The Fox Body Porsche Killer: The Story of the 1981 Zakspeed Mustang.

[@SeanGavin-rf5vd]

Basically a re-shelled Zakspeed Turbo Capri that was raced in Group 5 in Europe. Same chassis, suspension, gearbox and Zakspeed 1.7 litre 4 cylinder that was twin turbocharged and twin inter cooled. The Zakspeed Capri are so legendarily that there are RC cars, scale models, and are in various racing games. There are a few that still race in historic racing series in Europe.

[@coache1nine]

Being a car guy most of my life, this rivalry had me torn. My uncle aka Big brother ,😂was deep into Porsche so I knew the history. My dad, aka little brother, first car was a Mustang and my favorite car. When I saw that advertisement of the Mustang beating the Porsche, it immediately caught my interest. I couldn't believe it. My uncle, dad, and I talked about these cars. Discussing turbos, handling, brakes, etc., I had a poster of the Zakspeed Mustang on my wall. I still love my Porsches and Mustangs, but this era was special.

[@scottsvt9104]

That’s awesome! Yes, I don’t think there has been any era quite like it since!

[@garneauweld1100]

Every time I want to hate Ford, I see stuff like this and then I love Ford again.

[@mchristr]

The number of cylinders doesn't matter at all. It you push too much boost into an engine you'll have cylinder sealing issues (unless it's similar to an Offy). Sure wish Ford had put the Cosworth YB into the Mustang. What a car that would have been.

[@RollinTwentySix]

Thanks for posting this! I had never heard of the Zakspeed car. I love how it uses the early Fox; I've always been partial to the quad-light Fox. What a crazy lil engine!

[@scottsvt9104]

There wasn’t much information on the car so I figured I’d try to make a video of it. It’s such a unique race car. I too like the early Fox Mustangs. So I’m glad people are seeing this race car for the first time. I think it deserves to be remembered.

[@DChrls]

I remember reading an article about this car and Klaus Ludwig saying it was a hard car to drive because the engine had a narrow power band and massive turbo lag. I still have a model I built of the Zakspeed/Roush white and blue Mustang.

[@scottsvt9104]

I believe it. It probably lacked a lot of torque before the boost kicked in. He was probably fighting to stay in the power band the whole time. I totally understand why Roush wanted to use a V8 engine instead.

[@Patriot46426]

I believe i built a model of this when i was kid, very detailed

[@scottsvt9104]

They made some very detailed models in the 1980’s of this car. I wouldn’t mind building one today if I could find one.

[@lesflynn4455]

Wow. The photo at 11.41 with the Miller Zakspeed Mustang one wheel ahead of the red Momo 935 is so iconic.

[@scottsvt9104]

It’s my favorite Zakspeed Mustang photo.

[@BradleySomics]

They are indeed in 3dog garage in Boyertown, PA being restored. Racing again, doubt it. Private collection of Ford vehicles. Definitely worth visiting if you can get in on a tour. Lots of other Ford race and show cars along with some gorgeous artwork.

[@scottsvt9104]

I’d love to go there and check them out. I checked their website and they seem to have some pretty famous cars. For sure those cars are probably too valuable to race again but it would be cool to see them drive on a track for a vintage spectator event.

[@BradleySomics]

@@scottsvt9104 I meant to get back to clarify that I only saw the Miller beer car there. I have some pics of some of the cars there.

[@scottsvt9104]

@@BradleySomics Wow, so they did restore it back to the Red and White Miller colors? I’d love to see those pictures. I contacted 3dog garage and they gave me times when they’d be open but I’d have to plan way ahead as it’s a long trip for me.

[@scottfritz4988]

@@scottsvt9104 I saw the red and white Miller car in person last Saturday. It is truly amazing the quality of work they did in restoring it. It was probably never that nice when it was built. It will race again. They run all of their cars. When I first saw it there it was painted tan and had the Camel GT decals on it. It was literally falling apart. The white and blue Mustang sat next to it but was in better shape. The white and blue Mustang is at their composite shop getting new body panels made and is next in line to get restored. The motor was sitting on the floor ready to go, so was the rear axle assembly. The Charlie Kemp Mustang II was there fully restored also. I can send you some pictures.

[@Ozhull]

​@@scottfritz4988 dude thanks for this info!! So cool

[@Joelontugs]

That dude zak didn’t fuck around lol

[@blkcoupequattro]

I have a 1980's SVO catalog near the back they have the 1.7 liter Mustang/Probe turbo engine listing along with 2.3L engines 1.6 Formula Ford service parts. Myself I had a 1980 MK1 Fiesta with a draw through turbo on it, the car had an adjustable TurboNetics wastegate, 15psi lets go...5.0 Mustang hunting lol

[@scottsvt9104]

That’s an interesting piece of history! I bet that little Fiesta was fast and really light weight. The old Turbo cars of the early 80’s are some of the more interesting cars in my opinion.

[@wm9904]

The 935 was an absolute monster

[@scottsvt9104]

Agreed, it’s also one of my all time favorite race cars.

[@Hackenbaker]

I have these livery Mustang in Monogram scale models. Are awesome!

[@scottsvt9104]

Nice! Those kits are hard to find. I used slot cars for this video.

[@LeeePowers]

I have this livery on all my Fords on Gran Turismo 7. Recently put the Texaco RS500 livery on the Ford GT

[@anonymousplanetfambly4598]

Holy headgaskets. That much power out of 1.7 liters is insane...but the weight is even crazier. ~1700lb...!

[@scottsvt9104]

Absolutely, the weight is really what surprised me the most about the Zakspeed. With that power to weight ratio the car must have been brutally fast.

[@RobertRobert-zh2ez]

I saw them race at Sears Point when they were painted white with blue stripes, with Zakspeed Roush on the side of them, number 6 and 16, with Klaus Ludwig and Rick Mears driving them.

[@scottsvt9104]

That would have been fun to watch in real life I’m sure.

[@RobertRobert-zh2ez]

@@scottsvt9104 It was great!

[@stevenagy7152]

Good thing the car was faster than the pacing of this video.

[@chrismorris6544]

I was at Road Atlanta when the Miller Mustang made it's debut and I was under the impression that it was a 2L. It was fast vary fast and could work the corner as good as the other GTP cars. I can't remember the drive I think Klaus ? He was the drive that started pulling his driver suit up and zipped it when the press was around. As they all do now.

[@scottsvt9104]

They did use a 2.0 in the GTP Ford Prototype. But I’m not sure if the Mustang got it. And you are right, it was Klaus Ludwig as the main driver.

[@chrismorris6544]

@@scottsvt9104 Thank You

[@saleen367]

@@scottsvt9104 The original engines of the Mustang GTP cars was a 1.7L. I watched them win Road America in their debut in 1983. It wasn't until 1984 that the team switched to the 2.1L engine which proved to be quite unreliable.

[@scottsvt9104]

@@saleen367 Yeah I think Ford was just pushing the limit too hard with those 4 cylinders. Roush tried to convince them to use a V8 but Ford wanted to stick with the small engines instead. Must have been cool seeing it happen in person at the track though.

[@Greenstang02]

The car you speak was dominant in the hands of Ludwig. But reliability was low, sadly. Ford should have used back then the turbo 2.3 instead. Roush dominated in trans am and imsa gto later with a stroked 2.3 to 2.5 liters turbo engine, with a peak output in qualif of 1300 hp.

[@uchoward1ify]

It was basically a rebodied Zakspeed Mk3 Capri.

[@andredeketeleastutecomplex]

Exactly.

[@benjaminbrown7331]

Yeah I was wondering if this was the capri of the American series of these group 5 cars

[@NitroModelsAndComics]

Built more than a few Monogram Mustangs back in the day I have a few unbuilt ones that I will get to eventually

[@scottsvt9104]

I’d like to build one of those one day. Always looked like a really cool model. I’ve seen completed versions on model building forums that look amazing but I also know it takes a lot of skill to build them with such detail. Not sure if I’ve got the skills to build them to that level though.

[@NitroModelsAndComics]

@@scottsvt9104 it does take a fair bit I will admit it. But it is rewarding when you are finished and it's all shiny on the shelf.

[@johnshaft5613]

Another great video! Do you by any chance know what engine block and cylinder head was used as the basis of these motors? The head looks aftermarket, like Cosworth or something, but I really have no idea.

[@scottsvt9104]

There is a short video that I watched recently where a guy did some research and realized the engine was using a custom Zakspeed F1 style hybrid head and block. It’s a video about the GTP Mustang Engine. Really surprising and shows how the last Group 5 Zakspeed race cars were able to push 900 horsepower at max boost.

[@johnshaft5613]

@@scottsvt9104 I'm surprised a purpose built racing motor was allowed under the rules. Maybe that's why the displacement was so small, while the turbo Porsches were running something like three liters...? Racing motors are allowed if they give up some displacement? I remember seeing the Mustang GTP cars at Laguna Seca, I think in '84. They really sort of crossed the line for me from prior GTX cars that looked like any skilled fabricator with a well equipped shop could build them. The GTP Mustangs looked more like products of the aerospace industry. I mean, the hardware used, exotic materials, etc. Way beyond what I was used to seeing in IMSA.

[@scottsvt9104]

@@johnshaft5613 I agree about the GTP cars. To me I think they should have stuck with production based GTX type cars. Since those are cars that we typically see on the roads in stock form. It’s interesting to see them battle on the track in modified form. The GTP cars were more like ultra exotic cars far out of reach for the common man. Of course those F1 style engines were way more expensive than the original BDA turbo engines too.

[@johnshaft5613]

@@scottsvt9104 Absolutely. IMSA GTU/GTO/GTX was the peak of US racing IMHO, just as Group 4/5 was the peak of international racing. Hi tech/speed doesn't make a better sporting event, and the cars are something no one but an engineer can really understand. Modern DTM and F1 cars might as well be space craft. I've compared lap times going quite a few years back. A competent driver in a modern bone stock Z06 Corvette can lap most road courses in about the same time as a Porsche 935....and do it on street tires. I have no desire to own a Z06 'Vette, but might trade a limb for a 935....or a Zakspeed Capri/Mustang.

[@scottsvt9104]

@@johnshaft5613 Agreed! Those old race cars have soul! Flame shooting turbos!

[@tennesseehewitt8737]

Just a reshell carpi

[@tennesseehewitt8737]

Oh yes... you for got zakspeed escort..which is the best

[@scottsvt9104]

Well yes, the Factory Mustang body shell to the a and c pillars are dropped down on top of the Zakspeed Capri space frame. It even uses factory Mustang doors and hatch. But anyone with some car knowledge knows it’s all Capri running gear. Maybe I’ll do a video on the Zakspeed Escort. Group 5 is the coolest race series.

[@jblack5323]

Well yeah but the Capri wasn’t a Capri underneath. It was a space framed monster that was a long way away from the trash roadcar chassis.

[@jblack5323]

@@scottsvt9104 hi Scott. Great video! Can you point me in the right direction of that R@T road test? Do you know what issue it was?

[@scottsvt9104]

@@jblack5323 The issue for that magazine was January 1977. You can find the full article scanned online on different websites.

[@edwardchance2543]

Thanks for sharing subscribed

[@Kinuhbud]

0:37 'oh look! wat a neat little sports cah.'

[@edwardchance2543]

As a kid I built a model of that car and always wanted to customize my mustang to that look

[@scottsvt9104]

I always thought the Zakspeed Mustang looked wild! It’s such an interesting piece of history and of course the Capri Zakspeed that it’s based on too.

[@fromalandfarfaraway4192]

There is a KZbin Channel building a modern replica of the Zakspeed Capri.

[@scottsvt9104]

I’ll have to check it out!

[@j.santiago7022]

I’m surprised Jack Roush doesn’t have one in his collection.

[@scottsvt9104]

I talked to one of the Roush Museum collection managers and he said that he thinks they had one years ago but they had sold it. You would think that Roush would have one seeing that they have both the prototype GTP and Probe race cars in their museum.

[@kennedysingh3916]

Watched from Jamaica and I remember them. I first reed about the Capri in Motor Magazine in a story call 'Zakspeed King' and how Porsche wanted the Zakspeed Capri band on the grounds that they did not look like a Capri🤣. It only took common sence to figure out that the roots of the Zakspeed Mustang.

[@scottsvt9104]

Porsche forgot to look in the Mirror. The 935 looks nothing like a 930. Especially since Porsche were running the Moby Dick K4 before Ford built the Zakspeed Capri. I figured it was only fair.

[@kennedysingh3916]

@@scottsvt9104 😂, I may still have the magazine some wear but it was back in the early 1980's, I don't thow them away, sadly I can't aford a car these days.

[@scottsvt9104]

@@kennedysingh3916 I try to keep my old magazines as well. They might have some information you can’t ever find again anywhere else! At least you got to see these cars run back in the day.

[@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo]

​@@scottsvt9104 so first off I really wanted to like your video as a fan of Zak speed and all thing vintage race cars. But there was a lot of facts twisting I normally see today's political media from all sides. First off the k3s and k4s were not campaigned by Porsche that was a full Kremmer endeavor designed and engineered by them. Matter of fact Porsche didn't really like Kremmer as they beat them on their own game. The K3 was better then the factory 935/76 and 935/78.... Porsche would stopp development on the 935 in 1977/1978 ish to focus on the 936 and begin development on the 956. Leaving Joest and Kremmer to continue on expanding the 935. 2. Your giving ford too much credit while taking away credit from zakspeed for the group 5 DRM Capris. That was a Zakspeed endeavor 100 percent. That was their engineering their campaign. Just like Kremmer and their K3. And I believe everyone got a taste of DRM championship post 935 Introduction, lancia, BMW, Zakspeed, Porsche, Kremmer. You forgot to mention too that a mid engine small four cylinder is a better drivetrain packaging then a heavier wider rear flat six which was a huge advantage For the Capri. Btw zakspeed did do way more chassis underpinning modifications then the 911s. Lancia did as well with the Monte Carlo. but the factory 935s and the K3 were still more car then the zakspeed capris. Again, to be fair. 3. How was the Ford GTP dominating Porsche when it won 1 race in 14/15 races? The GTP class was actually created by IMSA to kill the 935k3. In 82 or 81,The K3 won every single race in the season and IMSA officially stated" end the German show on American soil" as that would kill it's audience. The GTP class adopted the group C rules to allow American teams to creat prototypes to beat the K3(odd as the K3 was A GT car) which the March 83 would be successful. Interestingly the March 83g had Porsche commissioned for engineering help. But the K3s and some 935/78s were still successful for the next couple of years but they would not be champions ever again. The Ford GTP set pole a few times, won Laguna seca? But they had so many DNFs that, that car was never a concern....... IMSA would try to block Porsches 956 by making it illegal, leaving Porsche to create the handicapped 962 but that would still dominate for a few years.

[@Hemlock54]

Have this plus 2 other liveries as 1/32 scale slot cars.

[@Christopher94582]

I was with Ford in that era. You may want to make some corrections . The project was originally a partnership of Ford Aerospace and Zackspeed,originating with the Miller Mustang publicly introduced at Sears Point for the Camel GT series. The car sported 20 inch rubber in the front, and 24 inch rubber in the rear when 16 inch rubber was considered exotic. (Yes, I was there) the horsepower numbers as I recall were 790 for the 1.8L in the Miller Mustang, and the later 2.1L was 940 horsepower on the white and blue team cars.

[@scottsvt9104]

Thanks for the information! I’m in the process of making a new Zakspeed video with better sound quality and information. I’m looking to go a bit more in depth with the Zakspeed cars. 940 horsepower is truly impressive for a 4 cylinder. Especially for the early 1980’s.

[@johnmcmullen456]

If only the racing 4 cylinder turbo era of the 80's didn't fall out of favor for the next several decades. Imagine where we might have been today when 700+HP could be squeezed out of an under 2.0 4 cylinder over 40 years ago.

[@TOTA_777]

Say la-mah’. Lol The IMSA Mustang GTP was top of the food chain. Special Vehicle Operations was incredible.

[@scottsvt9104]

Agreed!

[@TOTA_777]

@@scottsvt9104 You know, before Don Peterson brought Mike Kranefuss in, Ford’s once great motorsports program was almost non-existent. SVO was, of course, Ford’s international racing division proper. SVO brought Ford into being the only auto manufacturer in the world to be involved in F1, CART (IndyCar), NASCAR, IMSA, WRC, and NHRA. And people think SVO was a trim level of a Mustang or a precursor to SVT. SO much misinformation about SVO. I may, at some point, create a video about that and tell their story. But I appreciate your piece. Definitely a step in the right direction. Porsche, Daimler-Benz, BMW, Ferrari, Audi, et al…great racing programs. But we’ve done extremely well domestically as well. American exceptionalism is under fire today as never before. ACCURATE history matters and that includes Ford’s great legacy in motorsports. And, it’s just a lot of fun.

[@scottsvt9104]

@@TOTA_777 It is surprising how little information or videos there is on Fords endeavors in the early 1980’s. Usually the only thing you hear about when discussing Ford is the time Ford beat Ferrari at Le Mans. Then you don’t usually hear anything else about Fords racing history.

[@stephenfloat1260]

It actually started life as a zakspeed Capri in the German DTM RACIING series then ford or zakspeed took all the panels off the tubular frame and replaced them with mustang ones then raced it in the USA

[@ENZEEVIDS]

0:12 loafers lol

[@samlee4571]

Cool video, what is the song at 11:00? love it!

[@scottsvt9104]

It’s a song that I put together on my soundboard player. Glad you like it!

[@jamesgeorge4874]

Fox Mustang shaped cabin / door / hood / roofline, and a-pillar. Every other facet is pure tube chassis race car.

[@scottsvt9104]

It’s not just shaped that way, that’s factory cabin / roofline/ hatch and a-pillar plus doors. But you are correct, everything else is quite literally a tube chassis. But it’s fair for 1981 when the K3 Porsches had evolved to pure tube chassis K4’s.

[@xtnuser5338]

Once you're fabricating a completely custom tube frame chassis and building a completely custom engine...does it really matter what brand's engine block you started with, or what brand's body panels you kinda sorta emulated? I will humbly suggest it does not. It's really down to who designed, built, developed, setup, and drove the faster race car, regardless of whether they slapped a Ford or Porsche sticker on it at the end.

[@scottsvt9104]

I must respectfully disagree, because you could say the same about Fords GT40 program when they went against Ferrari. You could say that about any car. Also the body shell on the Mustang and Capri is still using factory sheet metal even if it’s just the roof, hatch, a and c pillars plus doors and the engine is a Ford development project. Ford paid for the Zakspeed team and drivers. Porsche paid for their Porsche 935 teams and were heavily involved in the private teams that weren’t directly funded by the factory. Subsequently GM develops LS series engine swap kits and accessories for private customers. So a man putting a Chevy in a Ford will immediately be outed as playing for the other team no matter how nonsensical it may seem to think that way. Team/Brand rivalry is an inborn natural human trait that goes back thousands of years. It’s something humans cannot separate from. It’s also why sports in general are the most popular form of entertainment.

[@andredeketeleastutecomplex]

Stock body shell, no. Silhouette, yes. G5 was a silhouette class, no stock parts anywhere. Like Group B but crazier 😁

[@scottsvt9104]

I’ve studied these cars extensively. They are called Tin top racers. The reason for this is that the roof, A, B, and C pillars to include the rocker panels at the feet are indeed stock. That is the basic body shell that is welded to the custom space frame. Everything else is Silhouette and Kevlar/carbon fiber. The Mustang still uses the stock chrome door handles, tail lights+headlights/grill. So it does indeed use stock parts as per the rules.

[@kfilarski]

Gotta fix the sound levels on the video

[@scottsvt9104]

Agreed! I’m going to try to equalize my voice and the music for the next video. Then hopefully get this one fixed too.

[@lilredii]

Hi where did you find the footage of the Zakspeed Mustang on the track?

[@scottsvt9104]

The red Miller Mustang footage is from an old Ford commercial and the blue Zakspeed Mustang footage was from an old Documentary about Bruce Jenner racing his Mustang. It wasn’t about the Zakspeed Mustang but they were racing at the same time so managed to get in on the film too. There isn’t much footage of the Zakspeed Mustang left in existence.

[@lilredii]

@Scott SVT do you have this commercial so you can share it with me? I was looking for it but could not find it. The Miller is recently restored and standing by 3dog garage.

[@scottsvt9104]

@@lilredii here’s a link to the video on KZbin. It’s really short and has cheesy music for the time but really the only footage of the Miller car I think: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHqQn2d_Zt6Wbrs

[@RacerX888]

check 19bozzy92 channel on YT for Zakspeed mustang videos

[@craiglizt8074]

3:54 holy crap! Is that a real picture of a 935 pulling a wheelie?

[@scottsvt9104]

Sometimes they squat and lift the tires. I’m not sure if this one is coming over a hill and catching air or just lifting on its own. Either way it looks cool. I don’t see a hill though.

[@craiglizt8074]

@@scottsvt9104 I read somewhere many years ago that the Corvette Grand Sport racecars could pull a small wheelie. I can't find it nowadays. Might have been in a book. Anyway, that picture is beyond cool. I'm a HUGE Porsche fan and adore the 935, Group 5, and all the cars from the "silhouette" era. Keep up the great content! Learned a ton about this Mustang/Capri!!

[@scottsvt9104]

@@craiglizt8074 the silhouette race cars were peak race car for me. I’m glad you enjoyed the videos. I do mostly Fords but every time I get a chance to show 935’s I do it since they are a favorite of mine as well.

[@craiglizt8074]

@@scottsvt9104 I found that quote regarding the Grand Sport pulling wheelies. It was Roger Penske himself in the book called “Corvette Grand Sport 1962-1967.” He says, “It was so light in the front end that when really you stood on the gas, the front end would come off the ground like a dragster.” Another racer named Delmo Johnson said similar things. How cool and scary is that! I’d imagine a 935 could do the same!

[@scottsvt9104]

@@craiglizt8074 I agree! Those old corvettes were no slouches themselves! Great find!

[@Stratahoovius]

A twin turbo 4 cylinder in that Capri? What was the reasoning behind that?

[@scottsvt9104]

My best guess is to reduce turbo lag which early turbo cars were known for. However there is probably more to it than that.

[@Stratahoovius]

@@scottsvt9104 Wonder why no one in F1 tried it back in the 80s.

[@scottsvt9104]

@@Stratahoovius The formula 1 cars I think had bigger displacement than the Zakspeed car so they might not have needed the extra boost. Of course it could have been against the rules to run a twin charged set up. It’s hard to be certain but I’m sure someone knows the answer!

[@johnjones928]

@@scottsvt9104 The 80's turbo F1 car were limited to 1.5 l, .2 smaller than this cars engine. Zakspeed competed in F1 with a purpose build inline 4 but like BMW and Hart only used one large turbo rather than two medium sized units like the V6's. The TAG-Porsche engine actually did use two different sized turbochargers, the problem back then was no one was making custom sized turbos, you took what was available.

[@scottsvt9104]

@@johnjones928 Thanks for the info! I knew someone had to know! The 80’s had some wild turbo cars.

[@mysteriouscat7183]

これぞ ザ.マシーン

[@indycollie6424]

Guy in Wenatchee Washington has a replica of this

[@scottsvt9104]

Wow, does he track it and is there any place online that he’s posted pictures?

[@indycollie6424]

@@scottsvt9104 it was an old mechanic that was dating a server that worked a the Dennys with me. He takes it to classy chassis every year for apple blossom. Painted silver.

[@scottsvt9104]

@@indycollie6424 That’s interesting! I’ve never seen a replica of this car. Would be a cool car to see. You never know what’s out there sitting in peoples garages.

[@legibby]

Alejandro Jodorowski, Kremer Porsches, and group 5 race cars. You’re a cool MF in my book!

[@ImInLoveWithBulla]

The 0-60 and trap speed of the 935 do not correlate with an 8.9 quarter mile. 133 is about what a Ferrari Enzo ran in the quarter, with a time of 11.0.

[@scottsvt9104]

The Enzo weigh’s around 3200 pounds depending on options and the 935 only weighs 2100 pounds. That’s a 1000 pound weight difference. Not only that but the 935 has several hundred more horsepower than the Enzo at full boost and still dyno’s more than the Enzo at low boost. The 935 most likely coasted toward end of the quarter mile. Weight is the most crucial part of that quarter mile time. Power to weight of the 935 says it’s an 8-9 second quarter mile car all day long. I wouldn’t want to show up with an Enzo unless I wanted to lose badly.

[@mtbsyd]

This video was very interesting but. Damm. Adjust the sound levels

[@scottsvt9104]

I’m going to redo this video and adjust the Microphone input on the PC which is most likely killing the voiceover. At least now I’ve got enough feedback on the video to correct most of the mistakes on it.

[@vaxiit]

At 4:27 What race is that?

[@scottsvt9104]

I think it’s 1981 Watkins Glen. The race where the Lancia’s won.

[@emrhomeworks9979]

Lol, absolutely nothing of those cars were fox body mustang, they were essentially re-bodied Zakspeed DTM Capris.

[@scottsvt9104]

Wrong, using that thought DTM Capri’s weren’t Capri’s either. They both used factory body shells either Capri or Mustang welded on top of the exact same custom space frame commissioned by Ford, built by Zakspeed. The doors, center body, hatch, front grill and rear valence plus stock headlights and taillights were specific to either the Capri or Mustang. Those were the rules and those parts must remain stock, everything else was fair game. So you can’t say nothing was Fox Mustang on that car, when literally only the body was the part that was a Mustang. Same goes for the Capri. But I discussed this in the video.

[@andredeketeleastutecomplex]

​@@scottsvt9104silhoutte bodies aren't factory shells but basically prototype shells with only a few recognizable parts like roof panel and headlights, not much more. Educate yourself.

[@scottsvt9104]

@@andredeketeleastutecomplex The Roof, A,B, and C pillar to include the rocker panels make up the basic body shell of the Capri and Mustang. Those are indeed stock on Group 5 cars. Everything else is pure race car. You may need to look a bit closer at how they build these cars. My next video will show the naked stock Capri and Porsche K4 shell welded to the space frame without the Kevlar/carbon attached.

[@salvatoreperagine1707]

You should give credit to Racer Sideways for using images of their 1/32 scale slot cars .

[@scottsvt9104]

I gave Racer Sideways a mention in the description. Their slot cars are amazing which is why I filmed mine since they were so detailed.

[@salvatoreperagine1707]

@@scottsvt9104 yes - I have several of the Racer Sideways cars - they are very beautifully done .

[@holzbrian7049]

Am I missing something? Is the ford capri in any way similar to a foxbody? In raceform the chassis inarguably is not. Seems like clickbait . I did enjoy the old footage tho so thanks I guess

[@scottsvt9104]

Nope, the production Fox body is welded on top of the Zakspeed space frame chassis. So stop acting like it’s not got a Fox “body” sitting directly on top of it. Many race cars are developed this way. Both the Capri and Fox had their unibody’s floor cut out with an aerodynamic floor pan welded underneath. Neither the Zakspeed Capri or the Mustang uses the stock unibody chassis which is essentially the entire floor pan. They are pure race cars, but are also door slammers since the factory body must still be used. This isn’t exactly NASCAR where every panel is 100% FAKE. But I get what you are saying but you can’t say the Zakspeed Capri’s chassis is in any way related to a stock Capri. People keep pretending it is, but it’s not, it’s a custom space frame.

[@lodan420]

Umm, did you even consider JBA’s DOMINATOR mustang?

[@scottsvt9104]

I did but the Zakspeed Mustang is leagues above the Dominator in performance. The Dominator is more of an overall street+road course car. The Dominator was and is one of the best Fox bodies. However the Zakspeed is almost 1000 pounds lighter and makes 200 to 300 more horsepower than the Dominator. It’s not a fair comparison.

[@lodan420]

@Scott SVT the dominator holds a special place in my heart... I worked for JBA Headers way before pertronix was involved. Mr. Bittle was a nice guy. I built headers there. Was a fun job for a you 20 something kid.

[@scottsvt9104]

@@lodan420 Wow, I bought a set of stainless steel JBA headers years ago for my first Mustang. There’s so much history behind that car and company. I may have to do a documentary on the JBA Mustang. I might also have to plan a trip to get some good footage of it if they allow me to film the car if it’s still owned by LMR.

[@tyducre4208]

Hold what you got 🤣

[@scottsvt9104]

You know I had to!

[@rj.voodoo]

Holllld whatcha got 😂

[@seekerofthetruths]

Sounds levels need some balancing my man. Great info though.

[@scottsvt9104]

I’m going to fix my audio for my next video so hopefully it’s not so bad next time.

[@brianhartvichnielsen3539]

It was a comercial stunt, to sell more Mustangs. It was infact a rebodyed Zakspeed Ford Capri Turbo. Sorry to hurt your American feelings.

[@scottsvt9104]

@@brianhartvichnielsen3539 Watch the other video, it’s the full story. I’ve seen the restoration of that Zakspeed Mustang. The body is a real Mustang body but it is indeed bolted to the Capri space frame like you said. The Mustang is a little bit wider and longer. It’s all Capri underneath.

[@Xkxltxc]

Its so hot

[@horse5407]

Not really a mustang anymore is it?

[@scottsvt9104]

Only the body, the doors, hatch, and front/rear lights, grill and valance are Mustang. Everything else is custom space frame same as the Capri. So it’s still more Mustang than todays NASCAR which is entirely fake including the body.

[@Mephistopholies]

Looks Australian...

[@agskytter8977]

"Same" Zakspeed engine in Martin Schanche's Ford Escort beating 700hp 4wd 911 Porsches and Group B Quattros in Lydden Hill rallycross final commented by legendary Murray Walker of BBC F1 fame: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4aQq6CjfNGLfZI Crazy racing!

[@scottsvt9104]

That race was hilarious! That Audi didn’t stand a chance! That’s probably one of the top races I’ve ever watched. Thanks for posting that link!

[@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo]

Wasn't the Porsche 930 back to back champion though?

[@scottsvt9104]

@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo Yes, almost. They were pretty much world champions up to 1980. The Porsche 935 which was a heavily modded 930 was pretty much king of the race track.

[@hfsartanddesign2031]

What a poor clip about the famous Zakspeed Mustang. No coherence. No explanation about the Lancia, shown in the video, that competed against the Mustang in the Norisring DRM race in Germany. No history mentioning. You can do a better job Scott. Please try again.

[@scottsvt9104]

I’ll have to make another video focused on DRM and include the Lancia’s history. Information for the American Zakspeed Mustang was very limited so I decided to stick with the Porsche 935 as the main protagonist since they were the top race car of that era in America. Of course the Lancia took wins against the Porsche and Zakspeed as well. The Lancia Beta Montecarlo was a great race car by itself.

[@BBBB-gv5kg]

sPEAK UP BRO, DAMN!! volume to 100% and can't hear shit you say!!

[@scottsvt9104]

I’ve been fighting the audio for awhile with KZbin uploads. It’s perfect on the PC before I upload but after I upload it sounds either too quiet or too vocally Fried/fuzzy if I turn the settings up. You have to turn the volume all the way up on the TV. It sucks and I’m probably going to re-do and re-upload this video with better audio or make a new video altogether.

[@BBBB-gv5kg]

@@scottsvt9104 Maybe, but your voice lacks energy, so take some practice.

[@marklangren3142]

I don't remember them be Porsche killers. When i saw then they were Found On Racetrack Dead

[@scottsvt9104]

Well the Mustang beat the Porsche anyways. We already viewed that K3 get man handled by a Ford in the video. Either way the Porsche was more reliable all day long, and was capable of producing more power. The small 4 cylinder Ford was definitely explosive.

[@isbcornbinder]

I can't watch this video. The talking head uses the word actually. This is a bad habit. It reduces credibility instantly.