The Future of Cars: Pure Electric vs Hybrids

[@farzyness]

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[@jimfergusondev]

Feedback: Farad, please consider stopping the use of clickbait thumbnails like "IT'S OVER!" I'm starting to avoid your channel when I see them because they feel misleading. I enjoy your content, but the thumbnails are turning me away. Sorry, man.

[@MaximGhost]

The clickbait aint for YOU. He's trying to pull in NEW viewers.

[@farzyness]

YT has a built in test to test 3 thumbnails at once. These thumbnails always win with the highest ratio of clicks. I will continue to follow the data. If that is upsetting, you’re welcome to block the channel.

[@MH-Tesla]

​@@farzyness They don't have KZbin channels. They don't understand.

[@jimfergusondev]

@MaximGhost Exactly, that's my point. The clickbait thumbnails are turning people like me away. I wish him well without us then. Every time I see them now, I avoid giving his channel my time because I feel baited. It doesn't help attract new viewers if they feel misled by clickbait.

[@lidoz]

Same I haven’t watched like last 10vids

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[@khwolter9038]

We have a Tesla & a Toyota hybrid. The hybrid only because we wanted to carry two canoes on a roof rack into the boonies where no reasonable charging infrastructure exists. The Tesla is the better car. The hybrid screen interface is slow, primitive and frustrating to use. The hybrid system is good, but the mechanical complexity is overwhelming. Electric is the future, it can't be stopped except by decree. For a while. The economics of EV's alone can't be ignored. The pressure is on.

[@scottdvorak5606]

I agree with everything you say here. I currently own a Tesla. In 3-5 years, I’ll be in the market for a comfortable, reasonably appointed AWD, mid sized SUV that will be good for road trips and light towing for under $60k. I don’t see anything on the horizon that matches that in the EV space. Disappointing.

[@Ask-a-Rocket-Scientist]

Automakers want hybrids because they have more parts to break so they will make more money in service and parts.

[@ToddMunschauer]

It's the Average Consumer not wanting to go All in on Electric, it's just a baby step to adoption. Right now they want both Gas and Electric, truth is the Battery on these Hybrids is so tiny, Why not make a smaller engine car with a mid size battery ? They are putting huge Gas powered engines in these and adding a tiny little battery.

[@HablaCarnage63]

In many parts of the country charging infrastructure is not yet sufficient so hybrids make some sense despite their inherent complexity. Plus dealers love the service revenue.

[@davidbeppler3032]

Hybrids are trash for the uneducated. They will learn to hate them. No resale value. Low reliability. Disposable.

[@BillCurrie-u6q]

Hybrids are a temporary technology, partly driven by range anxiety, and partly by the incomplete charging network. Eventually though when these short term issues are resolved, the cost, performance, reliability and simplicity benefits of pure EVs will end ICE cars, and hybrids. I believe any vehicle that needs fuel will be a hard sell within 10 years.

[@MichaelSmith-px1ev]

Agree these people buying Hybrids or PHEV’s are people who cannot understand the mindset of understanding how a EV works day to day. It would be interesting to see if a Tesla had main stream media massive advertising and user adoption. This is what Tesla was unable to do. When EV’s become mainstream about 30 - 40% of the market more and more people will get it. In this present time hybrids represent ICE OEM’s last swan song until this happens.

[@bobwallace9753]

And driven by fleet mileage regs. If legacy can sell some more efficient ICEVs by putting a few batteries in them, then they will be able to produce more large, inefficient, high profit trucks and SUVs.

[@tysonfinn1470]

Yes everyone go's on about ev depreciation but if you got a standard ice car it will probally be worthless in 10 yr s time.

[@bobwallace9753]

@@tysonfinn1470 As the market switches to EVs the value of used ICEVs is likely to fall quickly. It will not make sense to spend money on serious repairs, just junk the car and buy one that still works if you can't find a used EV. I think the value of used EVs will start holding up before long. Many of the early (non-Tesla) EVs just weren't very good and there have been few reliable places to charge them. But now the overall quality of EVs are good and Tesla is opening up their Superchargers to all brands of EVs. That's going to make a used EV a very attractive car for someone who is being careful with their money. Save a bundle on fuel and maintenance. Have little risk of expensive repairs. People will pay a premium in order to save money. If/when that happens the demand for used ICEVs will fall. And that will make them depreciate faster.

[@famnaff5136]

That’s the idea. Complexity of systems is the key to sustaining service income. They will whine all the way to their death. Only government can save them now. God help us if that happens.

[@paul_wiggin]

EVs are cheaper. Why would you buy a hybrid?

[@davidbeppler3032]

Because the dealer has 40 on the lot and NEEDS to sell them!

[@nico3064]

@@paul_wiggin Better question is why would you buy an EV over a combustion engine vehicle or hybrid. For most people EV's come with more impactful drawbacks over combustion engine vehicles

[@mickydee26]

Because the pros far outweigh the cons ​@@nico3064

[@RSkala100]

Hybrids are bad ICE cars and bad battery cars all in one.

[@MrQuay03]

I actually loved my Prius 2008 back bought 10+ years ago. It's great and low maintenance. Now EV is in the same situation as Hybrid back in 2004-2005 days, people dislike them because it has battery

[@alansnyder8448]

Not really. You need to look at trade-offs instead of being dogmatic. One of the trade-offs of EVs is the "The energy density" of batteries is much lower than gas. Batteries wear out and as a result, EV cars depreciate a lot faster. An EV in an accident is more likely to be "scrap" due to the fire hazard of a damaged battery. Going with a hybrid in the very reliable Toyota Prius will get a generation of people used to it, and at some point they might want a pure EV. But if the power-plant the charges the EV has emissions what is the point of an EV. I often think the green has the transition backward. We should decarbonize the GRID first with solar, hydro, nuclear and wind. Then once the GRID is decarbonized the move people to EVs.

[@CiaranMcHale]

@@alansnyder8448 Decarbonization of vehicles and the grid don't have to be done in a serialized manner. Rather, they can proceed in parallel. In fact, one side effect of the transition to EVs was a massive increase in the number of batteries produced, which resulted in significant price decreases and improved technology (better energy density and reduced fire risk). I think it this greater availability of cheaper batteries played a vital role in kick-starting the decarbonization of the grid. As for your claim that "batteries wear out"... Improvements in battery technology in recent years means that is no longer the case. Now it is expected that a battery with outlive the car it was originally installed in. As for your claim that, "An EV in an accident is more likely to be "scrap" due to the fire hazard of a damaged battery", presumably the same applies to hybrids since they also contain batteries. But if you are worried about fire risk, then I suggest you do an internet search for "fire risk ev vs hybrid vs ice". My recollection of doing such a search a few months ago was that the risk of a fire in an ICE car is about 60 times higher than in an EV, and the risk of a fire in a hybrid is about 120 times more common than in an EV. You display profound ignorance when you say, " if the power-plant the charges the EV has emissions what is the point of an EV." If the electricity for an EV is produced entirely by a fossil fuel plant, the EV is still more efficient and produces less CO2 emissions than an ICE car so, even in this worst case scenario, an EV is better for the environment than an ICE car. And as the grid gradually switches over from fossil fuels to sustainable energy, the environmental benefits of an EV will get better.

[@mr.makeit4037]

​@alansnyder8448 it will be nearly impossible to push fossil energy aside as there is no substitute for manufacturing processes without using fossil energy at scale. Those green sources you referenced just won't cut it for 8 billion people. Its only when we peak fossil energy soon with cheaply obtainable oil will we decarbonize. Then life becomes really simple, harsh and brutal with 8 billion people. The future then will be a hodgepodge of transport tech......at least in my opinion. And I love green tech. My homestead is full of solar including an ev trike and utv.

[@PygKLB]

⁠@@alansnyder8448I used to use the ‘energy density’ argument, until I realized that gas engines throw away 3/4 or more as heat, then have to carry around a big cooling system to deal with that heat.

[@bohicajohnson7203]

My mate bought a Mitsubishi hybrid over a Model Y!! What a loony.

[@jamesengland7461]

Buying ANYTHING from Mitsubishi is loony. They seem to be on the precipice of folding up and leaving the US market.

[@LegendaryInfortainment]

No, hybrids are killing ICE industry OEMs.

[@michaelberger6699]

Turns out an electric cvt is cheaper than traditional auto. Add a battery and you have a hybrid or phev.

[@Dularr]

Farzad you are missing the point. Drivers are not looking for next generation technology. People are buying hybrids because of gas milage and driving range. They like the idea of running electric in the neighborhood. But filling up the gas tank and spending their weekend way from home. Not having to think about filling the tank or recharging the battery.

[@cascaderetriever7618]

OEMs make their money from repairs and maintenance. They will love it if you buy Hybrid. True EV doesn’t have much maintenance so they don’t like that.

[@MrQuay03]

​@@cascaderetriever7618or more likely because they just can't make money selling EVs. lol

[@Trashed20659]

But 99% of driving is short distance, so long trips don't affect peoples decision all that much. It's much more of a problem to have level 2 chargers at home for some people than a DC fast charger for occasional use.

[@cascaderetriever7618]

@@MrQuay03 yep. They are taking old car tech and slapping a battery in. Consumers want a smart EV like tesla, Rivian. OEM havent figured out to to make EVs. And thus can’t make them profitable

[@Dularr]

@@Trashed20659 I would disagree. Hybrid sales number point to people being concerned about longer trips.

[@alansnyder8448]

I think hybrid cars are the right thing to focus on right now. It is the car most (80%) Americans want, and the EVs should focus on the (20%) who want an EV. Force a transition on people who don't want an EV will just result in a backlash. Also, keep in mind that a hybrid car is more affordable so more people can get a higher MPG car which is the goal isn't it.

[@jetrow67]

I bought a CRV for half the price of model Y. I'd love to get one but its a higher end vehicle with a price to match. And because its a honda I have spent nothing on repairs only gas 1 oil change a year etc. There are no "repairs' if you buy something decent.

[@tib0980]

The clickbaity titles and thumbnails might work in the short term, but i doubt that i will create a long masting community. I have found myself watching less and less because of the clickbait

[@atlanteum]

"Hybrids - OR - How To Be Twice As Wrong"

[@cascaderetriever7618]

OEMs have no choice than to try to sell you a hybrid. They can’t figure out EVs.

[@iandavies4853]

Wrights Law cost reductions are driven by the market leaders, not the laggards. Only Tesla is working on multiple fronts to reduce cost & complexity of BEV supply chain, assembly, design, sales. And now switching to service model TaaS, which upends how costs are calculated. Also, by making batteries & structure last a million miles - get driven a million miles. Ford, Stellantis, Toyota, Northvolt, Panasonic are doing nothing. ** 22:04 yeah, that’s what I’m saying. It takes massive effort, supported innovation to follow Wrights curve. Tesla thought they broke through battery curve, but DBE has been slow, CATL has beaten Tesla by refining old tech.

[@jayahn123]

I own 2020 MSLR 2023 MXLR (love both) BUT Disagree: #1 typical 3 days 2 night round-trip from SF to LA (Orange County)=6 charges 3.5 hours, my son's hybrid=3 fillups 9 minutes AND some of the Supercharger locations are very scary especially when alone! #2 renters of homes, condos, apartments have no choice but to use Superchargers: charging 1.5x to 2x per week x 42 weeks x 1.5 hours (L2) + 70 days x 1.5 hours (LD) = 168 hours spent at Supercharger per year! vs hybrids = maybe less than 10 hours at the pumps. #3 tires, insurance, repairs vs oil changes, tune-ups, smog tests

[@ericliu2628]

Hybrids are like the smartphones with keyboards. Better than feature phone, but not touch screen smartphones.

[@juansiv]

Dear Farzad .... so far I owned four Tesla's but my 2022 Model Y with 80 thousand miles just failed inspection in MA. Took my car to Tesla service and the diagnostic was replacement of steering rack ....($5,000) My heart fell off. My question was how it could happen, the answer was the roads in MA are in bad shape....put a big "?" mark in my mind...not sure if I'll take delivery of my Cyber truck 😢....

[@davidbeppler3032]

How did you not know you damaged your car?!

[@greatcondor8678]

That's what warranties are for.

[@davidbeppler3032]

@@greatcondor8678 No warranty for driver error. He damaged his car.

[@briannewman6216]

The recent development of hybrids appears to be correlated to the increase in the price of lithium. The legacy auto companies saw the increase in the price of lithium and switched their focus to hybrids. The price of lithium has now fallen back to its long term price so now the EV appears to be a more compelling proposition, however, this means that legacy auto will have to move their focus back to EVs. Western Legacy auto is now in a very tough spot. The Chinese are taking a significant share of the market in the emerging markets. If the Chinese can find ways around the tariffs raised by developing markets they will start to add additional pressure to the legacy auto companies in developed markets.

[@travisjazzbo3490]

It's weird how some people can't understand why people love Hybrids. The reasons are obvious, especially in the USA and especially when gas doesn't cost very much here vs most of the world

[@MH-Tesla]

They love hybrids because they are ignorant. Once you own a Tesla, you'd NEVER go back to gas. I never even think of range. It's the best part of the car. You just get in, do your driving without a care in the world, and plug in at home. No worry about getting to a gas station. No stress. No inconvenience. Then.... No maintenance and no service. I own 6 ice work trucks, 2 ice cars, 1 Tesla. I'll never buy a gas vehicle again. Unfortunately I'll need to keep my trucks until EV trucks are on the used market for a reasonable price. May that time. But it will happen. Love love my Tesla

[@danharold3087]

The unaccounted costs of oil keep mounting as we dig deeper. Recently learned about cumulatively 2 trillion spent by the navy on behalf of protecting oil shipping.

[@chlistens7742]

no hybrids are not a vhs/dvd combo... if the DVD part fails you can use the VHS if the VHS fails you can use the DVD. on a hybrid if the electric fails its dead.. if the gas fails it is crippled on range and the exact opposite of why to buy a hybrid. I think a hybrid is a bad idea.. maybe a short step for some companies. If legacy auto decides to jump and fully commit to full electric they will do ok after a 3-5 year adjustment.. if they can use there current factories to make hybrids while they convert ev.. fine.. but Hybrids are not good.

[@tedg1609]

Toyota and GM hybrids are like coal plants with scrubbers. Dragging out the inevitable death, polluting for another decade.

[@Martinko_Pcik]

I am a single father and looking for value. Low cost per mile, insurance cost and reliability. Prius is at the optimum. Definitely no EV I looked matched my Prius insurance. Gas savings are marginal due to average mileage per year and not worth of paying premium MSRP. In Ontario the $5000 Federal EV credit after taxes is not helping enough if it gets burned in 25 months of higher insurance payments

[@danharold3087]

Insurance companies will bump prices on public perception. When EV insurance is discussed we hear reports of people who pay nearly the same for gas and electric. Of course this does not help if all are overcharging in your region.

[@creditcardhelp8824]

Why would you want the maintenance needs of a gas engine and electric? It doesn’t even make any sense.

[@BarryObaminable]

I have a plug in hybrid. I like it. It allows me to drive 50 miles a day with no gas. But if I need to drive farther. No problem. But I still like to drive my EV better. Way more fun.

[@Dularr]

EV market share is less than 10% in the US. The recharging network isn't growing at the rate of projected sales. Buying an EV doesn't even make any sense.

[@creditcardhelp8824]

@@Dularr if you buy a Tesla, there are plenty of superchargers

[@Baldnesz]

Many people don't think about the reality of maintenance costs when they buy a shiny new car. .they are on cloud cuckoo land

[@Dularr]

@@creditcardhelp8824 that is not true. While I'm buying a Cybertruck, I'm fully aware the nearest recharging is twenty miles away along the Interstate.

[@rog351]

I think what is missing in your projection is that about half of the country do not have a garage or live in an apartment and cannot charge at home. You will NOT in my opinion have a massive adoption of EV’s unless you can go to a charging station and have your EV get to 80% in about 5 to eight minutes. If it is longer people will not want to be inconvenienced by waiting so long to charge up. You may find that the technology for a larger battery capacity in a Hybrid will most likely double in the next five years and then you will have a Hybrid vehicle able to get about 60 to 80 MPG. That will keep Hybrids in the forefront of sales until the charging dilemma is resolved.

[@danharold3087]

People have you looking at the wrong number! In the United States 0.86% of registered vehicles are electric. 60% could charge at home but less than 1% own a BEV. With 283,400,986 registered vehicles in the US that means that an additional 150 million or so people could drive BEVs and charge at home right now.

[@alansnyder8448]

I think this is right.

[@ShawnSonnentag]

Way too much video editing. It makes for a choppy video.

[@franki3Ru550]

Can't wait to get my model 3 next week

[@toddr.lockwood843]

I've been driving Teslas for 11 years. What I see as the primary obstacle to EV adoption and a driver of hybrid vehicle sales is lack of level 2 (240V) home charging. People who live in rental housing and condos are much less likely to have access to level 2 charging at their residences. As great as Tesla's Superchargers are, they were never intended for daily charging. For EV owners with short commutes, charging might be reduced to once-a-week, but that's still a lot less convenient than charging at home at every night. Charging at home on a level 1 outlet (120V) is just not realistic, especially when charging an EV with a 300+ mile range. Communities must begin requiring dedicated level 2 chargers at each parking space in new single and multi-family housing projects. Shared level 2 public charging is just too impractical for daily use.

[@chenyansong]

I have been using level 1 charging for 11 years, never feel a need for level 2 charging 😊 level 1 charge can give me about 50 miles per night, this equals to 18k miles per year, lots more than my typical annual mileage

[@toddr.lockwood843]

@@chenyansong To add 50 miles on most EVs, 12 to 16 hours of Level 1 charging would be required. A charge speed of 3 to 4 mph is typical on Level 1 vs. 30 to 40 mph on Level 2. Level 1 will work for Plugin Hybrids, where the battery is much smaller than an EV battery, but most EV owners would find Level 1 to be too restrictive. If an EV is ONLY being used for a short commute with a gasoline car as a backup, sure, Level 1 could work.

[@chenyansong]

@@toddr.lockwood843 it does not need 12~16 hours, for my model Y it averages 235 watt-hours per miles, 50 miles = 50*235=11750 watt-hour, it can charge up to 12A on 110V socket, account for about 10% energy loss during charging, 11750/110/12*1.1 ~= 10 hours, my leaf can charge up to 14A on 110V socket so I can get near 6 miles of range per hour of charging, these are more than enough for me.

[@IntoTheFray.58]

Once Wright's Law pushes battery prices down below the cost of an internal combustion engine, it will be foolish to buy a hybrid. Paying for two drive trains will just be silly. I think price will trump misinformation.

[@noleftturns]

So I asked AI (Perplexity) this question: Q: worldwide how do hybrid cars compare to 100% BEVs in terms of sales by month and growth AI: Based on the search results and recent data, here's a comparison of battery electric vehicle (BEV) and hybrid vehicle sales trends for 2024: BEV Sales: BEV sales are expected to reach 10 million units globally in 2024, marking a significant milestone . In Q2 2024, BEVs accounted for 8.0% of new car sales in the United States, up from 7.3% in Q1 2024 . U.S. BEV sales totaled 330,463 units in Q2 2024, up 22.9% from Q1 2024 and 11.3% year-over-year . Tesla's market share in the U.S. fell below 50% for the first time, reaching 49.7% in Q2 2024 . Hybrid Sales: Hybrid vehicle sales, including plug-in hybrids (PHEVs), are showing stronger growth than BEVs in some markets . In the U.S., hybrid sales increased by 45.7% in Q1 2024 compared to Q1 2023 . PHEV sales in the U.S. grew by 69.7% in Q1 2024 versus Q1 2023 . Globally, PHEV and range-extended electric vehicle (REEV) sales surpassed 1 million units in Q1 2024 for the first time . Combined EV and Hybrid Market: The International Energy Agency forecasts that 17 million BEVs and PHEVs will be sold globally in 2024, a 20% increase from 2023 . In the U.S., the combined market share of hybrid, PHEV, and BEV sales reached 18.7% in Q2 2024, up from 17.8% in Q1 2024 . Hybrid vehicles accounted for 9.6% of the U.S. light-duty market in Q2 2024, up from 8.6% in Q1 2024 . Overall, while BEV sales continue to grow, hybrid vehicles are experiencing a resurgence in many markets, with sales growth outpacing BEVs in some regions. This trend reflects evolving consumer preferences and automaker strategies in the transition to electrification. =================== Hybrids seem to be moving and BEVs seem to be stalling

[@Baldnesz]

The public in many countries haven't been educated on EV v Hybrid benefits and issues with hybrids haven't come home to roost yet in terms of maintenance cost.

[@noleftturns]

​@@Baldnesz BEV benefits? There are none - zip - zilch - nada. BEVs are plagued with a half dozen anxieties that have not been solved hybrids have none of them: 1) Range anxiety - it's 110F, the traffic has stalled to a halt and the route planner says it's 17 miles to the nearest super charger - the Tesla says you have 25 miles left. Do you turn off the A/C? and hope you make it? 2) Charging anxiety - you have 25 miles left and its 17 miles to the next Supercharger but the app says all the stalls are full - do you try for the one 22 miles away? 3) Depreciation anxiety - I own a 2022 Tesla Model Y LR and I can buy the same exact car today for $25,000 less - elon has killed the resale market for ALL Tesla owners 4) Complexity anxiety - you mom's Rav4 just got rearended and the shop says it will be a month before its ready - she leaves next week for her annual summer visit to her sister 1,000 miles away that she had taken for the past 5 years. Do you tell her to take the Tesla instead? Hybrids have none of these problems - Early Adopters like me put up with the BEV crap because we like to be first - ordinary people want no part of BEVs....

[@danharold3087]

@@noleftturns Yeah but if you buy another new Y LR it will cost less and your priced reduction induced depreciation should be about a wash.

[@noleftturns]

@@danharold3087 Name another car manufacturer in the world that has gutted the price of their car $19,370 without that $7,500 tax credit. It has killed the resale value of EVERY Tesla - just so elon can unload his bloated inventory.

[@danharold3087]

@@noleftturns The $7,500 tax credit caps set the stage for current BEV pricing. The average price of new EVs has fallen significantly. In May 2024, the average price was $56,648, which is 15% lower than two years prior when it was $65,000 (CBS News). The Model Y Long Range has fallen by $12,000. It would not be a stretch to say that the government should be blamed.

[@DoRu42]

Hydrids are back because GM and Ford can't change how they make cars. So they can't make an EV profitably. So they bashed EVs and are promoting hybrids. EVs still rule.

[@MyUniversalUniversity]

Hybrid are not going to last, as well know people only drive 30 miles per day in the US. I think that many people don’t realize is that 185,000 people run out of gas every year, what would call that. We also don’t drive our cars long distance for most of us legacy other companies. Keep the complexity going so people are emotionally freaked out about getting an EV. I talk to as many people about Tesla as I can and take them on a ride in the M3 Plaid. ❤❤

[@Mr.Professor-f4v]

I'm from Australia. Population 25 million. I put the question to AI if hybrids were selling well or not in Australia. The answer I got back was, Hybrid car sales in Australia have been on the rise. In 2023, hybrid and plug-in hybrid (PHEV) vehicles set new sales records, with 98,439 hybrids sold, marking a 20.3% increase from the previous year. This trend continued into 2024, with hybrid sales up by 194.5% in April compared to the same month in 2023. Sales of Tesla EV's in Australia 2024 fell by 20%.

[@scottdvorak5606]

I’ve owned a Tesla Model 3 since 2018. I’ve been mostly happy with it. But I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t disappointed with the options available to me on the horizon for my next vehicle. I’d like a mid sized SUV for my next car. I agree with most of what’s being said here. But no EV SUV I see can compete on price and luxury with their ICE, hybrid, or PHEV counterparts yet. I want a reliable vehicle, that doesn’t potentially cause hassles on long trips, that has a nicely equipped, non-plasticy interior, that can do a bit of towing, for a reasonable price. The closest car I see on the market looks to be the Lucid Gravity. But the price will be a non-starter. Hopefully the Rivian RS2 will be a contender. Right now, the likes of the Mazda CX-90 PHEV is the closest I see to what I’m looking for. It’s a pretty nice vehicle. But requires gasoline. It’s all very disappointing.

[@tedhamilton2362]

I would NEVER buy a BEV. FCEV? Yes, maybe. But, not in the next 10 years. Then, I will be in my 70's and even LESS likely due to age and fixed income.

[@philipwoodgate9555]

The rise in Hybrids is because people feel more comfortable with hybrids now, the technology is much more advanced, Toyota makes brilliant hybrids that are super reliable. EVs sales have flattened out because the charging infrastructure has not caught up, and all the early adopters have already purchased an EV.

[@machoopichoo2]

It's a strange point that Wright's Law is not destiny. I get that companies can fail and Sam's point seems intuitive, but it's not a law if cumulative doubling doesn't, almost always, equal a reliable % reduction in cost. I was going to say we have't seen Moore's Law broken, but upon further research, it's only proving true now for advanced chips (or in the case of NVIDA, blowing it out of the water). I guess it could be more Wright's Principle (like the Pareto Principle), if it isn't almost always the outcome.

[@dr-k1667]

This is the type of content that serves us All SO WELL on the internet. Thanks for doing this Farzad and company. Now if we could only get those that are in the direct line of sight of this movement to MOVE we could get to the GOAL a hell of a lot faster. WE WILLGET THERE but who will still be around and how it will feel before we make it is the point in HISTORY that we are currently in!

[@CiaranMcHale]

Some of the analysis in this video was simplistic. In particular, it is simplistic to claim that, from the point of view of a legacy ICE manufacturer, an EV is basically an ICE car with a battery strapped on and this is why legacy auto makers find it difficult to make affordable EVs at a profit because of the high costs of batteries. I can illustrate this with Ford. Let's assume Ford can make an ICE car for $35K and sell it at a profit for $40K. Q2 2024 financial results for Ford indicates the company is making 100% loss on its EVs. Thus it apparently costs Ford $80K to make an EV that it sells for $40K (in an attempt to be price-competitive with Tesla). The cost of the battery in the Ford EV is probably less than $10K, so only one-quarter of the $40K loss that Ford is making on the EV can be attributed to the cost of batteries. Ford is not alone in this. Rivian's and Lucid's loss-per-EV is also massively more than the cost of the batteries in their EVs.

[@olyalphy]

Another point to add to battery cost decline, giga castings, unboxed, is the 48V architecture. Also, Tesla has predominantly used 400V for the HV system (from batteries to the motor) so they could also improve efficiency a bit by unlocking 800-900V like they recently did for CyberTruck, but across their entire car lineup. The margin on the vehicle hardware will likely decline to single digit 10%, while the FSD / Software margin will remain high at like 80-90%.

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[@jamesengland7461]

EVs can meet the needs of: EVERY homeowner who can park close enough to their house. Most home renters who could plug in at home. At least one of the cars in EVERY 2 car household. ALL the speed demons; you know who you are 😂 The vast majority of pickup users. Most businesses that need company cars, puckups, or work vans. Most police car uses in most cities. Most of the rest of y'all who can use a nearby Supercharger. Some of y'all who can use the other chargers 😂 When? TOMORROW. Sleep in this big decision, then do your shopping in the morning 😂

[@karllued]

I bought a hybrid. The unknown issue for me is I also own a 1997 vehicle that is perfectly functional. EV batteries will fail at some point. Hybrids have proven that, as they have been out long enough to have battery failures. The battery for my hybrid is around $3,200 installed new presently. That cost may increase, or decrease in the future depending on technological advancements. This cost is acceptable to me. A full EV battery replacement means it's time to replace the car. Many people won't keep their car for 27 years, but I don't think any EV will make that landmark unless there is a drastic change in battery technology, which is not out of the question, but still unknown.

[@R56Cooper]

Tesla needs to add significantly more superchargers to LA. Right now, Hollywood only has 8 supercharger stalls on sunset blvd-- with waiting lines to charge. The Tesla Diner by la brea and samo blvd will add 30 superchargers-- that is very much welcomed. Please also offer Tesla extension cables for all the non-tesla EVs with charging ports too far to connect to the superchargers so no double parking🎉

[@steveblomefield9513]

Farzat.... Entropy entropy entropy.... The more stuff you have, the more stuff can break down. This is why Elon say the best part is no part, because he is in harmony with entropy. Hybrid= the entropy of ev stuff +the entropy of ice car stuff. It's INSANE Buying a hybrid

[@lumtavon1952]

Dealers love hybrid and hate EVs for one single reason being maintenance profits. So dealer staff will talk customers into a hybrid for SELF INTEREST as many customers are not well informed at all!!!! And drastic change is not what many like. From ICE to hybrid to EV is the step by step evolution we now see as pure EVs are in many cases still too expensive or small EVs are simply not there. (except in China). Elon s failure to launch a small EV is delaying overall shift!!!!

[@billbell3737]

Software is becoming a major development and support cost for EVs. It is becoming the downfall for legacy OEMs. Wright's Law doesn't apply to a doubling in volume or does it? How do you rationalize software costs?

[@kevtheobald]

Toyota said hybrid sales would grow and then made it so Camry can be bought as a hybrid. When you look at what Toyota is doing is making hybrid is what you will find at dealers. Pushing hybrids helps play into the narrative that people want hybrids and the economies of scale will help drive their hybrid costs down. In the end, EVs will be or are lower cost to produce. We know driving range keeps growing, which make hybrids less appealing. Some of these 10 to 80 percent recharge on 10 minutes being teased by Chinese builders could be a big blow to hybrids. When 2030 rolls around, hybrids will have very limited appeal. The charging networks keep expanding rapidly and everything from oil changes to engine maintenance keeps rising for consumers. Most watching this video should already see through the hybrid hype and know that ICE and hybrids will become a much smaller part of future sales. Just need more people to meet actual EV owners in their social circles. Odds are the FUD will not stand-up against an actual EV owner in social circles.

[@geoffshelley2427]

The word hybrid is being thrown about in this video and comments as if it's just one narrowly defined thing and it's not. There's a world of difference between a mild hybrid, a PHEV (which in truth is NOT an EV) and an EREV (which most definitely IS an EV). For a proper discussion the types need to be addressed separately. You could have as properly configured EREV and only ever use the engine for less than 20 hours in a year. How often would that engine need maintenance.

[@perengstrom3414]

Hybrids are a half measure. Had both a plug-in hybrid PHEV and a full EV. If youre going to utilize the EV part of a hybrid, you have to charge all the time, and slow. A full EV has faster charging and lasts several days between charging. Full EVs are superior to PHEVs if you have access to charging at home and have a network of fast chargers in your state. Were I live an increasing number of gas stations now also offer fast chargers for EVs. I guess they make more money on EV customers than on gas car customers because the EV customers tend to stay a bit longer and shop more fast food and stuff. You pull in and connect your car, blip your creditcard on the fastcharger and then go inside buing a hotdog, icecream and chill out for a bit until your car messages your app that you are good to go again.

[@Trashed20659]

I hate titles like this. It's "Done". Like John Belushi said in the movie 1941, "nothing is over until it's over". Anyway, I see it this way. Standard hybrids are a headache with lower reliability and higher "flammability" (more of them caught fire than regular ICE in the last study), but plug-in hybrids are at least introducing folks to the savings of EV power, as long as they actually charge them every night, and maybe at work. But if you actually bother to install a level 2 charger and plug your hybrid into that, you are wasting potential. It's like wearing half a condom. This of course only applies to anyone who has a place to actually put a charger, and that needs to be addressed. Imagine that you have a giant tank of gasoline on your property, but you can't get your ICE car closer than 50 feet away from the pump, and the hose is only 10 feet. That's what apartment and on street EV parkers have to deal with. The energy source they need to "fill-up" goes right into their residence, but they can't get it to their car.

[@staticgrass]

In Norway, Hybrid sales have already started to collapse. The trouble and inefficiency of two drive chains and the worst of both worlds, moving parts in the ICE and the additional weight of an undersized battery for the EV. Most owners move on to EV but some actually go back to Petrol.

[@machoopichoo2]

I wonder if Juniper will have 48V and steer by wire. I have to think it's a strong possibility when ~50% of the Highland parts were changed. I know this would create differences in the platforms but the Y is way more important than the 3 and Tesla has proven these technologies.

[@armyovhades]

depends on hybrids, BYD for example the ICE on the hood acts only as a generator, it is not powering the wheels, instead they charge the batteries that power the electric motors.. so only the electric motors are powering the wheels (always)... in fact , Toyota and other EU car companies will adapt that technolgy. i think Nissan kicks also has the same tech like BYD but sadly not as efficient as BYD does, because Kicks has small battery than BYD hybrids

[@jamesengland7461]

Hybrids save some money by replacing a very complex, expensive and heavy 8,9, or 10 speed auto or dual-clutch auto or a fragile CVT transmission with some very durable electric motors which actually reduce shocks to the engine, so there's that.

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

"Everything is frickin dense (in Europe)". Laughs in Norwegian. 😁 Sticker price parity is all there is to it. Tax ICE harder and BEV less and you are there already.

[@alicelong5714]

Please address disposal of these batteries. Seems wee are destroying the environment to save it. Mining, disposal, land degradation. Costs of repair of complex cars is bait and switch.

[@magsteel9891]

So far all you are talking about is technology and politics, and you are ignoring utility. Toyoda said BEV was suitable for about 30% of motorists globally and he is probably right. I live by a Tesla dealer in a neighborhood with lots of Teslas but people who don't have a garage to charge it in overnight do not buy them. People that want vehicle types not served yet by BEV do not buy them. And people that can't afford them definitely do not buy them. Stop being BEV snobs.

[@p1ckst3riOSgaming]

Used to watch every upload. If it says it’s over or it’s done, I tend to agree that it’s over for my decision to watch. Clickbait is clickbait for a reason, you get a quick dopamine hit, but lose your long time viewers who will support channel stability…

[@IndigenousEarthling101]

I think EVs may already be cheaper than hybrids in China, the world's largest car market. The Seagull EV is BYD's cheapest car. BYD also makes hybrids, some with high capacity batteries and good range, but their cheapest car is still an EV

[@mikadavies660]

I see big issues with Legacy Auto dropping below the profitable output thresholds. As factories lose money and shut, Legacy will scream louder and louder for more time with Petrol cars. However, it will be too late. Add in the efforts to sell Hybrids (that will actually make the manufacturers lose more). At which point we are done and the collapse can hardly be stopped.

[@marcusoutdoors4999]

EVs are simpler and cheaper in every sense. What we have now with hybrids is illogical, all the problems of ICE with the complexity of hybrids. This is a new mis-selling scandal.

[@smk4565]

EV’s in general need to be about 20% cheaper and the number of charging stations probably needs to 5X to get people buying EV’s.

[@davidwill1320]

BYD sells more hybrids than BEVs and their BEVs are compelling offerings. If there is a demand for hybrids, manufacturers will make and sell them. I don't see why some people are so concerned about hybrids.

[@Barskor1]

There is only 2 companies I know doing hybrids effectively and that is Edison Motors, and Hyliion, and their semi trucks their ICE motors are just electrical generators.

[@jamesengland7461]

Farzad farzyness 😊, you've built a great channel upon reasonable discussions with a wide variety of people from different perspectives and walks of life, and I love it, as do MANY others! I think many of us don't think your video titles honor the quality of content you've dared to provide and we hope for better. I know a title is a very brief soundbite to try to draw attention to the depth of all this treasure, and KZbin is messing with things, but I think a rethink of your naming strategy can beat them at their game.

[@stevencole7331]

I thought it was surprising hybrids did not take off withn the success of the toyota prius . It was around for along time and every ignored it . Even toyota just building that hybrid and along came tesla who bypassed the hybrid model which shoukd have been the bridge to evs to give the population a chance to adapt . Now automakers now see hybrids as a bridge once again for a majority of drivers concerned driving an ev . The problem they also have a battery that can degrade and expensive to replace which drivers worry about . My daughter was going to buy a hybrid but worries about the life if the battery. My son bought a lightning . He was in the deep end of the pool and jumped in and he was happy to do it but he was a early reservationist that he canceled . He bide his time which was good for him

[@jodylufc4481]

I have a hybrid company car and its stupid other than for the lower tax. It cost more than my old diesel. The range is half it, has a smaller tank to make room for batteries. The hybrid battery gets me about 10miles from full. The added weight is massive. Its probably less environmentally friendly than a stanadard petrol. We need better batteries, hopefully they crack solid state soon. Or we go to h2.

[@axon62]

Having 2 powertrains is stupid! They just doubled the number of parts and complexity in a car. Wait until they start breaking down. But wait, this means the dealers will make more money. The scam lives on!

[@Peter-z5f]

I think that for most people a plug-in hybrid is the most reliable option for electric. I've seen videos of long lines of cars waiting at a charging stations, sometimes during weather emergencies, and I think most people would prefer to avoid that. As such, for short trips, maybe your daily commute, you can do it on electric, but if there's an emergency you can just let the engine cut in and take you where you need to go.

[@ElMistroFeroz]

For the life of me I can't understand how people value a product, not by how it exceeds one's expectations, but by the $$ your neighbor or some random person would give you for it whether or not it's for sale. Maybe I'm just not smart enough to understand this concept, and hopefully one day someone would manage to explain it to me in a way I can understand.

[@PhilipAndreGjone]

From a Norwegian prespective , We have been trough it all . Hybrid is a temp step as people realize they never charge it anyway , cause it’s not worth it , as it charge itself when you drive . The rest is plain physics , it use more energy as it has two engines and two fuel tanks , more expensive to build and from a climate perspective a hoax

[@dogscats6489]

Hey Farzad , thank you for refocusing on EV's and the technology relating to them. I'm back following you.

[@BarryObaminable]

its crap. Plug in hybrids are simply selling some because gas cost is up. and they get 7500 off. its what people who are afraid of ev will buy. But once they have driven evs. they wont buy an ICE. You will get the big three and suppliers now pimping Plug ins. Why>? BECAUSE THEY WONT MAKE MONEY SERVICING EVS

[@iandavies4853]

It is crap. Certainly $7,500 for hybrid of 7 kWh is crap. (I checked) All hybrid does is eliminate gearbox (maybe), use a bit of regeneration.

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

You should see China Where the internal combustion engine is no longer used to turn the wheels .But as an electric generator(Range extender ), to charge batteries. When used on long distance travel Meanwhile, city trips such as going to the mall and dropping off children at school only use EV mode.

[@carlwahlstrom]

Hybrids is the last attempt from the legacy auto companies to make money on less intelligent people. The countries where hybrids are popular just indicates the level of intelligence in that country 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@jamesengland7461]

Besides eliminating transmission, hybrids are also allowing for smaller engines with fewer cylinders, which cost less to build, , though they're usually adding expensive turbos to those and

[@davidhancock91]

HEVs are outselling BEVs 2 to 1 in Australia. BEVs are up 1% on last year, HEVs are very popular and getting more so. Diesels are up 10%.

[@stevesilsby5288]

Hybrids might do as an interimstep for those living where charging stations are few and far between. For the restofur, given the ultimate goal of elimiting burning fossil fuels to get around, hybrids represent unnecessary delay and capitulation to Big Oil.

[@JeffRaimer]

Farzy, when you chop up the video to remove ums and ahs, it makes listening very disconcerting. It puts me off. Just post the video.

[@williamwoo866]

My son is a chemist and he wants a Hybrid, I took lots of science and I owned an auto repair shop and I worked on emission equipment to test if they are smog legal. I have two Tesla. Even smart people like my brother is so ignorant and he will regret buying such a car

[@jamesengland7461]

I don't know if this is a factor, and I've not heard it discussed before, but given than all the non-Tesla automakers have absurd mountains of debt, and each new plant or lab or factory to begin to build EVs is a new loan they each have to take on, aren't these high interest rates causing them to think twice?

[@davidbuchan3753]

Worst of both worlds: maintenance of ICE, plus smaller range - PLUS not as good an ev. In every respect.

[@MyPapagio]

Farzad says "forcing function" too much. It's just one of many overused words in his word salads. Lol.

[@bobmcnulty3500]

Hybrids only don’t give you a big improvement in your gas mileage. A plug-in hybrid is a better choice than hybrid only. Next best is to get a electric car with a range extender but the best of all is an all electric car.

[@jeffnewman9654]

Why would hybrids be immune from wrights law? It would just have its own factor . Not necessarily 15%

[@greatcondor8678]

What is better? A car that is cheaper, no maintenance, and free to fuel if you have solar, and Tesla insurance is dirt cheap. Or any other vehicle? I'll leave the answer to the Einsteins out there.

[@hanstandt9587]

💯 agree with you Farzad about Hybrids. People don't know what to do, so they chose something in the middle.

[@IndigenousEarthling101]

If cars could fly then ICE cars would be pigeons and Teslas would be the Millennium Falcon.

[@jalexand007]

Hybrids are a good stepping stone but nowadays one should just go EV. Hybrids still have a lot of maintenance cost.

[@Milo-UK]

Nice interview / chat but the editing is a bit weird. Feels like sentences and audio is cut abruptly and you dont fully catch what theyre saying. Its bad enough to be noticeable to the extent that i lost focus on what was being said

[@tesla-reactions6955]

Let people buy their hybrids. I think the cost and depreciation of these cars will be enormous. They won't be happy with these cars

[@Zarathiustra]

Im avoiding videos now because of the click bait. A few temporary watchers is not worth it in the long run

[@raczjanesz74]

Hybrid would be better option if electric range achieve 100km in winter, you can charge at home and the price cheaper then ev price.

[@thomasnyborg6233]

Hybrid is totally dead in Norway...Sales has dropped like a stone since 2016..

[@try_always]

You bought this channel or this channel was bought. What was the name of the previous channel?

[@FangTech-yf3qy]

Tesla sells are touchless and often you don’t even need to talk to anyone. There is opportunity for Tesla to educate people of all the features driver can get of of the car

[@Larsonaut]

But why are the majority of previous tesla owners switching back to ice cars?