The Fountain that Divided the World - Here is the Real Story

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@pittosia Жыл бұрын

At first I'd love to thank you for ALL work that you're doing here. It's amazing how much I have learned from your videos! Art history is the biggest passion of my life, but in my work I have no contact with it... and thanks to ppl like you, the art somehow seems to be closer to me. And secondly, thanks for this particular video!! It's not only very informative, but also though provoking... I have seen The Fountain so many time times, but I never knew the whole story behind it. Its amazing! ❤

@majaernest 4 ай бұрын

Oh, I really feel you when you said how the history of art is your biggest passions but it's not included in your work. The same is with me and it's so nice to have these kinds of platforms where we can enjoy it :)

@germainelowpt7206 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for taking the time to make a video where you take the time to explore and explain all the implications of this art piece (weither we consider it as is or not, we have to admit it is historical)

@HunterLanden-fn5of Жыл бұрын

I’ve watch a few of your videos and like them very much. You have subtle yet straight forward approach to art history as well as very informative. This is my favorite so far thank you for your time and effort making theses videos.

@bev9708 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely FASCINATING!!!! No matter what we may personally think of any individual piece of art, there is always something fascinating to learn and broaden our own horizons, AND perhaps even broaden our own taste and appreciation, and your insight and knowledge makes that journey a true pleasure Carel!!! For myself personally, it wasn't until I started studying art history in earnest (especially after studying Renaissance Art History in Florence, in Italian 😁😁) that I started to lose respect for so much "modern" art, most especially so much art since the late 60s and 70s when it all really earnestly started to become just about money and a huge fraud , an utterly manipulated market! Maybe you can guess I am quite a fan of Robert Hughes? (And not just because he's a fellow Aussie 😂) MAYBE that's one reason why people get so angry about this one??? Seeing this piece really was the root of all the BS we have today?? Or opening the door?? 🤷🏻‍♀ FASCINATING anyway Carel, as always, and many many thanks... such a great choice!!!

@diane-fm4fn Жыл бұрын

Very interesting and thought provoking! I have seen pictures of it but only knew about the ready mades being used as a pieces of art. I never heard the backstory. Thank you for making the video and your time in the research to teach us more about it. I always looked at it as satire.

@eminekurtdogan4385 Жыл бұрын

74 like very nice video 💯☕👍🙋🏻‍♀️

@jeff__w Жыл бұрын

My take is that the fact that Marcel Duchamp, almost half a century later, managed to come up with the name of an ironworks, J.L. Mott on 118th Street, that actually existed in that location is, in itself, a pretty good basis for thinking that he was the one behind _The Fountain._ That the company did not sell to the public or, for that matter, sell that particular urinal, isn’t really dispositive-it might have had some display or prototype model that hadn’t made it into the company catalogue and whoever was onsite that day might have just made an exception to sell it to someone who walked in off the street. If Else von Freytag-Loringhoven, his friend, made artwork out of plumbing works, it’s not really a stretch to think that Duchamp’s urinal-turned-artwork was some sort of nod toward, or, at least, influenced by, her. As for liking or “hating” _The Fountain,_ I seriously doubt that anyone _likes_ it as itself-it’s a pretty ugly work of art. But that’s not the point. It might be “anti-art” but I tend to think of it as “meta-art,” that is, art _about_ art, prompting the eternal question “What is art?” And, to the extent that anything intended to prompt _something_ by its aesthetics _could_ be art, it’s been pretty successful.

@BFreiesleben 7 ай бұрын

that´s what I often experience. If you just step in and be frankly, things will happen that are different from the usual. And if he was for this urinal in the window because he had sth. in mind and had just asked about - I mean, let this guy take it, We have more of these.

@vutuyen9933 Жыл бұрын

Thank for sharing

@goguygo 5 ай бұрын

I"m bummed that Carel hasn't put anything up on youtube lately. I appreciate his knowledge and I''ve learned a lot from his information of each work of art he has commented on- many of which I have made trips to see. But I don't know anything about instagram or care about facebook, so I guess I'll have to plod on without Carel's excellent insights. :(

@AnaCecilia_. 6 ай бұрын

How I miss your precious videos, I'm reading the divine comedy and I found myself thinking how I would like to hear you talk about some works in museums that were inspired by Dante, or talk about Gustav Dore or William Blake. I learn so much from you, here are my humble suggestions, but above all, thank you very much because for your content.

@majaernest 4 ай бұрын

I really like your videos. They are so educative, and yet you really enrich them with your thoughts and visions. I truly enjoyed how you gave a different aspects and points of view about the modern art.

@storiesofart 4 ай бұрын

Glad you like them!

@blogculturieuse2087 5 күн бұрын

Thanks for your Fountain's video. I think that Elsa, Louise ou Duchamp is the author is not the question. All the Duchamp's work is about a sociological question: la loi de la pesanteur. Duchamp approaches this in his work "The bride stripped bare by the bachelors even" who's named le Grand Verre (1915-1923). Look at the year, it's before Fountain (1917). This Large Glass evokes the synthesis of Duchamp's releflection on art, the two poles of all artistic creation: on one side the artist, on the other the spectator who, over time, becomes posterity. And Fountain is the proof of this concept.

@armcuts Жыл бұрын

I’m Absolutely swamped with work right now but I always appreciate your insight Carel. I can’t wait to set aside some time to hear your thoughts on the dada movement

Жыл бұрын

Very nice video 💯💯💯

@chellybub Жыл бұрын

The fact that 100 years later we are still here discussing the validity, or lack thereof, is exactly what the dadaist movement was trying to provoke. If I put an old urinal somewhere in the public, I don't know that I, or anyone else, would call that art at face value. But the fact that it was submitted to a gallery to test the ideals of the allegedly libertine art community means that it is art. Like you said, it begs the question, "what is art?" I think perhaps the discussion being had here is whether or not something is only art if it is accepted as art, and so why do institutions like art academies have this authority to determine what is or isn't art? Why is it only up to the gallery, etc.? The provocation itself is an expression with intent, which is a form of art. To truncate, the urinal itself isn't art, even in at the dysfunctional angle on a plinth. The provocation, on the other hand, is. So perhaps "The Fountain" placed in a gallery isn't the art, but the challenging of the institution of art then transforms "The Fountain" into art as a representation of said provocation.

@sandracassinelli5874 Жыл бұрын

Artists are very interesting people. I am a great admirer of art and the artists themselves. They live in a world we plebes cannot hope to understand or inhabit. But we can admire. We can be provoked.

@TheCompleteGuitarist Жыл бұрын

I used to be interested in Duchamp and the lot of them. 4 years at art school and a few years reflecting on the corpus of world art woke me up. Most art post photography is little more than personal therapy. Artists pre photography mostly worked to commission. The industrial age made the need for art redundant. Duchamp isn't making art, he's just trying to pass time as un bored as possible.

@stephenogier7499 Жыл бұрын

Great video! Very thought provoking. Is it art? I think it probably is, though I don't know that I would want it on display in my home. What is art? I'm not sure that there is a good answer to that, but maybe like beauty it's in the eye of the beholder.

@stickshifter8 Жыл бұрын

Hi Carel, great video and story surrounding this iconic object and Duschamps. Amazing to learn that he lived in my home country Brazil for some time. I will definitely do some research on that! Is it possible to hire you for a guided tour of the Rijksmuseum? Thanks!

@storiesofart Жыл бұрын

Yes you can! contact me on Carelstoriesofart@gmail.com and we can see when and what!

@warrenpayne7649 8 ай бұрын

Duchamp was like Warhol, having fun with us all.

@dealp3316 Жыл бұрын

Fantastisch verhaal Carel

@doghouse100148 5 ай бұрын

What about the tag on the original.?

@eteixeira3532 Жыл бұрын

I think people don't hate an 100 years urinal by itself, but for what it ignited in the following years and the decadence of art in general.

@MrMjp58 Жыл бұрын

Well stated.

@blogculturieuse2087 5 күн бұрын

Is this decadence or opening? That's the question and the video shows how Fountain questions the mind about art.

@men_del12 Жыл бұрын

My dilema conclusion would be that: If it's an art, it's radical purpose mostly for art gallery self evaluate how far an art can be. If it's not, then it's also a thought how far it couldn't be an example of what art can be. ....Either way, it's also another more confusing third pov when one would argue that "It only works because it's in gallery or else a toilet/ glassess/ teddy bear/ poop can/ any such object will lose its value/ integrity outside the gallery, hence only dumping out as another trashes to our environments, unlike paintings/ sculptures/ photographs".......With the fire back argue also asking: "but how far the so-called proper arts like paintings/ sculptures/ photographs/ any so-called fine arts could've looked proper when they also experimented many times into as equal can be as the outcasts said trashes?"..........At this rate I'm afraid it'll need more decades to discussing what art is, which I guess that's the whole point of this fountain anyway no matter what the answer maybe 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅