The Future of MG: Geneva Motor Show 2024 (MG9, MGS9, IM L6)

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The future is looking very bright for MG as SAIC motor company look to align their brands for the European market under one name... MG. With numerous new products being launched at the Geneva Motor Show 2024, Miles is here to give you a run down of all that was unveiled along with all the details we know so far. We have already covered the New MG3 launch, click the link below to check out that video.
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0:00 Intro
0:35 MG9: Introduction
1:16 MG9: Specifications
2:01 MG9: Design
2:37 MG9: Interior
3:35 MG9: Est. Price
4:10 MGS9: Introduction
4:29 MGS9: Specifications
4:55 MGS9: Interior
5:35 MGS9: Est. Price
5:54 IM Brand
6:30 IM L6: Introduction
6:39 IM L6: Specifications
6:55 IM L6: Solid State Battery
7:57 IM L6: Est. Date in Europe
8:05 IM L6: Est. Price
8:14 IM L6: Specifications
9:20 IM LS6
9:30 Outro
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@ISuperTed
@ISuperTed 3 ай бұрын
MG3 sized EV with 250 miles of range about £20k would be a monster seller.
@andreasl4507
@andreasl4507 2 ай бұрын
Not really. A verry ugly car china trash brand. Disgusting for sure.
@ecoflex
@ecoflex 2 ай бұрын
Only if you send £1000 on a home charger 77 p at shell 7p on a ev tariff it doesn’t make sense
@JimT-RCT
@JimT-RCT 2 ай бұрын
@@ecoflex not forgetting the free electricity from the solar on the roof of course, or the 7.5p/kWh that you can get from your energy provider. If going EV, it makes sense to sort everything out alongside the EV as well.
@sargfowler9603
@sargfowler9603 3 ай бұрын
Exciting news! Looking forward to some of these appearing in the UK. From the specifications and looks, it appears MG is giving EV users what they want in a car rather than the "Tesla vision" devoid of indicators, controls, switches, etc.
@andreasl4507
@andreasl4507 2 ай бұрын
Geek
@Scuba72Chris
@Scuba72Chris 2 ай бұрын
The obsession with screens in cars needs to die.
@UnderWarranty
@UnderWarranty 2 ай бұрын
Everything about these cars is designed to distract you from driving haha
@DwainDwight
@DwainDwight 2 ай бұрын
MG9 looks fantastic. cool!!
@gaz7560
@gaz7560 2 ай бұрын
That MG9 is very nice
@YSKWatch
@YSKWatch 3 ай бұрын
the MOSFET battery is interesting, it's not using capacitor but transistor to store the electricity. because of no liquid, hopefully it can handle environment colder than -25c.
@jamesnicholl8016
@jamesnicholl8016 3 ай бұрын
Miles, MG need to be brave and bring the 9 models to the UK, i would get one tomorrow. They should sell the IM as an MG sub-brand as the styling isnt a match for the MG range.
@andreasl4507
@andreasl4507 2 ай бұрын
Okey qay head
@robinsonshawqx
@robinsonshawqx 2 ай бұрын
The IM L7 is actually a fantastic driving machine for its horsepower and tuning. It's got a very impressive turning radius due to its rear wheel steering.
@jimporter
@jimporter 2 ай бұрын
The battery swap tech is not really a thing for refuelling but it does mean that battery replacement becomes a thing therefore makes the car more sensible on second hand market
@trailmunki4546
@trailmunki4546 3 ай бұрын
These would be a fantastic addition for UK roads. Look forward to getting one if they come to the UK
@josephberrie9550
@josephberrie9550 2 ай бұрын
learn to spell addition first
@lizziesharks1
@lizziesharks1 3 ай бұрын
Would love to see all of these, badged as MG’s, in UK showrooms soon.
@DuRoehre90210
@DuRoehre90210 Ай бұрын
Mercedes should keep on eye on this. The look of the interior looks very very familiar, one could think of sitting in an EQE.
@manyman12
@manyman12 3 ай бұрын
Great video Miles, the IM stuff looks amazing
@potter2702
@potter2702 3 ай бұрын
Great video miles, very exciting times to come, I love my ZSEV MK2 and would defo consider another MG
@fenegroni
@fenegroni 2 ай бұрын
Excellent video, concise summary, detailed info and engaging 👍
@peterparker9997
@peterparker9997 3 ай бұрын
We definitely live in interesting times with regard to EV technology. The European car manufacturers really need to pull their fingers out of the ICE cars and step up their game with EV offerings or they won't survive into the next decade. Great looking potential MG models.
@GolLeeMe
@GolLeeMe 3 ай бұрын
These vehicles have a place, and those who can afford them will most likely buy in. A lot of tech and serious levels of quality materials by the looks of it. I had hoped MG might try a smaller version first (say MG3 size) with a 40kWh battery pack for urban use, as thats where the immediate future seems to be taking us. Where are the budget/bargain EVs? It seems that to be profitable - go large, IMO. The clock is ticking for disrupters. I like the Nio battery swapping capability, and I am assuming this is where SAIC might have an agreement to use those facilities and swapping capability. Every Vid I have seen would suggest it takes about 8-10 minutes to swap out a battery. So, perhaps they have speed up the system somewhat.
@ChorleyGroup
@ChorleyGroup 3 ай бұрын
MG2 EV is reported to be in development
@videostarish
@videostarish 2 ай бұрын
An MG4 Xpower estate,with the solid-state batteries, roof rails, no pano/sunroof, no 'sticky-up/out displays', & NO lane-keep/driver assist! (If you need them, you shouldn't be driving!)... 🤔
@WonkoTheSaneUK
@WonkoTheSaneUK 2 ай бұрын
Sadly for your fantasy wishlist, lane keeping was invented in 2004, and has been a EuroNCAP requirement since 2018.
@videostarish
@videostarish 2 ай бұрын
@@WonkoTheSaneUK Yea...☹️ dang..!
@shaunwalsh6354
@shaunwalsh6354 3 ай бұрын
Yes I would love to see these at an MG dealership, providing the software is greatly improved from my MG4, and over the air updates should be provided.
@don-qb4xb
@don-qb4xb 3 ай бұрын
Hard to argue with that. The software on the MG4 is shockingly bad.
@garyallsopp6369
@garyallsopp6369 3 ай бұрын
​@@don-qb4xbYou should try my Enyaq it's derisory!
@gordonchallinor9156
@gordonchallinor9156 3 ай бұрын
WOW!!!!!
@ohyesitsme
@ohyesitsme 3 ай бұрын
Might consider MG if they were built here in the UK.
@ChorleyGroup
@ChorleyGroup 3 ай бұрын
MG are in negotiations to create a vehicle factory in Europe
@mikezhang2351
@mikezhang2351 3 ай бұрын
​@@ChorleyGroupUK is not europe. right?😢
@ChorleyGroup
@ChorleyGroup 3 ай бұрын
They may build one in UK, that's part of Europe (Continent), but not EU.
@garyallsopp6369
@garyallsopp6369 3 ай бұрын
They need an EU battery plant and a UK assembly plant. It would help with both heritage and country of origin rules.
@davidcolin6519
@davidcolin6519 3 ай бұрын
Highly unlikely to build in the UK, thanks to Brexit. There's a CATL battery plant being built in Hungary IIRC, and an IM/MG plant would almost certainly be built somewhere like that. Considering the instability in Eastern Europe as a result of Putin being a grade 1 turd, I would expect any building work to be on the back burner until that is resolved, or maybe build it somewhere far enough away from Ukraine for that not to be a problem. Moldova perhaps? Maybe Albania? The probles with such a move would be that those countries hardly have any of the infrastucture necessary for automaking.
@UnderWarranty
@UnderWarranty 2 ай бұрын
Shame they don't make petrol versions of these cars, people that don't care what powers it will have to pay a lot more for a car just because it is electric.
@metricstormtrooper
@metricstormtrooper 2 ай бұрын
Chinese being Chinese, saic would have designed for right hand drive right from the start. I'm looking forward to saic to sell the baojun/Wuling Cloud to Australia and they are doing in India. I've got the $ waiting when they do.
@gohumberto
@gohumberto 2 ай бұрын
Solid State batteries will be game-changing. I have an old Nissan Leaf (30kwhr). I'm hanging on to it for another couple of years , to see where technology takes us. I have a feeling that 300 miles will become a fairly standard range soon.
@rtfazeberdee3519
@rtfazeberdee3519 3 ай бұрын
How is the MG9 a hatchback if the panoramic roof goes all the way down to the tailgate? Would be nice if it was as its a great looking car
@ChorleyGroup
@ChorleyGroup 3 ай бұрын
MG9 is a hatchback - boot opening shown on the excellent Nevo EV Review Ireland video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmW8oYmKgcSisNUsi=Sn46HDQZfz_wLHy9&t=305
@rtfazeberdee3519
@rtfazeberdee3519 3 ай бұрын
@@ChorleyGroup thats great, thanks. definitely one to put on the list
@marvinsamuels1237
@marvinsamuels1237 3 ай бұрын
Another really informative video, thank you. These potential models will give potential buyers so much more choice and better value for money too. It's great to see the potential models that could be on sale with a MG badge. Things are getting better all the time.
@ecoflex
@ecoflex 2 ай бұрын
Yes agree but solar is too expensive over £7000 so pay back is impossible no point changing unless you are in a new build
@richardrouse358
@richardrouse358 2 ай бұрын
As a VW Arteon owner, I really like the idea of the MG 9 as my first EV. My only concern about all the Chinese manufacturers, including MG, is parts availability in the UK, both in terms of maintenance and also because of the impact on insurance groupings.
@JimT-RCT
@JimT-RCT 2 ай бұрын
I do worry about all the computer stuff in these cars. I have a 6-year-old PC that was built to the highest specs, and it is now redundant, I can't even load Windows 11 on it now. How are car computers going to work in 15 years time?
@wintersun398
@wintersun398 2 ай бұрын
Was there a MG4 estate?
@UKMike2009
@UKMike2009 2 ай бұрын
MG/SAIC have come such a long way. I had a "new ZS" for 4 years, but these EV models are on another planet. Attractive designs that should be making the German brands (and Tesla) quake in their shoes.
@Grant.G.Simpson
@Grant.G.Simpson 2 ай бұрын
put me down for one of those IML6 please, big battery, 4wd, thanks.
@metricstormtrooper
@metricstormtrooper 2 ай бұрын
Its funny how brits use mm for measurements but cling to Miles for distance and speed.
@milanstokrp9387
@milanstokrp9387 2 ай бұрын
Like!
@davidcolin6519
@davidcolin6519 3 ай бұрын
I'd be very surprised if they can sell the L9 for that sort of money, more likely closer to 70K-80K. Lovely to see you literally speechless. That L6 would be very tempting at that price, pity it's not a hatchback. I know that the LS6 is a hatch, but it's also a damned SUVnd I simply refuse to go that route. I see that there's still no confirmation of an estate MG4, though it is reputedly going to be a replacement for the current MG5. I'm torn between the estate 4 (reasonably priced) and an MG 9 or even im L6. If the L6 was a hatch, t'd be a no-brainer. Ijust do not understand why everybody who wants to produce a competitor for the model 3 has to produce a saloon, not a hatch, it's baffling. Give me model 3 that is a hatch and nothing to do with Elon Musk, and you've got a sale, currently the only one that does it is the iD5(?), and that is no competition for a model 3 IMO.
@kangkaizhang7329
@kangkaizhang7329 3 ай бұрын
But L6 is actually a hatchback like ModelS
@davidcolin6519
@davidcolin6519 3 ай бұрын
@@kangkaizhang7329 My apologies, I was thinking of the L7 which is, I believe, the saloon version of the L6 (but not as pretty IMO). I've not seen any interiors of the L6 as apparently it was not viewable at Geneva. One must hope that it is similar to the L7. I really think that it is astonishing how far the Chinese brands have come in such a short time, and MG just seems to be getting better and better.
@josephberrie9550
@josephberrie9550 2 ай бұрын
so can you rock up with a ten year old battery and drive off with a new one or vice versa
@lluow
@lluow 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, so there’s a new way of owning a vehicle. You buy an EV without a battery and then lease the battery from the manufacturer. You’ll always have a fresh battery. A Chinese brand called NEO is experimenting on this.
@markwilliamson9027
@markwilliamson9027 3 ай бұрын
I think MG need a Renault 5 Fiat 500 ev competitor
@ChorleyGroup
@ChorleyGroup 3 ай бұрын
MG2 is reportedly on the way...
@alexanderthompson2684
@alexanderthompson2684 2 ай бұрын
I sure love to see these cars come to Britain under the MG badge, they look great!!
@johncrispin2118
@johncrispin2118 3 ай бұрын
Thanks nice presentation interesting indeed. My lil’ol MG4 is Michael mouse innit !. What the hell are they up to with a hybrid ??? pandering to the doubters I guess. We Struggled to afford the MG4 SE and these Tesla and Audi beaters well … look great but can’t afford em never will, nor any normal people. Tesla bringing out a sub £25 k model so are they heading in the wrong direction ?
@ChorleyGroup
@ChorleyGroup 3 ай бұрын
There is a MG2 in the works too!
@davidcolin6519
@davidcolin6519 3 ай бұрын
Tesla (or rather Elon Musk) have a very, very long history of promising what the audience want to hear, and then "launching" shockingly late, and not going into production for even longer. The CyberTruck was "Launched" in 2017 (I believe) and they only started deliveries this year, and even then the prices are way, way more than they were originally quoting, and much of the hype surrounding the specs on it was quietly forgotten. Elon Musk/Tesla seem to be the automotive equivalent of The Tory party.
@xenasloan6859
@xenasloan6859 3 ай бұрын
maybe let us see it for a bit longer rather than looking at you?
@petergreene1903
@petergreene1903 2 ай бұрын
Anything on towing capacity for the new MGs for those of us that tow caravans? The longer range batteries make them an attractive option when towing, but we need to see braked towing capacities, hopefully 1600 kg plus. Thanks.
@Tim_Kent
@Tim_Kent 3 ай бұрын
The interior of the Roewe F7 fastback looks luxurious, rather like a Rover. Did the Rover brand end up being owned by Jaguar Landrover?
@ChorleyGroup
@ChorleyGroup 3 ай бұрын
No, the Rover brand was sold off to a Chinese firm, which ended up being called Roewe, and later part of SAIC.
@eamoneejit7482
@eamoneejit7482 3 ай бұрын
@@ChorleyGroupI think he means the rights to the brand name “Rover” which is indeed owned by JLR, to ensure the continued use of their Land-Rover name. Can’t remember if it had been retained by BMW or Ford though, but whichever sold it on.
@garyallsopp6369
@garyallsopp6369 3 ай бұрын
BMW then Ford, now Jaguar-Land-Rover.
@guyosborne2696
@guyosborne2696 2 ай бұрын
Spoke with a UK based MG employee at the weekend (just back from China) who advised that they plan to flood the European market with MG branded vehicles in the coming couple of years.
@michals1108
@michals1108 2 ай бұрын
I think we dont need another 50k ev, we need something cheaper
@autodigitvlogs
@autodigitvlogs 2 ай бұрын
Battery's swappable 😂
@mrgee918
@mrgee918 3 ай бұрын
Wow wee! Amazing!! Mg4 to these. Wtf. These are the cars we've been waiting for. If they badge these as MG they will destroy the competition. You dealers need to let Saic know. If they don't come to the UK, I'll move to China😂
@mrdylaninthebox
@mrdylaninthebox 3 ай бұрын
It really looks decent, this model starts from 25k usd in China,quite good price.
@paulb1951
@paulb1951 3 ай бұрын
Owned by an oppressive regime. I’ll pass 🙄
@leecooper8589
@leecooper8589 2 ай бұрын
Staying absolutely true to the "heritage" of the brand with the badge engineering.
@jestronixhanderson9898
@jestronixhanderson9898 3 ай бұрын
I hope the steering wheel vibrates on the highway like the xpower.
@autodigitvlogs
@autodigitvlogs 2 ай бұрын
LS6 SUV not confirmed?
@MrGanbat84
@MrGanbat84 3 ай бұрын
BYD and MG are best quality cars in this show
@RichieAustinMagician
@RichieAustinMagician 2 ай бұрын
Finally Solid state batteries are happening this has been in the works for a long time is this the first car to have SS battery ?
@lamderek427
@lamderek427 2 ай бұрын
IM is interesting
@Airbag888
@Airbag888 2 ай бұрын
They did a home run with MG4... hoping they deliver quality vehicles with the MG9 and others.. That charging time is just bonkers though
@tommyjakobsen5504
@tommyjakobsen5504 3 ай бұрын
MG9 has same problem like Tesla 3, the trunk is a small opening.. NOT a HatchBack, and the chiniese forget in europa its very normal with a Towbar, I bet that luxus liner MG9 dosn´t have what we in europa want. just another learn to leve with car.. and proberly to expensive to normale people to
@ChorleyGroup
@ChorleyGroup 3 ай бұрын
MG9 is a hatchback - boot opening shown on the excellent Nevo EV Review Ireland video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmW8oYmKgcSisNUsi=Sn46HDQZfz_wLHy9&t=305
@jansenwilder1335
@jansenwilder1335 2 ай бұрын
The interior is way better designed against Tesla.. the dashboard alone is what an EV needs.. since the Marvel R was released by MG..these new range will change the EV market in 2024/25... Great design 👌
@balkanleopard9728
@balkanleopard9728 3 ай бұрын
It seems that MG may be straying away from its core concept of good fun, lower priced motoring - but if they can get the right spread of value for money quality products at different price points it would make them a real force. Five metres long is a bit too long though in my book (or garage).
@simonwhitcombe841
@simonwhitcombe841 3 ай бұрын
They need to be £30k or below
@garyallsopp6369
@garyallsopp6369 3 ай бұрын
Not a fan of the IM look; a bit bland, dated and doesn't fit with the current MG styling and are in danger of confusing the brand identity. Spec looks awesome though - Maybe they should think about using one of the other British brands SAIC owns; Austin, Morris, Wolesly or Vanden Plas perhaps.
@rataplan2997
@rataplan2997 3 ай бұрын
NIO CAN EASILY SUE THEM FOR MG9... 10000% COPY OF ET7
@andrewdyson4255
@andrewdyson4255 3 ай бұрын
Love them to come to UK but think they may be a bit fast for the ordinary Joe Public ?
@ukman9797
@ukman9797 2 ай бұрын
Never forget that MG stands for Morris Garages with it's heritage in Cowley, England. SAIC, made false promises to to the British motor industry. They promised to invest, yet they took the British brands back to China and shut down motor manufacturing in the UK. Go snd look, longbridge snd cowley are housing estates. Do t buy them. They are dining out on a British brand and British jobs.
@RayTeggie-er7pb
@RayTeggie-er7pb 2 ай бұрын
MG in name only, just a chinese e.v nothing more
@milanstokrp9387
@milanstokrp9387 2 ай бұрын
Like Apple.
@user-uw6mb7eh8i
@user-uw6mb7eh8i 2 ай бұрын
This car is very competitive, but it doesn‘t sell well, cuz SAIC is trying to build a new brand called Rising Auto, Its market position is lower than IM but higher than ROEWE , the MG 9 in China has been named FEIFAN F7 since 2023. China have so many great EVs. Handling another 2 new EV brands (I mean Rising Auto & IM, neither of them are extremely low-price ) ? HA, SAIC is too confident. Hope the Europe market will save this car, cuz I really like this sedan. My last car is BYD Han, I was ready to buy MG 9 (F7) in 2023. Because of the Rising Auto brand's bad market performance ,I bought a GEELY Galaxy E8 this year. Again, this car is good, though.
@SKyet2023
@SKyet2023 2 ай бұрын
这车在中国卖得很差😂
@michaelstanley3961
@michaelstanley3961 3 ай бұрын
Mmmm MG. They were crap in the past, lets see what the Chinese versions are like in about 10 years...........enjoy
@famouschappi
@famouschappi 2 ай бұрын
I remember my mother's red MGBGT with an overdrive switch on the gear stick and a choke!
@CynicalLemonade
@CynicalLemonade 2 ай бұрын
Owned many MGs in your time, have you?
@norwegianzound
@norwegianzound 2 ай бұрын
Why is an English man interested in a Chinese company. It's gone guys.
@famouschappi
@famouschappi 2 ай бұрын
It is a Car channel, not a mad Tory tug-my-hat and Ian someone-stole-my-biscuits ranting political screaming we are being spied on channel. It all too tiring.
@andyb2515
@andyb2515 3 ай бұрын
But they are Chinese!!!!!
@SNORKYMEDIA
@SNORKYMEDIA 2 ай бұрын
So what ..? So is your phone and all the "British" stuff you buy
@andyb2515
@andyb2515 2 ай бұрын
@@SNORKYMEDIA Unfortunately true. thats why avoid chinese rubbish
@richardstamper5630
@richardstamper5630 2 ай бұрын
Sorry but MG is an English brand, not a Chinese brand so however it's dressed up it's a Chinese car and I don't want one thanks.
@ecoflex
@ecoflex 3 ай бұрын
Still chinese car no resale value junk
@ChorleyGroup
@ChorleyGroup 3 ай бұрын
MG have been selling cars in the UK for many years (under the SAIC ownership), and Chorley Group have been dealers since 2017. We've not had any problems with resale of used MGs at all.
@ecoflex
@ecoflex 3 ай бұрын
@@ChorleyGroup wouldn’t have one for free they are a d brand to be honest Audi Mercedes bmw Porsche all German Chinese cars are cheap and have low residuals
@davidcolin6519
@davidcolin6519 3 ай бұрын
@@ecoflex You're the fool then, not the people buying Chinese EVs. Just because the UK economy has been virtually shut down by the tone deaf government doesn't mean that other markets are in a similar situation. I don't live in the UK, but in the EU and have seen absolutely NO evidence of Chinese cars having no resale value. I think that you are confusing local trends (UK) for general trends (residuals across the board). I often wish that residents of the UK could open their eyes to how dreadful their country has become, then I realise that the sunlit uplands and rainbow-farting unicorns were very real objectives for 52% of the population of the UK, so that's another impossible pipe dream.
@ecoflex
@ecoflex 3 ай бұрын
@@davidcolin6519 Chinese cars are crap end of story no resale value and the economic bubble can only export to none eu USA countries soon enough they are pieces of junk no brand history just rubbish always will be
@dzonikg
@dzonikg 2 ай бұрын
@@ecoflex Are you joking German car resale value ,you can buy 15 year old BMW Series 7 for 1/30 off original price
@laokkkwww
@laokkkwww 3 ай бұрын
if u buy a chinese ,more Russian weapon in the world
@davidcolin6519
@davidcolin6519 3 ай бұрын
Possibly, but China is making Putin pay through the nose for every weapon he buys. And Putin running through his foreign exchange funds is precisely what Ukraine needs.
@AndrewLambert-wi8et
@AndrewLambert-wi8et 2 ай бұрын
THEY "STOLE" THE DESIGNS FROM ROVER.
@WonkoTheSaneUK
@WonkoTheSaneUK 2 ай бұрын
No. They bought the badge from Rover's bankruptcy sale. That's all. The designs have nothing to do with Rover.
@EmmanuelJotterand
@EmmanuelJotterand 2 ай бұрын
They all use Christopher Edward Bangle inventions, made with EJFJ Corporation PSC... Rover was not alone, BMW Group did help them a lot, but they were hacked by others brands... Chinese had to buy them to make them exist better...
@rcajavus8141
@rcajavus8141 2 ай бұрын
i ordered yesterday Opel Mokka e LOADED brand new for 19900 euros in Croatia after government subsidy. I was thinking MG4 but where do i buy a replacement windshield or light or bumper? MG is new brand and there are no second hand cars or parts or service support. I will never pay more for less, mg offers less and cars do look nice but just 2 weeks ago infront of local Lidl shop a woman in brand new ZS cant close rear doors because something went kuku and she had a kid in child seats annd both doors cant be shut. woman stuck with working car on parking because of what kind of problem? did anyone ever had something like that on any car model, brand? rear doors just refuse to latch and close!? and that is just marginally cheaper than legacy auto makers with service networks and millions of previous customers? mg should get real, lower prices literally about 25% and then people will "risk". just when KIA or Hyundai came, they GAVE MORE fur MUCH LESS money than competition, people tried, like it and now they are legacy car brands. MG is just an chinese "experiment" perhaps they shut down in 6 months, who knows!? any guarantee they will not shut down in 6 months?
@ellisrochlin2267
@ellisrochlin2267 14 күн бұрын
0-60 in 3 something seconds , MENTAL , boy racer dreams . Seems each chinese brand is having a go at a tesla like challenger . Just like levis jeans others eventually came along and produced a decent jean for a third to a half less. Everyone remembers the famous jean brand but when was the last time you went out to buy a pair of levis , just saying
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