The Fundamental FLAW With Phoebe | WuWa 2.1

[@ThundahPrime]

Edit: Guess what? Phoebe got buffed. So I had a point after all, shocking. Will be making a full video on the beta changes later today. The reason I dropped the video so early on during beta ks precisely *because* Phoebe can still be fixed, which why an entire section of the video is dedicated towards it. She still have time to become better, and we have to encourage kuro to do so because in her current state she will not perform to the standards that have been se by previous DPS's like Xiangli Yao, Carlotta, Camellya, and not even Jiyan.

[@MrJayslayerjay]

Does she do dot off-field? If so wonder if the game considers that coordinated attacks for jinshi. I don't use rover but don't they have spectro res shred? Think verina does to on 1 of her sequences but don't remember for sure.

[@DrStryde]

You're not even close to sane if you think Kuro watches and takes feedback on LEAKS of character kits.

[@QuanterJ]

@@MrJayslayerjay spectro dot doesn’t count as coord attack, and Phoebe is not meant to be played with Jinhsi.

[@QuanterJ]

@@ThundahPrime No, you made it *because* you wanted to farm and not creative enough to understand the new character kit. Hopefully, no one listens to your suggestions and we finally get a new interesting to play character instead of a new stamp character for lookalike 25 second “outro 1 - outro 2 - hypercarry do OONGA BOONGA” rotations.

[@wanderingwatcher3981]

@QuanterJ I don't think you need to be so worried about people dismissing Pheobe before she is released, people who watch speculative videos on leaked content are just the type of people who likes being at the cutting edge of discussion. It doesn't necessarily mean they won't give Pheobe a fair chance when she releases. The other camp of people are those trying to rationalize if they should pull for Roccia or not, or a few who still haven't decided on Carlotta. I think people have a bit of a blindspot for this, where the actual reason people won't pull for Pheobe when she releases is if the new leaks for Zani or other new upcoming characters look more promising. I suspect Zani might also be a spectral frazzle users, and in that case, the hype machine might actual turn out the be in Pheobe's favor.

[@cocopops1950]

I feel she's the type of character that may look useless now until someone discovers something about her later on, and she becomes indispensable.

[@TessahEtcheverry]

Thats how it was with Zhezhi when she came out. 90% of people slept on her and now she is one of the best sub dps in the game for 2 of the best main dps units. :)

[@xxfoursevenninerxxclawcrus6000]

True, like for example the genshin character thoma seemed useless but good for some combos, usually I don’t want to mention about it but it’s one of the only examples I can think of that relates to what you said. Not the last part tho

[@meliho27]

@@xxfoursevenninerxxclawcrus6000 problem is that genshin characters find a way to be useful A LOT later unlike wuwa characters that actually get to find themselves a working team they can be used in

[@caiovinicius5204]

Nope, spectro rover is already good without her, imagine with her. Spectro rover + phoebe will be meta, trust me, it will be even better when Zani comes

[@xanthosamoni2072]

@@caiovinicius5204 On top of that Shorekeeper already buffs spectro rover so Rover + Phoebe + Shorekeeper could be really common.

[@НикитаБатура-п5ц]

It's funny, we're talking about a character, kits and multipliers, who can be remade 10 times and the beta hasn't even started yet

[@jamahldavis5078]

Literally

[@M65V19]

You got clickbaited

[@abdullahawais9267]

well beta has started for a few days

[@BlackGateofMordor]

@@abdullahawais9267 Beta hasn't started. Kuro distribute the files really early and all footage you see comes from private servers

[@minhphat1612]

Nah ,what you see from leak is content from private server . the beta servee haven't open yet@@abdullahawais9267

[@romer1067]

I think she’ll be a character that gets way better over time. The spectro frazzle tutorial also mentions other elemental effects so I thing frazzle is just testing the waters and we’ll get elemental effects on almost every character in the future.

[@anyaforgors]

​@@chelo136 elemental effects not elemental reaction, they're not the same 🙄. If kuro have any semblance of similarity, its a copy but if its hoyo its "inspired"🙄

[@YukiFubuki.]

@@chelo136 what elemental reactions, they dont even react with one another, its literally just stacking the same element onto the same element

[@Aasta_raLuck]

​@@chelo136 I'm pretty sure you have not heard of this battle mechanics since Genshin devs cannot think that far but Effects such as Spectro Frazzle are DoT or Damage over time. It is a mechanic that continuously damages the affected enemies sometimes alongside debuffs. Elemental reactions combine two different elements (a simple skill press mechanic of two characters of different element). Please don't put your Genshin brainrot in a Wuthering Waves video it makes you soundstupid

[@Kyugorn]

You have no conception how tired I am of the "wait for future characters" argument........ :/ If Phoebe doesn't have full uptime on her own to her frazzle application, she's simply not worth pulling in the first place. Kindly go sit in the corner.

[@pablo14kekw]

we are getting aero dot next, there is a leaked aero set that gives buffs for hitting enemies with aero dot and we are also getting 3 aero units soon

[@s981318]

6:25 "Kuro Games is scared of making a character as two roles and perform well in both of them." Brant (support, sub DPS that deals damage): Ah I see.

[@EncoreMain169]

you wanna convince me devs who have made hundreeds of character kits simply dropped ay "fundamental FLAW" on Phoebe's kit I'll clown on your ass when they release her

[@delmaruuu]

Same

[@cupcakeobsession]

😂

[@birdbraino_o2097]

Just like carlotta then all the haters shut up when she released. I'll pull on miss pillow face's banner whatever people say.

[@Oban2006]

This is exactly what Kuro hates when it comes to leaks, making the character look worse than it is and driving DOWN hype and causing a boycott. 😢

[@BNik92]

Words can not express how little I care about the meta (i)relevance of my Card Captor Sakura reference.

[@jennygotthejuice]

Ima let y'all keep playing on my GIRL phoebes name!!!! just wait till her WHOLE gameplay, forte and kit comes out...y'all going to be gasping and shocked

[@hiyooyoo]

They do this everytime leaks come out 😂 they even said Carlotta looked underwhelming

[@gwanetayla7683]

She got buffs before release. So you could say pointing out the flaws helps dev make better changes on release​@@hiyooyoo

[@siema14123]

they buff the characters before their releases precisely because people say they are underwhelming

[@Livie2_1]

What In The Gatekeeping Gaslighting Is This 😭

[@minhphat1612]

@@gwanetayla7683 no she's super strong on beta . she can do alot of dmg similar to jinhsi . and can quickswap even on her ult state . she got quickswap nerf on release

[@TessahEtcheverry]

I think she seems awesome and super flexible. Being able to choose whether you want extra dmg or more buffs for teammates is a really interesting idea and I'm excited to see how Kuro handles her. I don't think there is anything wrong with them stepping out of the box from typical team rolls to try something different with her.

[@ThundahPrime]

I like the idea, but execution makes her feel unfinished and reliant on future characters. Still lulling though

[@koks49045]

@@ThundahPrime you dont get how outro buffs work. mortefi outro always incresases heavy at dmg by 48% no matter what. so if you normally deal 10k dmg, with mortefi outro you will deal 14.8 dmg no matter if you have 50% heavy atk dmg bonus from the weapon etc. it can maybe only be nerfed if you have verina/shorekeeper outro as well, but rly by not that much

[@abra2133]

@@koks49045 you don't get how they work. mortefi give 48% heavy damage amplification, that's a category of damage multipliers. it's the same damage buff that jiyan's sig weapon or echo substats give. and it falls victim to diminishing returns let's say you have no amplification so your dmg is 100%, then you buff it, it goes to 100% + 48% so 148%. 48% damage boost, huge right ? now when you already have some amplification, mortefi's adds onto that amplification and not multiplies, so when you have let's say 80%, you now have 180% as the new baseline and add 48% so 180 + 48 = 228%, and how much that increase is in comparison to the 180 ? you divide the buffed by original (228/180) and get 1.24, so 24% increase in comparison to the 180% you had. that's the reason why camellya mains use atk% on their 3 cost, because they have so much havoc and basic attack amplifications, the diminishing returns grow so big that atk is actually more of an increase

[@koks49045]

@@ThundahPrime ok maybe they will be the same. She has this feature "quick conreto gain" so that sounds like fast rotation so thats sounds like she will be good with dual dps, its as simple as that.

[@Gheniel_]

​@@koks49045 outro buffs are deep, they modify the final dmg. Not the same buff as spectro dmg% or normal attack dmg%

[@david_connors7031]

She was made for being the best support subdps for zani, who is also a spectro dps that use the new frazzle mechanic. Of course they don't want to powercreep jinhshi, otherwise players would be mad for the quick powercrepp. We still have time to see if she gets fixed or if she improves in future with Zani. Anyway, brant zani and fleur-de-lis (imperator resonator) are the next characters that will be very useful in next months.

[@Skaiserus]

where is the proof of zani being a spectro dps??? this feels like insane copium

[@meliho27]

idk bro zani seems too overworked and tired to be a ray of sunshine lmao

[@david_connors7031]

@meliho27 I know it seems a paradox but go watch leaks, she's spectro dps. The only problem is the weapon, it's rumoured to be gauntlets, but it's still not sure. But for the spectro element and synergy with Phoebe, that's for sure. Cantarella will be havoc, while for carthetiya it's still uncertain between glacio or aero or both. My advice is to get Brant Zani and carthetiya bit the choices are yours, good luck 👍🦋

[@hausofluzon]

Leaks says there will be jinshi's bis teammate in future after zani

[@meliho27]

@@david_connors7031 can you give more info about what leaks have you seen that says zani will be a spectro character, unless the leaks only show one version next, do NOT trust the leaks as its only a speculation at that moment, only actual beta test footage will give you real info

[@Gheniel_]

6:24 no they aren't, they already have characters like this in PGR. This is beginning of a beta test, they are just testing things always, so lets not jump the gun (like most people do with leaks). Just give feedback and wait for the changes.

[@wanderingwatcher3981]

Fair I guess, everyone is jumping the gun here (including myself). I know I'm not pulling Pheobe, but that's just because I'm disciplined as a f2p and she is not what I'm looking for. There are many reasons; animations look messy to me, I don't like attacking with "light", I'm not willing to commit long-term to building around spectral frizzle. The account also need a star dps with high uptime next, not a spectral AoE / nuke specialist. I like the outfit and her self-conscious / kind personality, but it's not enough. I've gathered enough information to decide for myself, but I agree, we should all chill more about it.

[@saixberserker5363]

Imagine theorycrafting around an unfinished kit, it's like those revenue analyzers

[@chadd4lyfe770]

She's amazing and yes, somehow her kits feels like they need more tinkering. if the devs are open for suggestion I'd recommend; 1. focus on 1 type of DMG ether make her a fully Basic DMG dealer or Heavy DMG dealer when she's in either one state. 2. Allow more application of Spectro Frazzle especially when she's on Absolution (DPS) state. so apply on intro (2 stacks), Absolution Heavy Attack (1 stack), Ultimate (2 stack), and Outro (2 stack). This is just to ensure Spectro Frazzle staks is on 100%, but not too much that it reaches 10 stacks on 100% uptime. that's for her confession (S.DPS) state. 3. the ascension of Spectro DMG Bonus is great but we dont know whether Spectro Frazzle also affected by DMG bonus or not so I'd suggest instead, the ascension passive gives the silent prayer effect (Spect resist drop 10%) on intro, entering state and outro. This to give 100% uptime and benefits both state DMG. 4. the silent prayer effect on confession state instead change her outro to deal coordinated attacks once every second for 4 seconds and each attack provide 2 stacks of Spectro Frazzle for her S.DPS Spectro Frazzle max stacks 100% uptime. 5. Her S1-S3 is great enough already. but I really hope her S4-S6 have some major changes. Here's some suggestion; - Makes her Mirror Ring bigger - Gives another stack/charge of her resonance skill - Enemy in Mirror Ring reduce Spectro Resistant, Character in Mirror Ring gain Spectro DMG% - the same as most characters 25% of either Heavy DMG or Basic DMG - Character near Mirror Ring gains Attack% or Maybe heal over time and heal characters from negative effects. - On both state, her 3rd Basic Attack is immediately trigger her Heavy Attack (instead of having to hold the BA button). And her mid-Air can attacks also trigger Heavy Attack on hit a more overpowered suggestion for Sequence/Resonance Chain; - allows Spectro Frazzle DoT to crit with 100% C.DMG (Eg: fixed Crit Rate of 30% at 100% C.DMG) or maybe follow her own CR & CDMG. - Max stack Spectro Frazzle triggered will deal DMG on AoE and applies 1 stack to enemy hit by AoE. - She can increases the maximum stack of Spectro Frazzle to 15 or 20? to further increase Spectro Frazzle DMG - On Absolution state, DMG increases against Enemy with Spectro Frazzle, the higher the stacks on enemies the higher her DMG is. - 50% of her prayers refunded/gained when initiating Ultimate. - Faster Trigger of Spectro Frazzle DMG on enemies with each stack lasting longer and able to maintain full stack. (Eg: when reaching full stacks of Spectro Frazzle, DMG will trigger once every 0.75 seconds for 15 seconds, maximum stacks remains throughout duration and when duration ends all stacks will reset)

[@dragonkus6934]

Than 1 month later she becomes the best character in game... 😂😂😂

[@vernonooi6474]

The majority community fixated on "sub-DPS" and that is why u all are so confused. Those that did not qualify as "Main-DPS", should be labelled as "Hybrid" instead. While those providing surviving abilities for the team should be labelled "Support".

[@madthane_]

I find it weird to go this hard on an unreleased character. Her kit will get adjustments as it's still not finalized. We got over 3 weeks till 2.1.

[@sanguinetales]

I look forward to the " I was wrong about phoebe" vid when she comes out lol My guess Zani will be Taoqui when on field, but a Spectro frazzle Yinlin off-field

[@ThundahPrime]

It would not be because I'm wrong, it would be because of changes through out the beta

[@oli201]

@@ThundahPrime Nah you'd be just wrong. The title says fundamental flaw.

[@EclipsedYamiOld]

@@oli201 Let's give bro the benefit of the doubt, "fundamental" might be too big of a word for him to have fully grasped the meaning of, making this insane backtracking attempt "valid"

[@Bigman85534]

So am I even mentioning the first place? If she's not even out yet, you should work for the release, then talk about whether she's bad or not. This video shouldn't even be up because she's not even released. We're going based off the leaks. You should wait for the character to release first and then come up with your conclusion. Leaks are in facts.just wait​@ThundahPrime

[@Soundwave1900]

@@oli201 even if "fundamental" is somehow wrong, which i don't see it is, it wouldn't be the first time a clickbaity title exaggerates something, now would it?

[@PrinceMarthX]

You keep going on about how Spectro Frazzle is weak but Spectro Rover can solo 3 star the left side of the tower right now thanks to it. I've also heard that the tick for the damage can reach around 8k. Which is the same as a coordinated attack with the empyrean set. That's 8k on Spectro Rover btw. Phoebe will likely be able to achieve a much higher number. I also want to point that her signature and spectro set is 61% crit rate. You're not gonna overcap on crit rate unless you run a 4 cost crit rate. It actually lets her not have to worry so much about crit rate subs and focus heavily on crit damage instead. This makes her really easy to build because she doesn't need double crit on everything. If you do run her with Shorekeeper, you could ignore crit rate subs almost altogether.

[@ThundahPrime]

1. Soloing left tower while left tower's buffs are entirely tailored towards spectro is not impressive 2. Coordinated attack characters trigger their coords faster than frazzle 3. Coordinated attack characters usually bring a lot more utility than just their damage

[@PrinceMarthX]

@@ThundahPrime It's only a 10% res down. That's not a significant damage buff. ~10% damage isn't going to change to a whole lot unless you were barely not making in time without it.

[@gwanetayla7683]

​​@@PrinceMarthXit's still a buff you couldn't have obtained for free from any existing Resonator your blind my guy

[@PrinceMarthX]

@@gwanetayla7683 The point is the buff isn't the reason they can solo that tower. So you can't dismiss it just because it's there. They can solo it because spectro frazzle is actually pretty strong. Spectro Rover is honestly stronger than Havoc Rover now.

[@wanderingwatcher3981]

​@@PrinceMarthX Havoc Rover is good. Saying Spectral is stronger is getting overly hyped about the upcoming Pheobe/Zani etc. Havoc Rover has no obvious flaws. You can throw him in on just about any team, and he does fine. Encore+Havoc Rover, why not. Havoc Rover+Changli, why not. Solid A-tier, nothing amazing but never bad. Spectral Rover on the other hand is awkward, doesn't excel at any one thing. It'll be nice if he has at least one team with the new spectral mechanic, but that doesn't make him better.

[@wonpiri___jinani3340]

its interesting how Kuro is taking on the Spectro Main DPS role. They seem to have a gimmick where they need to trigger something to make them shine. For Jinhsi, its coordinated attacks. With Phoebe, its spectro frazzle. Whereas with other elements, they can just dish out damage on their own accord. But ig its only a matter of time when new characters will utilize the new effects of each elements.

[@Kinger_of_the_circus]

I already got the character I wanted from 2.0 I’m saving for 3.0 now

[@dankwolf442]

For real Geshu Lin let’s gooooo!!!

[@unendingvoid]

So true. Carlotta is enough to satisfy me for the whole cycle of patches

[@resfeber4749]

​@@unendingvoidAre you sure 😅 let's see

[@unendingvoid]

@@resfeber4749 Ok maybe not the whole cycle but I'm ok with skipping quite a few characters for now :)

[@WuwuWuwa-f8r]

@@dankwolf442he’s not coming for awhile.

[@abra2133]

i really don't get where do you get your argument that she can't buff herself without other spectro frazzle character. spectro frazzle falls off one by one every 3 seconds with max 10 stacks, so it's 30 seconds. phoebe outro in confession increases that by 50% so around 40 seconds because the increase is for first 30 seconds. but even without that increase, because prayers are maxed out every 24 seconds , you will want to use her nuke, which is the only part that relies on spectro frazzle, every 24 seconds so she can easily have enough time to utilize her full kit herself, especially because those 24 seconds include her confession rotation when you're still in the process of applying the frazzle (info from latest kit leak)

[@ThundahPrime]

what you're saying is that during half of your rotations you do no good damage on Phoebe

[@abra2133]

​@@ThundahPrime that's literally the case for every T0 main dps in the game. camellya, carlotta, jinshi all build up damage buffs through atleast half of their rotations from reading her abilities i can already see that she will be focused on doing two heavy attacks within her modes and then change them or swap to another character if she can't. also how do you know that kuro doesn't want her to dual dps ? again, after reading her kit, it's crystal clear that she's supposed to have a cooldown on her dps phase where she goes on a backburner while waiting for her moment to shine. you're trying to say that kuro has no idea what they're trying to do or that they don't know how their own damage calculation math works. wtf dude and all that while she's barely in beta

[@prophet4722]

I think you need to let Kuro cook.

[@redparadox2765]

why make a video on a unit whos kit is not even done yet? u think beta means the final thing? theres a reason its called beta...

[@ThundahPrime]

There is still time for Phoebe to be fixed, that's why I'm making it now. Kuro still has time change Phoebe for the better.

[@redparadox2765]

@@ThundahPrime but your not telling kuro anything. u are making a video on her beta kit. if u wanted to give them feed back tell them not the internet. they already said they wont support leaks but u do u bro

[@Prismatics]

Easy to imagine another CC making a video titled "The Fundamental FLAW With Jinhsi" whereas they can talk about how future units like Phoebe are going to eclipse Jinhsi in team synergy and this upcoming banner with the current skin release is just a last ditch effort to milk her for one last time before moving on to a more cohesive spectro team that does more DPS.

[@unendingvoid]

Potentially. Your perspective on this can be quite accurate considering the circumstances. Carlotta is a bit better than Jinhsi in terms of DPR, and she's stolen her best in slot supports (Zhezhi and Shorekeeper). The fact we're getting spectro damage teams soon might mean it's a push to eclipsing Jinhsi's relevancy People should be careful not to be blinded just because Jinhsi was best DPS for quite a long time. Yes the bar for spectro is high but the circumstances are also unique

[@bardd24]

Content drought with baseless speculation base. Let wait until we got more info. I always felt jinshi was bad for the game because of her low effort with massive reward playstyle.

[@fastedwarrior7353]

@@bardd24 If she doesn't crit then playing with her feels REALLY bad. Crit fishing and perfect echoes are a thing in order to get the most out of Jinhsi and the best part is that most other DPS characters don't need to crit fish in order to succeed!!!!

[@Crazmuss]

If only there were another way to setup a teams aside from hypercarry. Imagine how fun would that be.

[@Bullminator]

1. Warm Light and Bedside Wishes Under the Absolution status, activate Resonance Liberation Dawn of Enlightenment to increase the DMG Multiplier effect from 145% to 275%. Under the Confession status, activate Resonance Liberation Dawn of Enlightenment to increase the DMG Multiplier by 70%, and add Spectro Frazzle Effect stacks up to the maximum that can be received by the target. She is Hu Tao pretty much.

[@someonesomewhere8658]

It's a nice s1 but doesn't change her playstyle except for stacking frazzle immediately. She'll still need to build outro

[@Sthhuihryjbtijhuijnn]

6:05 " half of it go to waste" lemme calculate that real quick Let me get this right, with echo set crit abd weapon crit along with base crit ( 24 +20+5) you get 49% crit rate and if sge has crit stats then 57 % if you get an everage if 7.5 % on each echo then 37.5 witg shorekeepers buff of 12.5 a total of 97% crit rate.... Just what exactly os getting wasted here? You do know you can use a crit dmg main echo right?

[@Sthhuihryjbtijhuijnn]

Lets calculate crit DMG too Average of 15% per echo equals 75 plus crit DMG main echo, equals 40 plus 25 from shorekeeper So 290% in total if add it to base 150% yeah buddy I see no issue here

[@ThundahPrime]

with my build I'm getting 99.7% CR before shorekeeper, high CR rolls are a thing that exist

[@Agrayseal]

Her wep actually gives 36 cr

[@TheChrowne]

​@@ThundahPrime So now how much would you get if you do not have a high CR roll?

[@someonesomewhere8658]

The more I look into it the more it seems you would 1. alternate between the frazzle and dps forte rotations, if without a frazzle teammate 2. use the dps forte every rotation, if playing with a frazzle teammate Actually seems like it will work very well either way

[@Soundwave1900]

As a Jinhsi main I'm glad Kuro are so generous to let me skip another two spectro dpses

[@catilycgaming8745]

So this channel a about hating a character thats not even released yet

[@fastedwarrior7353]

Yes not only that this channel is about forcing Changli into every comp just to make her work JUST like TC's did with Keqing in Genshin. Changli is bad just like Keqing so they TC'ers who goon for Changli put her into every comp just to make her work so they can prove to the world that Changli is good. EN TC'ers love their standards of old too much and cling to them hard.

[@championabovechampions5550]

@@fastedwarrior7353 ??? Out of the the current 3 best teams in the game, 2 have Changli in them lil bro you can cope as much as you want, but Changli quickswap teams, even when played to the average standard, have more damage then any Jinhsi team.

[@ardee9337]

We just have to wait to see her gameplay and skills outside of beta, things may still change and actually playing and testing her live might be completely different than what we are thinking right now

[@ig_sharafath]

Everyone said the samething for zhezhi and after seeing zhezhi is the best in slot for both jinshi and now carlotta. You all went hail zhezhi. And thats gonna happen again with phoebe especially with that . Carthethiya girl . Mark my words

[@ThundahPrime]

I was one of Zhezhi's biggest defenders lol, just go back to my channel

[@BotChaseWW]

too soon to judge

[@jamahldavis5078]

I think we need to realize not every new character has to be top tier or else we’re r just gonna end up with power creep with every new release

[@fastedwarrior7353]

Yes actually they do need to be top-tier because otherwise people won't pull on them other than Waifu/Husbando pullers. If there is no reason to upgrade then for MOST people WHY pull?

[@RosaryFGC]

I love her design. She is so beautiful, even if she is still flawed in her complete version it will be hard for me not to pull for her lol.

[@ATN_AI]

New metas always suffer from the cold start problem though, I think they should just come out with one or two four stars that resolve around this new DoT mechanic to pair with her and it'll be fine

[@WindowsPotato]

Thank you Kuro, I've been needing a skip patch

[@Sakura-Bunny-Boo]

So she's another Changli (a character released at a time when their BiS teammates aren't)

[@david_ace]

but unlike Changli, her teammates come only 1 patch later

[@Sakura-Bunny-Boo]

@david_ace True. I just made the comment anyway because all this video's problems sounded like the exact same ones people say about Changli

[@gregorius.dentang]

​@@david_aceWasn't Cantarella released before Zani in different patch?

[@david_ace]

@@gregorius.dentang candrella ?

[@pablo14kekw]

@@gregorius.dentang cantarella is 2.2, zani is coming in 2.3 together with ciaccona

[@thecasualgamer9661]

Bludd is reviewing a character's kit without the character itself lol😂😂. I will still pull regardless. Who da fk cares about meta? I can deal with ToA using my current team and If I invest more with my other 4 star characters. This ain't Dps impact lol. I'd rather watch CCs who clears ToA or Holo with 4 star characters (preferably Rover with lore accurate 2 star weapon for Holo😂😂) than seeing big pp dmg (brute forcing way).

[@Prodigal450]

Bunch of nonsense speculations smh I'll never listen to anyone coming from genshin impact.

[@tsuirorankami5243]

My theory is that Phoebe’s best team in the future is actually going to have Rover as the main healer and elemental debuffer. Spectro Rover shreds 20% spectro resistance at s6, which for Phoebe is far better than any buffs SK or Verina provide. So her main team is meant to be very strong (imagine when we get the last spectro frazzle dps) but difficult to manage since you can’t get hit, that is because Spectro Rover heals suck and happen only after liberation. That would explain why she has in-built teleport and 2 air-dashes, to get away and avoid dmg as much as possible. Or perhaps Zani will really have shields while also being a dps, and that would make even more sense. Phoebe isn’t a standard dps like Carlotta or Camellya, but rather she’s akin to Changli, she’s a hybrid. You shouldn’t be judging her as if she was a dps, she’s meant to be the main pinnacle of mono spectro teams that applies dot. That team simply can’t exist without her.

[@Gheniel_]

This is a beta test, ofc there will be changes until she gets balanced and good.

[@technicalleon]

Interesting video. IMO, it's still too early tell as she'll probably get some changes before she comes out, but it's nice to get an idea of how Phoebe'll work. Personally, I pull for characters I like and I think Phoebe's adorable so I'll be getting her. If she's gonna work well with Zani, all the better for me as she's looking like my favorite character in Rinascita and I'll be getting her as well.

[@Sthhuihryjbtijhuijnn]

8:23 trust me that analogy was the only thing that made sense on this entire video, changli suffers fromma similar problem but we really need to wait for the charector to come out to actually see how they work I think pheobe, rover, SK should work till zani comes out

[@nk30020]

Man I'm scared that if I skip her now & then turns out she's bis with zani 😭

[@RosaryFGC]

Apparently she is but we won’t know for certain until Zani’s is released.

[@danusorn8655]

S6 Sanhua (atk buff) and Baizhi with Shorekeeper weapon seem to be a decent 3rd slot I guess.

[@elvectorneko]

i have the foundamental belief that she would be best in slot for zani

[@mogia3072]

I think its better to have her normal atks and reso skill have Spectro frazzle stacks. than doing forte heavy atks. its complicated to do that much. also make her Reso skill have debuff spectro resistance. this will fix her and if you wanted her to be broken and all the future Debuffer Damager . Make all the Debuff Crits (Spectro Frazzle, Fusion Flare, Aero Erosion, Havoc Bane). Thats it already fix no need major changes.

[@Etoilepin]

There’s a large part of me that feels like we should all just shut up until the character is actually playable and we can all access her and then we can talk about the various problems instead of well….this I don’t know just a suggestion

[@GachaGacha93]

She is like Zhezhi in 1.2 update, when carlotta came out, zhezhi is now useful, many people pulling😂

[@muffincopnoicingforme8220]

Kit aside, she doesnt really appeal to me as much, will probably change as the 2.1 releases but.for now, flambouyant pirate man with a mysterious past and overworked mommy is what im saving up for

[@J0jed]

Well, she clearly has a role and she clearly is fun to play. So far Kuro delivered only fun characters. All limited 5 stars are fun to play. SO I doubt that Phoebe will be boring. As for meta/teams and synergies its too early to tell. Remember Zhezhi? Well guess Carlotta was made for her. Same thing will be for Phoebe, there will be a character that works very well with her, not only that but I think we will see more new characters with DoT mechanics or even something entirely new in 2.0 since the 4 star craftable weapons seem kinda strange, made for future characters who prioritize elemental effects and spectro frazzle its the first effect we get for Spectro, there are Aero, Electro , Glacio, Fusion , Havoc that we are missing. All in all I dont have Jinhshi / Shorekeeper so for me Brant/Phoebe and Roccia are a skip, not only I dont have that much Asterite but I am out of echo exp as well and rolling echoes to build a new character takes a lot of time and is a pain.

[@ThundahPrime]

Zhezhi already had Jinhsi, and Changli hypercarry upon her release as well as Lingyang. Phoebe has nothing. They are very different

[@J0jed]

@ThundahPrime yes but she is the best for Carlotta since has glacio dmg. Changli and Jinhshi can use her but not her entire kit.

[@championabovechampions5550]

@@J0jed It doesnt make any difference since Zhezhi is Jinhsi's best teammate anyway

[@joaomarcoscosta4647]

1) This is beta, her kit may change upon release 2) Even if she is not busted upon release, I trust that Kuro will release her in a state that she feels viable to play. 3) As mentioned in the video, she will likely get better overtime, as other characters with Spectro Frazzle (likely Zani) are released. We will have to wait and see how it plays out, but... I think she will be fine. At the very least, I would rather her not be "meta" at first and become really good later, rather than making her straight up powercreep Jinhsi right of the gate and only get stronger and stronger after. (I respect that, for the most part, thay've been able to keep powercreep in check so far while still making the new characters feel good to pull... And I don't want the pwercreep to start getting out of hand now.)

[@SHG3110]

Another issue with her kit is that she needs "120 prayers" which can ONLY BE OBTAINED THROUGH TIME and will take 24 seconds (5 per second) to max out. So realistically even if she gets used with a new spectro dps in the future, you'll have to wait 24 seconds just to max her forte and enter your state (most likely designed with dps Phoebe in mind so she can nuke stuff at the end). I feel like this will most likely get a buff alongside with her spectro frazzle application cuz these two flaws limit her playstyle. But welp, only time can tell.

[@Dungeon_Bunker]

I'm going with a wait and see approach until after I get Zani.

[@DoggyP00]

Looks like both the 2.1 characters are going to be weird and don't scale the same as normal characters. That sounds amazing for a regular game buy kinda scary for a gacha game. That's a brave thing to try, but so far they've been good at balancing it

[@Sthhuihryjbtijhuijnn]

6:28 idk about that hut kuro games definitely seems to cate about long term value of charectors rather than their immediate value, they pay attention to the larger picture and want most chatectors kits to age well Take changli for example

[@infernal_fox]

Counter argument: she can walk on water

[@gestily]

I don't understand Kuro's goal at all, they are pushing a more casual gameplay in 1.x version by removing outro buffs after the main dps leaves the field while now they are making dual dps which is a downer for how outro buff works. Like Changli and Brant and potentially phoebe and zani.

[@zolombox1779]

I'm just here to remind you all that before Jinshi release in 1.0 every cc said coordinated attacks suck and there is no reason for them to be in the game. All it takes is one good dps character who require one certain mechanics to work to turn entire cc community upside down. If Zani turns out to be new top dps powercreeping Jinshi which is possible with how popular she is and gacha devs like money and turns out that Phoebe is her best support then everyone will be worshiping her.

[@mhbarney8499]

Oh no. Not the HSR route where they release units that NEED future new units to even work. I know we had this with outro buffs not working with many characters but this is an entire new mechanic...

[@Opim981]

You guys forgot that DoT can be strong.. also her forte not releasing yet.. so take it as a grain of salt or this would look like a zhezhi situation❤

[@ThundahPrime]

We have the numbers already, and the DoT's damage is not impressive im any way right now. I know what I'm talking about

[@delmaruuu]

​@@ThundahPrime may I see the source

[@MuthuPillai-d3w]

Whatever you say I am going to pull for her

[@Briansip2]

We need 4 stars spectro frazzle buffer first before phoebe.

[@ClowReedx]

Spectro Rover is a quickswap subdps, healer and shreder, tf are you on about

[@renzturner8821]

One thing I just hate is She's a Spectro main dps while Jihnsi doesn't have a tailor made subdps for her.... And now Zani is rumored to be another SPECTRO main dps

[@fastedwarrior7353]

Jinhsi isn't going to get that because she would need TWO characters to accomplish this giant task. The first character would need to heal and/or shield in addition to proving a massive skill and Spectro damage bonus and the second support she needs is a coordinated attacker/sub-dps that fully buffs her damage that ISN'T Spectro.

[@TheOriginalGabberjaw]

They should just make phoebe a subdps with spectro dmg and liberation amp.... (Might make rover spectro actually viable....)

[@dankwolf442]

Verina’s R4 gives 15% spectro damage amplification.

[@ThundahPrime]

its damage bonus, not amp

[@toufiq309]

what you mean she cant apply spectro frazzle? one of her heavy attack apply 5 stack and her liberation apply 8 stack

[@ThundahPrime]

that's in her Sub DPS mode, not her Main DPS mode

[@delmaruuu]

Let's wait for the official release.

[@ThundahPrime]

I'd rather make sure these concerns are known so kuro knows to change Phoebe before they can't turn it back

[@MeDeadPixel]

Zani is made to compliment Phoebe’s kit. She may not seem good now… give it time. People are going to regret skipping her.

[@apenasumgamer]

if zani complete phoebe team im cooked because i didnt like zani THAT much, i promised me that i would only pull for zani if she is not close to a character that i want

[@championabovechampions5550]

Ah yes "pull for one character, but its shit without that other premium character" Sounds a lot like predatory bullshit that they do in HSR

[@gradiant111]

Now she got buff

[@JesusDavidCarranzaMartínez]

I do not approve of this type of content at all, Phoebe is still in her Beta version and her skills kit shows in advance that she will be able to alternate between TWO FORTE CIRCUITS depending on the sequence of actions, as it is on paper, which gives her a lot of value for future compositions and at the moment she has teammates who in their DPS form on the field work quite well.

[@ThundahPrime]

We can't look at a character's value as to how they could *potentially* be good in the future. We have to see her as she is. If she is changed for the better, I make a new video. If not, my takes stand. I will not stand and watch as kuro makes Phoebe and Zani unplayable without eachother.

[@LostWallet]

why are we speculating a unit that is not even out yet? mind you, officially, what ever we are discussing right here is against term of service

[@Vic-fj3qs]

Spectro Rover goes brrrrr

[@TheSupremeMedjay]

Bro thinks he is better than Kuro game designers lmao

[@kaizenhaziqz607]

Phoebe is cute, i pull, waifu >> meta

[@ThundahPrime]

me too

[@LevionBlake]

Hypercarry is the most boring way to play. Wuwa is an easy game. You don't need to optimize. Just play what's fun. and clear 99% of the content with a damage dealing healer and a supporting dps cause you can.

[@fastedwarrior7353]

WuWa is NOT an easy game to finish harder content I feel that I need S6R1 at least. Hologram VI and Lifer would love to say HI!!!!!!!

[@Gamingisliving]

I think copies are going to have a big Influence. I hope not, but like Hu Tao, Eula etc. They make a problem and solve it dirty.

[@gachacaspa]

Hmm so u can't buff her in a meaningful way that means something else then. The value of resistance shred increases tremendously

[@gravios9641]

This guy gonna eat his words soon. She's still unreleased and her dmg multiplier still unknown but already say she's suck lmao. The leak only reveal her kits but not her kit multiplier. Imagine if she 200%-300% frazzle dmg per tick

[@ThundahPrime]

we got her multipliers man. check wuthering wiki or hakushin

[@gravios9641]

@ThundahPrime really?

[@gravios9641]

@ThundahPrime ok. Nvm... Just checked it. You are right. She's weak

[@apenasumgamer]

put sanhua to buff basic attack and the problem will not be that much, as i heard she is focused in basic attacks

[@gemani_gem]

Maybe she's good for quick swap with S.Rover

[@GumbalI]

She went from my most anticipated to the least one with that kit. May pull for her if she gets changes otherwise is a skip

[@YoichiMutou]

willi still get her and her weapon hopefully early lmao

[@rafiaryasatya5555]

Yeah its kinda weird. New mechanics but without a suitable team at the moment. Its like mavuika released on 5.1 while xilonen released on 5.3....weird

[@bryanadams4981]

This video kinda sold me on phoebe ngl

[@Mystra]

Skipping just going all out on Jinhsi instead :)

[@dankwolf442]

Watching Phoebe’s gameplay makes a strong case for Jinhsi. Why pull for two separate resonators when one can do the same damage? I’m gonna go for Jinhsi and her outfit too!

[@friendlybot267]

what about brant bc im on fence abt getting him for my acc but i need a proper healer like shorekeepr for my third team

[@wanderingwatcher3981]

There are so many reasons to just chill with pulling right now. We completed that amazing survey, and yet people act as if no cool characters will come out of it. Imagine when they release for example a fire-cyborg chick that punches people with a mechanical extending arm and you are like: "I pulled on Pheobe because she was cute, she has no synergy with 90% of cool characters that will ever get released, I must now save for the next spectral frazzle character." 3.0 will be an absolute banger when it comes to unique and powerful designs. Unless you need Brant for synergies or Zani / elf girl turns out to be really good, just save.

[@fastedwarrior7353]

As a Welkin user I'm saving for S6R5 for a tanky dps that is actually good so that I can clear harder endgame content like Hologram with ease and without needing a lot of skill!!!!

[@wanderingwatcher3981]

@@fastedwarrior7353 Respect for knowing what you want and sticking to it. Zani is likely our first limited def-scaler, but might be more of a synergistic character meant to work with certain characters. If she is successful (very likely, with her "assets") the developers may release another defense character in 3.X. I'm personally looking for a character where I enjoy both the character and gameplay. As long as the character is powerful enough I don't mind, but I'm sensitive to "awkwardness". My dream character would be like an aero character with graceful movements who can attack while moving around freely. A fire character with "go-go-go"-energy wouldn't be so bad either. I try to keep an open mind, we get what we get.

[@WuwuWuwa-f8r]

You guys know nothing, the survey is for what people like and they just wanna collect data what designs and things they wanna do cyborg was already used for Yao and what happen as much now since this recent update; Phoebe will be insane with many characters..Zhezhi was buffed before she was released and was slept on then came out with Carlotta and was insane, Carlotta was said to be confused and bad but she was buried and is insane. Y’all don’t give characters that have been LEAKED chances.

[@wanderingwatcher3981]

No one minds if you want to take things as they come. Looking at your account name tho, I'm assuming you're a bot designed to protect wuwa's brand.

[@WuwuWuwa-f8r]

@@wanderingwatcher3981 I’m definitely a bot..mhm..

[@tgray1]

Have a feeling i'll be saving for a while. Not interested in Pheobe or Brant

[@marshallwhite202]

Same here. Lost the 5050 trying to get zhezhi for carlotta so im gonna sit on my guranthee for phrolova and the elf sentinel

[@gwanetayla7683]

Brother yive me your unwavering determination 😢 I keep on pulling everything

[@Sthhuihryjbtijhuijnn]

3:52 huh?... Wha? Since when? Thats crazy, smh makes no sense, does so called damage amplification not get diluted by too much dmg bonus?

[@Sthhuihryjbtijhuijnn]

Bro made no point. Called dmg amplification from outro different from dmg bonus , and proceeded to say it gets diluted by too much dmg bonus, tf is wrong with bro... I'll have to double check while playing to make sure

[@Arell-w8w]

@@Sthhuihryjbtijhuijnn phoebe gives herself amplification, not damage bonus. That's why it gets dilluted.

[@Bigman85534]

She isn't even out yet. You can't say for sure cause she hasn't been released yet.They might change in the future

[@touchedme1637]

Soon as I saw jinshi I knew this was about to be done bs. The chick was the 3rd character and yall can't let it go. Yall ain't learn nothing from other gacha games smfh

[@Giacomo_112]

I'm still going to pull for phoebe

[@ThundahPrime]

@@Giacomo_112 same, which is exactly why I want her to become better.

[@ALMIGHTYPRIDE]

She can walk on water 🌊

[@DisIngRaM]

Unrelated to the vids topic. Why do you remind me of SUPAH? (Maybe it's the way you comment and intonation) Even the name is kinda similir Thundah vs SUPAH

[@JackiShadow]

You are too dramatic. I still interested in Phoebe. All she need is Shorekeeper and Rover, but I wont spend a single pull untill I try her in trial. Most important part for me is how characters feel while playing. And btw if I loose late 50/50 most likely I just give up, because after all I have Jinshi with signa as spectro damage dealer... Her being spectro is her really biggest weakness, because she compede against Jinshi, which is by far strongest char in the game, and easiest one in the same time.

[@badqualityfrog9367]

I think she's made specifically for Zani so she'll be mid until Zani comes out

[@ThundahPrime]

We should not encourage kuro to make characters that suck without a different 5* character

[@badqualityfrog9367]

@ mid doesn’t mean suck

[@doriansz3130]

​@@ThundahPrime Thats how a lot of characters work in Gacha games,especialy in team based games. Some characters will be mid until paired with their bis team. Thats how they manage powercreep

[@cynthiahembree3957]

@@ThundahPrime No offense but first of all it's way to soon to be assuming that Pheobe sucks. Second off every character in the game is "mid" without their optimal team. XLY is not quite as good without Yinlin. Jiyan is not as good without Mortefi etc. Welcome to gacha games.

[@gwanetayla7683]

Everyone saying she isn't that bad bc her future character is not out is dum dum. Leaks are not guaranteed to be 100% and then what? I agree What the cc said Kuro shouldn't release a character that can't function on their own and are dependent future Resonator. Imagine you wait 2 to 3 patch for the sucy sucy character you pulled to be useful months later. Y'all sound like pokkes chat

[@low-keyvibin3189]

“Said the jinshi haver” The only flaw is that jinshi exists in this game and nothing wrong with that. Just pull if you like her. the character even 4 star char can clear toa and this is not hoyoverse game. 😂