"The Fool" Is For Sale (I Know Who Should Buy It...)

[@bradrehn1007]

Stingray, YES!! Leo's later creations made such advancements. He never stopped inventing. The Music Man and G&L creations are long overdue for acknowledgment and appreciation.

[@TVsBen]

Absolutely agreed! Music Man has Petrucci, Lukather, and Schon (more recently) playing their stuff, but G&L is way under the radar for a lot of people.

[@JohnnyBGoode9]

The G&L Comanche was the perfection of the Strat, IMO. The DFV is the best Strat bridge and the Z-coil pickups and passive treble and bass circuit are noiseless in all positions and can get as bright or fat as you want. Absolute top tier instrument.

[@ctastrophe_0]

4:01 not just “a” concert, but almost the entire In Utero tour, including the last shows he ever played. i think depending on who you ask, this is THE nirvana guitar it’s also one of a number of MG-69 mustangs his tech had ordered for him, hence the made in japan thing label

[@ajbowen9371]

Also literally the guitar Cobain is using in the video Trogly used as illustration.

[@BrownSofaGamer]

@@ajbowen9371Well Trogly mentioned that there’s video of him playing the guitar, and he was using the footage on screen as an example of that.

[@erho2967]

Used to be my dream guitar, even saved up to have Roman Guitars do it… dodged a bullet for sure

[@mojorisen74]

Romans had the worst version you could get of that guitar. Wasn't even close in colors or design, used the wrong paint. Insisted it was painted with day glo when it was painted with oil based paint . He added a bunch of history to it that wasn't true or didn't exist. I got mine from the guitar hangar. It was painted by Jennifer Ganser and she did the best verison of it in my opinion.

[@Masterfighterx]

After hearing the story about Roman, I have 0 respect for that pos.

[@niczim123]

@@Masterfighterx No worries, he's shoveling shit in hell as we speak! (or type rather)

[@tremor1001]

Would love to see a breakdown of the stingray!

[@thomasbonnett4800]

Ditto!

[@clarkbabin9799]

That's a seldom seen model. I totally forgot it existed.

[@mightyV444]

+1 for the Stingray review! 😀👍

[@silvernuggets1285]

You're absolutely right, that guitar needs to be scanned if it hasn't yet. Im in for a bass review

[@DavidFell]

It is mischaracterizing Ovation guitars as “plastic-backed.” The material is called Lyrachord, and consists of interwoven layers of glass filament and a bonding resin. More like fiberglass than plastic.

[@RussClarkRocks]

Ah yes, the rarest of all tonewoods. Fiberglass and bondo. Lol

[@thehark6247]

still dont sound good as wood. And i like ovations.

[@garthkolbeck8674]

Ovation /Kamen also made helicopters

[@RussClarkRocks]

@@garthkolbeck8674 Hmm. Let's see...well, we have designed and built this guitar thing, let's try a helicopter! Lol.

[@ddr1837]

Other way around. Helicopters first, guitars second.

[@clarkbabin9799]

Not many people are aware that Ovation did solid body guitars but that Pete Ham model is really rare. Many have forgotten that Eric Clapton ever played anything but a stratocaster. That SG is historic.

[@mightyV444]

Their _Magnum_ is one of the ugliest while also best basses ever made! 😅 And I'd thought that _Deacon_ guitar was a _Breadwinner_ model!?

[@clarkbabin9799]

@@mightyV444 sometimes other attributes outlay hideousness.

[@alpep1307]

Breadwinner are painted with the ovation bowl paint

[@mightyV444]

@@alpep1307 - Really? Even though they came in several different colours?

[@mightyV444]

@@clarkbabin9799 - Very true! 😄👍

[@VickiHavok]

Definitely would be cool to see a Stingray review…always nice to see different stuff too 👍

[@jimmyjames2022]

Another vote for the StingRay Bass review, it's been played by some amazing artists and needs the exposure!

[@mightyV444]

Absolutely! 😀👍

[@voyager7]

I agree that Gibson should acquire The Fool at almost any cost.

[@Turboy65]

I think Clapton should buy it, throw away the strat, and start playing it. Then I might listen to his music again. Never cared about Clapton once he picked up the strat.

[@Ottophil]

At the cream reuinion show they assumed he would wanna play an sg, but hes like, nah I’m a strat guy now. Pete townsend had the same move. Me too. I was an SG guy for 20 years before i switched to strats.

[@Turboy65]

@@Ottophil I've had eight strats so far and not kept one of them. I keep trying but can never get them to do what I like. That takes ANY Gibson with humbuckers.

[@THE67BAND]

@@Turboy65 Clapton’s music is good with a Strat or SG but I feel like I like the fool SG better than the black Strat

[@flyme2themoon720]

Fun fact the back of Ovations are actually the same material used to make helicopter blades.The Ovation rep for Guitar Center in 1999 told me that.Not sure if it's still used today with all the other new materials out there

[@michaelmoore7975]

@13:55 Bass? Sure...you could feature a uke or cigar box guitar and we'd still watch it.

[@snapfinger1]

Todd Rundgren owned . A ferocious lead guitarist. Black Maria.

[@michaelhall736]

When Eric Clapton first received the fool it had a maestro vibrato on it. He played it that way for only one concert because he didn't have enough time to get it removed. Afterwards he got it removed because he really dislikes tremolos. Strats are his primary guitar now but for some reason he never plays them with a hardtail. The trem system on them is just blocked.

[@ArchieOnEarth]

Hardtail Strats just sound different. The trem springs are part of the sound. Not that hardtails sound bad; I dig Robert Cray’s tone.

[@michaelhall736]

@@ArchieOnEarth Ah, I see. I didn't think that affected the sound. There's a lot about guitars I still don't know.

[@jonathanhudak2059]

Cool info 👌

[@mnemonik61]

@@michaelhall736 Yeah, on a Strat you can tap the springs of the trem (after removing the cover of course) when plugged in and hear them 'ring' through the pickups,* especially with a bit of gain on your amp. * (bridge PU is loudest, naturally)

[@brandonjackson5865]

Does Clapton even leave springs in his I thought he blocked it on both sides of the block essentially making it a tele with a sustain block I thought he removed the springs completely but I’m not sure either way some people claim that the springs are part of the strats tone even with 4 springs and the claw slammed and the block blocked , but what do I know. I figured he used trem on his signature Strats to sell more to purest ?

[@leddygee1896]

Do the feature on the Stingray. a lot of top level bass players use them... Tony Levin being one of them. Take a look at the lineup of Music artist's he's played and recorded with in the last 40+ years of his career.

[@jcm78]

According to Todd Rundgren a new headstock was grafted on to the neck and a lot of the paint was flaking and peeling off so the artwork was redone.

[@imthemanntoo]

I'm a bass player that watches all of your episodes. You need more bass content. The Stingray would be a great change-up.

[@glengamble526]

They DO need more bass content…as everyone knows, bass players get less girls, therefore are home alone more and watch ore KZbin!😂 (Sorry, I couldn’t resists)

[@AKLowEnd]

@@glengamble526 He says on the nerdy guitar channel. It's musicians in general that get less girls nowadays 😅

[@DRM-hm6vf]

Go back to your bong bass player!

[@jonbon7219]

how bout NO!!!

[@dylansmith880]

@@DRM-hm6vf I prefer Blunts… and bass content😂😂😂

[@raserx63]

Clapton should have tracked the SG down when they did the Cream reunion concert. Instead he played a Stratocaster and the music was awful. It sounded like Cream redone for elevator music. No bite , no snarl. Now I’d like to see someone like Bonamassa get it. Maybe then we can actually see it played live again .

[@garyeckel1656]

The Fool SG was last owned and played by Todd Rundgren who gave it to a museum. He said it was painted all over even on the frets it was worn the wood was like balsa and had to be reworked and repainted, then clear coat was applied, the tail piece is not original, honestly its not as if it sat in a glass case, it is road worn and redone, copies were already made, why would anyone want it? Ive studied the paint schemes and none of them match the detail very well, the one your showing is not the original painting, sad really, Todd should still have it and not sell it.

[@MultiPetercool]

Todd didn’t give it to a museum. He auctioned it off in order to pay the IRS.

[@pdoucet]

Please please please do the Stingray review! I know you're primarily a guitar channel, but there's no such content that goes into detail for basses quite like what you do. Either way, thanks for your daily dose!

[@nwojdak]

Trogly, I would love to see the Stingray teardown and review! I like when you do bass content, as I am a bass player myself

[@juanmacaceres2702]

I don't think The Fool will break Kurt Cobain's Martin acoustic record

[@Onidragon55]

Especially since the shine has been taken off Clapton's name the past few years.

[@peejay6930]

I think it will, Kurt was very influential to a certain generation. But the fool will appeal to very rich people who were in their 30's when Nirvana came out and possibly only know Teen Spirit, I'm not a Clapton fan, but he's revered as a guitarist world wide, seen as one of the greats, Kurt's guitar was more of a cultural icon. I see Paul Allen ($17b) paying well over the $5m estimate. As Trogly alludes to, Kirk paid around $1m for Greeny and people are paying $80k for a copy of it, I could see Greeny getting towards $5m now

[@bluegryp]

@@Onidragon55lol, why because of his vax stance? Nobody serious cares about that. He played to a packed madison square garden not too long ago. Tickets were going for $2000 and up in some cases. Plenty of shine still left on Clapton, I assure you.

[@benjaminhawksleysr6573]

Really???🤯🤯🤯 St.Anger is your favorite Metallica album? I love your show so much but hearing that totally hurt my heart 😭😭😭

[@jonathanhudak2059]

St. Anger is lousy!

[@Joe___R]

Out of all the guitars the fool and the switch master are the only ones that are really any different from what you can regularly buy beyond their famous owners.

[@Matthew-qk1xi]

Hey trogly I was gifted a '59 strat from my Father in law he bought new in 1959. I had someone tell me that cos it has an "8 screw pickguard" its worth at least $35,000 its in great condition with natural patina type wear, I live in southern Ohio any suggestions on where i can get it appraised?

[@davidfrazerwray7525]

The Fool (who painted the guitar) was a Dutch design collective consisting of Marijke Koger and the late Simon Posthuma. They also designed the outside of the Apple Boutique in London, John Lennon’s Rolls Royce and his upright piano, and a host of other things. I once spent a suitably wasted afternoon with Simon in Amsterdam. He was a lovely guy with a wealth of anecdotes about London in the sixties.

[@alangreenway6695]

I remember watching Todd Rundgren saying the Fool SG was a very unreliable guitar and the neck is hideous. Definitely wall art opposed to a player.

[@DavidFell]

EC’s The Fool might be logistically harder than the Rocky guitar to replicate. The original Rocky was, as you know, painted by Harrison himself, and his heirs were fully on-board with Fender for the reproduction. “The Fool” SG, on the other hand, was painted by a Dutch design collective also called “The Fool,” founded by Simon Posthuma and Marijke Koger; professional artists. Koger, and Posthuma’s heirs, may have a copyright on the design. I know individuals have made copies; but a big company like Gibson would have to settle the rights issue with more than just possession of the guitar.

[@mojorisen74]

The fool have no copyright to the guitar. Marijke Koger confirmed it a few years ago. Had they known that hundreds of replicas were going to be made they would have copy written the design, but they weren't thinking of that at the time

[@DavidFell]

@@mojorisen74 That’s interesting. In the US, copyright exists whether it’s registered or not.

[@mojorisen74]

@@DavidFell I don't think they could sue for royalties without it being registered though

[@G-Man-kc2nm]

Looks like the Loony Tunes circle on the Fool! Waiting for porky to pop up! I’ve never been disappointed watching this channel. There is a surprise around every corner. Great Job! Thanks

[@PaulStirk]

My first thought when I saw it

[@Bluesky5553]

I'm sorry, just because Clapton owned it and learned how to back off the tone control and use the neck pickup, it is not worth what they are figuring on it fetching. There is something really annoying about these ridiculous auctions. Call me weird if you want, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[@michaelcollums4197]

No mention that Todd Rundgren owned the fool for years and when he sold in an auction in the early 2000's he took a bath I think he got less than $150,000.00 I think he sued the auction house I can't exactly remember please reply if you know the story.

[@Steve.Cutler]

Yes, do the review on the bass. You need more basses on the show.

[@McGheeOH]

did you say saint anger was your favorite metallica album

[@bannedmadmike4234]

He kinda lost me there. Haha

[@10125Studios]

Subtle sarcasm.... I hope

[@benjaminhawksleysr6573]

You know it's sad but true

[@jonathanhudak2059]

Frantic tick tock, tick tock! I still remember buying it on cd when it came out and hearing it in my car and being like what the heck is this!?? Terrible album 👎

[@crb456]

Re the Ovation - you really did have to be there. This was on my guitar wish list in the early 1970s. From memory both the electrics and acoustics had a very pronounced V profile neck.

[@styrenebuilds6851]

Yes on the stringray bass

[@sjlefebvre]

Todd Rundgren owned the Fool as well...

[@mojorisen74]

He restored it and played it way longer than Clapton

[@modelcitizen1977]

I had a first gen Jag-Stang. Same color, but with a white pearloid pickguard. The bridge was lifting off the body at one point, but I lived out all my Kurt Cobain dreams with it before trading it for a 1967 Harmony Rocket.

[@felipew101]

I feel like the Eddie van Halen Charvel was glossed over a tad too quickly as I think those were the series of guitars painted by Ed himself as a limited release, sure not exactly historic, but it isn't a case of "just a stage played guitar" (my knowledge on this is not completely fleshed out so do add more details if you know more)

[@fernandoperdomomusic]

Eric Clapton played it on 1 record ... Todd Rundgren played it in 25 records..... No mention of Todd bums me out ... but .. oh well .. a

[@wrencormier513]

big vote for the stingray bass

[@deylanshiva6407]

Absolutely yes on the Stringray, always love more Ray stuff.

[@AviMus82]

St. Anger was your favorite Metallica album? Are you messing with us trogly?

[@AlanCheong]

I currently have a fool's replica made by ESP (was told there's only 600 produced worldwide). Looking to let it go.

[@sornord]

I played one of those Ovation electrics in Picker's Supply of Fredericksburg, Virginia, when they were at their original location. I remember it as a really good instrument. I wish I'd bought it then but I was hooked on Les Pauls in those years.

[@robertdicarlo4490]

Austin did you do the animation at 3:06 ? Pretty darn KOOL !!!

[@johnfritz15]

I’d be interested in the Stingray.

[@swordman521]

if you read the description on the Albert King Lucy you'd find out it's not a Dan Erlewine one, but a Tom Holmes commisioned by Billy Gibbons to give to Albert for his 65th birthday

[@pumkinbreath]

It needed massive restoration when Rundgren acquired it. The work eas too notch

[@williamluster9758]

Saw Todd Rundgren play this guitar about 15 years ago at the Hollywood Bowl for a Beatles tribute

[@mygicshow]

You can thank Todd Rundgren for saving that guitar… I actually got to touch it when I got on stage with him in the 80s, it was super cool… XTC used it on a solo in the song Supergirl ….

[@boulderertim5986]

Did I really just hear "St Anger, my favourite Metallica album" ?!! Not sure I can take anything that Trogly says seriously now ...

[@Ben-eo1kr]

Would love to see the stingray + other bass reviews

[@iancpowell]

So in a round about way, you’re saying that Jack bruce’s Bass VI Fool should be released by Fender… but the Greenie Style Eric Clapton/ Todd Rundren the fool SG case would look awesome

[@mikeholmed7029]

I saw this guitar at the Play it Loud exhibit at The Met in NY.

[@Onidragon55]

The Cobain mustang's price is based heavily on his 72 competition one selling for $4 million. But that one was THE Smells Like Teen Spirit guitar and the Skystang is one of an order of 5 custom stangs made for him for the last Nirvana tour. Fender USA wasn't making mustangs at the time so he had to get Fender Japan to make them, hence the MIJ. So I think $1 million is a fair ask.

[@indybeez]

The headstock on the Lucy Flying V says THC….that was Tom Holmes’ company, so Dan Erlewine didn’t make it.

[@HartponderJr]

Was that Rocky the one George Harrison used during the Magical Mystery Tour film?

[@fatback2]

the Lucy V has a "THC", Tom Holmes Company label on the headstock.

[@ericbgordon1575]

The Fool and Rocky are obvious decorated guitars. What about Jack Bruce' Bass Six?

[@mcfats7652]

Some of those Ernie Ball limited runs have the best flamed maple I've ever seen. Time to see if you ever covered that Stingray Bass...

[@mikeysansan]

As a bass player, I would love a Stingray review!

[@UltraZombie]

Is it skystang 1 or 2 it’s got white hum bucker but the yellow mark on the pickguard

[@edwinstovall3334]

Austin, in my opinion Music Man's (and Leo Fender's) Stingray Bass is the best bass guitar ever built. Review and demo, please.

[@jubei7259]

I think our boy here is the first person I've ever heard say St Anger is their favourite Metallica album lol (definitely not mine).

[@lurklingX]

yeah, stingrays are cool. do the review! not everyone knows about them and you can further the public's appreciation of them. :D i'll admit, i haven't really seen the custom ones. hell, it'd be cool if you delved into bass guitars for a series. it's a whole new world. and they get styles the guitars just don't get. some fantastic designs. (idk if you play bass, but since the strings are the same, you wouldn't take too long to get the hang of some of it to do a little riff or two.)

[@thesloaneranger1]

As well as the Slash Corvette guitar, his old matching Corvette car is also going to auction ;)

[@SnappyJCM800]

Yes to the stingray. Well to be fair I’d say yes to pretty much any brand

[@ladeseddy5994]

I would be interested in a Music Man Stingray breakdown.

[@rocketpigrecords3719]

Kirk Hammett should buy it and piss everyone off - by using it like it's an instrument, or something!

[@Trog]

That would be fun!

[@rocketpigrecords3719]

@@Trog I know he's probably got a stable of Murphy Labs repros or better doing stage duty, but "Metallica brings real 59 Les Pauls on stage" wasn't expected, as a fan Not something you see much, and it's respectable.

[@vanshankguitars]

Yes! Review the Music Man bass !

[@samuelbarringer715]

If I could afford a Gibson custom shop, I would not mind having a copy of the Fool SG.

[@TheGreatGadfly]

Heck yeah to the Stingray review. We need to expand!

[@michaelaiello9525]

I always figured the “Fool” is a reference to the tarot archetype. My favorite thing learned today was that woman tone was from an SG neck , with the tone rolled off. An SG… now I know. Thanks Trogs!

[@mightyV444]

Ah yes! The dude taking a leap of faith by wandering off a cliff! Good thinking, Michael! 😀👍

[@acdclexu6296]

if i have the budget definetly the fool or the albert king one is sick

[@marxman00]

Why not collect the old strings , after all , they actually made the sound you heard

[@john564holloway]

Can't imagine playing just 1 note on the Fool. It'd have to be with the neck pup and tone rolled off for that 'Woman' tone.

[@larrynoe6162]

I could do a Stingray. I have a Sterling Stingray bass, not a bad instrument.

[@Msteve-nt5bx]

The Fool is hardly original. Idk if it's going as high as you think. We'll see

[@nankypooh655]

I thought this was inThe Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland.

[@iwaspaidtoflywithyoubatman]

You JUST learned about the Martin D45? Jeez, you gotta get out of Gibson land once in a while

[@monofavoriten]

whats weird about the clapton SG is the tail piece. i always saw it sporting a trapeze tailpiece, probably replacing a vibrato style tailpiece.

[@DonaldSavicky]

Apparently Eric gave it to George who in turn gave it to Todd Rundgren who will be very happy after it is auctioned

[@DonaldSavicky]

I just checked the history and Todd sold at auction in 2000 for &150,000

[@brennanferguson3537]

The woman tone was named after what he did on beano, with a burst, not an sg.

[@MrDoobie12286]

That’s not the Erlewine made Flying V. He had a couple others made later by other luthiers. I’m drawing a blank on the names but the Erlewine is the straight up walnut V

[@scottstanley4378]

I'd also like to chime in with my hopes that you'd review the stingray bass. Hi Trogly.

[@tophatbass]

If you wanna do a breakdown on any of my basses, I would GLADLY send you any of mine! A Retro 76 Stingray (which I'm sure you're talking about here), Thunderbird, Ritter, Spector, you name it, I'd be ECSTATIC to get you some basses to document.

[@WilliamHaisch]

Both The Fool SG and The Rocky Strat are both associated with Eric Clapton! One was played by EC and the other features an artistic portrait of EC! 😂

[@spidgeb3292]

I'm looking at the new EBMM Stingray Short Scale so I'd love to hear more about that, if being short scale doesn't disqualify it.

[@wooferdevlin3571]

Music Man Stingray 5 was my axe for a while. I had a natural w/ maple fret and a silver with rosewood. Fantastic bass , I was gigging them until I discovered the Lakland Skyline series with 35' scale and Bartolini pup's. A comparison would be cool. At least the MM, I recommend the 5 string, low B string sounds huge and tight. Ü ♫

[@dorianmode69]

Stingray basses are badass

[@Reallyhurtz]

Love the channel! Ad a session bassist in Nashville, I’d LOVE to see you review the Stingray bass

[@davidgramling1484]

Yes ,Please do the review of the Stingray ‼️

[@TheMusicalSchizo]

Regarding the Stingray bass review: DO IT. It's always good to have some variety.

[@glenfougeron2823]

Jim has WAY deeper pockets than those 2. And there is no way that thing brings more than the David’s guitar.

[@sentforth5]

John Deacon from Queen recorded Another One Bites The Dust on a Stingray bass. The hand clapping in the song is actually John slapping the strings against those giant pickups.

[@Briansm15]

Trogly Kurt's skystang 1-3 are an mg69 models with a a seymour duncan jb sh-4 in the bridge & the pickup switches trimmed

[@Briansm15]

Oh and a gotoh ge104b bridge

[@myoptik3x103]

Yes, Stingray please and thank you!

[@chrisghiardi117]

James Williamson also used one of those Ovation solid bodies early 70s, Iggy and the Stooges.

[@MrPointy75]

Another (belated) vote for the Stingray review. I'm not even a bass player and they're some of my favorite stringed instruments.