance to slow down or regain his footing is the most savage part. It's such a flex of his speed.

[@morgonyoung4935]

Dude Savitar showing up is my favorite part of the whole series ngl when he shows off that speed it’s just so breathtaking

[@kwayneboy1524]

I use to hate him but now I feel his character works better with context

[@toxicmegacolon69]

I love how the fights were just bad first and ended up excruciatingly bad

[@sami_idle]

i swear 1:18 is like a power ranger villian takedown

[@SpeedDemon_Editzzz]

2x06 Enter Zoom is easily the most legendary intro of a villain and the most brutal beatdown of a hero in Television History🗿⚡💯

[@SpeedDemon_Editzzz]

@@tobsonasanya4765 yes🗿

[@SpeedDemon_Editzzz]

@@tobsonasanya4765 Yes fucking Yes🗿

[@burstig5732]

@@tobsonasanya4765 Most in the Arrowverse

[@SpeedDemon_Editzzz]

@@tobsonasanya4765 most in Television History🗿⚡💯

[@Omen_Rocks123]

Ya forgetting about Madara uchiha

[@sarahjamesinasarah6423]

That was legit one of the things that hooked me onto the show, how well they (at first) portrayed people with super speed having to engage in physical combat. Now, there’s practically nothing, _Power Rangers_ makes the new fights look even more ridiculous than they already do.

[@dylanbaker6395]

You're right and I hate that you are

[@kokroughtoss1257]

This is a show about people who run fast. RUN DAMN IT!!!

[@gustavoclarindo101]

There is more lightning throwing in the last season of The Flash than in all seasons Black Lightning combined

[@gustavoclarindo101]

@@tobsonasanya4765 still shouldn't have this much lightining in it🤣

[@byonemesis]

I won't lie, I really prefer when they fought like before, especially at 0:16 .Except Negative Part 2, they were using their abilities to the fullest. As of Godspeed, I was kinda expecting this as his comic's counterpart did the same with the Speed Scout.

[@SPECKI-mb1ve]

yeah true. Like come on, they hyped the fight and then it was just a lightsaber duel. Now the faster speedster can just do one punch and beats the other guy with some force lightning. That was the good thing in Negative Part 2, where Barry and Thawne were literally equals and both of them had a good chance to win.

[@GenericName0042]

Like...for a set of characters whose entire gimmick is moving really really fast, particularly with Godspeed, there's an extreme lack of urgency in the fights. Like, go watch the Versus Zoom fight again, and THATS what I envision when I think "speedster fight"

[@Soron661]

@@GenericName0042 agreed. Seasons 1-3 are my favorites because I became obsessed with speedster fights after season 1. That's the main reason I was so bored with seasons 4-5 and the latter half of season 6. Then I got disappointed during the final battle of Season 7 as it was basically just two sith Lords fighting a more powerful sith.

[@Farmakis.v]

@@SPECKI-mb1ve dude a real flash fighting is hunting eachother in the city or fighting with speed punches now it's just lightsabers or lightning throwing

[@byonemesis]

@@Farmakis.v Don't forget that COVID changed everything. If we hadn't this pandemic disease, we may had more punch scenes...

[@GoodXylophone]

They really went from Speedsters doing super speed to just force lightning in every scene possible.

[@GoodXylophone]

@@tobsonasanya4765 I meant in most fight scenes. No more tracking running shots with speed punches or anything like that. It feels like the primary way to fight now is to have characters shoot lightning at each other. Probably because it's cheaper and easier to shoot and edit. Very uninspiring though

[@TheRealKarmma]

@@tobsonasanya4765 in the cartoons and comics the speedster dont spam moves they usally fight with fist or phase through a wall to punch somebody or go back in time for 10 secs to hit someone before they even think\

[@cyrotek3518]

The lightning CGI later on is so good, I can do that at home in Blender on a similar level.

[@yuvrajjaee]

Reverse Flash smiled when fighting Oliver Queen. Now, he just stands there

[@kwayneboy1524]

@@anthonyduran6387 the writers got lazy

[@jacobcenter7374]

You should've shown the fight between Thawne and future Flash the night his mom died. By far the most interesting, realistic, and visually pleasing fight in the entire show. The fact that it's completely CG is astounding

[@shade1621]

I love how the good fights are just Barry getting beat up

[@nazaedits]

I forgot to put when Barry fights against godspeed in season 7, it has very good scenes. But yeah, most are Barry being humiliated 😂

[@mikehamilton8736]

@@nazaedits And this it is what is wrong with Flash Fans.

[@vanitassmangareviews8869]

@@mikehamilton8736 How the fuck?

[@Luiz.325]

@@nazaedits You should have put that scene with Barry sitting on the floor and Thawne flying around and screaming while threatening the Flash 😂 it's awful

[@herbox]

@@mikehamilton8736 what do you mean by that?

[@Themapleleaforever]

They made the lightning look like confetti and spaghetti

[@zyneedbd]

1:08 Go Go Power rangers Intro open

[@NinjaPieceLOL]

The Flash went from being a speedster to being Static Shock.

[@konokillaqueenda1808]

Even though S1-S4 animation wasn’t the best, it was extremely satisfying to see how well it worked with fast paced animation and it was SOMETHING, after S5 it felt like the fights got EXTREMELY lazy, instead of fighting like DBZ characters they started fighting like some damn sith lords

[@ThatsOk83]

They started fighting like OT Palp. Other sith lords do more than spam lightning

[@Velocity_YT]

Nah, that happened in season 6 amd onwards.

[@konokillaqueenda1808]

@@Velocity_YT that’s why I said after S5

[@Velocity_YT]

@@konokillaqueenda1808 my bad.

[@konokillaqueenda1808]

@@Velocity_YT all good

[@juble4412]

Oh look! They’re gonna have an awesome high speed fig- **LIGHTNING THROW, LIGHTNING THROW, LIGHTNING THROW!!**

[@vid30gam3guy9]

I feel like the reason they changed it is because it's cheaper to just have the actors move their arms instead of choreographing an actual fight scene

[@Commonsenseisntcommon34]

No. It'd because of Covid for most of the later fights. Season 4-6 1st half? Probably is what you said. 6 2nd half and 7-8 is Covid they'd get shut down if they were too close and touchy

[@evorm7329]

@@Commonsenseisntcommon34 that's.... not how the film industry worked in covid at all.... not to mention they do get close and touchy all the time...

[@Yasuke_99]

The first time barry faced zoom it was like watching a horror film, man just stood no chance against him and Zoom went all out breaking his spine and everything

[@daviskane9396]

THAWNE: Who's faster now?! THAWNE: 👐🏻 ⚡⚡

[@bytoadynolastname6149]

God damn those suits are great. Went from a little padding to buff up the actors to grabbing a Flash costume from the local Halloween shop on the way to work. Also, everyone getting older and being less and less fit for those types of body suits.

[@ASquared544]

I think this can be blamed on the shows going for too long. I’m sure the crew did not expect to be made to work on the show for so long, and they just started getting burnt out, drained, and the shows generally just had nowhere to go. They needed to end many seasons earlier, when they were intended to end.

[@KingOfLesbia]

yeah I think theres merit to that, the same thing happened with Arrow especially post season 5

[@InsaniaTHEGREATONE]

No, it makes no sense, you can make 20 seasons and make it an amazing show if you have good writing and good CGI with fights. This is just YIKES they cut the budget of the flash so bad its insane.

[@Insidious_NX]

@@InsaniaTHEGREATONE 20 seasons would be too much for any serialized show. Generally, writers up the ante with every season and change the scale in accordance to the growth of the main character(s). Pacing would have to be atrocious for 20 seasons and viewers would get burnt out and bored. On the opposite end if the scale is always too high, it gets a but ridiculous and overused. Both are common reasons why shows with many seasons work best if they're episodic shows.

[@anthonyduran6387]

A show can go on for a while and still be good. It's all in the writing. The timeline got too messy, and the writing got worse. As far as the fight scenes go, it's all camera work and story. Nowadays it's just shooting lightning

[@InsaniaTHEGREATONE]

@@Insidious_NX Well it depends on the show and who is making it

[@alexferrier5732]

1:03 This felt like when you are holding a fart and when about to releases it You feel like it is going to be an epic thunderous roaring fart, but ends up being just a wet fart. We are getting nothing but wet farts.

[@SavantPete]

I love everyone's reaction to Barry getting the life beaten out him. They're like "damn 😰"

[@badfoody]

Season 1 and 2 they were super motivated. Actors were having fun, the writers were enjoying themselves. Then the show just went on and on and on. Directors lost motivation, actors stopped caring, writers didn't care. so here we are. for sure the Execs stopped caring, reasoned that the show would be watched either way

[@tawheedpc520]

after season 3/4 the main director left and a new one came which is the main reason this show gotten so much worse

[@conscripthornet4430]

Of course this doesn't stop the early seasons from having bad writing as well like how every single villain of the week manages to hide from the fucking speedster in less than a minute or Barry will never actually use his super speed in hand-to-hand combat.

[@cjmania1980]

I don’t get why they don’t use their speed as much as before. They simply turned all speedsters into sith lords shooting lightnings and it’s ridiculous not only for fights in general, but also for these characters.

[@historicflame972]

They played SWTOR

[@Drifter1989]

It’s like when you play a game and you just spam one move now.

[@foolslayer9416]

0:24 That's one hell of a liver punch.

[@burstig5732]

That was actually a stab in the spine 😂 He broke Barry’s back remember

[@BRB-ck3jr]

In season 7 of Flash when Reverse Flash and Flash vs Godspeed, for a sec I was thinking “Am I watching the right show, because this looks like star wars…”

[@BRB-ck3jr]

The 2nd half of that season could be called Flash Wars, parody of Star Wars

[@geodude0744]

Suddenly CW's Flash turned all speedsters into Sith Lords...

[@GoldenBoyBlue]

You know, speedsters in fiction usually rely on physical strikes but I guess the writers were too lazy to choreograph that and looked at lightning throwing as a scapegoat smh

[@Drave_Jr.]

Yeah, even though the lightning bolt was done in Season 2, it's more a finishing move because of the amount of setup required. It was still superspeed, but you had this ability for odd scenarios you couldn't use speed to help with.

[@kwayneboy1524]

I think shooting lightning looks cool but it should'nt be overused or it'll lose its uniquness.

[@petelee2477]

​@@kwayneboy1524 you mean like having super speed did. How many speedsters started appearing by the end of the run lol

[@ananteolas]

That Savitar scene where he's taking barry on a tour is still one of the best scenes in this show

[@juiciness]

I have great memories of watching Season 1 and 2. Every episode was a banger and I couldn't wait for the next one.

[@julianharley9428]

I remember when they devoted a whole episode to him learning the lightning punch, now I guess it's a standard tactic for every speedster

[@hybrid5860]

I remember that episode. It was awesome! Hate that it became the norm

[@Luiz.325]

Oh man... Thawne and Zoom were so badass in the good old days

[@MarcosAnschau]

i think theres more lightning throwing here than in star wars, and there lightning throwing is in fact lore accurate

[@ChiliSainz]

“who’s faster now?” proceeds to not run

[@ninjafrog6966]

Savitar really just took the scenic route while kicking Barry’s ass

[@bloodyidit4506]

There's a lot of ways you can use super speed, even for long range attacks, but I guess they could only afford one effect with no choreography. If you wanted to amp it up for later seasons and limit it to simple VFX stuff, You can have him punch so fast that you displace air for a long range air punch, throw tiny air molecules so fast they become plasma bullets, vibrate to cause earthquakes, vibrate to cause sound waves, use a vibrating punch to cause a massive amount of friction to set an enemy on fire. You can have him throw things and such, like dust thrown so fast it wraps an entire area like a smokescreen, maybe a bouncy ball or some shit for funnies, or just literally steal from the comics with tornado hand shit, IDK. The writing doesn't really hold up the conflicts or make it deep enough to care without some variation.

[@petelee2477]

You don't need long range attacks when you can punch 1,000 times per second and go the other side of the planet in another second before the opponent can even react. Speedster vs most normal people fights shouldn't even be a fight. They should be at the crime scene one second then suddenly find themselves in jail the next and not even know what happened.

[@bloodyidit4506]

@@petelee2477 You can still have high profile fights without the speedster dominating if you pit them against someone who can fight at half their speed, or take them by surprise. The other issue with the show is that the Flash always has to get his ass kicked and often does NOT in situations where it doesn't make sense.

[@enderduck4253]

@@bloodyidit4506 used to be that the Flash would get his ass kicked and then get some motivation from his team and try again, which was kinda cheesy. But it's far better than the shit they do now. Flash gets his ass kicked by regular humans and then Cecile and Allegra come in to save the day. If that doesn't work, his human wife comes in to shoot the villain with a stun gun.

[@jocker6271]

@@enderduck4253can you show me where he gets beat by a regular human

[@delta9915]

Yeah but all of that requires creativity

[@littlevoidboi2111]

It went from punching at super speed and dragging your opponent through time, to “LIGHTNING BOLT, LIGHTNING BOLT, MAGIC MISSLE”

[@Fallenhell100]

Flash earlier seasons: *boxing with the fastest hands in the west👊* Flash now: *all the speedsters are Cole McGrath from the Infamous games*

[@Fallenhell100]

@@tobsonasanya4765 tell that to the CW

[@Fallenhell100]

@@tobsonasanya4765 you're not getting the point of this satirical comment🤦🏾‍♂️

[@simontchang]

I'd have to re-watch all the seasons to pinpoint when things started going downhill, but my general rule is it seems when Todd Helbing stepped down as show runner a lot of the best crew behind the camera went with him. Everything from scripts to set construction to fight scenes feel like they hired people out of film school.

[@hybrid5860]

For me it started to dip in quality after the Savitar arc. That arc itself had a lot if problems, but it was still really fun and enjoyable. But when the thinker got introduced… yeah, I was not a fan of that character at all. He could have been much better

[@briang.2218]

@@hybrid5860 I thought Thinker arc was a little repetitive with the whole 'oh no we tried and failed to save another bus meta', but the performance for the Thinker and his own hallway scene were still really good I thought. For me, the clear drop in quality happened when Cicada was introduced. What the fuck was that, I legit thought he was a villain-of-the-week but the fucker kept coming back and people kept taking him seriously. Pissed me the fuck off that his power was to make everything lamer by removing any speed shit.

[@blu3tacos37]

It was incredibly shit from the get-go. Since episode 1, there are so many plot holes it seems like there isn't even a plot, Barry is faster than bullets, yet he lets a multiplying man multiply instead of just relocating him into their cell, (he showed us he can relocate 2 people at least) same with all the other goofy ass weak ass lame ass villains and let's not forget, he lost to a REGULAR MAN WITH AN ICE GUN literally everytime someone dies or a villian gets away it's directly because of the stupidity of every character, when you'll re-watch, hopefully you will see how bad the show is

[@walatimagaming]

its season season 4 for me. it was shit.

[@tommasosoldati2905]

They went from running super fast to freebooting Palpatine

[@tobsonasanya4765]

they do both

[@ahabduennschitz7670]

The Flash back then: 🏃🤸🕺🏻🤺🏄💥🧗🦸 The Flash now: 🧍⚡

[@mid_charles]

I blame Barry for this. he started all this. When he first started spamming lightning throws, I knew this Shi was cooked. 😭

[@nicktroisi6347]

The show made the fights in the earlier season so brutal especially 0:19-0:30 Now they just use force lighting, constructs and lightsabers wtf

[@jonathanchila6414]

"We dont have to choreograph fights if we just throw lightning"

[@deathoftheoldme8645]

Honestly I wish they fought like they used to flying through the air punching eachother and running around that’s literally all it needs but no we get lighting fingers 😂

[@thetrmoon8tr946]

flash before: actually running fast flash now: LIGHTNING BOLT ⚡

[@NiceCreeper13]

Makes Savitar look God-Tier even when compared to Negative Thawne.

[@dudemanperfect1219]

0:48 they are supposed to be speedsters not black lightning lol

[@gameraayush1232]

When the show was about speed vs when the show is about thunder and lightning.

[@randomhaloplayer918]

Speedster fights back then: Lets see who is faster Barry! Speedster fights now: Friggin lightsabers and emperor palpatine.