The Forbidden Warcraft 2

[@BenoitAdam2]

"they send the disc to the magazine for testing, they shipped is as a CD for they magazine" LMAO

[@mickcraftgaming]

Pretty wild turn of events haha

[@robertreynolds1768]

I’ve been playing Warcraft 2 since 1996 and seeing a peasant mining the rocks blew my tiny little mind.

[@mickcraftgaming]

It's crazy! Some Warcraft 2 mods restore this feature.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Ore resource could've been a good high tier structure quantity gate. Red team color is closer to StarCraft 1's Red than regular War 2 Orc Oil Platform is called Oil rig and has a different (cooler honestly) sprite The Foundry is on land and almost certainly was meant to be the blacksmith initially (since it looks like a black version of the War 1 Orcish black smith)

[@mickcraftgaming]

Agreed! Good insights, I didn't catch the foundry being on land - thanks for the comment and info!

[@Canuovea]

Mining through the mountains? Wow. That'd make things a lot different. I think the Stronghold had a bit of a spire/spike thing sticking out from it that I don't remember in Warcraft 2. Or rather, it's a bit spikier.

[@mickcraftgaming]

Very different. And yes, I think you are right!

[@h3rtzen]

Cool video man! Really enjoyed it. The game of my childhood, remember playing it vs. my dad, being able to play vs human was just mindblowing...

[@mickcraftgaming]

Thank you! I'm glad that you enjoyed it and that it brought back fond memories! Agreed, so many epic times with this game!

[@ReD-zc3uu]

That was pretty funny how the final Knight version just popped out for a comparison :D

[@mickcraftgaming]

@ReD-zc3uu ha, glad you liked it!

[@ReD-zc3uu]

@@mickcraftgaming Of course I liked that! Also that peasant in the end lmao xDDD On a second thought - I wonder if Blizz wanted to make factions more different by changing HP... Perhaps they wanted to give humans more armor but less HP and more HP but less armor to Orcs (Just as it is in Warcraft 3) and possibly make an Ogre slower than a knight - since he has such huge HP buff over a knight. Though I have questions about the damage balancing... Perhaps that was way too complicated so they scrapped the idea after all :)

[@mickcraftgaming]

@@ReD-zc3uu yeah I'm guessing they struggled to make it feel fair and gave up haha

[@sphtpfhorbrains3592]

Blizzard should have stuck with having differences to the units instead of mirroring their stats.

[@mickcraftgaming]

It definitely worked out well in StarCraft and Warcraft 3! I can see why they simplified things for time and balance sake though (although, they did leave in 300% damage bloodlust....)

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Yup. They realized that mistake and made StarCraft, with that being basically an apology for the mirrored silliness.

[@test-rj2vl]

I guess 110 hp ogres with bloodlust would have been bit much.

[@DCPTF2]

I wonder how Ore would have changed the game, in stuff like AoE and EE you need to have about a 3rd or more of your population as Eco because of how many resources you need to collect, Warcraft is a bit easier since you only need to focus on 2 but having to add a third plus navy eco with Oil would have changed up the game alot

[@Nothing_646]

@@DCPTF2 honestly ore would've made sense because most if not all buildings are made of stone but with having oil though of being added ore would just be odd so understandable why they scrapped it

[@mickcraftgaming]

Definitely would be a lot more resource based decisions to make - it is interesting that Blizzard managed to keep the resource types low in every RTS they made.

[@DCPTF2]

@mickcraftgaming yeah, they got a pretty good two cost system like in Dawn of War

[@tomaszjanowitz3401]

It would słow it down

[@cb4729-v6f]

In terms of differences between Orc and Human: Elven rangers have a +3 damage upgrade while troll destroyers have passive healing and death knights outrange mages by 1 square (...not that their physical attacks really matter).

[@mickcraftgaming]

True, a lot of little differences!

[@Jakob.Hamburg]

The peasant is scouting. ( : Interesting video, thank you for sharing.

[@mickcraftgaming]

You're welcome!

[@pharmerbrob2516]

Very cool video. Funny to see the Foundry on land! Also noticed the Stronghold looks a bit cooler in the alpha version. I like the spikes in the back. They cut those down in the main game.

[@mickcraftgaming]

Thanks! Yeah, a lot of interesting things in here.

[@AGHathaway]

I played this when I was a kid! One of my earliest memories

[@mickcraftgaming]

That's awesome!

[@vladislavkaras491]

Cool to see historical builds! Thanks for the video!

[@mickcraftgaming]

Yes indeed! You're welcome!

[@perzito1]

Another thing I noticed was that the music was the midi version of the song, they probably couldn't fit the normal music, like in WC1 before optimisations, ofc.

[@mickcraftgaming]

Yeah! This alpha build operates very much like Warcraft 1 actually.

[@iamLI3]

woooah coooll.... wonder how cooler it would have been to have a 4th resource and non-mirrored units....

[@mickcraftgaming]

It would have been very interesting for sure!

[@Waytigo]

No kidding! An alpha version! Thanks man. Although I do remember in my late teen years that there's always been a explosion when cancelling buildings getting... built. Maybe my version who knows. Back then nothing was updated on a whim.

[@mickcraftgaming]

Yeah! Pretty cool! So, there is an explosion in the release version, it's just a different graphic used. This alpha was still using an animation from Warcraft 1!

[@Waytigo]

@@mickcraftgaming aaah gotcha! Good to know.

[@PeteOfDarkness]

I can already see how that "accident" looked like. Blizzard rep on the phone: Hey we're sending you vertical slice of this most anticipated sequel of one of greatest game ever made! Gaming magazine rep: Cool! Blizzard rep on the phone: Just please don't include it on your demo disc it's still not final versio... Gaming magazine rep: Blizzard rep on the phone: ...Hello? I guess they've sent it to people that write for IGN now.

[@mickcraftgaming]

Haha, without a doubt!

[@Aeielon]

Great video, Mick!

[@mickcraftgaming]

Thank you! How is your Warcraft 1 playthrough going? I'll have the time to hop back in one of these days!

[@Aeielon]

@ WCI is hard lol and suuuuuper slow I loved the addition of the +/- speed options though in your video, thought that was cool, is that in WCI as well?

[@mickcraftgaming]

@@Aeielon I'm not sure if that works in Warcraft 1, but you can adjust the speed in the options menu. I typically play Warcraft 1 on the second fastest setting personally.

[@Air0087]

Wonder what those "Veteran" missions would've looked like.

[@mickcraftgaming]

Definitely curious! I wonder if they would have just been a harder difficulty or different missions altogether.

[@Alianger]

I thought this would be about Wargus hehe. This is cool to see!

[@mickcraftgaming]

I lightly touched on Wargus in my "How to play Warcraft 2 in widescreen video" and may have to jump into some of that again at some point!

[@Footbucket]

This is so cool! Dope find

[@mickcraftgaming]

I thought so too! A lot of interesting cut content and unexplored possibilities.

[@Kacpa2]

Even spells are for most part mirrors.

[@mickcraftgaming]

Yeah, just a couple of differences

[@WankerTheWetFingers]

Bullshit

[@matthewsteele99]

the troll attack animations and stance looks slightly different from behind

[@mickcraftgaming]

Good catch! I'll have to dig in further

[@FlinnGaidin]

I think you might've needed to use the harvest button (pickaxe icon) that the oil tanker had in order to gather the oil. And it would've been cool to hear the entire mission briefings, lol.

[@mickcraftgaming]

@@FlinnGaidin got it! For sure, I'll likely record a full playthrough of this alpha at some point in the near future, full briefings included 😎

[@FlinnGaidin]

@@mickcraftgaming Look forward to it 😉👍🏻

[@JN-hs5xl]

You got a tick of oil at 4:47 so it seems it's happening automatically

[@mickcraftgaming]

Nice! I thought I saw it go up but I wasn't quite sure, very cool 🛢

[@JN-hs5xl]

@@mickcraftgaming Dumb me, I was actually looking at the ore, the oil didn't tick at all heh

[@mickcraftgaming]

@JN-hs5xl haha, the last time I played the alpha I feel like I got it working no problem. I'll figure it out.

[@tarrker]

Oh man. I forgot just how CHUNKY those peasants were in WC2.

[@mickcraftgaming]

@@tarrker Warcraft peasants are BUILT

[@nangld]

Warcraft ii source code was actually leaked some time ago

[@mickcraftgaming]

A lot of modding potential thanks to that!

[@vazzeg]

Is there any way to play this? I remember getting this back in the day on a demo CD for a magazine all the way in Romania, half-way across the world. I'd love to play these missions.

[@mickcraftgaming]

@vazzeg yeah! There is a link in the video description to where you can download this on "BlizzardArchive" and then I used DOSBox to run the files.

[@pandaprewmaster325]

Wish they kept the difference between units although footmen having higher health than grunts is strange because usually its orcs with higher HP compared to humans with higher armor. Also notice how fast the trolls were attacking looks like they nerfed their attack speed which is pretty sad

[@mickcraftgaming]

Definitely would have been cool to see some more differences! Worked out great in StarCraft and Warcraft 3

[@TheVivalajady]

If ore eas added on release i wonder how the game maps would have been different from release

[@mickcraftgaming]

So much more space would be needed for resources, it would have been pretty crazy!

[@j.k.ravshanovich]

Good ol' days

[@mickcraftgaming]

Absolutely! 🔥

[@Schnidler]

minimap seems a bit different?

[@mickcraftgaming]

Hmm, yeah it does! I think the whole UI is slightly different which may be contributing to that. I'll see if I can figure out the exact dimensions difference here.

[@Nothing_646]

I'm not able to buy games so I gotta stick to good ol pirating but WC2 is an exception, cuz there's a free WC2 game that includes more multiplayer and competivity (I think so it's called War2Combat) anyways Ive been thinking of 100% Starcraft and WC2 and Happy 30th anniversary WC thanks for fulfilling part of my childhood🎉

[@mickcraftgaming]

Yeah War2Combat edition is a good way to play! StarCraft 1 and StarCraft 2 are both officially free from Blizzard now too. Enjoy!

[@ivanlg9447]

Funny enough, we might end trying a new wc2 alpha in 2024. Wc2 remastered coming.

[@mickcraftgaming]

Yeah! Too cool

[@matthewsteele99]

Huh Maybe someone can make a mod restoring some of these cut features

[@mickcraftgaming]

I think some of the Warcraft 2 mods out there add back in the rock mining! I'm not so sure about the find oil feature though.

[@matthewsteele99]

@mickcraftgaming that find oil thing is pretty nifty, tho I think it should work as once to you touch it the oil pool sprite should appear

[@mickcraftgaming]

@matthewsteele99 yeah it's interesting that you have to pay attention to the minimap so much while using it

[@Nothing_646]

@@matthewsteele99 it's really cool but in lore-wise I don't know if it makes sense, excluding magic how do boats track down oil? I don't think they've evolved with technology to get to scanners or detectors, but Warcraft is FANTASY after all so it could work

[@TheKnightOfSmite]

Ore would have slowed the game down given most Warcraft 2 games they tech super fast

[@mickcraftgaming]

Yeah it would have been interesting with another resource and more map space dedicated to that resource

[@Vamooso]

I bet they were thinking to give the peasants and peons upgradable shields

[@mickcraftgaming]

That would be cool! Could explain the positioning in the box too

[@erasamus1057]

did you even play the game??? you have to build derricks on actual oil

[@mickcraftgaming]

I did in this case, the alpha didn't have the oil sprite like we have in release

[@Trendsthismonth]

Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior 📯

[@mickcraftgaming]

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