The Fraud who "Discovered" and nearly Destroyed Troy (Ancient History tea)

[@christopherjustice6411]

Agamemnon: *Fails to destroy all of Troy* Heinrich: Fine, I’ll do it myself.

[@jasoncuculo7035]

LMAO

[@bernicia-sc2iw]

I've been to Troy myself . He did almost wreck the site , and walking the ruins today , one can only imagine what it would have been like without his excavations . The greatest discoveries on the site occurred after Schliemann died , but i still feel a grudging admiration for him , as he did resurrect the possibility of Troy being a real place and the Iliad having a historical core .

[@YusufGinnah]

Yes I agree, a double edged sword indeed...

[@adrasthe314]

As someone who came back from a two month dig and barely reaching the earliest soil, hearing Schliemann say "I think we should be able to dig through the whole thing in two months" is baffling... this man drives me nuts

[@MrNektarios1973]

Even the Troy treasure that is supposed to have been excavated by Schliemann is disputed by many archaeologists as to where it was found. It is very likely that these are collections of finds that come from different places, which Schliemann himself buried before presenting a great treasure that would give prestige and publicity to the archaeological discovery and would also qualify him as a great archaeologist.

[@grapeshot]

Yes a lot of people say just that he was a fraud. Back then archaeology seem to be more about treasure hunting and tomb raiding then actually trying to get research.

[@bthsr7113]

He was still plenty shifty, shady, and fraudulent in other areas. To say nothing of how he blasted through an archeologist's dream layer cake.

Not just archaeologists... Have you look into palaeontology? They'd literally blow excavations sites trying to get the big bones first, destroying most if anything worth finding or even looking at.

[@bthsr7113]

@ Yeah, I'm aware.

[@jasoncuculo7035]

@@bthsr7113 He associated with individuals that made and sold fake antiquities. At least his findings created interest in the Hisarlik dig that did eventually result in the exploration of the Troy VI and Troy VIIa archeological layers.

[@Heyu7her3]

The field wasn't really created until then, so

[@tomjanssen15]

Always fun learning about how other people can screw something up, makes me feel a little better about failing my tests 😅

[@hydrolito]

What were your final grades?

[@tomjanssen15]

@@hydrolito tbh I dont even remember, I just know it wasnt enough to get a high school degree :/

[@johnlastname8752]

"I absolutely bombed this test, but at least I didn't bomb Troy."

[@annabeinglazy5580]

Small Detail: based on the spelling, the correct pronounciation would be shleemann. Long e. Lovely Video on a man that needs to be Made fun of in History books more often. Especially the German ones. We are a Bit too good at pretending that it's Just the british and french who keep on destroying stuff by "discovering" it 😅

[@CinziaDuBois]

thanks for the correction! 😊

[@Decrepit_Productions]

I assumed it was an intentional mispronunciation, in keeping with the premise of the narrative: Schliemann=slime-man.

[@Herr_Damit]

More like shleemunn or something.

[@happytofu5]

its interesting, seeing that the the US-Americans speak ie as our german ei, but ei as our ie - thats why they always write "wiener" wrong I guess xD

[@mjris]

Great video! Apropos Ancient History/classics tea... Have you thought about making a video on Sappho's Brothers Poem and its controversies? We studied it recently in a Greek lyric seminar and I must say, the drama surrounding it is unreal hahaha. I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on it!

[@michaelake9814]

I hope you are doing splendidly! Thank you for telling this story. I always learn something from you, and I love your presentations. I'm grateful you take the time to do these.

[@cebenify]

Let's not even forget how much of the site Schliemann blew up with Dynamite

[@DogWalkerBill]

I am so sorry to hear this tale. I've been interested in archeology since I was very young/ I knew that Heinrich Schliemann digs at Troy had spoiled the site. But I assumed he was before scientific and analytic methods had not been developed yet. Not because he was a jerk.

[@janisrands8990]

And, you are my new favorite KZbin site.....love history and the way you present it. kudos!

[@holyfreak86]

It is said that Schliemann found a necklace on the ruins of Troy and gave it to his wife. Romantic? Yes, but not very caring in archeology standards😅

[@leonardhaggstrom8541]

It's a microcosm of Imperialism. I refer you to the age old case of finders & keepers versus the losers & weepers

[@andy2950]

Excellent retelling of a famous incident. Delivered with your usual enthusiasm and flair 👍 Small slip at 13:40 . You said 1972 instead of 1872. It was wonderful to see you looking and sounding in good health ❤️✌️

[@CinziaDuBois]

thanks for the correction Andy. I filmed this video a while ago I’m afraid though so can’t really take any credit for good health. 😅

[@andy2950]

@@CinziaDuBois 😳✌️😘

[@norata7400]

I like your pronunciation of Schliemann, if incorrect, far more, because it sounds like Schleimmann, meaning a slimmy man or a sycophant. Befitting a man such as this.

[@Kevin_the_Caveman]

So basically Schliemann is just old timey Elon Musk... Some things never change

[@thomasbell7033]

That's the best description of Schliemann I've ever read.

[@leonardhaggstrom8541]

Schliemann's intent was to solidify his social status and hopefully monetize later. With Musk, that's flipped. He owes his social position to what he has been able to monetize.

[@saraphinacisneros8452]

Well they do say that history has a tendency to repeat itself, especially when humans never learn from history!

[@jungtothehuimang]

Honestly this is just becoming more and more true

[@jaredjosephsongheng372]

I thought Elon Musk was the Harrison Ford of our generation

[@Uldihaa]

Well, we do have clubs/cafes and the like where people recite poetry, so a guy coming in to a place to recite Homer's Iliad is both interesting and cool; seriously, I'd love to be able to sit down and listen to someone recite that (except that really boring bit that's basically just a list of names).

[@mollympls]

this is a wonderful companion piece to kaz rowe's recent video, where they touch on this subject too. thank you for going deeper into the story!

[@CinziaDuBois]

Funny you say that; when I was researching keywords and tags for this video's metadata I came across their channel and video and I love them! I had never heard of them before, but I'm glad I found them.

[@Werevampiwolf]

I'm pretty sure I played *Minesweeper* as a kid with more archeological rigor than Schliemann

[@geromerebollido9375]

Schliemann's youtube been real quiet since this dropped

[@tangiepangie9721]

I love your voice. It’s so relaxing. You give me Ms. Grotkey from Recess vibes and I appreciate how you break down history. So digestible

[@lizaveta.demina]

So happy you posted this! This is exactly what I need to know for my classics GCSE :))

[@CinziaDuBois]

Glad it was helpful!

[@skyefirenails]

Wasn't there a photograph of Schliemann's wife in some of the treasure they supposedly found at Troy? Also he made her absolutely miserable. She hated the excavation, and desperately wanted to leave, if I remember correctly. He was really a piece of work.

[@monicaferreiradacosta1535]

Excellent content. I will recommend this video as an illustration to my lecture on "publish or perish" next semester, together with the conflict between Galileo Galilei and Thomas Harriot ; )

[@fanaRANDOMZEICHEN]

There is a special exhibition in his honor in berlin because it's the 200. anniversary of his birthday. Great to get to know some details about his character and the background as he is still held in high regards in germany and portrait as the father of archeology.

[@holyfreak86]

I would call a cat "Agamemnon". I have one called "Achilles and a dog is called Argos🐶

[@katiehowell2537]

I would not recommend that unless you want your cats to hate each other 😂

[@FornaxTheHerald]

Brilliant and fascinating. - Many thanks

[@CinziaDuBois]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@stay_gold6316]

i think you have my favorite speaking voice of all time ♡

[@winterburden]

Thank you for sharing with us, how fascinating! 🙆‍♀️

[@WarshMeh]

Excellent video. Very impressive, Schliemann is a great example of what to do and not to do at one of the most interesting sites. Its a reminder to looters and new archeologists to be careful and be competent.

[@juanjoseescanellas3798]

I enjoyed this (work/story/lecture) very much.

[@ajmeyers5661]

When Hollywood gets hold of this story Schliemann (played by Matt Damon) will be cast as the everyman who was shunned by the "ivory tower". Calvert (played by Christian Bale) will be the moustache-twirling villian who tries to stop the brilliant Schliemann revealing Troy to the world. At some point he'll destroy the excavation. Later he'll try to steal/sell off their finds. Towards the end he will try to take credit for the discovery after Schliemann's death--Schliemann's son or daughter will then pop up with proof that Calvert is a fraud. I think this treatment would perfectly reflect the attitude of the anti-science, anti-establishment, anti-fact/"dew ur resurch!" times we're all living through 😊

[@keyboardcowgirl69]

love your vids! thanks for making it

[@rsacchi100]

Thank you for setting the record straight. Glad to learn the artifacts that were in the Berlin museum are safely in a Moscow museum. A '70s era documentary claimed they were lost.

[@robyngrieve9665]

The red army 'acquired' the artefacts in 1945 but didn't confirm this until the mid 1990s.

[@karlkarlos3545]

@@robyngrieve9665 Yes, and they are just doing the same in Ukraine.

[@leonardhaggstrom8541]

@@robyngrieve9665 Oh, those Russians !!

[@AncientAmericas]

Herr Schliemann... wir treffen uns wieder.

[@NatalieAuroraS]

I loved listening to this this story. Thank you very much for sharing it.

[@CinziaDuBois]

Offset your carbon footprint on Wren: www.wren.co/start/ladyofthelibrary The first 100 people who sign up will have 10 extra trees planted in their name! DISCLAIMER This video was produced by a random student on the internet who loves reading, especially about ancient history and classics. The purpose of my videos is to make classics and ancient history interesting and accessible to everyone. It is important to highlight that I am not a professional or qualified educator, “expert”, historian or classicist. However, I ensure that all the information I use in my video scripts has been collated from numerous credible sources, which I will link in the description box if accessible online. I always work my hardest to deliver thoroughly researched and reliable information in my videos, but please always conduct additional, independent research to formulate a thorough understanding of any topic discussed. Additionally, I am dyslexic, and I will mispronounce words throughout this video, sometimes without realising it. This is not ill-intended or stemming from willful ignorance, and I do make the effort to research how to pronounce words before I start filming, but I often misread my phonetic spelling. In light of this, please do not rely on my video for an authoritative or reliable source of how to pronounce certain words.

[@ducthman4737]

I will happily drive my car even more miles so these trees have all the extra CO2 for a long and green life. Remember that just 14 000 years ago all of Scotland would have been under a mile deep ice sheet. No trees.

[@groovinhooves]

The first syllable of Schliemann rhymes with tree which is an interesting coincidence...

[@CAP198462]

I’ll grant you that Schliemann went to Hisarlik with a goal in mind of finding Troy. He didn’t call in John Gator to do geophys first. His trenches also would’ve made Phil Harding rage quit, or maybe cry. However, it wasn’t unusual for the time. There’s a list of archaeologists from his day who worked in a similar way: Basil Brown, Howard Carter, and John Pull. Olaf Öhman was a fraudster, Schliemann is evidence of archaeology’s painful past.

[@thomasbell7033]

Ah, the TT reference. Covid has spread Time Team around the world as fast as the bug itself. I happen to be in Brooklyn.

[@skyefirenails]

Basil Brown was actually a decent archaeologist. He is very much misremembered.

[@leonardhaggstrom8541]

An archaeologist is an aristocrat grave robber

[@thebigd9989]

Nothing like some fiction to start my day 😌 wonderful video once again, ty♡

[@teacherdude]

Engastromenos - literally means "knocked up" in Modern Greek.

[@ViktorEngelmann]

I love how the way you pronounce the name, "Schleim-Mann", would literally mean "Slime-Man" in german 😀

[@starcapture3040]

Yeah these type of treasure hunters, you gotta make video about Giuseppe Ferlini or Giovanni Belzoni

[@colinthompson3111]

This was a great video to watch. Perhaps you should try to write a script for it. Looking forward to more videos like this one.

[@CinziaDuBois]

Thanks but I don't understand what you mean by writing a script for it? This video is scripted

[@colinthompson3111]

@@CinziaDuBois Apologies. I meant a script for a program on the History Channel or BBC tv movie.

[@CinziaDuBois]

Ohhh! No haha, thank you, but I'm not suitable for official platforms haha. Numerous professional television/audiobook producers have told me my face/voice aren't suitable for traditional media.

[@MaryanaMaskar]

@@CinziaDuBois that's a bit harsh! I enjoy both of those!

[@happytofu5]

Its so fascinating and terrifying at the same time to see the german wikipedia article about Schliemann completely uncritical of him. While the english one contains the criticisms and connections to the Nazis, the german article lists his appraisals and (alleged?) archeology inventions instead. Its like reading two completely different stories.

[@kwest1401]

45 ft deep… with no records, methodology, measurements… What a nightmare to have so many artifacts out of situ 😭

[@beethimbles8801]

I love your story telling, but my geography is so rubbish I feel like I need a map !

[@matthewthelionheart]

In college, I tried to start a metal band named Agamemnon. Didn’t work out.

[@lavern007]

I have to ask, would all of these discoveries have been possible if not for the money Schliemann spent on the project no matter how he butchered things? Also, in German, the second vowel is sounded so it is Schleeman.

[@leonardhaggstrom8541]

If you can give the elites a secret - you'd be let in their fruity little clubs. it would be used as 'proof of power' over initiates to their support cults. Secret Societies were the early 20th century version of Intelligence Agency.

[@cykratzer3463]

This has got to be a screenplay

[@maggie8324]

sweetie, you are awesome. keep the synopses coming.

[@kylelouisrussell]

Keep up your good work :-)

[@halo.hunter5079]

Lovin' the outfit here 😊 more of this please 😊

[@janicegagnon2294]

What a fascinating story!

[@willburbur3793]

I learned about this incident in a book called psychedelic apes. But it was a much shorter story. I immediately started searching Because I had to know the fate of Frank Calvert. Thanks for the great video and all the great detail. I’m glad to hear it wasn’t a tragic ending.😂

[@michaelgrabner8977]

Actually the name Schliemann is pronouced like "Shleeman/Shleemun" ..the German letter combination "ie" (called in German "the long i" pronounced longer than just a solely written "i" which is pronounced like the English "i" in "is" or "in" or "mirror") is like the english "ee" like "flee" or "knee" or "glee"..the German "a" is like the british RP English "a" in "fast" or "task" or "mask" or like the English "u" in "hunt" or "blunt" or "trust" Would his name be "Schleimann" with letter combination "ei" which is pronounced like the English "i" in "isle" or "Ireland" instead of "ie" then your pronunciation would have been basically correct.

[@1984isnotamanual]

I love this hehe. Just another example of the human "fuck up". I love humanity hehe.

[@ChristopherWind]

I doubt you really harbor true love for humanity. I predict rather that you'll sing praise and admiration of loving allegiance when the going is good, but at first sign of ill tidings or unpleasantness, be quick to cast shameful admonishment, all the while distancing yourself from us. I find it most curious when people refer to us as if they are speaking from the perspective of being another/part of an outside group. We the people of this land are a masterpiece of art, worthy of love, admiration and awe. For we are the greatest story ever told. Our story has both the greatest villains as well as heroes. Most glorious triumphs and sorrowful tragedies. I find it hardly fair to cast words of shaming disgust, nor patronizing sarcasm to a masterful literary non-fiction work for there being a page or chapter, which possess events that turn heart to lead with sorrow from the horrors written there within, without first considering the sum of its pages. Just as I find it unfair for people to do so in regards to magnificent fiction of man. Which I find to be common place. Hopefully this is just modern hubris and not a natural condition of behavior, and we as the actors and characters of this divine play discover to learn to love and be grateful for our part we play in it. And to spare the time of persons greater in intelligence and learning than I. Consider what I wrote, not how. I concede that my command of writing and use of grammar is lacking. And using that against me to discredit, is like a finger pointing to the moon. The finger may be ungroomed and unsightly, but don't focus on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory. Correcting my writing at this junction will produce no fruit. I merely read a comment which had spawne by some feeling of need to share, thus it spread its allergy and I caught the symptoms.

[@1984isnotamanual]

@@ChristopherWind I'm in love with humanity. I feel we have, do, and always will have a chance at greatness. Many times we succeed and I cry my eyes out. When we fail I cry too. Don't tell me what I feel and think.

[@ChristopherWind]

@@1984isnotamanual 1) I did not once tell you how to think or feel. If you read, I said I doubt you feel X way about something. Meaning "I" believe or feel in a particular way about your perceptions/feelings. 2.) I also made a prediction of how you would and do behave. Which mind you, by your admission just now confirmed that prediction, which was not necessary but I respect the honesty, perhaps there is character in your yet which we could bond on. 3) If I so will it, shall indeed tell you how to think and feel. You shall not forbid me the free will to exercise that will upon you should I deem it necessary and good.

[@jasonbond5213]

I think it's really funny how you pronounce the name Schliemann, as the German pronunciation isn't Schlaiman (which is my attempt at writing it the way you say it), but more like Schleeman, it's pronounced e, not i. However, Schlaimann sounds very much like Schleimmann, which is German for slimy man, which kind of makes this a lot more funny 😂 Ope, just saw others already pointed out both the mispronounciation and the funny meaning of it, so I'm late to the party

[@henriroggeman7267]

I know I'm a little late to the game but here goes nothing. A golden tip on pronunciation: English is by far the only language in which the letter "i" and to a lesser extent the letter "y" are pronounced as aye. So Schliemann should sound like Schleemann. You're welcome, should you get to read this, Cinzia.

[@Opa-Leo]

BTW There is no city named Troy. The region / plain is called Troad. The city is called Ilion, hence the Iliad.

[@CinziaDuBois]

I know. I literally discuss all of that in my videos.

[@joheeb]

You are a delight

[@kevinrwhooley9439]

This would make a great biopic.

[@geosustento8894]

Hi! I'm new to your channel and I just want to say that I love how you sound like one of those Victorian Era aristocrats in movies. Hahaha

[@gnova7]

tea

[@ClementineEcho]

What is the Greek equivalent of Otaku cause that is what I am hearing he was

[@orkleth]

Probably some combination of hellenikos and philos

[@jasoncuculo7035]

Arthur Evens was another one, who did not restore Minoan paintings he created them! lol

[@299meena]

14:04 why am I getting Donald Trumps vibes from this man?

[@1-eye-willy]

yas, you remind me of the julia childs character on the starwars Christmas special

[@solomontheadventurer6709]

I know he was a fraud and all but... going to work and your 'usual customer' is an old man who recites Homer kinda kick ass I cannot lie, I would not mind that.

[@fshbulb1]

The tea is scalding

[@billmcdonald4335]

We got a word for that goomer 'round these parts: a jeezler. Sleeveen could also apply.

[@demonicusa.k.a.theblindguy3929]

I learned about his less than ethical treasure hunting tactics but now hearing some of the correspondents here I also understand that he was a bit of an overt narcissist as well.

[@scottnunnemaker5209]

To be perfectly honest I don’t think the Trojan War was a real war, I think it was story that came out much later than it was supposed to have taken place to explain events of the Bronze Age collapse. I think while this city existed in this area, that there is no one real “City of Troy”, but several cities that were destroyed along the Anatolian coast, the Levantine coast, and the North African coast. It’s a story of a large group of soldiers with their kings being away from their homelands for 20+ years. 10ish years of fighting, and 10ish years of their various travels back home.

[@makinapacal]

Schliemann's account of the find of "Priam's Treasure" is a nice story but it almost certainly false. I am surprised you didn't go into how over the top and silly it is.

[@jasoncuculo7035]

Arthur Evans

[@JohnMiller-zr8pl]

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Not all millionaires are eh how to put it...Jeff Bezos, many invest in R&D and we the common people can benefit from that. This had more in-depth of the original founders than the video made by Trey the explainer.

[@billmiller4972]

That's completely unfair to him. At that time archeology was not even invented as a science. To say he made grave errors is only possible from hindsight. And yes, he used his riches to excavate Troy. So what? Better than wasting it on a big palace, lots of servants and gambling as many of the english or russian nobles did. BTW: Not "Shlyman" but "Shleemun"

[@yllejord]

People of his own time told him he was doing it wrong but he wouldn't listen. Without the hindsight.

[@eneyavorodecky]

Why does it feel like we have seen this behaviour in a contemporary billionaire. Hmmm... I just can't remember the name.

[@RedStretchLimo]

As much as I love this lady passion I have to disagree. Schlieman was a rogue genius with a vision and a rabid determination to see it through. As always he didn't always know what he was doing but he did open up archeology and make even more discoveries in Mycenae. You can't fault a man for following his dream.

[@sparrowsparrow7505]

Poor Troy, I hate it when that happens

[@b_g_c3281]

Agamemnon I think _might_ be fairly suitable for a boy's middle name, particularly if they're born and reared in America, _but_ upon proviso that they're well ensconced in the upper tiers of socioeconomic hierarchy... ?But as a first name?!? _...No_ That appellation could -- _and likely would_ -- be an invitation for bullying (( _especially_ ))throughout the child's formative years:.. arguably thus an insidious form of child abuse.

[@CinziaDuBois]

It's not the bullying part that I am against. It's the fact you'd name your son after a horrific tyrant who everyone hates throughout mythology. Why?!

[@b_g_c3281]

@@CinziaDuBois Hmmm... You make a fair point, re: Agamemnon's character exemplified by his actions... Ostensibly he was insufferable, if not loathsome ((as king and general; as a husband and father)) ...But _maybe_ [[ Schliemann ]] had the notion that perhaps his child could and would bring forth such a significant benefits to civilization and humanity, wherein as matter of consequence the name 'Agamemnon' could eventually become (at least) suggestive of the finer aspects of human character? It would be an ambitious ((certainly romantic; perhaps grandiose?)) fancy...which to me seems fitting with his character. 🤷🏻 But, be that as it may...in all honesty, my eyebrows raised when reading "I'm not against the bullying...." Bullying is cruel; and depending on circumstances, it can become (( and has too often has been )) a horrific experience for a child. And if it becomes _more than_ cruel, if it's horrific, it absolutely doesn't matter if that child is a boy, a girl, a transboy, a transgirl, or ((as remote in probability as it is)) a genuine hermaphrodite (( _to me the term 'intersex' is... _*_sterile_*_ and abjectly dehumanizing; 'hermaphrodite' was [ and is ] meant to be an honorific, 'but I digress'..._ ))...that child certainly doesn't deserve it. Maladaptive and antisocial personality traits can be (( often it seems, are ))engendered and reinforced through bullying, especially if it's persistent(( which is usually the case; bullying is rarely a one-time event ))... _...Children should be afforded the prospect that Being in this World -- that being _*_alive_*_ -- is Good... not something to feel ashamed of._

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

Schliemann's Trench.

[@mackthompson616]

7:56 not humanity’s fault in general. capitalism’s fault. blaming humanity as a whole is dangerous

[@theblackswan2373]

👍🏻👍🏻

[@ShubhamBhushanCC]

A rich man taking credit for the works of poor academics... Hmmm now that is something entirely new isn't it.

[@leonardhaggstrom8541]

It's a class issue. The British have a schitzophrenic history and Troy is part of the High history. Lying to the peasants is a noblesse oblige. Making prophecy happen (accidentally on purpose) is how you win inclusion. Library records help, but it 's not pure history. It is a "history of the history" of Troy.

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

You are mispronouncing both Schliemann and Calvert.

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

Calvert was not French.

[@bthsr7113]

Schliemaaaaaaaaaaann!

[@raphi154farel5]

S(ch)lime Ann? 😂 mmd

[@crow_poem6369]

It is pronounced SHLEE-man

[@leonardhaggstrom8541]

There is no such place called "Troy". Trojans lived in Ilium.

[@CinziaDuBois]

Yeah, I know I've done a whole video on it

[@leonardhaggstrom8541]

A mappamundi was the only legal way to make a map in Europe from Codex Justinianus (400) to Mercator (1600). An "ilium" is "the upper and widest of the trois - oops, I mean three bones making up the hipbone. That's significant to anyone using a Roman Groma at a time when ;the law said, "whosoever practices the damnable art of mathematical divination shall be put to the stake" (Codex Justinianus) Stones cry out truth.(Jesus) Bones keep secrets. Three bones = (a) heelstone (b) Troy and (c) New Troy. The original name of London was Caer Troia, or Novum Troia aka New Troy. So, it's called "Troy" because of its political position. It happens "accidentally on purpose". The official (high) history of Britain says Brutus founded London in 1183BC. He was the grandson of the last sitting king of "troy". There's a Troy Gate in London. Hope that helps :)

[@dgetzin]

Des Troy

[@Kuudere-Kun]

it's not the correct site anyway

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

There's nothing wrong with millionaires, especially self-made ones-- without them, most of us would not have jobs, and academics would not have grants and scholarships. The problem is acting and speaking beyond one's expertise, and therefore destroying antiquities. Also, unfortunately Turkey to this day has little incentive to support this exploration, but that's entirely a different subject.

[@shiningamaterasu2579]

Your very right, there's nothing wrong WITH the self made... but generational millionaires.... thats a different story

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

@@shiningamaterasu2579 well I would say it depends on the person. I can't condmn an entire group of people.

[@dreamingmusic3299]

@@shiningamaterasu2579 - Yes, how DARE people pass down their wealth to their children. Don't they know that their property doesn't belong to them, and that they have no right to do with their own property as they see fit.

[@cedrichunter9759]

You're a Scott? Interesting.

[@CinziaDuBois]

No? Just because a person lives in a country doesn't mean they're from there

[@andrewpestotnik5495]

@@CinziaDuBois where are you from? In the least creepy way possible

[@CinziaDuBois]

England

[@andrewpestotnik5495]

@@CinziaDuBois fair haha

[@TGo-n-Roscoe]

You are getting so angry with this dead guy... lol. Warranted, but funny.

[@RichiEnglish]

Scottish, for real?

[@CinziaDuBois]

no. I live here

[@LisaBeergutHolst]

The 19th-century archaeological version of Elon Musk 😆

[@joshuacarrera6440]

there wasn't anyone as wealthy as Elon musk back then nor was there any wealthy person back then who had 150 I.Q. like Elon musk has the dude's a multi billionaire who built his self up through sound business investment's and playing the field of high risk high reward stock trading and other venture capitalistic endeavor's comparing him to Heinrich schliemann is an insult of poor founding and say's allot about what you actually think u know about somebody you don't know personally and compared with what u will believe that's being said about them and how their being portrayed to look... ....gee I sure hope you never have perfect strangers you don't know bad mouth you for no reason worth the merit to speak of and believe all sorts of nonsensical ignorant things about you when you make that 1st billion dollars just like him u don't become a billionaire by chance or luck it takes effort and deep determination it's not something u just become because you think it's so easy to strike it rich obviously and all of them are just some dumb lucky bastards with more money than sense it's sad

[@karlkarlos3545]

The keyword here is "gross exaggeration". Most scholars today admit that modern archeology actually started with Schlieman (Schleeman not Schleyeman). We have come a long way since then and should maybe not judge mistakes by modern standards. I think most of the English narrative boils simply down from being pissed that a German bloke "stole" the glory from a Brit.

[@CinziaDuBois]

lying about discovering a site before you ever excavated there and illegally smuggling out treasure that you didn’t find and selling it for your own benefit, then smearing the original archaeologist’s name when they tried to set the record straight isn’t a “mistake”.

[@karlkarlos3545]

@@CinziaDuBois Sure, he was the only one who did such things. At least Schlieman compensated the government. Btw. has Greece got the Elgin Marbles back yet? (love your videos btw.)

[@cadenceclearwater4340]

Trump much?

[@CinziaDuBois]

That is giving Trump FAR too much intellectual credibility.

[@cadenceclearwater4340]

@@CinziaDuBois 🤣

[@hydrolito]

@@CinziaDuBois Trump is a family name many people have it.

[@dreamingmusic3299]

TDS is no joke. Seek help. Having someone live rent free in your head is bad for you.

[@mrsjupiter9310]

Follow the meta fpor...money. Homer is now deemed ....faux persona... And why not admit .... possibly...that this faux person...played with anagrams too. ( It's uncanny just how many things are named in part or in whole ; T Y R E. on the old maps.