The Fugitive Doctor | Doctor Who

[@kaicreech7336]

I love that the Fugitive Doctor is clearly trying to pick up Jodie Whitaker as a Companion before she realizes who she is.

[@lovinavargas-carriedo2698]

When you think you're the coolest even though you don't know who you'll become/are yet.

[@jimmyc42x]

The Doctor likes Blondes

[@Cletus-Hellfire]

I liked the guy from the Christmas special who fought he was the Doctor. I think he would have done a great job. Unfortunately the writing went down a bit after Tennant.

[@Cletus-Hellfire]

The companions have been way too ordinary.

[@tomgiles]

My question is this gonna be explained towards regeneration

[@benbastianiartmusic1421]

The Fugitive Doctor and the War Doctor were both thoroughly captivating doctors played by excellent actors, I just wish we had gotten more time with each of them.

[@carolynallisee2463]

No disrespect to Jody, because she did her best, but I think the Fugitive Doctor actress might have been a better choice for a main regeneration. She certainly had a commanding presence on the screen. I guess the BBC could cope with a female Doctor, or a black Doctor, but not a black female Doctor in one go, which is a great shame...

[@TheCrippledEgg]

@@carolynallisee2463 maybe she'll return in Gatwa's era

[@Lord_No-brainer]

Maybe Big Finish will do what they did with the war doctor with the fugitive doctor

[@TheWhovinerd-1963]

@@Lord_No-brainerthey most definitely will

[@Caekitsune_95]

@@carolynallisee2463true except the Fugitive Doctor came before the 1st Doctor

[@SGTRandleOneOne]

It's very hard to just introduction a new doctor out of nowhere and make them believable. Jo Marting and John Hurt both nailed the roles.

[@DoctorDodge]

As much as I hated the idea of pre-Hartnell Doctors, I’m really liking Jo Martin’s take on the role. There’s a real sense of authority there, which makes her an interesting contrast to Whittaker. I’m curious to see when the incarnation will appear next.

[@tardiser9760]

Pre- Hartnell Doctors is not a new idea by Chris Chibnall the pre-hartnell Doctor appeared in The Classic Episode Brain of morbius 🙂

[@Alan1701b]

@@tardiser9760 I was going to say that too. It was idea'd back in 1975 by then-showrunner Philip Hinchcliffe and backed-up by Robert Holmes in 1975. I'm just glad that Chris Chibnall had the spine to follow up on it. It's really put the "Who" back in to "Doctor Who" even more so and I'm thankful to him for that added extra depth of mystery to the Doctor.

[@KingdomCooperFan]

@@Alan1701b I agree to an extent. It does carry with it many risks of plot holes, however. Much more so than usual, that is. Such as why the Fugitive Doctor's TARDIS looks like a police box. So I'm really hoping that Chibnall can fill in those holes in a satisfying manner, without rewriting much of the established lore that been accepted thus far.

[@DoctorDodge]

@@tardiser9760 oh, I’m aware of that. Morbius is a personal Halloween essential for me, and to be honest, I was never convinced by the fan theory that the faces we didn’t recognize in that story were Morbius. I guess it’s more a personal preference, as what makes Hartnell’s Doctor so great to watch is that he’s so different at first. He comes across as selfish and arrogant as any other Time Lord, so it’s great seeing him develop because of his first human companions. But, since the idea of pre-Hartnell Doctors is being explored, I’m curious to see how it’ll develop. Especially since Jo Martin’s Doctor feels so dangerous, which is the right way to go.

[@WardNightstone]

thing is the idea is OLD hell one of those clips that was just flashign faces was from a 4th doctor story where the idea of pre Hartnell doctors was first mentioned

[@TheDarkMaster312]

As much as I hate the timeless child being the doctor, she's good. Really good. She should have been the next incarnation, not a previous. She's amazing.

[@ivandphantom9028]

Agreed

[@hididdlyhodiddly6019]

I hope it’s retconned into the Doctor somehow becoming the timeless child instead of this chosen one bullshit. At least then the doctor started out as just a normal time lord instead of always being special.

[@EmeralBookwise]

Yeah... Jo Martin is splendid in the role, but really should have been inserted between the second and third incarnations, not pre-first.

[@MythicFox]

@@EmeralBookwise Yes, exactly. The 'Division' plot thread would have fit in perfectly for a canonization of Season 6B.

[@MythicFox]

I can take or leave the retcon itself, I just wish the episode where they did the full reveal was any good. Early mysterious unknown regenerations, sure. But the Master just... ending the Time Lords and turning them into Cybermen, wiping out Gallifrey off-camera, was such a disappointment. I mean, among other gripes, we just had a "the Master turns a bunch of people the Doctor cares about into a Cyber-army" plot a couple seasons ago.

[@JennFaeAge]

It's a really silly thing to appreciate, but I love that they both have the "...oh this is a joke right?" reaction on realising who the other is

[@EmmaSaints]

As is tradition with any Doctor meeting another version of himself or herself.

[@purefoldnz3070]

joke is the right word about the Chibnall era.

[@ofunnemordi]

@@purefoldnz3070 Get a life

[@kiritoswords6479]

@@EmmaSaints you could just say themself.

[@mayalewis2956]

Ruth is what the first female doctor could have been, She felt like the doctor, great style too

[@iamthinking2252_]

though I feel like if that happened, people would complain her casting was just a woke thing (black and woman)

[@prinzezze]

I agree so much! when she was like "you've got to be kidding me" i'm like.. yeah I wish....

[@Edward-nf4nc]

Ruth is what the first female Doctor should have been.

[@mayalewis2956]

@@Edward-nf4nc yeah, it pissed me off when she gave a clear warning to the judoon etc even took procautions and the doctor still threw a temper tantrum. The companions were great though, I loved them

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

@@iamthinking2252_ people also complained about Capaldi being old at first. They would have stopped complaining after a few episodes

[@saeedrazavi4428]

God I wish Joe Martin got her own season. She's such an amazing actress with such a powerful presence

[@fivish]

Are you paid by Chibnal to spout rubbish?

[@daneshramuthi3102]

@@fivish I think he is. The entire idea is terrible

[@muhammadyahya2542]

She’s got an audio series on Big Finish now

[@CutiefoxASMR]

@@fivish What is it with you people?

[@MegaAstroFan18]

She might. She's still alive and young (unlike John Hurt, may he rest in peace), so it's not out of the question.

[@Randy_Batswinger]

By far the best thing about the Chibnell era (about the only thing) has been the wonderful Jo Martin. Instantly accepted her as THE Doctor. Some people just have 'it' don't they? This feels like the pilot that should've been. Thank God we're getting more with Big Finish. 👏👏

[@FrankNFurter1000]

She is so natural around that Hartnell console... She's fantastic.

[@finnstewart4747]

Jo Martin is the only good thing to come from the whole Timeless Child arc. The fact that we're getting multiple Big Finish sets with her is incredible.

[@EmeralBookwise]

Agreed... if only she could have been inserted between the second and third incarnations instead of this pre-first rubbish.

[@TheCrippledEgg]

RTD should just forget the whole Timeless Child thing like the Doctor being half-human in the movie, then bring back the Fugitive Doctor and establish her as an incarnation between 2 & 3 for season 6b. Sever the thread link that's keeping her from fulfilling her potential.

[@wallacewallaby5782]

@@TheCrippledEgg This would add further questions about the 12 regenerations limit though since the limit should have been reached and addressed with Tennant and not Smith. Maybe during this in-between incarnation the time lords granted more regenerations in a deal to hand herself over.

[@Nebulous_Luna]

@@wallacewallaby5782 since the doctor wouldn't remember it they'd just grant the extra regeneration as to keep the numbers consistent so the secrets stay buried

[@thatHARVguy]

@@TheCrippledEgg There's like 2-3 hints Whittaker's Doctor was in a different universe. Many of us were of the mind that Martin's Doctor is this universe's Doctor.

[@Mask0fFate]

I’ll say this: While I don’t like the Timeless Child retcon (to put it nicely), I’m more than happy that the Fugitive Doctor came with it! Like all good Doctors, Jo Martin knows how to make the role unique while still recognizable as the Doctor, she’s stern while still containing a sense of whimsy, know how to handle herself in a crisis, and to top it off, her Doctor outfit is awesome, acting as a perfect reflection of her own Doctor’s personality; dark and serious on the outside with the black jacket and pants, while still being odd and whimsical with the multicolored clothes sticking out underneath. It just really works! Honestly, Jo Martin knows how to make this role all her own, and I’m not against seeing more of her Doctor in the future!

[@filthycasual8187]

She was also a fan of Capaldi's era, I believe, which influenced her costume choice -- particularly her boots apparently.

[@Mask0fFate]

@@filthycasual8187 That is awesome.

[@Venemofthe888]

I think what makes her so interesting is that we dont know too much about her and the fact she is played by a amazing lady with a huge presence. I cant wait to see more of her and what happens with her in the future/past

[@justajokeforme2854]

Hey can i copy your homework Yeah sure but change it up a bit The change up

[@M7_Saffar]

No what make here interesting is we know nothing about it😅

[@totower9597]

This is single handedly the worst written change in all of doctor who. William Hartnell is the first doctor.

[@aydenjacko]

@@totower9597 It will forever be that, you could section off the doctors that we know as one doctor and the ones we don't as another doctor. I do agree this isn't the best idea in the world for the show. But hey maybe it can be explored in a new way which doesn't destroy the show that we know

[@fivish]

Cant wait for her to be erased from time.

[@jcoghill2]

From the moment Jo Martin appeared there was this powerful sense of gravitas that came with her. I find it easier to accept her as the Doctor rather than moon beams and sweetness Jodie. As a real person I think Jo Martin has quite a story to tell although I couldn't tell you why.

[@SenatiaA]

I know, I felt the same way. She appeared and I just knew she was the Doctor.

[@fivish]

JM has no story as she is just there for woke box ticking. The plumeting viewing figures show how deeply offended people are with Chibnal and his Karen time line.

[@Arkenway]

@@fivish lol, black woman = woke box ticking ?

[@TANG3RINE95]

@@fivish you're so sad lol

[@Pikachu150]

@@fivish Anyone who ever says woke unironically is just crying that it's not a white guy in the role/job. That's almost a universal rule at this point.

[@djtorres166]

Whittaker's take on the doctor was different compared to past doctors. She had the naive innocent trait which led played well with how the season turned out with the Flux event. But to be fair I REALLY want more Jo Martin's doctor. It took a few episodes for me to accept and finally understand the new doctor but Jo...within the first minute of her reveal just owned the part.

[@computernerd1101]

I wish this video included my favorite Jo Martin line: "Well done. You're only five minutes behind someone who just had their memory fully restored. Five points."

[@docwho10th88]

When the fugitive Doctor speaks ....everyone listens! That's how it should be. No smiles..no weird faces. She is a bada$$ and she OWNS it!

[@veeganboy]

Especially in her scene facing down the Judoon.

[@DimT670]

the last 3 doctors have been all smiles and weird faces, especially matt smith

[@ZacharyRodriguezVlogs]

I like how whenever the doctor first meets a past incarnation they always do that thing.

[@EmmaSaints]

Jo Martin has such great presence, she commands every scene she's in. I'd love it if she became the 14th.

[@2429Ryanspeer]

But she is a doctor from the doctor's forgotten past

[@hothemeep1219]

@@2429Ryanspeer or maybe her forgotten future

[@EmmaSaints]

@@2429Ryanspeer For now, that is. From a Doylist perspective: this can be retconned by future writers. From a Watsonian perspective: "time can be rewritten".

[@The_Lost_Subrosian]

Well the Museum curator did suggest that in the future The Doctor would revist 'just the old favourites' so a return for her as a future Doctor is indeed a posibility.

[@jmmproductions6741]

@@EmmaSaints Time can be re-written and unwritten, but I think we've gone too far with the "Timeless Child" concept.

[@timelord2502]

Russel Created the time war Moffat created the war doctor Chris created the fugitive Doctor

[@JayDragonarcProductions]

Well, Russell created *the last great* Time War. There'd already been a few Time Wars before then. And a destruction of Gallifrey.

[@TokuRewinds]

Russell created the Meta-Crisis Doctor too 😋

[@Evasive1]

Chris ruined the 50 years of the show

[@WardNightstone]

Chris didn't create the fugative doctor he just resurected an old idea

[@alexandergonyea4642]

@@Evasive1 Ok bud.

[@computernerd1101]

I loved Ruth's cover story. Her parents allegedly left her the lighthouse they lived in, so now she owns it, but never goes there. Of course, the parents she mentioned never existed. A place you own but never want to go is the perfect place to hide something you don't even remember hiding yet will eventually need to use in an emergency. Something like a storage device for your Time Lord memories.

[@LeFouGallois]

I absolutely love Jo Martin's acting, and she brought a whole new dimension to the role (no pun intended) . I hope that this incarnation has bigger roles in future story lines. x

[@somefingproductions2407]

I've got an obsession for this incarnation. Never thought I'd say that about a pre-Hartnell incarnation of The Doctor.

[@markhester6556]

Not Pre Hartnell. She's just a random regeneration. Could be the 44th Doctor (that's what I'm going with) I just refuse to acknowledge her as the true First Doctor. That's a disgrace to Hartnells legacy and the BBC should be ashamed. 💯

[@Phantom19913]

@@markhester6556 No she is before Hartnell the latest episode proved it. It's not a disgrace to Hartnells memory for them to introduce a doctor before him because at the end of the day they all are based the character he portrayed it just means there is even more versions of the character out there then previously thought and the doctor has even more history.

[@DrWhoFanJ]

@@markhester6556 How wrong can you be‽ It is not doomed; it still has its audience; RTD’s return is not an indication of a quality decline as there isn’t one; it’s not trash; the people who accept Chris Chibnall’s era are the true fans, unlike the bigoted idiots rejecting it; there is no damage; RTD will not end the show (it was confirmed years ago that the BBC have already ordered as far as Series 15!)!

[@SorchaSublime]

@@Phantom19913 the latest episode didnt prove it. we dont have evidence that those events happened before hartnell just that they happened before jodie. the series 6b theory could still be true.

[@somefingproductions2407]

@@markhester6556 Ikr. I wish they'd change that, but I don't think they will.

[@arnoldsherrill6305]

If the showrunners have any intelligence we have just found the next Doctor ., if any woman can pull off that character MS Martin can do it. Just the right amount of drama and offbeat humor the right mixture with intelligence and mystery to make the character all her own.. The same as David Tennant and Matt Smith did when they had the opportunity as the doctor

[@omegagamer4124]

What happens if the fugative doctor is what the meta crisis doctor would have regenerated into if he was fully timelord since they have similar personalities

[@Neil070]

Fortunately RTD is too intelligent to fall for the "the next Doctor MUST be a woman because....reasons" mantra. We have Ncuti because he is the best fit for the role, his race and gender had nothing to do with the casting, which is as it should be

[@carrastealth]

The Master: Who are you? The Fugitive Doctor: I'm The Doctor, mate. Who the hell are you?

[@julianaylor4351]

It so interesting that she's like the Doctor was before leaving Gallifrey, self assured to the point of arrogance and certain of herself as a know all. 😁❤️ Sad that time and horrors will change that. It also appears that the TARDIS that he stole was the one she already has/had used. I always knew the Time Lords could be really mean, but this is pure cruelty. 😢🤔

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

Well, I'm not really sure about that. It's interesting that the TARDIS, when in humanoid form, with #11, said she always got future and past mixed up (come to think of it, so did the Moment, LOL), SO...it's possible that the TARDIS took on that Police Box image when coming to Earth because she "remembered" being that in the future! At least that's my hypothesis on that part.

[@Sanimatez7865]

People started to look at the cast members of of Doctor Who now and have noticed that Ecclesston, Peter Capaldi, and Matt Smith all have "Fugitive Doctor" in their name snow, which could mean that the fugitve doctor may transform into the 11th, 12th, and 9th doctor off and on in the newest series.

[@nickmakura459]

Well, it's interesting, because Hartnell's Doctor would have killed if it meant they survived, it was his companions who stopped them from doing that, and helped him to see the good, and ultimately they are what helps develop them through the years.

[@Kibouo]

I assume it was the fugitive doctor who imprisoned the ravagers, hence becoming the “fugitive” and why she is a significant regeneration - I wish we could have a series covering the events leading up to it

[@autumbreeze1129]

OH. With what Flux has shown us thus far with Swarm, maybe that's who Jo's Doctor was referring to when she said "he". She was referring to Swarm in her past and what happens with her and Jodie's Doctor BECAUSE of Flux.

[@TheMelbournelad]

Have to admit the “mind blown” part was a hit of nostalgia. The old school who theme chills

[@davidthedeaf]

So two words will do that for you?

[@HOTD108_]

That's unfortunate. Nostalgia is the most hollow emotion in existence. It's when you like something purely because it reminds you of the past, and not because it's actually good.

[@itsandre4594]

Jo Martin is welcome as the Doctor any time 😁 She’s awesome!!!

[@kriegermaria9923]

Was happy to see her refeshin feeled like the doctor again

[@SephoraBloons]

Evil Dan: *"Nobody Needs To Watch Doctor Who More Than Me!"*

[@hothemeep1219]

Dude.....IT'S THE 50TH TIME YOU WRITE THE SAME COMMENT

[@SephoraBloons]

@@hothemeep1219 actually I change it every time if you look closely 😁😁.

[@SephoraBloons]

@@hothemeep1219 I'm not that evil Mate 😂

[@JayDragonarcProductions]

Nobody loves seeing these comments more than me! Bless you, Evil Dan.

[@Mawds69]

You're good at this.

[@thesnackist2881]

the way Jo Martin says "no ~time~" is just so excellent, very Classic Doctor

[@vitvlasak5800]

We need spin off with her she is awsome

[@Axodus]

I wanted a Doctor's Daughter spin-off, never got one.

[@oliverknagg5109]

Try big finish. They have 10000 spin offs nobody asked for. They have a spinoff with the side characters from remembrance of the daleks!

[@tkinsey3]

This was the best episode of Jodie's run. Great plot for every character, great mystery, Jo's (and Jodie's) performance is incredible. And it ends without answers, which almost made it better. Especially considering the lame answer we eventually got.

[@shergold8]

She’s not a Pre Hartnell Doctor, the Tardis wasn’t a Police Box until it got stuck as a Police Box in Unearthly Child when the Chameleon Circuit got Stuck

[@gunnhildk6299]

Good point.

[@themaker2149]

That got reckoned

[@ZoeMalDoran]

very late response, but I still maintain that it makes much more sense for the Fugitive Doctor to be between Troughton and Pertwee (the one Regeneration we don't see fully play out in the Classic Series) than before Hartnell. Exhibit A - the TARDIS is already a Police Box (an absolute deal-breaker for some fans) so she must be after Hartnell. Exhibit B - she recognises the sonic screwdriver, which was first named during Troughton's run, but doesn't rate it as a weapon because back then it was just a fancy lockpick. Exhibit C - her handler can't even conceive of the notion of Gallifrey coming under attack, which means she can't come between Hurt and Ecclestone as some had suggested (the other Regeneration we don't see fully play out), but instead must be from before the Sontarans invaded Gallifrey back in the Pertwee or Tom Baker era

[@TheFanOrTheMask]

petition....bring back Jo, bring back Jo - from the limited time on screen, she was amazing, no bull, witty comeback with the new doctor’s sense of style with rainbows - I would love to see more of this amazing Dr.

[@MikaNeow]

She really deserved to be the next Doctor or maybe a cool twist and she was secretly the Master.

[@Jedi_Spartan]

Anyone want to start betting on how long it'll take for Big Finish to make boxsets for the Fugitive Doctor?

[@SephoraBloons]

2 years

[@CaJoel]

They’ll probably only get the rights to use characters from this era when the 14th doctor is announced

[@CaJoel]

Just imagine the box art, with a title that’s something like “Doctor Who: The Devision” with Joe Martian and Karvanista holding their weapons

[@alistairrae9807]

3 years Jodie isn’t leaving till next year so they can’t use any character from her era until she has left the show and I think they will leave 2 years before bringing in Jo Martin like they did with John Hurt

[@LouieNeira]

They’re probably were part of her contract and already in the works.

[@a13xw71]

Honestly, I couldn't make it past Josie's Doctor first season. But honestly I find Jo's protrayal way better. I don't know why but she gives off the "THE DOCTOR!" Vibes

[@ZeroesToHeroes]

As much as I dislike Chibnall's run of DW, I love the concept of Jo Martin taking up the mantle of The Doctor. No hate on Jodie, I think she's a great actress and I'm sure she's only doing the best she can with what she's given, but I personally hate Chibnall's run of DW and how he rewrote The Doctor's origins. I really do think Jodie could've been an OUTSTANDING Doctor, maybe one of the best, if handled by anyone else. That's why I'm looking forward to Davis coming back and, hopefully, making the past few years seem like a weird fever dream

[@fivish]

JW is a very poor actress and is only there as a friend of Chibnal. JM is only there to tick more woke boxes.

[@jammiedodger374]

no matter if you like the whole timeless child idea you gotta admit jo martin did a fantastic job in her role and makes a good doctor

[@slateoffate9812]

She can't get her own series soon enough!

[@calvinfranklyn5499]

Honestly! She NEEDS to be given something to do, already. I wanna see her tricking ancient gods throughout spacetime, and so on.

[@centralrnrockets3500]

Fugitive doctor's arc makes no sense. They should play it off as if it's a trick from the master or something.

[@slateoffate9812]

@@centralrnrockets3500 No one asked. No one asked. Neither one of us asked. We don't care about your rage. We like her just the same. So please kindly go **** off and let us hope that she'll return.

[@The_Lost_Subrosian]

Would be great to see Jo Martin return for the 60th anniversary of Doctor Who

[@timelordhonour]

Or Big Finish (if they ever get the rights)

[@imperadorsupremofonsecaex4623]

Yes!!!! It'd be amazing to see her there!!!!

[@alistairrae9807]

To be fair Jodie is probably going to be in the 60th as well I don’t get why she is leaving in the BBC 100th anniversary if the next episode after that which will be the 14th Doctor first episode will be the 60th why not have Jodie regenerate in the 60th saves her having to just come back

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

@@alistairrae9807 um... I think you have your maths wrong, there. #14 will have at least 1 season before the 60th anniversary, unless they completely take a hiatus for an entire year. I mean, it's possible that they'll have a few specials, like Tennant's #10 did for a year, and then have the 60th anniversary episode, but if they do that, there's no telling which Doctor we will see in that. Who knows, maybe the Ruth Doctor! Maybe we'll learn more about The Division! Then again, this is just wild speculation on my part, LOL- or more like wishful thinking. 🤔 😉 😂

[@hotdog1214]

@@MaryAnnNytowl The three specials are in 2022 so #14 would only get a full series if they air it at the start of 2023 though right? I'm struggling to remember if they have said a series will be _before_ the 60th. My brain hurts.... 😣

[@ghostface_tardis]

Sad we have not even a full 30 mins of jo Martin Doctor

[@MrDunkycraig]

Well the fugitive dr has more doctor in her than the 13th dr and is a perfect fit

[@taurisshingler2868]

The best thing to come out of this Era was The Fugitive Doctor

[@Chloe_Heather]

This was actually awesome, I like her take on the doctor. The authority and calmness was a side I haven't seen with this doctor

[@eugene719]

Finally, i've been waiting for more fugitive doctor clips to rewatch for a while

[@NoMore12345-z]

Having both Jo and Jodie on here is amazing now. Good work.

[@fivish]

Unfortunately there will be nobody left to watch it.

[@SamuelBlack84]

I wish she had been the Rani. Also I would love her shirt

[@oliverstreet430]

Her power love her and the dynamic between jo and and jodie such great chemistry can’t wait to see more

[@Nick-kz6dg]

In less than one episode, Jo Martin carried the gravitas of the Doctor. Three seasons in, and Jodie’s Doctor still doesn’t feel like the Doctor.

[@alicethetransdalek7333]

she's absolutely the best part of Chibnall's era, super excited for the possibility of her getting some big finish boxsets and seeing her doing regular doctoring

[@fkez0510]

I'd argue the Master is the best part, Sacha Dhawan does such an incredible job But yes she is also up there as one of the best parts

[@thedimensionjakwarriorkidj1303]

It’s good to see Jo Martin Back As The Fugitive Doctor Again.

[@ratedy2k289]

Just when this Doctor Who couldn’t get any more tragic

[@somethingbanter]

The difficult part about her being a previous incarnation that we don't know anything about means there is only so much we can do with her character. She can't cross over with other doctors because 13 doesn't remember her so any crossover would have to end with a memory wipe. I feel like I would love to see maybe a movie or special featuring her, but outside of that I don't think there's much she can do unless she becomes a recurring character going forward.

[@TaylorTrask]

One of the most electric moments/sequences in the show's history. I wish Chibnal could have carried this focus and energy forward - it ended up being his peak.

[@CMDRThunderush]

I think the Fugitive Doctor is much more important than we have seen thus far. She could very well be the Other, a Time Lord shrouded in myth who helped design the archetypal basis of Gallifreyan society alongside Rassilon and Omega in a peaceful manner. She later readily worked with Tecteun in Division to uphold the security of reality. She adopts the name "Doctor" as a codename for her mission to do good, while her actual name is the keystone to unraveling her existence, like a redacted file. However, upon seeing the growing madness of Tecteun and her idea to wipe out a whole universe she perceives to be beyond help (possibly foreseeing the enormity of evils yet to come), there's some kind of falling out and the Doctor becomes too dangerous to leave alone, growing into the Fugitive, who eventually faces her capture. The Doctor has her mind sanitized and has a forced regeneration into a child in an attempt to purge the rogue element from her mind. The Doctor grows up and has a family, including his granddaughter, Susan Foreman. But somewhere under the surface, the Doctor shares a psychic bond with that one hinky TARDIS that keeps turning into a police box, and he can feel it calling to him. He and Susan decide to leave Gallifrey and travel across the highlights of reality, and he returns to being a runaway Time Lord. And this time, he gets to find out for himself if good can triumph over evil, even if it's only because he was the only one there to take a stand.

[@Phantom19913]

Your close to the answer Tecteun is the other from Galifreyan myth. Chances are Rassilon rewrote timelord history to hide Tecteun and division so Galifrey could pose as the masters of time when it was division.

[@0XXSuPaNoVaXX0]

This was beautifully written.

[@nathans45]

Yeah I quite like this idea

[@mal4k999]

i wouldnt like her to be the future doctor like some people have been theorising, but id love a spin off for her

[@benma1116]

Her being the future doctor doesn’t make much sense. We’ve established that she’s in the doctors past. Making her the 14th doctor seems like a lame excuse to not find a new actor

[@mal4k999]

@@benma1116 absolutely

[@hasteur3290]

Personally, I would like if Davies retconned timeless child in some way with the exception of Jo's Fugitive Doctor. I'd want to think that she would have been from a different universe and had gotten stuck in this universe.

[@benma1116]

@@hasteur3290 chibnall’s plan for his time as showrunner was always the timeless child. It’s too big a thing to just retcon. However it could just be forgotten and never revisited, with the except of some characters. That’d probably be good.

[@MeleeHellBot]

@@hasteur3290 Davies has said that he loved the timeless child twist so no chance of a retcon happening, although he could definitely improve on it

[@gorgesmiff]

WILLIAM HARTNELL IS THE FIRST DOCTOR

[@almighty7621]

better off if Jo Martin was a season 6B Doctor

[@EnragedM0nkey]

I hope we get to see some form of spinoff with Jo's doctor. She does such a good job as the Doctor.

[@theginganaut9254]

If we don't get a series with Joe it's a crime!!

[@2429Ryanspeer]

I do hope she gets a spin off series like Torchwood or Sarah Jane

[@DoctorDodge]

It wouldn’t surprise me if Big Finish eventually gives her a series to explore her Doctor’s era.

[@fivish]

Far too few viewers left to support DW let alone a spin off.

[@granadosvm]

Although I don't like what Chibnall is doing with Doctor Who's cannon, I like how Doctor Ruth and the new Master are being interpreted. Jo Martin and Sacha Dhawan are doing fantastic jobs.

[@fivish]

Geesh!

[@gladiator652004]

I absolutely agree. I hate the Doctor being the Timeless Child, but Sacha Dhawan and Jo Martin have been the highlights of the present era.

[@literallyanangrymoose7717]

Dhawan strikes me as someone who was told 'act like a complete and total, balls to the wall bonkers lunatic who might murder you at any moment' when he stepped into view. An utterly inferior Master. His predecessors were dangerous, but they were also extremely brilliant and lethally cunning with stories and plots that demanded your attention. Dhawan's screamy Master, by comparison, seems written by a child as a comic book villain.

[@FLAME4564]

The only thing that this Fugative Doctor reminds me of is Shades of the Valeyard only without the Valeyard's traits.

[@wallacewallaby5782]

@@literallyanangrymoose7717 All of the NuWho Masters have been clowns, except for the Jacobi Master who we only saw briefly.

[@IronWaffles]

They really did Jodie dirty by putting Jo Martin opposite her and then giving Jo the better characterization, better costume, better console room, better everything. Hopefully Jodie Whittaker does Big Finish someday so she can actually shine as the Doctor for real.

[@bruceflournoy7411]

Hoping there's at least a few specials or movie length episodes with the fugitive Dr !! Want to know and see more

[@AresofWar0]

The one thing that got me was....she teleported into the Tardis

[@SorchaSublime]

to be fair the 2nd doctor had that ability in the two doctors.

[@looneyburgmusic]

@@SorchaSublime When was this? I do not remember ever seeing the 2nd self-teleport....

[@SorchaSublime]

@@looneyburgmusic the two doctors. his tardis was outfitted with a teleport module.

[@looneyburgmusic]

@@SorchaSublime Would have to re-watch, but that would still not be the same as simply having the ability to teleport into the Tardis from the outside.

[@SorchaSublime]

@@looneyburgmusic sure, but if you for the sake of argument assume that season 6b is the explanation for the ruth doctor (so it goes 2-ruth-3) then he got that upgrade before the two doctors, she got a better version at some point then the time lords finally removed all those upgrades when exiling the doctor to earth finally.

[@timoheinz2879]

While I hate the idea of a pre-Hartnell Doctor, I really love her take on the fugitive doctor

[@yusufgazi7]

I'd prefer if she was a future doctor

[@johnfvandenboschjr6540]

A number of people out there are hating the theory of the timeless child, and by extension Chris. But here is something people may not have considered, the ideal of Pre-Hartnell Doctor's was floated back in Mat's (Doctor #11) era. Go back to the episode "Thr Doctor's Wife" at one point the Idris says she has about 30 control rooms archive, the Doctor stated he's only changed the desktop about a dozen times and Idris said yet, a lot of us took it to mean future remodels by the Doctor, but it also could have ment past remodels. And before any one state that the Fugitive Doctor's Tardis looks like Hartnel's the maintenance shop could of done a reset on the control rooms and chameleon circuit before deciding to just junk her because of the glitches.

[@laviarray]

Except the point of the joke was that Idris was archiving rooms that hadn't happened yet. 11: you can't archive something that happened yet. Idris: you can't.

[@johnfvandenboschjr6540]

@@laviarray there is nothing to indicate all 30 desktop's have to be from Hartnel ownward

[@haruyasumi616]

Well no. Susan states it was working before. In the first hartnell story, she explains that they have been to a few planets before settling on earth. She is surprised when they are in prehistoric earth and it is still a police box.

[@johnfvandenboschjr6540]

@@haruyasumi616 the Tardis circuit might have been broken (i.e. "fixed") and it took going back to the 20th century to fix it.

[@haruyasumi616]

@@johnfvandenboschjr6540 that doesn't make any sense. It's made pretty obvious throughout that it's supposed to change to suit the environment (chameleon is a big clue). And we have seen tardis that do work. And a few people have said they know how to easily fix it. Assuming there is a default appearance that tardis start with, or reset to... why in an infinite universe and time would it be something so specific to early 20th century england in a very narrow time, and so visually blatant? It would be something vague. Like a rock. And probably something gallifreyan. Maybe a silver tree or something. This just seems like cognitive dissonance, refusing to accept that this ruth character doesn't fit in as being pre-hartnell. Alternate timeline would make more sense. It's still a fricking awful character though.

[@auricstorm]

Latest trivia: The Master played a game with the Toymaker, with the "prize" being the timeless child timeline... So that's how #1 can still be #1 AND have 100s of regenerations before him... The timeless child timeline didn't exist until #14 released the Toymaker in 60:2 with the salt-superstition thing

[@brushwoodthicket]

Damn, there’s a lot of division on the Chibnall era, but we all love this version of the Doctor!

[@looneyburgmusic]

I don't. And I've been watching the show since the mid-70s. The past couple of years have been a total disaster, and completely turned me off to the show. So now I'm just waiting to see what happens after Chibnall gets dumped over board, before deciding if I'll ever watch again. If I do, I'll just pretend these two never even existed.

[@jacobwalker4398]

@@looneyburgmusic same. Stopped watching after the 12th doctor started airing. Heard his run was decent but havent heard anything good about 13. Also stuff like this doctor and the whole timeless child thing seems to break the lore.

[@JoseMendez-ud6hj]

Honestly same, Im not as an old as a fan as you considering they rebooted the series when I was two, but after getting invested into the series for most of my life, I left that what the writers did during Jodie's season completely ruined anything written before. I also hope Davies comes back and revives the show cause I hate to see the direction its going in.

[@danieljames1868]

The timeless child was a dumb idea, but the "actually there were doctors before who we know as 1" is pretty cool, and Jo Martin definitely has the right energy for the role.

[@jennifernorburg2441]

I don't The Doctor died with 12 #RipDoctorWho #HartnellIsTheFirstDoctor

[@TheGreatWhiteCount]

I hate how the BBC shoehorned two more regeneratoons, 1.) Fugitive Doctor would of been a great main doctor. 2.) The War Doctor should of been an alternative version of 9 from a timeline he never regenerated into and got older fighting a timewar because he didn't use 'the moment' when he should of, so the time war got longer.

[@pipecito2112YYZcol]

She, and the War Doctor are among my favorites!!

[@bigneon_glitter]

Cast *Jo Martin as the 14th Doctor!* She's there, she's perfect, most importantly: she is completely _the_ Doctor.

[@saberryuji191]

And Year by Year Later, David Tennant is The 14th Doctor

[@Omni_G]

One thing nice is when you realised even after the regenerations before Hartnell were forgotten, The Doctor still chose the name "Doctor", as if to say the Doctor will always return

[@fivish]

Its the Doctor, not The Doctor and certainly not Doctor WHO!

[@Aaliyahchannel2024]

Nope. william hartnell is the first doctor. No matter what chinballs says

[@SahiPie]

So how in the world is her Tardis in the shape of the police box if it’s pre 1st doc?

[@eshbena]

No one has explained that one yet.

[@thatrhynoguy]

Okay here’s my favourite theory on this: so Fugitive Doctor and 1st doctors tardis are one and the same. When Ruth’s mind was wiped and she got forcibly regenerated to a child with the 12 regen limit placed (Hartnell) her tardis was sent to the repair yard as it’s chameleon circuit was broken. When Hartnell’s doctor left gallifrey he was nudged to steal his old tardis by “Clara” and the tardis stole him to as she recognised her own pilot. The first place it took him was 1963 London so it could become a police box again cause it liked it. Hartnells doctor even said that he “tolerated this century but he didn’t enjoy it” suggesting he didn’t choose to end up in 1963 with Susan.

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

I have a hypothesis about that: What's interesting, and leads me to my idea, is that the TARDIS, when in humanoid form with #11, said she always got future and past mixed up (come to think of it, so did the Moment, LOL), _SO_ ... it's possible that the TARDIS took on that Police Box image when coming to Earth, in the pre-Hartnell past, because she (the TARDIS) "remembered" being that _in the future!_ At least that's my hypothesis on that part. I did think about that bit, a lot, and that's what I came up with.

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

@@eshbena read my response... it has my hypothesis. And I think it's quite a strong one, even if I do say so, myself. 😄

[@looneyburgmusic]

@The Mississippi Oasis "Many tardis default to Police boxes " - Where did you hear that one from? That has never been mentioned anywhere on any of the shows that I can remember. A Tardis has always taken a form that would allow it to "blend' in to it's surroundings, with the "default" being a simple, plain, column. The Doctor's Tardis took on the form of the police box when he arrived on Earth, and then got stuck in that shape forever. And besides, why would an ALIEN spacecraft default to a shape found only on Earth? That makes zero sense.

[@TomCee53]

I love how they make fun of each others’ clothes and have the same brain. And how it’s so unclear which is earlier.

[@jeckjeck3119]

She's brilliant!

[@lukegauci1159]

Why are people so annoyed by her? So its a regenerationt hat we didn't know about. so? The War Doctor was an unknown regeneration but he was welcomed with open hands by nearly everyone! Yes, William Hartnell is the 1st Doctor, no question, but that doesn't mean he was the first incarnation.

[@AdamW2434]

Because it overrules everything we know. We were told the doctor has a set amount of regenerations and Hartnell was the 1st hence why he regenerated up to Matt Smith when we were told he was out of regenerations. So it makes Matt Smith's regeneration story entirely useless if she's always had infinite

[@looneyburgmusic]

Annoyed does not come close to describing what I am with her, (as the character of The Doctor, not as the actress named Jo Martin, who happens to be fantastic). Hate? Despise? These words are better choices, but still do not quite describe just how... bad the entire idea of her incarnation of The Doctor really is. And the reason is quite simple - Again and again over the decades there has been one line spoken by one Doctor which was the foundation stone of the entire series - "I am The Doctor, the ORIGINAL." - William Hartnell's FIRST Doctor. Nothing can come BEFORE the FIRST of a thing, meaning Jo Martin's Doctor simply can not exist. Her storyline doesn't just "break" Dr Who canon, it tears the canon up into tiny little pieces, lights it all on fire, then napalms the fire. It was a horrible idea, which combined with the overly-aggressive attempts at ramming MESSAGES down the collective throats of the audience nearly brought about the end of Dr. Who entirely.

[@lukegauci1159]

@@looneyburgmusic acutally William Hartnell never said that line in his run. That line ‘I am the Doctor, the defiant article you might say’ was said by Tom Baker in ‘Robot’ in 1974. Then that was copied in Twice upon a Time, when David Bradley (playing the 1st Doctor) said “I am the Doctor, the original you might say.” So you you argument is invalid. Good bye

[@2rrkd]

@@looneyburgmusic No he didn't, that was David Bradley as the First Doctor, and that was only a FEW years old, not decades.

[@looneyburgmusic]

@@lukegauci1159 You're correct. It was Richard Hurndall, in "The Five Doctors" who said, "“I’m the Doctor - the original you might say” that I was remembering, which is still decades ago. So, the argument is not invalid, it only goes back roughly 40 years, instead of 60. Still far longer than the past couple of years of the ongoing Trainwreck Dr. Who has become.

[@podcastbard]

They showed some scenes from The Brain of Morbius during the game Time Lord wrestling.

[@charlottem7758]

Honestly, I think wasting Jo Martin's Doctor is going to be the thing Chibnall is remembered for. I don't like the idea of pre-Hartnell doctors, and the timeless children... it took an idea that I hate and made it worse. But really none of that even compares to casting the first black doctor, not letting them ever be the protagonist of the show, and relegating them to a side character. Jo Martin was fantastic as the Doctor she should have been the 14th Doctor instead of giving her a grand total of 1 episode and 3 other scenes...

[@ShiningWolf88]

RTD fixed that

[@AndyTheIrateAnt]

Luckily we've got RTD back to! ...do a bi-generation for the first (or I guess latest?) black doctor, wherein Tenants doctor (the most loved) is the protagonist, takes center stage, and sucks out any focus on Gatwa. If we can rely on British writers to do anything, it's apparently to fuck up this sort of thing.

[@charlottem7758]

@@AndyTheIrateAnt Yeah, honestly I really don't like bi-generation, I think it was stupid and added nothing. And if you want to add all the stuff the RTD has said behind the scenes about it... I hate it even more than the Timeless Children.

[@urmummminecraft8526]

With like 20 mins of screen time all together as the doctor (Not as Ruth) she was already so much better than Jodies Doctor

[@MusicHandsAbrupt]

It makes no sense that her TARDIS is in the form of a police box.

[@liammellor6405]

I do hope we see more of the Fugitive Doctor. Jo Martin is a brilliant Doctor.

[@alexharper7699]

I quite like her. I feel the story is weak but has potential due to a good actress. Once you get over the fact it completely re-writes Dr who history that is.

[@misterlyle.]

Jo Martin's performance is a shining success in a sea of murky chaos. Hopefully she will have an opportunity to return for a special or two. Maybe Alex Kingston can be there too.

[@Tekkenfreek234]

I really really really really really REALLY hope RTD brings The Fugitive Doctor back! It would be criminal to let such an excellent performance go to waste!

[@ShamrockParticle]

So far it's not happened. Probably won't as the timeless children idea has already been cherrypicked based on interviews since Chibnall's era ended. Big Finish will be great, though!

[@SmashYamato]

Personally, I'd prefer if Jo Martin was like 2.5 or 2.7. We never saw Troughton regenerate into Pertwee. We also saw Troughton in the Two Doctors working for the Time Lords as penance. What if Martin fit in that gap? I dunno how this works really. I am curious to see what the endgame is to this. And I'm all for more of Jo Martin.

[@danbob-bu8gz]

I might have got this slightly wrong but, did anyone notice how similar the room with the chamber in looks similar to the room with the time angel’s in last episode

[@The_Doctor__]

Jo Martin deserves a couple of series of her own as The Doctor, She feels more like the Doctor than Jodie does.

[@fivish]

The Karen 'doctors' are an insult to the viewers who are deserting the show.

[@wallacewallaby5782]

@@fivish Karen Doctors?

[@f-zilla7347]

I don’t like Pre-Hartnell incarnations. Like, I really, really don’t. But Jo Martin is just amazing as the Doctor. She should’ve been the 13th Doctor.

[@ZA-mg5nq]

her theme is so good

[@garywalker5000]

you have got to be kidding me

[@chibb73]

So if she IS pre-Hartnell, why would her TARDIS be a Police Box? I thought that it got stuck in that disguise when it landed in Totters Yard?

[@noahwashington5097]

I have to admit I am pleasently surprised on the welcome that the fugitives doctor is getting. But it makes me sad for Whittaker who just got the wrong end of the stick

[@DrVolk]

I have a theory that this incarnation of The Doctor is not Pre-Hartnell, but actually Post-Troughton and Pre-Pertwee~ I feel that The Division is just a subsection of the Celestial Intervention Agency who snatched up the Second Doctor (or the Hobo Doctor, if you will...iam Hartnell) after the main CIA had finished doing what they wanted (see Season 6B for more on the Celestial Intervention Agency); Troughton regenerates into Ruth, who eventually is wiped of her memories of The Division (perhaps as a future incarnation), and THEN regenerates into The Dandy Doctor I feel like my theory provides an adequate explanation of why the TARDIS is a police box, why she calls it her "ship," why the interior looks very classic, and why she refers to herself as "The Doctor" (it also could reinforce why Pertwee was unconscious for most of the first episode of _Spearhead From Space_ (a great story by the way, check it out if you haven't)) ... it makes the most sense to me, anyways Either way, I must admit: Jo Martin is really rocking her acting skills~ Even if she seems a bit too cold for The Doctor, it's definitely nice seeing the Jo and Jo(die) dynamic; it rivals Graham and Ryan for the best 13th Doctor duo

[@brunonaiz]

my thoughts exactly

[@orangemanGB]

In the scene where the Third Doctor arrives on Earth and collapses after leaving the TARDIS, he's wearing a black frock coat and dark trousers which look like those worn by the Fugitive Doctor. What he's wearing under the coat isn't visible because he has his back to the camera as he leaves the TARDIS and then falls forward. He has no memory of prior events, and has a wristwatch that can locate the TARDIS, which he didn't have in the previous story. The forced 'change of appearance' could have been imposed together with the original sentence of exile but for a different reason - appearing as a white, middle-aged man, the Doctor would 'fit in' as an authoritive figure in military intelligence in 1970s Britain

[@gfshfsgh]

Honestly The Fugitive Doctor was more interesting than the actual doctor in that series.

[@emperorholocron8278]

Jo Martin should’ve been the 13th Doctor. I’m standing by that.

[@ShamrockParticle]

Or the 14th or 15th. She's what the show needed, regardless of incarnation timeline. But she is the doctor, and that's what counts the most.

[@rayleverkunst]

This will forever be one of my favorite moments and arcs in the history of this show. Hands down.

[@fdr8343]

She’s amazing! 🤯❤️