The Future of Deer Hunting: Where Do We Go From Here? | HUNTR Podcast

[@funbunjo]

Man the ads are relentless…

[@GroveWoodFarms]

I know dude it's getting to the point I've stopped watching as much, it drives me crazy I usually have my hands full or into something and can't skip the ads. Super annoying

[@huntfishandgrow4140]

They already have their own ads inserted all over… then KZbin injects a bunch. They need to fix it

[@MichOutdoors]

Get youtube premium no ads

[@HUNTRPOD]

Open to what you guys think! Is it our ads or KZbin???

[@funbunjo]

@HUNTRPOD I think most if not all of us don’t mind y’all’s ads, but man KZbin piles their own on lol my poor little Roku remote gets a work out skipping YTs ads and now they ll frequently make you wait and watch 1/2 of it before allowing “Skip” to be available.

[@jordanhudson5075]

2:34 in watch Jermey as Jared is doing his part 😂😂😂😂, it was just a honest yawn but my god it couldn’t have been a funnier angle!!!………….35 and that kind of shit is still funny 😂

[@HUNTRPOD]

Haha I was rut worn

[@chuck8586]

9-13+inches of snow forecast for my cabin in 3b PA tonight through tomorrow. Really going to make it difficult to get into the mountains on the dirt roads for bear season on Saturday. A few inches would have been awesome to find bear, a foot is a bit excessive

[@HUNTRPOD]

Pile of snow in southwest too

[@iGrizzDip]

Hahahaa “Im ole Greggggg. What are you doing in my swamp? Ever drink baileys from a shoe?” 😂

[@HUNTRPOD]

😂

[@Leatherwoodoutdoors]

The problem in Pennsylvania is that there's a large amount of hunters who can't tell the difference between a 1.5 year old and a 6.5 year old. They literally think they are seeing the same spike for years on end. This " Look how old it is, it's gray in the face, and it's going down hill" is still very prevalent in pa hunters believe it or not. They think they are helping the gene pool when in reality they are killing yearlings.

[@shaewright2123]

I can definitely think of some people in clearfield county I know like this which is absolutely crazy

[@ronniemilsap7716]

Absolutely! Once a spike always a spike, or they will kill the other deer. Both super unlikely

[@jamesmagner4374]

I know a few guys like this in Illinois

[@HUNTRPOD]

Spot on

[@patrickbeck6793]

I had some buddies tell me the spike we saw was 6+ years old and on its way down….🤦‍♂️ nope, just a fat spike next to some fawns……

[@mikepoulson384]

Love the beanie

[@HarvestOutdoors]

We cannot think of the state agencies as enemy #1. As stated, PA has some of the best regulations in place. Whereas, even Iowa has more liberal regulations. The major differences are parcel size, hunting population, pressure and habitat. Furthermore, your point to being in the right neighborhood anywhere can grow big bucks. The right neighborhood, in general, has larger parcels which equates to less hunters, less pressure and better habitat management.

[@derekrogers5858]

I tell my son all the time that I think we are probably hunting the best era of deer hunting

[@daveyboy8907]

The late 90s and early 2000s.. It was better before cameras and technology took the woodsmanship out of it..

[@derekrogers5858]

@ I had a blast as a kid in the 90s but it was “brown it’s down”. I watched grown men talk about how old there spike was. The knowledge wasn’t there and we really had no clue what these deer were doing. If someone we knew shot a 100 inch “8 pointer” you were the hero that year. I get the feeling of not knowing the buck you shot even existed but these cameras Increased our chances of shooting a mature buck like 1000%(in more ways than one)

[@daveyboy8907]

​@derekrogers5858 that's true but there is something special about sitting in a tree not knowing which deer could come around the corner any minute..It's alot more exciting when that big 1 steps out at 30 yards and it's the first time you have ever seen him..Nothing beats that feeling.

[@HUNTRPOD]

I agree man…was just watching my old deer camp videos…miss that so much now

[@derekrogers5858]

@@daveyboy8907I get it. But right now we have the biggest bucks to probably ever roam earth and we more than likely are one of the last generations that will be able to hunt free range.

[@chuck8586]

46:30 i hunt a chunk of public ground thats a bit over 200k acres. I dont care what a bunch of hunters in the midwest do with fences. My deer hunting is only getting better the last decade and should continue for the next twenty years

[@HUNTRPOD]

Nice

[@Pricecorey]

Ohio needs a cap on NR hunters. Its absolutely bananas how many guys ive seen on public from out of state this year.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Thoughts on draws on public? Mississippi does that

[@Pricecorey]

@@HUNTRPOD I'm down to try anything new. But I think doing what Iowa does would be great as well. If we want there to be quality opportunities like Iowa, we should try to adopt what they do!

[@sisiler1862]

Public game land is the answer. This is my first year hunting and oh my I have seen some really nice studs for my state

[@HUNTRPOD]

Awesome

[@chuck8586]

9:50 still only 350k archery hunters in PA according the pgc

[@charlestonchew4422]

Jared's is a absolute monster. Super unique

[@chuck8586]

1:04:49 jared needs to learn about parcel sizes in the northern tier of pa. Public land chunks of 10s of thousands of acres. And huge chucks of multiple hundred thousand acres.

[@jamesmiceli6148]

Yeah I’m hunting a wma that’s 80,000 acres all one area lots of untouched ground just almost un accessible unless you plan on camping for a night or two to hunt some spots once you make it out to where you want to be.

[@HUNTRPOD]

I think he mainly was referring to private parcels

[@notuncertain5556]

Thursday was a much better day. It’s mild here in Illinois on Friday. Harsh conditions have put them back to their beds

[@HUNTRPOD]

Seems fairly locked down still too

[@chuck8586]

32:06 nah ive lived in pittsburgh, the deer on mount washington have absolutely no fear of humans. Had a ten and an 8 hang out in my backyard two summers in a row on Virginia ave. Thats the middle of the damn city

[@daveyboy8907]

Yep that's how seek 1 kills so many..Hunts half ass tame city deer.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Yea they are so easy to kill IF you get access to

[@COOPERHaynes-c4s]

@@daveyboy8907 yeah ok chief

[@lukiushall5940]

I hunt MI APR zone and non APR zone. Definitely have seen high grading genetics in the APR zone.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Yep it happens! The initial benefits are big but then overtime high grading happens

[@BigPig8747]

Put antler restrictions on the buck harvest. Have never seen stats in Texas showing most deer are killed on high fence (high fence is driven by exotics in a lot of places, not huge mutant whitetail) and we have a 13” antler restriction on bucks in a lot of counties. Doesn’t get more deer from 3-4 but does stop a lot of 1-2 year olds from getting shot.

[@HUNTRPOD]

I absolutely agree on the spread restriction but guys can’t even count points up here

[@brianreynolds8732]

I know the feeling about fencing. I'm considering putting up a low fence around my bedding areas. Here in Virginia gun hunters are allowed to run deer with hounds. Was thinking that a low fence would allow deer to get away from the dogs possibly?

[@HUNTRPOD]

Booners that’s a whole different factor!

[@reedbennett9485]

Texas fence maybe start with protecting the livestock?

[@jakemn6462]

We need to go back to the old ways. Vertical bows only, no cameras, no gun seasons in rut. Antler width restrictions to allow bucks to grow. I do agree with less out of state tags. Out of staters hammer public land and that’s hard on local guys without good spots.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Deer quality would be off the charts

[@toddstewart9437]

Commercialization of hunting is the biggest detriment. Technically the Lacey Act might not be violated, however, out of state hunters are attempting to achieve what the Act was meant to prevent. For instance, would you hunt Iowa if the antlers weren't allowed to travel back to Pennsylvania?

[@daltonmoore7889]

Where me and my buddy turkey hunt every year in Tx they used to have some damn good deer 140 low fence the neighbor sold and and they put up a 2k acre high fence the owner says they haven’t seen a 100 incher since 6 years ago high fence in 2 sides of his land but hey toms fly over 🤙🏻

[@HUNTRPOD]

Wow that’s wild!

[@LoganOrrick]

Arkansas public land is getting horrible! Logging operations, horrible pressure and CWD regulations that have removed most antler restrictions in portions of the state people are killing everything that walks.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Ughhhh

[@JustinDoin]

Be like me!! All these guys are saying.

[@HUNTRPOD]

lol what? We are just talking about issues

[@willvanceoutdoors614]

What would help every hard core big buck hunter is for Alabama and Mississippi to end the 90 day gun seasons and to start their seasons on November 1st n go into mid February . You’d have way less NR hunters in KY, Iowa, Kansas etc.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Completely agree, no need for gun seasons that long with things like crossbows around

[@rickalsept4740]

How do you feel about air bows?

[@HUNTRPOD]

Honestly not sure lol

[@CodyYamnitz-y1f]

2 things. Im seriously considering a defensive fence against one of my neighbors. I wont do a 12 ft but im thinking a really nice 8ft woven wire all the way to a pinch point would work. And i believe wholehearted that 60% of deer in Missouri go untagged

[@jongutierrez9116]

Could the implementation of antler restrictions potentially boost the population of mature bucks? I’m aware that several states have adopted this policy. FYI not every buck in Texas is confined to high-fence properties! I own a 3,500-acre ranch in Texas without any high fencing and my neighbors don’t have any either. That said, I would love to install a high fence on my property in Minnesota, where hunters up there shoot whatever they see.

[@HUNTRPOD]

So they only do so much. Get them to 2.5 for sure but beyond that no guarantees. It’s a must for states with high hunting populations, but absolutely can high grade a deer herd if not done right

[@japierce001]

I generally love the content, but parts of this podcast were tough. I hope my comments are considered constructive. One example: “Every deer in TX is in a fence”. Then you settled on 95%. Texas is 172 million acres. In the early 2000’s TPWD reported 4million in high fence. That’s a lot, but it’s less than 2.5%. If that number has now doubled to 5%, you’re still off by 90%. I get the passion and sentiment, and at a base level I share your concerns, but a lot of these points needed more thought/research and less conjecture.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Yep makes sense

[@calebscott1175]

Praying Illinois goes to a draw state, the out of state hunters with leases and who outfit have raised the price of hunting way out of reality for the average guy or family here

[@daveyboy8907]

Outfitting should be illegal..

[@calebscott1175]

@ they’ve got 10s of thousands of acres of the best land locked up and out pay the family trying to lease some ground to hunt 10 fold here in Adams county Illinois.

[@HUNTRPOD]

I’m not anti outfitting by any mean but I’d like to see it regulated more as it very much seems like commercializing hunting is no different than market hunting which nearly caused us to wipe out the white-tailed deer

[@user-tz2dd6nb1i]

That's funny yall are talking about high fencing a place. Right now I have 480 ac i hunt and for the past 5 years we have watched almost every nice 4 year old buck get shot. My friend and I were talking about how nice it would be to fence our place in.

[@HUNTRPOD]

In theory it sounds good but I think how you feel about hunting the deer may change

[@stermcdevitt7011]

I’m from central NY I kinda wish we would become a one buck state

[@HUNTRPOD]

Honestly I didn’t know New York wasn’t! It for sure should…same with Michigan

[@shaewright2123]

PA is definitely starting to do better. I definitely wish they would do away with crossbows for the general public use. Think that’s one of the steps that would now help the majority buck herd reach its next age structure

[@HUNTRPOD]

Unfortunately PA is about opportunity and killing numbers of deer…not quality. But it’s amazing how far the state has come in 20 years

[@jordanhudson5075]

Just hit the east side of the LBC on a mission trying to find Mr. Warren G

[@HUNTRPOD]

Fuck yes dude

[@Mossy-back-blacktail]

They're hydrating the hell out of Washington state's only three-point blocktail unit over the last 10 or 15 years punishing every 1ann 2 year old that has awesome genetics.

[@jerryelliott4447]

I have property in ohio and I do get the fence idea, I have been able to get 3 year olds through so far but I butt up to a amish farm and in 2 weeks we'll have 20 guys running slinging lead and they're pretty good for fence sitting. I'm interested in what your tactics are for your farm in ohio that has amish neighbors?

[@HUNTRPOD]

The unfortunate reality…defensive baiting (yea I know it sounds stupid), and less pressure more cover

[@jerryelliott4447]

@HUNTRPOD the things we do for deer 😂 but that's what I've been doing to with moderate success, I've thought about putting strategic pressure along that border the week prior to gun to kinda disrupt any moment around there but I'd hate to accidentally push them off, the deer are alot smarter then I tend to give them credit for. Is frustrating though with the indiscriminate killing of anything brown with hooves. Appreciate the response and enjoy your podcasts.

[@rance56]

From a record book stand point, can two nieghbors each enclose three sides an leave the shared landline open, qualify as free range. Niether would have their property fully enclosed, but in reality the two properties wood be fully enclosed

[@HUNTRPOD]

Haha man I never thought of that! But I assume that’s a loophole!

[@chuck8586]

57:21 lord yall put a lot of your own ads in this video didnt you? I can fast forward, but lord

[@HUNTRPOD]

Doesn’t seem that many lol

[@jaysermersheim5750]

Your off base, the on base element is cost. #1 taxidermist price and taxidermist seeming to add additional cost on top of the cost. #2 everything that involves the hunting industry cost more and more, for example, arrows, broadheads, bullets. Just the basics to get it done. #3 deer processing, processor, cost way up. #4 cost of tags from any state. Add it all up and the deer hunter numbers go down.

[@chuck8586]

At least in PA the reason for hunter number decline really is the baby boomer generation retiring from hunting.

[@HUNTRPOD]

I think most of those factors thrive off the main which is more hunter days a field a year OR economic impacts like $60 to process a deer doesn’t pay for shit anymore

[@zachniverson8816]

1st off EHD in 2012 last year and this year have had a huge impact on herd numbers. 2nd covid came and everyone got bored and a bunch of new people decided to start hunting that never hunted before or didn't have time too. 3rd rich out of state guys are leasing everything up in places like here in Indiana because a Non-Resident license is cheap like is only 240. 4th outfitter popping up everywhere. My county has one the neighboring county has one and there are a couple in KY that cover the other surrounding counties on top of my county having 3500 public acres the other neighboring county with the outfitter has over 3000 acres of public hunting. South Eastern Indiana is complete trash I've only seen 1 or 2 quality bucks killed so far this year in my county. 5th not all states have a declining number of hunters. I believe some just quit hunting their state and hunts in another. Since the Huff buck was killed and Indiana became #2 on the most Bonners killed behind Wisconsin so there's far more people hunting here in Indiana. 6th it's becoming all about the money. Who has the most is who has access to the best ground

[@martymiller6565]

Jared loves a good goat on a rope, so I get why he thinks hunting inside a fence is a good idea. 😅

[@HUNTRPOD]

lol come on now

[@cbs196]

Have you talked to Rendell Erik this season?

[@HUNTRPOD]

He’s hard to nail down but we will try soon!

[@dixiedoghunts1859]

Hey I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure you can’t bow hunt during the Illinois gun season even if you have a gun tag

[@HUNTRPOD]

Yes you can on private land only

[@rubenvasquez021]

There’s good mature deer everywhere what states need to do make a rule stop shooting spikes and forks

[@HUNTRPOD]

Agree

[@chrisgiller2050]

Iowa cares about their wildlife all these other states care about the money that's the difference.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Iowa is in jeopardy because all the other states are declining

[@HardUpHunterMJG]

Not knowing every word to Regulators should be a criminal act!

[@HUNTRPOD]

Fact

[@HaydenBurton-b5t]

1st comment

[@TheBenwilson123]

“West Virginia is West Virginia” ouch Jeremy ! 😂 Truth tho.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Hahaha sorry. I will say (and I don’t know the reason) I am seeing big deer outside the bowhunting only counties!

[@davidredford3111]

Here's the future bait pile ,sitting in heated hunting shack watching KZbin posted signs saying you shot a monster fair chase the hunting is in trouble

[@HUNTRPOD]

Yea we can’t end up there

[@scottminter4735]

In 30 years nobody will be deer hunting. The young kids have no interest in hunting anymore . The big antler fad will die out.

[@BigPig8747]

Artificial food plots = good hunting Corn pile = cheaters Mental gymnastics

[@HUNTRPOD]

lol I get it…what’s more of a guarantee? Bait piles placed last night for today’s hunt. Can’t do that with seed

[@habakabee]

It’s tit for tat idk what the solution is . If you have standing corn which we’ve all seen the big names go out and brush hog down a section before the hunt. Iowa specifically… Isn’t really much different in my opinion than dumping a bag .

[@rance56]

If ohio made baiting against the law, I wonder if it would have any material impact because there isn’t enough game wardens to enforce. Large amounts of people would continue to bait.

[@HUNTRPOD]

If half obeyed it, it would be a mega change. Public land would immediately get so much better too

[@HarvestOutdoors]

​@@HUNTRPODthey won't. Ask people in states where it has been outlawed (illegal in Michigan since 2019).

[@inthewoods3237]

It’d cost more to fence my land than the land cost me 🙄

[@HUNTRPOD]

Exactly

[@jasontayn7028]

as a crossbow hunter we can take it speak up was not really clear on how we are missing things up

[@HUNTRPOD]

I don’t think you are “messing it up” but the major adoption of crossbows has dramatically increased the number of days afield by the average hunter, and I turn created a larger demand for access (leasing and buying).

[@chuck8586]

1:44:08 there are not 750k archery hunters in pa. There are 350k archery hunters. According to the pgc. Jesus you cant throw around wrong statistics like this.

[@HUNTRPOD]

We didn’t say archery we we saying total hunters in pa

[@chuck8586]

“I think crossbows and cell cameras are the biggest factor for loss of access. It takes a demographic, lets say a million people in Pennsylvania hunted two times a year before. Now there is 750k hunters hunting 10 plus days a field a year. Those people need places to go, that now justifies leases and buying…..” Direct quote from yall. Problem is there are not 750k with 10plus days a field. There are 750k licensed hunters in pa. Only 350k of which are archery hunters and may have a crossbow in their hand outside of rifle season. So only 350k hunters in PA are in the field all season long until they tag out. The other 400k hunters are still only rifle hunters.

[@LoganOrrick]

To me social media and hunting media is killing deer hunting. It has become a money grab. Everyone has a podcast, everyone has an Instagram full of grip and grin pictures. It has become a rich man’s game and a dick measuring contest. All the new gizmos and gadgets and all the technology is making it not enjoyable. I am almost to the point of losing complete interest and have been hunting for over 30 years.

[@HUNTRPOD]

I get it…BUT just take it back a notch yourself. Ditch cell cams, take out a recurve, hunting some big public….all things to bring fun and challenge back

[@LoganOrrick]

@@HUNTRPOD I have ditched the cameras just need a recurve I guess lol

[@talltinefarms]

For the record Texas is not one big high fence. There isn't as much public as other states but you can drive for hours without seeing one. Those are mostly southern and western texas. Also you guys spend alot of time talking like theres a looming deer apocalypse coming. I don't see any of that in the south. You guys are in a area with great midwestern states and the higher populated region of the country right next to each other. Killing big mature deer feels more available than ever just requires little more effort or travel.

[@HUNTRPOD]

The south definitely has a different culture mainly from a population standpoint I think

[@Leatherwoodoutdoors]

Genesis 9:6 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered. Yes, they do have an instinctive fear of humans put there by God.

[@HarvestOutdoors]

You guys should try a call-in Dave Ramsey style "show" during some live sessions. This podcast would have been a great one to get listener input. Are those Good AI results you read on fencing? That doesn't sound language they use for regulation writing. In Michigan, fences greater than 52 inches are required to have a 40 ft. gap for every 660 ft. of fence. I'd bet most states have something like this in place so an individual cannot impede a public resource. It's worth looking into. Baiting has been illegal in Michigan since 2019. Personally, I have seen minimal change. Mounds of carrots, apples and beets are sold all over. I believe those with deep pockets (and they usually have larger properties) are bringing in truckloads of bait at times. It's odd to smell such a strong aroma of sugar beets the weekend before rifle season when they are not grown in our area... I believe the best way to make a change is the one buck rule. We have all seen a 60" 8 point, but if you are allowed just one buck, you are likely to be more particular about what you harvest. There have been numerous posts where guys show a 1.5 year old and say, "Well, now time to go after the big one." There is a huge mentality in Michigan that "I must get a buck" regardless of what it is. Don't let guys do that twice to young deer.

[@KyleMast12]

You know what is also killing LOTS of 3yr olds; pushing hunting to the private sector; and limiting hunter access making for poor experiences……… DRUMROLL…. OUTFITTERS!!

[@HUNTRPOD]

Preach

[@ragingryhino5817]

Crossbows are the problem

[@daveyboy8907]

Cameras kill more deer than crossbows..

[@NickMars-c2j]

It's so funny how ehd is talked about like it's just common place but before 2012 never heard of it Dr Faucci at it again wake up everybody they hate deer and they hate us.

[@HUNTRPOD]

I’ve seen EHD since 2007 in the south but they didn’t all die in fact most lived

[@inthewoods3237]

I really don’t even understand what you’re talking about? My area in Ohio is better than it’s ever been.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Shhhhhhh 😂

[@chrisgiller2050]

The people your are talking about.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Who?

[@jasonlarson6932]

Ehd cwd. Nope it will be hunter access leasing and cost. You guys yourselves lease land in other states. Money tends to always ruin something good. Baiting as well. It has changed deer patterns exponentially. Crossbows as well.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Yes leasing is a major one we have been discussing. In an upcoming episode we talk about how if they weren’t a business write off they’d dramatically decrease

[@ryanfarmer5155]

Missouri needs to go to a point system also for NR

[@HUNTRPOD]

They won’t do it…lower hanging fruit. Why not go to a one buck state?

[@ryanfarmer5155]

@@HUNTRPOD or that too, would be fine! Move gun date back also.

[@chrisgiller2050]

Going to be a richman sport they're gonna take away all the opportunity to average guy

[@buckydoedowner9040]

Thank the lord above, im sure he sent you two down here to save hunting with all your non factual opinions. lol

[@HUNTRPOD]

Are you going to do it??? Nope

[@buckydoedowner9040]

@@HUNTRPOD I dont need to, the state is doing a fine job no matter what a couple leasing out of staters think.

[@Crayz919]

Deer hunting should be CROSSBOW (ONLY ) ...

[@HUNTRPOD]

😂 I don’t think so…

[@scottminter4735]

Everybody wants big antlers. It's unrealistic for most hunters. It's ruining the sport.

[@chrisgiller2050]

Oklahoma, you can now they pass the law to reintroduce. Certain genetics to fight HD and c. W. D.

[@jdmcnugent6808]

Like the podcast.. but man Jared is so annoying. STOP INTERRUPTING AND PUT The PHONE DOWN!

[@HUNTRPOD]

Our bad didn’t think it was that bad

[@DixieNormus_007]

Ideally, we take some of the technology away to make future hunting better. But humans are greedy and lazy, so it probably won't happen. I'd take away turret scopes long-range shooting systems. ln the West its getting ridiculous with 1,000 yard plus shots. No cell cameras, no rut hunts with scoped rifles (only primitive muzzleloader and archery), no crossbows in archery season, limit non-resident tags, no baiting (food plots included). That's a start of what l would do. A lot of this applies to the West. I'm not sure what's going on in the East.

[@daveyboy8907]

What a name..lol

[@HUNTRPOD]

Well thought out…name and comment 😂