The Fourth Way Explained

[@soapmode]

Great talk, thank you. I've been paying a lot of attention to Goggins and Stix too, and you're on point that they have the 'large eared dwarf' aspect. However, I think Goggins is the right kind of 'dwarf', in that his extremes / overdeveloped aspect provides a needed compensation to our skewed, off-kilter culture. He is manifested in the body; in physical labor, health, discomfort, endurance, and pain, because currently we're heavily addicted to abstraction, passivity, overthinking, obesity, and comfort. His message may not be for all times, but it's definitely for our time.

[@Foukez]

After 34 years of life, being initiated at 9yo and leaving the occult school at 20yo to be self dictate, Now 35yo I started the fourth way naturally 6 months ago, just by self trying internal moves. Never heard of gurdjieff before. Today I finally find someone who walked this way that I started without having a name to it. But felt a relief of warm waters when you phrased - Put the center of gravity in the conscious itself. That's where life and my spirit put me in. Now I have something to study and help me on what is clearly my path for now. Thank you so much. May God bless your path and may the light always be on your way 🙏

[@NoHylicsAllowed]

No problems brother! 🙏🏻❤

[@AlchemicalForge91]

Wim Hof somehow channeled the pain of his wife's suicide into absolutely super human abilities such as staying under frozen ice sheets and climbing everest in shorts and no shirt or oxygen tank

[@elvenadohostil8607]

This is what I get for looking in to the Elder Scrolls lore. Lol

[@pbzeppelin6167]

23:30 "Hallo Danny"👭🏼

[@soapmode]

new to Gurdjieff, but I can help hearing "Some are wrong brotherhood". He had a pretty dry sense of humor, right?

[@NoHylicsAllowed]

Haha, yup

[@woodandwandco]

Gurdjieff cannot be understood by reading the supplemental works of his students. I highly recommend reading all 3 books of All and Everything, particularly the 3-part "Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson", which is both a wonderful mythos and a total re-envisioning of a way towards remembering the Self moment-to-moment as compared to other systems such as Yoga, Tantra, Sufism, and Dao. The main distinction is that Gurdjieff was unapologetic about using whatever method of process that worked, as well as unapologetic about integrating his own shadow, which he displays clearly in the texts in his tales of trickery and manipulation. It is this baring of one's reality to the world that makes Gurdjieff a true Master. He was never afraid of being discovered fully. He was the book, and it was open for all to read. Gurdjieff may have taught many students in person, but the reason he wrote Beelzebub's Tales is clearly written in the book itself. He was hoping to publish a series of 36 books detailing every aspect of his understanding but resorted to compressing the whole of it into a series of 3 books, the third of which was never completed, because he understood that with the tools and time at his disposal, his work would ultimately remain incomplete, regardless of pace and level of output. This gives the impression that somehow, it is in the later works that his system would finally be expounded, but Gurdjieff only used systems with his students, and they were highly specific and catered to each type of student. He was not interested in expounding systems of psychology, philosophy, or theology. He was interested in awakening individuals. His students were interested in expounding what they thought were Gurdjieff's philosophies based on what he taught them. That is why each lineage of students of a Master ends up writing something that appears slightly different to the uninitiated, leading to bifurcation rather than union. This is a perennial problem in the relationship between the Master and the student, and ultimately, why the student needs the Master while the student remains a student. When the Master is lost, the student who is still a student, thus still dependent on the Master, remains a student. Everything they say and do in the wake of the Master remains within the boundaries of the shadow of the Master. This is the problem with the later writings on the works of Gurdjieff. There had not yet since been a second being that was capable of providing exactly what was needed for the individuals who came to them for guidance in the particular way that Gurdjieff could. Not until Osho. If there is one author worth reading when reviewing Gurdjieff's work, it is the limited amount of spoken word transcriptions of Osho on Gurdjieff. I highly recommend the book "Awareness" by Osho as further reading on Gurdjieff's and others' works. On awakening, Gurdjieff's works are autopoietic, in the sense that no effort is required on the part of the reader. One need not even attempt to understand the deeper meaning behind the words. The key is in the synthesis of the text itself. One need only read it without judgement, without thinking about other works, without interrupting oneself with ideas about this and that. Simply imbibing the text is sufficient. Gurdjieff's work leaves a deeper and deeper imprint over time, and more insights can be found in ancient spiritual texts and practices upon imbibing his work. The real gift Gurdjieff has posthumously given to me is the gift of radical reframing. Because of his ability to remove himself from the equation when analyzing his own thoughts and actions and those of others, and because of his intentional use of tense and verb, as well as the invention of transjective meta-linguistic vocabulary, he is able to break one's mechanical framings for them. The reader need not expound effort to understand a narrative or system or even follow some set of rules. All effort is geared naturally towards integration, because the information is highly compressed, thus impossible to fully grasp without bypassing the subconscious mind, and the text itself trains one to do so without providing techniques or forcing you to submit to some form of superstition or belief system. He recommends reading the book in 3 different ways in sequence in the introduction: Once as one is accustomed to reading a novel or newspaper or other tabloid content. (Eros: monadic indulgence / egoic desire / physical integration / I-me) Once as one does when reading aloud to another such as a bedtime story or a book club setting. (Kairos: interrelation / social / dependence / emotional integration / I-thou) And only then, once as one does when attempting to understand. (Agape: emanatory / insightful / autopoietic / fluidity / mental integration / I-I) Even in the first few words of the book are keys to embodying the process of moving from ego to emanation, from separate indulgence to participatory knowing, and finally, to profound insight, and a deep, experiential connection to the Self. This is what Gurdjieff meant when he prescribed Self-remembrance as the key to awakening and entering into the real world. Gurdjieff's works are nudges in the direction of Self-remembrance when read through eros, they are shoves when read through kairos, and they are a rocket engine boost when read through agape. It is the emanatory aspect of Gurdjieff's work that often goes missed by his students, as they were "lopsided", to use terminology the author of this video previously introduced. His students were trying to rationalize the irrational, so they developed systems and theories like all the schools and religious institutions before him. Gurdjieff recognized the futility of such endeavors and went straight to the source, shaping the sequence of insights to the individual. If you want the kinds of insights Ouspensky had first-hand, you are better off reading Gurdjieff than reading Ouspensky. Ouspensky can give you much fuel for your imagination and intellect, but offers little in terms of your experiential moment-to-moment Self-remembrance. Gurdjieff skips the theories and practices in his written works, prescribing such things only in person to those who were as of yet uninitiated and wavering about. First of all, they needed to be steady. Once they were silent of mind and steady, only then the real work could begin. Gurdjieff's own writings are experiential keys to a steady existential experience, a foundational platform from which exploration becomes a joy, and insight is a natural consequence. When read through eros, his work is destructive to one's own ignorance. It is a painful experience at first, but it is saturated with deep truths. When read through kairos, deep oppositions arise. Argumentation occurs, doubts, beliefs and disbeliefs, a profound sense of unease about one's participation in the process, fears take over, memories, entangled thoughts and emotions, arise, and with them, the opportunity to disentangle and integrate the perceived differences and sense of separation with that of relation. When read through agape, all opposition ceases, clarity is present, and automatic disentanglement of all knots occurs sequentially and intuitively, without the need for active participation, simply through absorption alone.

[@heyitsroy6672]

Speaking of sacrificing yourself, an esoteric interpretation for the 5 wounds of Christ is symbolic of surrendering your 5 senses.

[@burgertime72]

Goggins: Navy Seal

[@7cuchulain]

Thank you 🙂

[@OmerosDeadmachine]

Good vid I needed this to see this

[@secondaccount6647]

Talk more about gurdjieff please

[@NoHylicsAllowed]

I have a couple of videos planned. And then a Gurdjieff one will come!

[@raycosmic9019]

Ouspenski was unable to work on his emotiinal center, exalting women and denigrating men in his group, establishing a hierarchy of merit and status, which Gurdjieff sought to expose and eliminate. Thus, their parting of the ways. On his death bed he confessed to his students that they could not complete their self-integration with what he had taught them, and would have to return to Gurdjieff to complete the course. He failed to become man #4, dying as man #3. Gurdjieff used him as a broadcaster in concession to the collective identification with the formatory part of the intellectual center that needs graphs and logical proofs to get started, in contrast to those with magnetic center instinctively drawn to the Work from the Heart. Soul = Integrated Psyche: Mind = Inspiration Heart = Aspiration Will = Volition Integration = Integrity = Soul When the Heart aspires, the Mind inquires and the Will conspires (combines).

[@NoHylicsAllowed]

What are your thoughts on Rodney Collins?

[@raycosmic9019]

@@NoHylicsAllowed He was familiar with the various schools and traditions of the time but was uncommitted to any particular one, taking a more eclectic, syncretic, individualistic approach. Whether he actually made it to balanced man #4 or remained man #3 is still an open question. Kinda depends on who you ask. I found his books helpful at the beginning of my journey. Not so much later after I discovered Nicoll's Commentaries.

[@gratefulkm]

Mind , which mind ? Heart, your meant to explain what you mean by heart, yes the heart pumps but what tells the heart to pump ? just saying heart is nonsense Will What will ? The imaginary imagined in the imagination will ? or the will that decides and tells the cortices what to do , including that noisy Left PFC Your outstanding memory and the not giving it a break, reveals all Question ? Do you believe "G"'s teachings are for everybody ? Or do you believe that they are for people that are little bit special and vastly different from the Sheep Like you can cant enlighten someone who already exists in even a tiny bit of light To Enlighten someone they need to trapped in Eternal darkness "you cant fix what is not broke" and what specifically "broke" could "G" have been fixing ? Like Nasser Mullah nadeen always says 1 man stuck in a hole, another man shouts instructions to the man in the hole, how to climb out a million people already on the surface, never ever been in a hole, all interpret the instructions to mean something to them, then they start to imagine they are in a hole, just so the instructions make sense to them And just because of the Sheep's herd like nature all following each other ,the Instructions that are shouted to the people stuck in holes had to be encoded Just like that old "kundabuffer" which is obviously not to be taken literally Now if you want you can describe in detail the darkness you are stuck in And if that darkness is really dark, then you will need to practice remembering what you are and what you did and what happened to you, my dear Wolf, But of course you could be just a sheep shagging Shepard , to be a Shepard your going to need a shock that can only be via an intervention

[@raycosmic9019]

@@gratefulkm The Work is only for those with the eyes to see and ears to hear. Not for everyone.

[@gratefulkm]

@@raycosmic9019 Do you know the modern scientific term ? That science in its ignorance named them , the people that have things they need to remember, remember what they experienced , but don't know that they do , because they cant remember it happening to them , They don't remember when they were cast into eternal darkness, left eternally going around the twist , because of Love

[@secondaccount6647]

♥️💛♥️

[@martinwilliams9866]

I know where he got his stuff from! For instance the 4th way comes from Plato's harmonious beehive & chariot & also Antoine Fabre d'Olivet's intellectual centre, passionate centre & instinctive centre combined into volative life. You really don't know about staying on the subject, got bored bye.

[@gratefulkm]

This stuff is hundreds of thousands of years old, its called biology And biology pays absolutely no attention to the left PFC

[@ednwhwfncndhznofeqop9300]

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[@gavinchristiantoro]

Danny needs discipline. Read him The Bible 1 verse a day.

[@mortalclown3812]

I love Christ, yet wonder at your suggestion to only read a book pawed at and ruptured both in content and intention: one oft edited for political motives. Councils of uninspired men seeking control changed and omitted vital occurrences . Add to this, lengthy delays between events and when they were recorded... That people press their faith only in such texts is staggering. That they believe God has been silent since then is even more so.