The Founders Explained - Xenoblade Chronicles 3

Xenoblade 3 might have a little less lore than the previous couple games, but that doesn't mean it has none. Here's a talk about one of the biggest topics!
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[@LS-mb4my]

"this is not Dunban" Hilarious in hindsight considering Shulk became Dunban right down to his moveset lol

[@2yoyoyo1Unplugged]

Well, except he’s unfortunately not nearly as good of a tank as Dunban was lol

[@smartguyjaja]

@@2yoyoyo1Unplugged hes definitely better at taking care of himself though

[@someonesomeone4262]

@@2yoyoyo1Unplugged they ain't bad but the attackers are so good they seem bad in comparison

[@Ephra_wangai]

​@@someonesomeone4262rex the roflcopter

[@thunderknight4149]

@@Ephra_wangai DOUBLE SPINNING EDGE

[@WildFox-h1u]

Glimmer being described as kind hearted is really funny in hindsight

[@2yoyoyo1Unplugged]

She was kind hearted. She just needed help expressing that. You must be unfamiliar with tsunderes.

[@smartguyjaja]

@@2yoyoyo1Unplugged the dere part came out in like 2 scenes through the entire game

[@elinacarmina3050]

@@2yoyoyo1Unplugged I'm familiar with how cringe, unfunny, and problematic they are.

[@Direk091]

She's kind hearted, she just got freed from the cycle and she was in heavy denial. Also, a tsundere.

[@elinacarmina3050]

@@Direk091 Tsundere characters are cringeworthy cliche trash.

[@gamezx]

Well with the recent trailer the house crests finally make sense: 1. Rhoads - Glimmer's spear that turns into a chello 2. Cassini - Rex's aegis swords 3. Vandham - Matthew's gauntlets 4. Doyle - Na'el's energy attack in her artwork 5. Reid - Shulk's monado / A's lucky 7 6. Ortiz - Nikol's mecha arms (surprisingly not high entia wings afterall)

[@jasperjavillo686]

There is a theory that Ortiz and Rhodes are a reincarnated Klaus and Galea, respectively. Ortiz’s description matches Shulk, but also pre-experiment Klaus, being a scientist who crafted a lot of the stuff found in Elysium, as well as jumpstarting life in Alrest. Rhodes’ description lines up with how Galea was a compassionate goddess as Meyneth. Plus, the fact that they would have been reincarnated as people of the world opposite the one they were most benevolent to is a delicious source of irony.

[@potatofarmergyro1720]

It's such a cool idea

[@MoebiusX9]

I'm down with this idea. I firmly believe Mentor Reid is Shulk so this would be pretty cool

[@ColdLeahnade]

That would be awesome and would actually make me want a Founders DLC, but why would Galea have a core crystal?

[@jasperjavillo686]

@@ColdLeahnade Why not? The real life karma interpretation of reincarnation has no restrictions on a human soul being reborn as an insect or vice versa, so why should a pre-experiment human soul be prohibited from reincarnating in a body with a Core Crystal. Heck, Galea was a Machine Goddess in her last life.

[@ninjapotatolorf6237]

Interesting theory. There's absolutely no evidence to back it up aside from circumstantial similarities, but it would be cool.

[@lr4164]

Slightly off tangent, but I love the fact that the argument used against a sequel or prequel is that either goes against the theme of moving on and rejecting the endless now.

[@tyhjyys]

thematically that argument makes sense but it just doesn't apply realistically. im sure we'd all rather have some type of continuation than none at all. zero additional world building, prequel or sequel, for the sake of lore blerbs just seems kinda goofy.

[@danielnolan8848]

It does not go against the endless asset reuse tho

[@johnt9401]

I’ve always found the argument incredibly silly lol. A major story arc in XBC2 has Pyra learning to trust in her own power again after Rex pulls her out of her self destructive downward spiral, and yet the dlc still went on to cover the exact event that resulted in her mind being irreparably shattered in two despite us having already ‘moved on’ from this. Taking this into account, the theme of rejecting the Endless Now being used to argue against the prospect of dlc taking place within Aionios seems rather strange.

[@lr4164]

@@johnt9401 But the main theme for Xenoblade 2 was never about the endless now. It was about how the consequences of the past affected the present and the future.

[@Paradox1012]

@@johnt9401 The difference is that this story has hints and nods and memes (literal term), That implies resolution over more introspection. not saying that the aforementioned argument is good or anything, just saying that a resolution outside of aionios just makes more sense for this story because it can finalize the arcs of characters from 3 and otherwise. Whereas one within aionios cant really do much with a lot of the chracters of 3 as they are now. My theory is that the dlc will just be psyconauts tho lol.

[@RaGiNgBaNaNa101]

26:50 nicely done. Great guess predicting this was a kid of rex and pyra/mytrha. Just rewatching this after completing the DLC is really fun to see the comparisons and predictions

[@punmaster1059]

For Rex’s age problem to be the founder of the house of Cassini, it could be that because he was the driver of the aegis, he lived a longer lifespan. In chapter 5 of XC2, the party was surprised when amalthus appeared so young, to which he replied something along the lines of “i am indoline and the driver of an aegis: it keeps me young.” Then again, he was a **SPOILER** blade eater and cleansing core crystals.

[@gix9704]

Also, is he still a blade eater at the end of XC2? Cause that's an other explanation. But yeah, exactly what you said.

[@samreddig8819]

I think that it's A Rex not THE Rex. Same with Shulk and Dunban.

[@punmaster1059]

@@gix9704 Rex is no longer a blade eater because **SPOILER** the part of the crystal in him is removed by pneuma to allow her sacrifice without also ending in Rex’s death and this was also why he was able to reawaken her.

[@Ryodraco]

@@punmaster1059 he is still the Aegis' Driver though. Of course all this theorizing is dependent on Amalthus having been even remotely truthful about his lack of aging. We know at the very least that similar lack of aging can happen in a regular Blade Eater like Mikhial as well, so Amalthus being an Aegis Driver may not have been a factor at all (and its not like anybody could fact check him, as the only other past Aegis Driver, Addam, disappeared/died long before and thus his aging process could not be observed).

[@ltb1345]

@@samreddig8819 But they look much older than 19, which is the max age that the soldiers in the flame clock system can get to before hitting Homecoming at 20.

[@mr.wildride1954]

This aged incredibly well, good job Luxin!

[@SlyRocko]

it is really funny how when before XC3 released and people were theorising over who Guernica is, a lot of people thought he was Rex or Zeke. Meanwhile one of the Founders' mentors in the game is (according to this vid) Rex with his outfit inspired by Zeke. It all comes full circle.

[@BenkaiDebussy]

People who thought Guernica was Rex or Zeke were always being dumb as hell. A completely baffling theory.

[@EgotisticalAltruist]

The video we’ve all been waiting for since reaching the City…

[@wuwubean]

Crack theory about Shulk’s lifespan. I think your point about Rex living so long because he’s the driver of an Aegis is not only correct, but the same reason Shulk is alive. Because Shulk IS an Aegis driver, or at least the Xenoblade 1 equivalent, thanks to Alvis/Ontos. He’s even got the same core crystal acting as a pacemaker thing going on after Mechonis Core.

[@Boulder7685]

You have retriggered all the agony I felt back at launch when I first found the statues and the circles I ran trying to decipher what it all meant. Glad to see an effort made though, and I certainly feel closer to something of an answer from your video and the comments people have posted. I need more. I have to assume that the second DLC Hero will bring yet another bombshell in their own right (where are they at this point anyways? Omg it feels like it’s been forever since Not-Poppi Ino dropped) and I just have to hope that they answer these questions with them or the story expansion that we still haven’t heard about.

[@cybersoul2809]

I believe that the identity of the 7th is... No one in specific. Like... they made it vague on purpose... Because it’s supposed to be the Hero spot. If we get a Founders DLC, the 7th founder spot is gonna represent the heroes we play with

[@catalyst539]

Spoiler Ahead: It’s Nia. Why is it Nia, you ask? Because the founder used an Ouroboros Stone instead of a statue of themselves, since they didn’t want their identity known. This fits in with Nia, being the Queen of Agnus she doesn’t want the City’s people averting their eyes from Moebius onto Keves as the true enemy. Nia is also the one who made the Ouroboros Stones, so it’s even more proof. This also lines up with how both Vandhams give you Agnian classes, since their founder is Agnian and most likely Nia chose someone from her world since she knew a very important Vandham.

[@cybersoul2809]

@@catalyst539 Yeah, I watched the video. I already knew about that theory before too

[@2yoyoyo1Unplugged]

I don’t want Founder’s DLC

[@cybersoul2809]

@@2yoyoyo1Unplugged I'm greedy and delusional. I want them to surprise us with both a Founders and an Epilogue DLC

[@Bakatacintoki]

Riku is popular guypon

[@blackm4niac]

And now this video needs to be redone given that the DLC gives us SOOOOO much more context to everything.

[@1Thunderfire]

I'm frankly thrilled I managed to work out the 7th Founder and get fairly close to the mark as to the reasoning behind the mystery of the 7th Founder. Seriously though, Riku is an absolute gigachad. A Founder who lent his significant technical expertise to develop the city, an Ouroboros Stone developer who helped bring the stone to its full power, the keeper of Lucky Seven who waited for so many years for a worthy wielder, a frigging genius engineer, and he never seeks credit for anything.

[@RSanchez111]

"Riku not fan of celebrity name-dropping."

[@Leoo117]

​​@@RSanchez111 That, and he probably wouldn't have been able to move around so discreetly and freely to the point of becoming a Keves engineer to find Noah if he had let himself become famous.

[@notyours807]

I would love a video explaining the Motes seen when sending people off, especially what the different colors might mean. I'm particularly curious about the scene where Noah realizes why Motes still appear when he off-saw Joran's puppets. I think the yellow motes seen at homecoming represent the will to move on from the endless now, explaining how they never come back and how they weaken Z and Moebius (who represent the will of the people to stay in the endless now), since they have less life in the population to feed off.

[@emblemblade9245]

The motes are a really interesting thing because they come from both Joran’s mud puppets and Guernica’s eyepatch in Monica’s hero quest. It’s discussed a little and implied that offseeing exists for the living to convey their feelings to the dead, not for the dead to “speak” to the living. As for the golden motes (which I think don’t ever occur from offseeing), that definitely seems like “rejecting the endless now” and returning to Origin instead of the cycle. I wonder if those are the voices Z occasionally speaks to

[@ArinJager1]

I think the red motes are violent/unnatural death (plus fear), basically dying/being killed before the tenth term ends... as for the others? Who knows, really...

[@Lanoman123]

15:29 bruh ain't no way you nailed this lmao

[@Cobaltios]

When he brought that up, I thought, "wait, that actually works... really well."

[@Nerwrax15]

Its so satisfying hearing Shulk's and Rex's descriptions now that its confirmed to be them 👌

[@xanndovo]

18:39 THANK YOU! I thought it was obvious by the front hair, undershirt, and the damn RED SWORD mentioned in the description. but some people still failed to see that this is shulk

[@FireFury190]

My stupid ass somehow thought it looked like Lucina for some reason when I first saw it. It was the long hair that made me think that.

[@xanndovo]

@@FireFury190 Lol now i cant unsee it. the hair definitely resembles hers

[@magicdreemurr3771]

I think the explanation to Rex being alive is that the former lives from Bionis and Alrest who didn't fit the "Soldier" criteria and thus were left unmarked by Moebius were given the Klaus treatment, granting them immortality until they were inevitably slain by Moebius. That's the best headcanon I can come up with.

[@liamruiz3196]

I think that’s the case but for a slightly different reason, the reason why it seems like Rex has immortality is because he is frozen in time along with the rest of Aionios, so unless he is fatally wounded and dies from the attack, he will keep living. Edit: I just saw the clip where Luxin talks about it, I made this comment before seeing the vid.

[@nicovoth7243]

Makes sense considering that Aionios is literally frozen and only pod soldiers are "alive" to fuel Moebius.

[@ElfireII]

I never even considered that there would could be 2 Shulks. I love the visual though. Shulks daughter telling younger shulk about her dad and possibly even lending older shulks notes to kevesi shulk so he could forge is own monado.

[@shylight9731]

Two things: First, I expect the DLC to take place after the main game with questions about the past of Aionios being answered through flashbacks of various characters. Eunies entire subplot after all confirms that experiencing memories of past lives through dreams is a thing that can happen.. Second, on Vandham and Doyle being possibly the children of pre mobius M and N, it has to be noted that Ms death scene takes place in a medical facility, the same facility she gave birth to their son, and her dying due to her time running out, as we can see from the yellow motes coming from her, is very unlikely to be the reason for her to be in the medical facility at that point.

[@masonjohnsonmusic]

I fully expect the DLC to be an epilogue with heavy flashback sequences. Maybe as the player starts Rex or Shulk’s arcs in the expansion.

[@FireFury190]

That's basically what I thought too. Over the course of whatever epilogue story has Shulk and Rex team up with Noah and Mio, the two would get jolts of their memories in Aionios and we'd learn what they did during in their old lives. My whole epilogue idea would basically be a hunt for the Conduit as the two worlds after 10 years since they were returned to normal would end up colliding again. And seeing as the Conduit was what separated the worlds in the first place and likely kept them from merging for millions of years, it can be the quest for the characters of the 3 games to get the Conduit and plug it into Origin to have the worlds merge back together again. Because having Origin constantly preventing the worlds from merging every 10 years will not really solve the problem permanently. And they don't want another Z event to happen again. The main villain would be Consul A who would be a Moebius whose goal is to restore Aionios so they can continue the endless now. And they'd bring back some of the Consuls from 3 who would very likely want to return to that life. Case in point Dirk. Who pretty much loved being Moebius so he could continue his collection for eternity. I'd also bring back Fog Kings back as enemies who would pretty much act as signs that the worlds are merging again. On 1's world they'd look like Guldos like in FC and in 2's world they'd look like Telethia.

[@ltb1345]

She was in the medical facility because she just gave birth...

[@darkraioxxx]

@@ltb1345 I think they're saying she gave birth again. It makes no sense for her to be in the facility because of her flame expiring. Best bet is she gave birth right before she died. N leaves the daugher at the facility because she's a baby and then he takes his son to Fonsett?

[@jamesfzy]

@@darkraioxxx N is even more of a jerk here then. He left the son in the forest and then pass away, while making no mention of his daughter and telling his son to protect his sibling. I doubt that to be case.

[@Pine2142]

First day of the year and we get a banger Luxin video. Starting off right.

[@kimzee59]

Going back to this video after Future Redeemed is a ride and a half

[@dusty2366]

It would be a hilarious bit of fanservice in a prequel story if we get to see an older Shulk (Reid) find a younger version of himself fighting as a Kevesi soldier (probably against Rhodes) and decides to rescue himself.

[@garygiles3464]

I think the Founder represents each protagonist in the Xeno series. Fei, Shion, Shulk, Cross, Rex, and Lora.

[@SnaccHBG]

Is Elma the 7th then? 😏 /s 😔

[@sdbzfan1]

@@SnaccHBG everyone forgets X

[@Darkseid3r]

Cross is X

[@SnaccHBG]

@@Darkseid3r OOPS

[@NintendanGX]

House Doyle looks to be more of an homage to the Wrothian people of Xenoblade X

[@RobSwizz1e]

Coming back here after the trailer dropped. 26:31 - Now we know it is not just a core crystal, but it was in the shape of one of the Aegis cores.

[@KaiweraGaming]

I love how well this video aged with the majority of the guesses and how much it missed on the Ouroboros parts ;) Also, House Ortiz's emblem being their unique weapon is a nice touch.

[@2yoyoyo1Unplugged]

I think Rex and Shulk DID live for centuries, and it comes down to how they were carried over and not reborn. There is dialog about it in Future Redeemed.

[@4wheal]

Not really. There is no dialogue in the DLC that says they lived for centuries, and if anything, they seemed to have actually aged since fighting Alpha and that was only 15 years before the DLC takes place

[@RSanchez111]

​@@4wheal was it 15 or 75 years? And yeah the only thing we get from FR is that Shulk, Rex, Panacea and Linka somehow ended up in Aionios exactly as they were in their respective worlds, whereas apparently almost everyone else was absorbed into Origin. Even the characters themselves don't know exactly why that happened.

[@4wheal]

@@RSanchez111 15 years ago, Z says it has been over a decade since Alpha took over. This also lines up with the last big battle between the city and Moebius, which ended up in about 15 years of peace.

[@shieldlesscap6124]

Welp, we figured out who the 7th founder is, and you had it right the first time lol The 7th founder was Riku, and he chose to keep this fact hidden so he wouldn’t have to account for the fact that he was inexplicably still alive.

[@kpxtreame]

personally i always liked the idea that the 7th founder was Consul A, it would make sense for them not to want to make a statue glorifying the enemy faction, and yet wanting to honour their memory. also saves their design reveal and probably late game joining the party if this is indeed where the DLC will be based.

[@renren47618]

I think that Consul A is Aionios itself The whole "The world is supervillainpon" thing wasn't a random thing and much more a subtle way of telling who Consul A actually is The 7th founder is Nia

[@whitelock1258]

@@renren47618 Consul Archsage

[@yaboydarrell]

this aged well

[@kpxtreame]

@@yaboydarrell hell yeah it did, im so smug

[@fadeddragon2608]

It’s honestly scary how well this video aged

[@Skybird1525]

9:30 Based on the idea each house references a field of human achievement, Rhode's field would be Medicine, and Ortiz's field would be Invention. Film(Vandam), Literature(Doyle), Science(Cassini), Art(Reid), Invention(Ortiz), and Medicine(Rhodes). When writing this, I also noticed that the pairs of human achievements had parallels. Film and Literature are forms of Media, Science and Art tend to pair as a direct opposition, and Medicine and Invention are forms that directly improve people's quality of life.

[@Flomen01]

Here's my theory from extensive consideration of how everything fits: 1. VANDHAM: N and M's grandson. Pretty obvious pick. I can see some interesting drama in a confrontation between Vandham and N. 2. DOYLE: N and M's granddaughter. Added drama for N to scowl at. 3. CASSINI: Obviously Rex as a mentor. I wouldn't be surprised if Aionios's frozen time caused him to stop aging. That's a cool theory. His apprentice likely won't be anything special, but we'll see. 4. REID: The statue here is definitely of Shulk. Probably has a prolonged life similar to Rex. However, I believe this form of Shulk is dead. If the apprentice is his adopted daughter, that would be cool. 5. ORTIZ: With the mentor Shulk dead, I imagine his soul was returned to Origin and thrown into the Endless Now as a Kevesi soldier. This opens the way for an interesting dynamic between him and Reid. 6. RHODES: Absolute mystery here, but I would be totally fine with her being the bland one of the group. 7. FOUNDER 7: Yeah probably Nia. With how short the DLC will be, I can't see them having a bloated cast. The only other person I could see is Riku, but Nia's more likely.

[@kevinr.9733]

Here with the context of the new DLC trailer, I'm betting that Vandham and Doyle were N and M's great-grandchildren, especially if the line, "Like killing granddad wasn't enough for you!" was addressed to N. Reid's mentor and Ortiz both being Shulk with the former being dead seems unlikely just from a timing perspective, but we don't know exactly how long before the rest of the campaign the scene with Shulk and Rex facing off against Οντως is.

[@Flomen01]

@@kevinr.9733 Yeah with the new context, great grandchildren would be much more likely. Whatever the case, we're sure they're at least a few generations down from N and M. I still think Ortiz is a reincarnated Shulk, but I guess we'll see how it turns out. I wouldn't be surprised if the little bit we saw ends up being the prologue to the wave 4 DLC.

[@SH1NK1R01]

I think it’s legit awesome that literally no one considered the missing consul A who was the only moebius never mentioned or seen. Because why would we. And yet here we are. With the 7th very likely just being A and they elected to be hidden probably to avoid people remembering that a moebius helped found the city

[@BurstFlare]

I think the Wave 4 DLC trailer just revealed that the statues are indeed Rex and Shulk.

[@andrerojas1237]

Getting back here from the dlc announcement, you got almost all right sheesh.

[@RSanchez111]

So interesting coming back to this video after FR. I think you should do a follow-up video

[@Miguel-jq6ol]

Oooh the Rex living a long time may also be an Aegis driver thing. It's a long stretch because of the whole Conduit disappearing thing but there is the line about Amalthus being especially long lived even for an Indoline person so perhaps there is some lingering effect there.

[@4wheal]

Turns out all the symbols were the founders' weapons after all. Matthew is the Ouroboros knuckles Na'el is her Ether Accelerators Rex and Shulks are ther swords. Nikol is the arms from his backpack Glimmer is her Kithara weapon

[@MaxWelton]

25:25 I love how everyone calls it Ortiz even though it's Oritz

[@LetTalesBeTold]

oh my gosh, my dyslexia was fooling me that whole time????? I could have sworn it was Ortiz but you’re right 😭

[@tirzahroseroot]

I’d love to see a Fei & Elly/Noah & Mio comparison video in the future.

[@famillesabot5719]

Okay... In gears they f%ck in XC3 it's only a kiss. Joke aside they are pretty similar mostly because it's the same Xeno archetype. If you know both game you can do it on your owne

[@eseph_agen]

This is my favorite thing to talk about from 3. I'm so excited for the DLC. I wanna see my boy shulk all grown up so bad.

[@famillesabot5719]

Yeah same... And I want to confirm my ship... Even if I'm wrong

[@neonblackbeast7243]

@@famillesabot5719 what ship?

[@famillesabot5719]

@@neonblackbeast7243 Shulk Fiora and Reyn Sharla

[@HeliosThor64]

Well now we know the mentors of Reid and Cassini are actually Shulk and Rex, as well as how Vandham actually looks like.

[@solarflarecj1067]

Looking at these statues now after the dlc puts me at a loss for breathe because of how well all of it comes together!

[@Vidilian]

I'm pretty certain the DLC will be a prequel but I'm hopeful we'll flash forward in the epilogue to see what happens to Noah and everyone at the end with a pretty long cutscene.

[@michaelronqedar7919]

18:52: But that's Dunban over there!

[@skiing4everPS3]

An epilogue would be nice because it reasonably brings back like 90% of the characters anyways and there's some plot holes they need to patch up with the city/reincarnations that I hope we don't just sit on. Having an epilogue where the founders exist because of the worlds separating (and then maybe merging? or being close enough to facilitate travel) would be a decent patch to both ends.

[@hyliastone286]

Everything necessitated by an epilogue DLC could be covered with worldbuilding in Xenoblade 4, especially the reincarnations of the City's people. Ghondor and Shania for Xenoblade 4 main leads.

[@KoyomeeAraragee]

YOOOOOOOOO WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE NOW

[@Creeper-ez4kn]

I do believe that you are correct about rex being the mentor of house cassini because you can see rex wielding both aegis swords in the nintendo direct today

[@imixupwords5340]

Looks like the Founders were Rex, Shulk, Glimmer(Rex and Pyra's daughter), Nikols(Shulk and Fiora's son), Matthew(A descendant of N/Noah) and Nael

[@LVPictures]

Honestly good job, highly accurate prediction.

[@Mattjazz47]

When the realization that Rex has a huge family tree in Aionios and start tracing it back in shock.

[@triforceofcourage100]

It’s pretty obvious that interlinking isn’t exclusively romantic. Do remember that the party would have happily killed each other in the beginning of the game. However it is a process that can easily turn romantic. Interlinking requires the absolute baring of one’s soul to their partner. Despite the bluntness of how it’s depicted it’s a very intimate and even life changing experience. With that kind of closeness is it really any surprise that it tends to form close relationships.

[@ArinJager1]

uh-oh, it's the crystal gem fusion from Steven Universe all voer again! >x< (:D)

[@triforceofcourage100]

@@ArinJager1 Not exactly fusions shared personal feelings not memories or otherwise the big twist of Steven Universe would have been revealed long before Steven was even born.

[@liamruiz3196]

In my opinion, I think these are who the founders’ statues are depicting: Ortiz: Shulk’s son Reid: Older Shulk Doyle: the descendant of N and M Vandahm: the descendant of N and M Cassini: Older Rex Rhodes: Either Pyra or Mythra’s child, since one of them could reasonably have a child that looks like Pneuma This is gonna be a bit off topic, but because Mio is heavily implied to be Nia’s daughter, I think it could be a possibility for Noah to be Shulk and Fiora’s son. It’s definitely possible that Fiora has the dark hair gene so again, it’s possible. As well as the fact that Noah’s bangs that cover his ears and the hair in his forehead resemble Shulk’s hair and bangs. And it also makes sense when you factor in Crys and Ortiz potentially being Shulk’s children as well, since it would parallel Rex having 3 children.

[@zent_i276]

Rhodes (Miyabi) would’be Mythra’s daughter’s because Cammuravi is Pyra’s son’s. Mio, Miyabi and Cammuravi has the same mark of Aionions in their necks, Crys and Noah in his hands, Eunie and Ethel in her tits, this could indicate that they are family

[@jessicacreswell3910]

I also have the theory that Noah is Shulk's son alongside Crys, or maybe a grandson. I mostly go off the fact Noah has a very strong intuition, which could be a weakened vision trait from Shulk. Never thought about his hair being similar, lol.

[@IDM4Sunlights]

Just gonna stop this train of thought here : Noah *cannot* be the son of Shulk and Fiora. Their kid would always be blonde as it is a recessive trait, hem hence why Crys is a much more likely candidate. Now that doesn't mean Noah can't be their adopted kid, but it's literally impossible for him to be their biological son unless xenoblade ignores the most basic genetic rules.

[@derpfluidvariant0916]

@@IDM4Sunlights perhaps Sharla and Reyn then? Red hair is often recessive, and of all the people to have a dark haired kid who'd be lore important, they would definitely be my first pick. Totally not just me thinking that we might get to see older Reyn if this happens, nosiree.

[@liamruiz3196]

@@IDM4Sunlightsapparently it is just very unlikely that two blonde parents have a child with black hair. It seems to be a possibility, just not a common one.

[@rebellious6660]

Not original here but Ortiz and Rhodes being a reincarnated Klaus and Galea would be a pretty solid solution to Klaus's final words of "maybe I can face you again, one day, Galea" and this also being the last game that's supposed to relevant to "the experiment" Also I swear we better get a follow up on all of the gnosis nonsense that was going on with the fog King if we get any more shulk content

[@randomobservers8734]

Watching this after the Rex reveal is insane

[@teamrocfan]

Great video as always Luxin. Reading the original Oroborus statues was very confusing for me but you’ve helped make things understandable. Xenoblade 3 is a beautiful game

[@sur-shiner]

There's plenty to work with when it comes to Rex still living a long time, that plenty of people already pointed out. I'd say the main reason why Rex was alive then is the same reason why Mythra & Pyra weren't around

[@eggy7346]

I'm just stoked that we might get to see Vandham v. N in the DLC story

[@RTDelete]

Broke: Ortiz is Shulk Woke: Ortiz is Juju

[@ArinJager1]

The Truth: Ortiz is Turters

[@Scifle]

Studying this video in preparation for Wave 4

[@jb2353]

Here after the teaser

[@ART_OFTHEGAME]

You should have revisited this after the DLC wave 4 trailer drop

[@evanpereira3555]

I think the statues actually shows different generations of Ouroboros : -Cassini's and Reid's statues represent the generation 0, the previous games cast with a fusion of Rex and his mentor Zeke (one eye ) but also Morag (dualblade) and Shulk and his mentor Dunban, which begin the fight against Moebius after Origin highjack and actually aren't Ouroboros (thus the 0) -Rhode's and Ortiz's are one of the first generation of Ouroboros, with Cassini, Reid (the actual people), Noah and Mio (some incarnation pre N and M) or some descendants (if it isn't the six first Ouroboros) which with the help of the generation 0 created the first City (this generation is both composed of soldier "converted" with Rhode and Ortiz and city folk with Cassini and Reid). -Vandham's and Doyle's shows the new generation, post N destruction of the City, which found the second City and unlock the full potential of Ouroboros. The actual people Vandham and Doyle are descendants of the Noah and Mio of the first generation (or descendants of descendants, which is the same). The encounter Founder mention one Doyle's plaque is the generation 0, which were still around and thus explaining how Cassini's plaque mention the restoration. The reason they live centuries and beyond is because they aren't "Aionian" but from the previous worlds and like the two Queens didn't age but ultimately get killed by Moebius. Also there were probably Nopons (insert Riki here) and regular people in the non-Aionian (which worked on the Origin project), which also get killed by Moebius (but faster) and are the ancestors of the Nopons and the first city folk (but before tere was a City). About the keys, well either the whole two casts had keys (and thus Melia's and Nia's are just the last) or there is only two and Melia and Nia were protected by the other (to the cost of their lives). Also maybe Nia wasn't the original key wielder but get its by Pyra or Mythra (she got their swords so it's maybe not the only things they give her). And about Rhode and Ortiz, they are the child of Shulk and Rex trapped in the cycle of reincarnation (like Mio), and manage to get rid of it either by their respective competencies (engineering and health) or with Mio and Noah's perpetual reincarnation like shenanigans.

[@zent_i276]

I agree

[@czalon]

About that sword side tangent, I think that it's actually noah using the original, with N using a replica. I first work on the assumption that the sword we see the noahs use in the memories isn't the sword that was actually used at the time, and that the sword that was used contained the original lucky 7, that was recovered and later on given to our noah. I suspect they showed that sword so as to hint at how these incarnations are the ones that make up N, and to differentiate them from the noah we play as. I can base some of this on two things: The first, being how when you become moebius, you are given a black and purple version of the blade you used in life. A prominent example of this is with J, as we get to see the weapon he used before, and to an extent, M too. Moreover, I would imagine that recreating lucky 7 is more than feasible for Z, as he clearly can do it, or at the very least, he has the means to upgrade it (the sword N uses in the last fight in chapter 7 is proof of that). The second being something Z says in a cutscene in chapter 7: "The sword of the end... Of all the vestiges of Origin, strewn throughout the world, who knew this fragment yet remained?". This quote leads me to believe that he thought that the sword was lost, or was no more. But more than that, it implies that this sword noah is using was known about at one point, and perhaps that it's even older than N's sword.

[@tirex3673]

About Rex and Shulks ages, my guess would be, that they fullfilled some special role in Origin similar to the Queens. Being a High Entia isn‘t enough to explain Melia not aging since the beginning of Aionios.

[@derpfluidvariant0916]

The Kings of Aionos?

[@renren47618]

The easiest explanation is: Since when age has any kind of relevance on anime? Jotaro is 17 and looks like a 30 years old bodybuilder, Rex could very well be sent to Aionios with 60 and be even stronger than in his prime With this considered, probably the founders and their mentors lifespan was expanded by Nia with her powers

[@tirex3673]

@@renren47618 Melia looks the same after over a 1000 years in Aionios, as she looked in flashbacks. The live span of an High Entia seems to be somewhere between 400 and 500 years. How has she not aged? How is she even still alive?

[@nexusvine4475]

Who’s watching this after the DLC came out and realized who exactly the statues are 😅😅

[@AKABoondock19]

came back to see how right you were about things. right about pretty much everything lol well done

[@aneonfoxtribute]

I would assume that, if Shulk and Rex were brought into Aionios as it is, that would be because of their connections with the old world, Klaus, and the Zohar. Since both Shulk and Rex wield Aegis, the AI from the old world, it's possible that Origin could have passed them over when they were making everyone reborn. Or perhaps the parties interactions with Zanza and the Architect caused them all to be passed over when rebirthing everyone, because it's not like we see any reincarnations of any of the main party members from either game. I'm not really sure how or why that would work, but we barely know how Origin works as it is.

[@Super-AntOreo]

I'm watching this video again after the DLC tease in today's direct! I CAN'T WAIT!

[@Osean_Man]

Watching this again after the return of Ontos.

[@Danome1ster]

i gotta say after finished FR I surprise on how accurate some your theory is

[@freewheaties]

What if Ortiz is actually one of Shulk and Fiora’s children and also a brother of Crys. This obviously explains why he is so similar to shulk. And for whatever reason he was never reborn.

[@hyliastone286]

Never reborn 'cuz he escaped the cycle and lived not just to homecoming, but about 6 or 7 decades beyond it.

[@oygemprime3864]

11:23 (spoilers for some relatively early parts of 3) We believe that it was said in the cutscene where Riku gave Noah Lucky Seven that there were seven blades made by seven smiths in ancient times, with Lucky Seven being only one of these.

[@oygemprime3864]

Alright, finally went back and checked - we were misremembering, they said that Lucky Seven was forged from seven types of steel, and no other swords are mentioned.

[@Roboshi2007]

okay so in the FR DLC we have in the ending; Panecea and Linka become the start of those 2 houses. which makes sense when you look at the founders statues and see their mentors as Shulk and Rex. Problem is, Panacea has so many traits that suggest she is related to Monica and Gondor Vandam AND she's shown to have at least some interest in Matthew suggesting those 2 get together. Meaning 2 houses would meet before the city even got started. So either panacea founds house Reid and then leaves it to Join Vandam with matthew, Or they never got together and a later decendant of both houses got together to birth Monica and Gondor down the line.

[@potatofarmergyro1720]

I adore the idea of rex using santoryu with the blades of his wives lmao

[@alexandervolgzangief6759]

Great content, as usual.

[@THEFEZFEZ]

Just rewatched this. We are getting a founders Prequal for sure. I would have preferred a sequel, but this is it. Shulk, Rex and Founder Vandam have the exact same designs as the 3 in the Wave 4 DLC trailer. And Alvis being Mobius A is just the icing on the cake. I assume in the story we'll get how Shulk loses his arm, and how Rex an eye. It all makes sense. I'm really disappointed that it's not the outside Ionios versions of them, as you seem to have put together alot of details here already. But founder Vandam pretty much confirms the prequal.

[@kos-mos2084]

I have never heard anyone refer to Founder Reid as Dunban until you said it. It's not Dunban over there though at all. Cassini is Rex 100% and Reid is Shulk 100%. I thought I knew so much about the founders but your video got me much more interested in them which makes both a prequel dlc and epilogue dlc equally interesting!

[@Missiletainn]

29:12 That's not the Ortiz spot, that's the Reed spot, where the Armless Cloaked Mentor Shulk figure would be. It is to the right of the pedastal, at a 90 degree angle from the door, not a 45 degree angle from the door.

[@zhupps64]

Ortiz might be a reference to David "Big Papi" Ortiz, Hall of Fame baseball player.

[@Curaga-y6t]

this aged well XD

[@MaxWelton]

18:41 That's not Dunban over there!

[@shadicnion500]

I know some other people have said it in here but i think that ortiz definatly has more in common with klaus/zanza then he does shulk. To the point that the manado is zanzas sword, he is missing the same arm the klaus was from 2, The hair is pretty damn similar, labcoat was the klaus look. The only hickup is they are both dead.... but its also possible that when they refused they were stored as light or they lived through shulk, or they did a full reincarnation after they died but before the bionis exploded and ending the zanza cycle.

[@Hi-Im-Gib]

I love how Luxin is literally just a more disorganized, lower budget matpat but for everything Xeno related. Don't take that as an insult tho, I love that about Luxin.

[@BLeezyBones34]

In xenoblade 2 it’s said almathus didn’t age because he was the aegis driver. Same could be said for Rex? But he grew up so that obviously punches a hole in the theory

[@molduga]

Amalthus did age, just a very slow pace

[@zionwilliams9492]

Oh well seems this vid needs to be remade now

[@bumblebeebee31]

I always looked at the vandham crest as a phoenix cause I assumed it was a reference to Roc! It just looks like a bird to me!

[@niffsuryoutube]

My guess is, as XC3 let the player chose a seventh party member, that the seventh founder may be unknown in the main game because it is up to us to "select" a character met during the dlc's story for the final fight against moebius and the city's liberation.

[@Miguel-jq6ol]

This may be me tryna extrapolate from not enough info but my interpretation is that the "first true ouroboros" refers to interlinking and the Ouroboros before just had weapon swapping or utilised the power the stone produced somehow. We never get any implication N and M or any pre N and M Noah's and Mio's can interlink which is odd cause they'd just need to swap in the models. There's also a line in Noahs Chapter 6 flashback scenes wtith the Ouroboros stones where the dude with Taions VA mentions some still hidden functions and "The power it's releasing is more than enough" possibly implying they were just opening and bottling the power the stone generated. We also see that the central bit housing the gear of origin that Vandham slams in to give the main party their powers is still intact. The cage bit around the gear also seems to be gone after Vandham slams it in, the gear is just hovering in place after and by the time Shania appears the stone itself loses energy so specifically pressing that big cylinder is likely the key to fully unlocking the Ouroboros power.

[@anamethename3327]

The ending completely blows the interlink pairs theory out of the water.

[@the3amebros937]

29:35 he could also be Juju, he did after all have a decent amount of mechanical knowledge from what I remember and he literally laid the new foundation of colony 6 in Xenoblade 1 with the help of the player of course, and I doubt Shulk wouldn't want to share sword crafting knowledge with someone

[@totalradlad]

Founder Juju sounds amazing

[@robinontheground]

Possible name reference guesses: Ortiz could be referencing Diego Ortiz, a Spanish musician known for making large contributions to the world of string instrumentation. The reason I’m a bit iffy on this is the fact that music is one of the few art forms the people of Aionios do have access to in the form of off-seeing, the other being painting. Rhodes is likely referencing Cecil Rhodes, who served as a prime minister in the Cape Colony of South Africa but is primarily known for being a businessman. This could be referencing the economy and culture built up over various decades in the City, something unique to it. While Aionios does have shops and a working economy, it is very well regulated to keep the war going, and has no room to blossom or evolve on its own.

[@SlyRocko]

Clarifications for the Founders now that Future Redeemed has been out for a couple weeks: Vandham and Doyle: Actually great-grand children. Parents killed by Moebius, and grandfather killed by N during the destruction of the first City. Both are Agnian, probably because of genetics. Cassini and Reid: Linka and Panacea respectively. Their mentors are Rex and Shulk respectively. They are not Linka or Panacea's daughters, but they are daughters of members in their parties (Z+P and R+S) Ortiz and Rhodes: Nikol and Glimmer. Them living beyond 10 terms is because of stuff that happened at the end of FR. "Kind healer girl" is a pretty funny inaccuracy, out of everything else in this vid. Glimmer is probably Pyra (or Mythra)'s daughter while Nikol is Shulk+Fiora's son, both reborn into Aionios. Considering Nikol's weapons, I don't think the symbol is headwings 😔 Seventh Founder: Either A or just common variety Nopon. It most likely is the latter one though, since bro is just carrying Lucky Seven and analysing the Ouroburos Stone during FR. He also doesn't like fame so it checks out.

[@sonicrunn3r895]

I'm personally leaning towards A actually, given their importance and words at the end about how their existence and fight with Alpha will be likely lost to time (not in those words obviously but along those lines), and that tracks with their identity being lost to time + the plaques are about the founders fighting MOEBIUS and not Alpha, something that could be seen as retconned in but obviously with FR being planned out at the same time as 3, it must've been a conscious decision.

[@soccerthepkmnmaster]

@@sonicrunn3r895 It is probably Riku. A didn't really help with rebuilding the city and she really didn't have much reason to hide the identity of the seventh founder while Riku does. Plus, Matthew pretty much named all the founders at the end of the DLC, which basically acts as a confirmation on who the 7 founders are.

[@RSanchez111]

More than not liking fame, he probably knew he would live through the centuries and didn't want some statue giving away his identity.

[@a-zfan3229]

og noah and mio were lost numbers and had an ouroboros stone, but i dont think they ever found out how to activate it. I think Taion voice guy even says so much

[@Matthew_Murray]

Really interesting watching this post Future Redeemed

[@deatho0ne587]

Cassini also seems a bit like the Mobies Triton, which ultimately would be kind of funny for Rex to have turnned into but I can kind of see it.

[@supersaiyannaruto1]

so we got a wave 4 tease trailer and I remembered this video .....

[@cjthenarhwalking1378]

Looks like rex and shulk were a part of origin which explained their long life

[@JoeSmith-xp5ll]

THE CRESTS ARE THEIR WEAPONS!