The flourish of the Döbringer codex HS 3227a by Keith Farrell

A great interpretation of the flourish of the Döbringer codex HS 3227a by Keith Farrell. filmed during the XIth HEMAC (Historical european martial arts coalition) gathering in Dijon, may 2012.

[@jakewolf079]

little tip, when he say ''cut'', you don't just move the sword to the correct position, you actually have to try cutting, imaging something is in the way of that swing, is it going to actually cut it?

[@corazzinatanner498]

I get that this is an old video, but incase you're happening on it or coming back to it, whether you attempt this in a real match or not, just simply going through this entire routine will do a lot for your form and footwork. Think of it like doing a "kata" in eastern martial arts.

[@voidlogic]

Thanks for sharing this, this is great material. Now I have something to work on in addition to my normal daily solo drilling exercises.

[@permhaaland]

As far as I've studied, they all basically add up to the same. The only difference is the language. Besides, what I've heard Fiore also taught in German, and there are many similarities in names of guards and techniques, so that one cannot really talk about a pure German or Italian school as such. But now, since this is the internet and for the sake Ye Good Noble and Ancient Art of Trollynge: If thou'd getst thy butte handed to thee, 'tis simply because thou suckest, so train thee harder! ;)

[@JifftasticGhozt]

One of my favorite instructional videos. Thank you dearly for uploading such precious tutorial.

[@mindhost]

If you google for 'encased in steel for beginners: fiore or liechtenauer' you'll find an article related to this topic written by Keith, the instructor in this video.

[@Davlavi]

nice

[@jakatakrennes]

First work ... : Keith Farrel :This lesson is a b??? ? The "Flourish" in the HS 3227a. It's a ?? book, effectively note book. Dated from P??? the end of the thirteen hundred, 1389 and in this ??? book in this note book they are ??????? Some of the b??? ??? fighting some of the b... mathematics But the section on longsword fencing is often attributed to pice?? Döbringer So it's not quiet right, Döbringer was one of these, one of the four? people who contributed to arts. ...

[@dharmeshmistry342]

That accent...amazing. e^e

[@sousousamsouma8672]

Dharmesh Mistry hfhfug hkg

[@Otso_66N]

THANKS for putting this online, I missed the class and that's just the kind of video I needed :D Cheers !

[@mattmanbrownbro]

Might I suggest trying the Ochs (Ox) stance with the quillons horizontal? I, personally, found that they protect the hands a lot better when they are horizontal by preventing the opponent's blade from sliding all the way down the blade and hitting your hands during a bind. Just a suggestion. I know everyone has their own way, and what works for me might not work as well for someone else.

[@W4ldgeist]

Most depictions show the Ochs lying flat or at best angled. In the cases where they are not shown horizontal, it's usually down to the artist not wanting to paint the sword flat, because it's more difficult. Always take the sword manual paintings in their cultural and historical context. The people painting were often regular artists, not fencers themselves, so they would often paint something, that was in the cultural context considered beautiful or correct. Review the images shown here (even in the less horizontal versions, if you try to reconstruct the position of the sword with the hand placement, you end up nearly horizontal, because you can't hold the sword upwards with the cross guard above your hand - the artist just couldn't paint it better): www.schwerteln.de/wiki/pmwiki.php/Glossar/Ochs

[@NirrumTheMad]

+Matthew “Arkhane” Brown hold your ochs flat, get someone to pull your hands downward. Go back up, angle the ochs with the flat facing slightly outward, Then get someone to pull down on your hands. It should be more difficult, and in a mechanical sense, easier for you to resist downward blows

[@mattmanbrownbro]

Vennificus​ The way I hold mine is either flat with the false edge facing outward (with my thumb on the flat of the blade) or at 20-45° with the true edge up and outward in a regular pistol grip. If you are strong in the bind, or winding to his weak, little else will matter. Besides, if you are weak, you can always redirect the strike and come back with a pommel strike or schnappen.

[@queffceratops]

Really enjoyed this

[@Rikitocker]

Great stuff Keith, great teaching and interpretaion as well!

[@semperludens9241]

I don't like doing krumphau with the flat because the sword bends that way so you will lose a significant amount of force pushing down to bending your own sword, even when doing it with the strong. Also in my experience uncrossing into ochs instead of pflug makes for a more effective strike, either next to the body or as a zwerchhau.

[@jakatakrennes]

Hi, I'd like to help to transcript this video, if i start the job, will you help to correct errors ? I'd like to begin with english language, and maybe translate in french (my language). Thanks

[@qwik123456]

There can only be one!

[@antoniusmaximus3174]

amazing video!! I have a question now I know there are varying styles such as the German masters and then there is the Italian style most known by the Fiore style does anyone have experience in both enough to make the determination of which one is better or is this a taboo never ending debate lol

[@marcustec8]

very nice! Where in the manuscript can I find the texts for this flourish?

[@bg8324]

really cool! are there anymore videos of this guy?

[@permhaaland]

nice vid. But on what pages in the manuscript is that flourish?

[@SirJoostVonPike]

What do you mean? So I can address your question accordingly. :)

[@jonpellett7567]

It's the very last technique. Page 52v.

[@Halofreakanoid]

Like what, for example?

[@dunkelsan]

So cool!!

[@asdresmartialis4857]

great video

[@tatayoyo337]

nice vid :)

[@MarvelDcImage]

This is the first time I have seen an offensive move demonstrated - in combat the person who attacks first usually wins based on all the writings I have read but in demonstrations only the defensive follow up is demonstrated - the defensive counter move. Great demo!

[@DarkTech92]

+MarvelDcImage thats not true :) its not about who attacks first, but more about who can keep on being offensive and focused on hurting the opponent :)

[@MarvelDcImage]

+DarkTech92 The literature I have read over the years always states the attacker has the advantage.

[@DarkTech92]

That is true :D they often have the advantage. But just think about it a bit more openly. The attacker is not necessarily the one who throws the first cut. :)) the attacker is the one who attacks more! at least in my interpretation. It happened to me a few times, when the other guy just jumped in with a kind of zornhau, and i just stepped back and had an easy way to the throat. And vica versa, i fell into traps too. So the "who's the attacker?" is a tricky question by itself. Worth thinking about it. Btw don't get me wrong, im not a pro, im just mediocre with the longsword at best. Im just saying that the roles can switch pretty quickly, and those codexes are not written in stone. :) Cheers, and keep up the good work in digging the texts.

[@MarvelDcImage]

+DarkTech92 My point was in all of youtube they usually showcase the defensive moves. That is all I was stating.

[@DarkTech92]

ah i see :) well if you revise your concept of the attack and defense, you can get to other conclusions. always think about these basic stuff. even when you think you understand it. i do it too. 10 years from now on, i may have a totally different opinion about what fencing is really about.

[@daeva1983]

Isn't it the main characteristic feature of the german school to fight from the bind and if possible search the bind? As far as I know Fiore was much more about parades and leaving the bind for the next action.

[@SirJoostVonPike]

Neither, the weapons in them however improved with time so the systems evolved. The general principals are similar and do function for both, however you must take them in their context. This video has a few mistakes in handling of the sword, enough of them that if you were to fight against someone who has studied religiously the subject, they could exploit them. So really I say neither because very few people understand the tenet of swordsmanship, even with study.