The Future of Path of Exile 1 was just revealed

tl;dw - new PoE1 league hasn't even begun development xdd
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[@Woolie]

I want to reiterate that I am excited for PoE2 and do, ultimately, trust that GGG will make it the best ARPG to their abilities. however, actions speak louder than words and, after 12 years of PoE & GGG, I know that this is ABSOLUTELY one of those situations...

[@eshannumin]

Not surprised, but ready to vomit over the plethora of comments saying they are "transparent and honest." They are flat out liars. He even lied in that video. There was no widespread understanding that the 3.26 league was coming out any later than January (per their announcements.) They have hit Blizzard status. They just lie and change things that are core to the game (kalandra loot overhaul with no patch notes) and this is just the nail in the coffin. POE2 sucks. It is a watered down, intentionally slower and crappier crafting POE1. Everyone I played POE1 with has dropped POE2 like a sack of bricks. It's literally POE1 except they went backwards on map design, crafting, minions, defenses balance. It's dog shit.

[@enzo107]

@@eshannumin This is the absolute truth of the things. Praise

[@habitat91]

@@eshannumin Must be reading different things then. I read on their website that late January was the plan but they will have to be flexible on it. So really, January was a soft goal. "After many days of internal discussions, we made the decision to not launch the 3.26 expansion for Path of Exile 1 this year. We’re looking to announce this new league in early 2025 (think late January) however we have to remain flexible with this window as releasing an entirely new project can come with challenges that we cannot predict." weird...

[@javelinwounds]

Don't worry, the crazies love making stuff up in their heads to justify their victimhood ​@@habitat91

[@powxile5864]

i'll never play poe 2, i hope they go bankrupt.

[@StarPhoenix960]

"The Future of Path of Exile 1 was just revealed" .... so Basically the future is....... that there is no future ?? Lol

[@Chritter]

Yup

[@senjusan6359]

There is future, stop this nonsense. At the moment they need to focus on PoE 2 but you all drama queens with no real life and too much Reddit love to exaggerate everything out of proportions

[@StarPhoenix960]

@ go back to PoE 2 nobody called u

[@Brosiff69]

​@@senjusan6359 PoE2 aint gonna sleep with you my guy, lots of people know how corpo's do things and guessing they will do the same thing is not really "nonsense" I would say by far trusting businesses is nonsense but you can hope for them doing better.

[@zanaer2919]

0.2 will have problems too = another delay

[@ricken21]

Exactly, if 0.2 would be as massive update as people or GGG hopes it will be, it will inevitably also introduce a massive amount of new bugs and problems (as you would expect really from a beta stage), so this could be a neverending cycle until the game comes out of beta.

[@Dukefist]

which means you won't see a new PoE 1 league anytime soon if at all.

[@WesternHypernormalization]

Seems likely 💀

[@gaborvoros2303]

@@ricken21 sad reality they are in New Zeland, and they want to the worker live there where they can watch them. So they have a limited work force so they can't hire another 40 people for poe2. Everyone who watched the open work listing from GGG already knowed they can't keep up with both games developing.

[@Cracks094]

I can wholeheartedly understand that GGG's focus is entirely on PoE2 - it's a good game but needs much, much, much more work than they anticipated. Yet at the same time I cannot help but be incredibly disappointed. I was really looking forward to jump back into PoE1 and play a new league, after all they promised PoE1 wouldn't suffer and be neglected by the sequel. Half a year ago I would've absolutely trusted and believed GGG when they stated they overwhelmed themselves with ambition, now i'm not so sure anymore if this isn't just a coverup, that they were planning to let PoE1 die off from the very beginning. Here's hoping 0.2 for PoE2 isn't gonna take another 6 months. I really, really, really don't want to wait a couple of years to play my favorite game again.

[@zburd94]

good game? you clearly havent played much.. the game has seen 100 broken builds with bugged interactions and 5 dupe methods... this shit never happens in poe 1

[@Cracks094]

@@zburd94 it IS a good game, it's just not "PoE enough" - if it had any other name people would praise the EA to high heaven.

[@dIggl3r]

I don't care about his promise: they keep telling us "this will go that way at this specific time" and they can't deliver over and over. *F*

[@1273dave]

then dont play

[@practic4l349]

@@1273dave looks like that's what we'll be doing from now on. The next poe1 league (if they even consider releasing it) will be most likely dead due to how late it is.

[@Zevox144]

@@practic4l349 which is sad because then tourists will just take that as poe2 somehow being better instead of it being due to complete shitass management.

[@modestpixel4686]

I was not surprised, but the amount of people were telling me they have 2 different teams that work separately for two games... man, so naive 😅

[@omega4223]

Now just grow a long wizard beard mr woojie to become the Wise Woojie

[@pelleas9091]

Wisdom is not in the length of one's beard, but in the Strike of one's Mace.

[@balazsfenyes3880]

-This is madness -Noooo.... This is Jonathan Rogers from Grinding Gear Games. 'We want to keep the promise, but it's not our priority'

[@ZawaOnYoutube]

Insane they would even say this. The only priority they should have above all else are their promises.

[@Huckle777]

Yea fr, kinda spittin here. If they fix a couple issues with poe 1 (cough t17s) and just do legacy leagues every once in a while, I dont think anyone would really complain tbh

[@UrosV]

Lmaoooooooooo

[@Seals619]

Clown

[@oskartu12]

Thats too much of dev time, they are still indie company at heart and have bad time managing people

[@Huckle777]

@ I bet it would take 1 guy literally a single afternoon to roll out an old league. Maybe 2 if they cooked up some new challenges. Like let's be realistic for a sec lmfao.

[@calvinwilson3617]

People are still coping thinking that they will someday return to poe1. They're never going back. They pulled everyone off for 7+ months and they have no plan to return those resources. They have a vague plan to try to return resources when they dont need them. But then they'll claim they need to push out 0.3 The problem here is they're lying so they can get poe1 player's money

[@hypersleep9336]

i dont even care about it being delayed, its that theres no guarantee for the date AND that john flatout said they arent working on it. i feel crushed and theres no other way around it

[@FilipVucurovic]

i hope we get private servers when poe1 gets shut down , and that the community will work on the leagues

[@rotony1]

I'm not surprised, I'm very disappointed because we lost a very good game for nothing. Well money talks in the end.

[@Cantstop991]

Totally agree. I think GGG is discovering in real time that they can't operate 2 separate live service games. We'll get 3.26 (probably in the summer) and then updates will get slower and slower until they pull everyone to PoE2. It's sad considering how much more I enjoy PoE than PoE2 (the endgame/crafting is a night and day difference) but it seems inevitable.

[@andnack1]

Of course the end game crafting is a night and day difference. One game has been out for a decade and the other is in early access.

[@dresmyy754]

@@andnack1 nah like fr idk why people dont think about this its ridiculous

[@HardStuckinGold]

Brother. The endgame in POE 2 was something they had to cook up very quickly in 6 months. while POE 1’s endgame has had a decades worth of development. Did you not watch the interviews? GGG is not happy with the current state of crafting in POE 2 as well and are doing everything they can to make it better

[@mystx5358]

​@@HardStuckinGold Are they? When i watched that last podcast they didn't exactly understand what's wrong with crafting and how to fix it and said that it will fix itself overtime, lol. And best what they could do is slightly buff rarity of items in expedition vendors (was garbage, still garbage).

[@Zevox144]

@@HardStuckinGold Poe 2 isn't just some fresh start with brand new devs backing it. If poe1 has had a decade to fix its shit, poe2 gets no excuses for fucking up on some of the basic aspects it has, because it's got a decade of trial and error behind it.

[@tophb9855]

Grim Dawn's 3rd expansion and Titan Quest 2 coming out this year, fellow ARPG fans.

[@ZawaOnYoutube]

Last Epoch season 2 soon as well. Maybe Torchlight Infinite has something going on 😂

[@angrywoodbooger3353]

you need to do the player retention based on percentages...the fall off is the same. POE2 just started with a higher base number, 75% of the players have still dipped out by now and their little announcement isnt going to have anybody running back anytime soon

[@dekina1198]

I personally don't really like poe2... It is a great game, no doubt. But just not my cup of tea. I prefere PoE1 by miles. I am not surprised by this announcement, but dissapointed. Settles comes close to halve a year now and all we got was necrosettlers in the mean time :/

[@anongeneralpublic]

except poe 2 is not a great game. the only good thing about poe2 are the graphics. the actual gameplay is poe 1 with all the parts that made that game uberable amplified x 100 there are : the flask well, the most awful map layouts that were consciously made with 99 different dead ends, rares with some dumb modifiers like mana siphon, more on death effects, more screen clutter, removal of portals and with it huge problems with coop, trade website is back! again wtf in 2024!, no useful loot is ever dropping so you must use trade unless you play this game 24/7 I could go on describing why poe 2 is trash but I'll stop here. the really sad part poe 2 will not get better because all of the above are conscious development decision aka "the vision" to keep all players grinding for even longer than in poe 1 and that game is the grindiest game I have ever played. fun is not part of the equation here its the inflation of playtime.

[@Seals619]

I agree that PoE 1 is probably done after a year or two. I just wish they would have been more transparent about their switch. It would have hurt a lot of the community, but I think they would do better in general in the long run if they did.

[@trickshaw]

Because if they did, and POE2 flopped, they’d look like morons. It’s better to apologize than ask for permission.

[@Salty_Bagel]

I mean it’s true they would be insane not to prioritize path of exile 2 development after its financial success thus far

[@skrishna3]

The main reason for POE 2's financial success if POE 1 players. So it's insane that they would forget what got them here to focus on something else.

[@Salty_Bagel]

@ that’s objectively untrue otherwise Poe 1 would have been as equally successful. I love Poe 1 and actually prefer most aspects of it but I can understand focusing on the next game. The only reason it’s taken so long to get a fully realized Poe 2 is the fact that they have consistently maintained Poe 1 the entire time they’ve been developing poe2. We should be glad they maintained it for as long as they have tbh. Most devs don’t do things like that

[@JJroks543]

@@skrishna3More players played PoE2 on launch than PoE1 has ever even had at its peak, hate the game or not you cannot cope like this and deny how successful it has been.

[@hoffuajoshman6122]

@@skrishna3 That makes no sense, why does poe 2 have more players than poe 1 ever had if thats the case.

[@1273dave]

@@skrishna3 no that is not true poe1 players were not the masses that play the game. Poe1 does not have near the player base that poe2 has.

[@PitH0und]

POE2 is garbage and not the game I invested in over all these years. GGG lied to your faces and then stabbed you in the back. All the people saying this is anything but a betrayal are pathetic.

[@jasonator53]

I think there are a few possible outcomes here: - They realize (as wooj said) that maintaining POE1 and 2 is too big of a task and POE1 is put into an official "maintenance" mode, similar to Diablo 3 just running an economy reset every few months, with new content coming as side projects from developers with spare time. This is currently seeming like the most likely course. - POE2 is completely unable to capture the magic of D2 and POE1 in the way that they want, and GGG has to do some MAJOR backpedaling and porting, and risk killing the game and consequentially bleeding GGG dry. The worst case scenario but as far as I can see, pretty unlikely. - GGG gets their act together and actually manages to pull it off, moving to regular content patches for both games and maintaining them both. This would require MASSIVE upscaling of the GGG team, and risks making the company into a hulking slug similar to modern Blizzard (RIP Adam Jackson). Highly unlikely to happen in the near future, and would require some major ideology shifts from the powers that be in GGG management, but not out of the question. I think my current "realist" perspective is as follows (keep in mind that I haven't had a very long stay in the POE community, only jumping on the boat in the past few years): GGG *can* make it happen. I think that if there's any game company that could, it would be them. HOWEVER, this would require the top dogs at GGG to address some of their views regarding how their games are developed, and come to terms with the facts. As far as I've seen, the OGs at the company have overestimated their ability to deliver content on time, and they NEED to realize this. I personally think they can, but it won't happen until POE2 1.0 at LEAST. *If* the game and community can hang on til then, my hope is that things will approach the "normalcy" we've been used to. My only worry is that it'll be too late. They've said many times that they've structured systems to force themselves to keep both games updated, and that's an honorable goal. The team just needs to fully internalize the implications of that statement and actually structure in the way that would allow that to happen. I choose to remain optimistic, but I don't fault anyone for not sharing that stance, nor will I be surprised if my optimism turns out to be unfounded.

[@Caldaron]

doenst mean they have to do leageus every 3 months for both games, maybe only every 4-5 months since that is already happening a lot lately. just give us a ballpark. it would have been fine had they told us that they skip the cycle once to get poe2 up and running. and i get it. league content oftentimes cant be squeezed perfectly into a given timebox. just give it enough of a buffer instead of crunching yourself too hard...

[@jasonator53]

@@Caldaron that’s kind of the problem they’re running into now - i’m sure they have/had an internal roadmap, but as is the case with GGG, they wildly overestimated their ability to adhere to it in a timely manner. Excluding bad actors from the Tencent influence, they are not going to be able to give an accurate ballpark until POE2 is fully released, unless they articulate that and make changes to the way they’re updating both games. As far as cycle skipping, they’re coming up on three skips now, which has been a trend since POE2 approached critical mass in the past year and change.

[@brettedington1865]

At a minimum they could have packaged TOTA or Affliction again and we would have been happy. They made 30 million but they don’t have devs? That’s the worst excuse I have ever heard. Basically he is admitting that he can’t manage a team.

[@gpkai]

People who actually believed that POE2 wouldn't affect POE1's development Lol Lmao even

[@m4sniper79]

I guess I count as one of those people, they talked about the next PoE1 league in October like it was something nearly done and they were just waiting for PoE2 to launch and not steal its shine. I didn't know they meant that they haven't actually worked on it and it's not even in active development.

[@MannyB29]

In 12-18 months. POE2 will virtually be better in most regards with all the added content and features. At that point it will be a financial mistake to continue developing POE1 with a likely 10-1 player ratio in the two games. POE1 will become undeveloped, or they use POE1 as a guinea pig for POE2 seasons. I mean, if 0.2 came out tommorrow and 3.26 aswell ...... it would like atleast a 5-1 player ratio. And this is POE2s worst state it will ever be.

[@angrywoodbooger3353]

you should probably revisit the worst state it will ever be, in 3 or 4 weeks. If poe2 is still in the same state without major base improvements, which is likely, they will have killed 2 games at once

[@Kuzka_]

I disagree. Player numbers will drop for both games due to divide, and poe2 is likely to be at current, or slightly higher, poe1 numbers. Just look at last epoch. Started with 264k on release and has around 2-3k now. When the honeymoon period is over people see with actually open eyes, and get bored, ofc. I have over 300 hours in poe2 and I don't see myself repeating the tedious gameplay in future leagues, regardless of what they add (8k hours in poe1 and still have new things I want to try).

[@MannyB29]

@@angrywoodbooger3353 stupid take when they made 2 updates that significantly improved the game. Your wrong base on the data from the last 2 months. Not to mention these updates came before and after they went on like 3 weeks of holiday time off.

[@MannyB29]

@@Kuzka_ By your logic, you also wouldnt play poe1. Also weird sattement when POE2 has has better player retention than POE1s best league. 350K+ players after 1 month and 150k players after 2 months. 150k on a poe1 launch would be like top 5-6 most succesful leagues ever. POE2 after 1 month still had more players than any poe1 league on launch. Not to mention POE2 is a beta, only 1/3 finished and is paid access only. Whats gonna be the player count in 1year when its fully launched with f2p access?

[@Kuzka_]

@@MannyB29 with years it's gonna drop to probably just a bit higher numbers than poe1 because it hasn't been plagued by hater andies yet, that convinced everyone poe1 is too complex to try. You're comparing a 10 year old game to a new game that already is down to as many players as poe1 league starts have. Over time it will be less and less, so no need to be on a high horse that this is some new generation game that everyone will play forever or something. It might get higher on f2p 1.0 launch, but will also go down quite fast

[@Miawou543]

Im already sad Woolie why do you do this to us :(

[@Zramer]

If they make POE1 standalone, it will all be forgiven.

[@Wyrsa]

I've know this was coming since they announced that PoE2 would be a separate game.

[@Zerli]

oH NOOOOOO I prefer POE1 over POE2 ;((((

[@WesternHypernormalization]

The Doubters can be found at Applebee's for the foreseeable future.

[@bertjohnson401]

I get it, and you're not even counting all the console numbers. But man. Maybe I'm looking back with 'good ol' days' glasses, but Chris always seemed very confident in GGG's vision. Even if you disagreed with a design decision, you at least liked the idea of the integrity behind it. And not to shit on Jonathan, but man, if you had a drinking game where you had to do a shot every time he mentions the design team has internal disagreements or that they are waffling on something, your liver is going to be hurting. It was painful to watch him talk himself in circles about how they're going to release the last three acts in the DM/Ghazzy podcast. PoE 2 feels like there's at least two different camps designing it, whether it's the incredibly different experiences from the campaign to the endgame, or even some design choices, like the towers - a poor iteration of sextants, which PoE 1 moved off of altogether. Charms, dumbed down utility flasks, seemingly were made by one group without working with gear itemization (extra charm slots should be implicits, but instead launched as super rare modifiers that were later changed). Even the skill tree - the strength section with no life nodes, drawbacks like reduced attack speed, and a stingy armor coefficient compared to the top and right of the tree with stronger MoM, ES, etc. The list goes on. Chris once talked about having a discussion with Kripp about consistency that lead them to have a set schedule of releases and that's definitely gone out the window. I don't know man, we can't see what goes on behind closed doors, but it feels like there's a lack of a coherent vision right now and that is worrisome.

[@tf259]

Poe2 needs a lot of work, they could potentially drop the ball on this one

[@simons9264]

It sucks cuz I just don’t like poe2, it’s a completely different game and more importantly it’s not the game I was expecting from a game called path of exile 2. They’ve heard a lot of criticism of 2, they’ve also heard tons of positive feedback as well, somewhere in the crossfire while they develop it to be better I just hope poe 1 stays in the mix because it’s what a lot of people want, and that poe 2 wasn’t. And until it is what poe2 is, which it probably won’t be given everything we’ve heard and seen and played, we should have a game to fall back on.

[@ashocck8065]

I do not like POE2 either. It will of course get better, but judging from what I see from POE2 as of now, the core of the game is very faulty. Therefore, I do not believe it can ever be even close to POE1.

[@Titan_Main_D2]

No game will live forever whilst also perpetually adding new and meaningful content, maintaining upkeep, AND drawing in new players and retaining old ones all at once. It's the way things go - even Runescape is falling, though much of it was bots and alt accounts already. (All of this not even bringing the fact of all studios wanting to do more than one thing / make more than one individual game eventually.) Personally, I think PoE1 has had its time in the sun. It's alright for a different successor to exist.

[@ashocck8065]

@@Titan_Main_D2 Sure, it's alright. It just won't be POE2.

[@Enternal_173]

Isn't this guy the pin of shame from Lankyo's video🤣

[@itssuperfire4083]

it is

[@Prayywastaken]

jonathan just keeps on lying, breaking all the trust built over the years

[@wowitsfrostygames155]

Oh good grief it ain’t that deep.

[@Prayywastaken]

@wowitsfrostygames155 "poe1 won't be affected" "ruthless is a side project :)" "new infos on 3.26 in January" Just go ropemaxx retard

[@STLMTB]

if you could give me WASD in poe1.... holy crap.

[@Chloroxite]

It literally would not change how the game plays other than make it more natural for non-diablo-like players.

[@RustyDusky]

The simple fact that Poe 1 didn’t use WASD is the reason I never played it lmao

[@MorulanVR]

Same poit click feels absolute horrid ​@@RustyDusky

[@ZawaOnYoutube]

​@@MorulanVR did you ppl somehow never play a MOBA or a shooter? It's constant mouse movement and button manipulation. So weird only ARPGs seem to take a hit for this

[@alilweeb7684]

​@@ZawaOnKZbinDude i play poe 1 for almost 9 years now and the SECOND i tried wasd it felt infinitely better than point and click

[@anunnaki8964]

I'm not surprised, and this happens to a lot of companies in the video game field, And these are decisions that are sometimes very hard to make, and Path of exile 1 employees also want to take their leave and go on vacation, The world of video games as a developer is a job that requires a lot of sacrifice and I can confirm it to you woolie Thank you for this Video Peace my brother Exile

[@BEETLEDJUICE]

This is interesting from a business pov. Like if ppl come from all around to see my green grass and I change my grass... 😂😂

[@MultiStench]

love your honesty woolie. as a poe 1 beta and on player i totally agree. its sad but true

[@vexfemboy]

Im so glad ARPG isnt my main genre nor PoE, i mean generally im glad im not stick to only one game or genre, perfect time to play something else, unpopular opinion: im actually happy that PoE and PoE2 are in this state in which they are

[@LiquicitizenAntoine]

Prepare for unforeseen consequences...

[@wowitsfrostygames155]

I actually think you couldn’t be more wrong. The demand for Poe 1 is still exceptionally high even with Poe 2. Statistics are a dangerous thing when you read them wrong. Of course Poe 2 will have more players, Poe 1 has been in the same league for like six months now. Saying POE 1 has no future I think is just ignorance. There’s simply too many people that will never play Poe 2 no matter how good it is, and all the Poe 2 players that came from Poe 1 still want to play POE 1. There is no good business decision that results in abandoning Poe 1 any time soon.

[@Uelibertiga]

Many of the current new PoE2 players have no idea what a reset is. The reactions will be interesting as soon as they find out.

[@johnturtle6649]

Honestly after arch nemesis nerf, lie about said nerf, reverting said nerf, then streamer privilege ... how could anyone not see this coming? This company has never cared about you.

[@serjah5328]

while i agree with most of what you said you can't talk about retention and show poe1 numbers after 6-7months of their last release when their usual cycle time is 3-4 mo.

[@AkihiroAki]

More time for me to collect divine orb for buying Mageblood in this League

[@Freedom-kl8rt]

I won't be able to sleep tonight because this news hit me😂😂

[@josejerwerton4050]

They should just get what is good from poe1 and translate as it is or put a next gen touch before putting in poe2 and be done, we all know that money talks louder to enterprises so just keep poe1 as a side chick that you can't live without feeding bits of your love from time to time.

[@hmp01]

your steamdb gave you a wrong number, the peak was over 500k, strange how its different to you? edit: oh you had 1 month selected, not max

[@yaothesadcat4723]

This reminds me of titanfall 2 and what happened after apex legends....

[@blazewagon5677]

I'm gonna be heartbroken when the stop doing maintanence mode on poe1 AND STILL no crusible round 2

[@zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba0]

Retention? Hell divers 2 had great retention, and player good will, until they did something their players didn't like. How's digging out of that grave working for them?

[@lucasbispo9218]

Has anyone ever told you how much you look and sound like Dean DiMarzo from LongestSoloEver? What a crazy coincidence.

[@DiogoVKersting]

I did see this coming, it's as you said, once you figure out they're a business and what are the incentives, it's not too hard to estimate their likely decisions. However, I'm not as pessimistic as you on the future of PoE1. The two games are different enough from each other, that they complement each other. One is looking to be more easier to pick up, "on rails" in many aspects, the other embraces complexity but at the cost of a steeper learning curve. There's also the fact, that it's much easier for a player that learned through PoE2, to pick up PoE1. The thing holding back PoE1 is the insane learning curve. My prediction is that GGG will indeed release more PoE1 seasons, and that the next PoE1 season will reach its maximum player count yet. As long as there's enough players in PoE1, they don't have an incentive to kill the project. The cost of creating new seasons is just way, way lower than the value they've invested so far. The incentive is to "milk that cow". On the other hand, there's no guarantee there won't be major changes to PoE1, especially if the numbers in PoE2 dwarf PoE1. That is, as a business, they have an incentive to make PoE1 more "palatable", or new-player friendly even if that is not the direction the "hardcore" players would want.

[@Quintebud]

Tbh it's good that they left us with 3.25 just because of the gold it makes poe work until the next update

[@Vizaru]

it really is one of the best leagues they could have "abandoned" the game on. being stuck with settlers is just so much better than, say, being stuck with necropolis. still doesn't make the neglect feel any better, but it's a small silver lining.

[@riasg9150]

I have a feeling once new economy starts in poe2, alot of people will quit since we start at 0 again. 😂

[@SammyBog67]

That's honestly the fun part for me endgame gets boring. I like to start from nothing and ascend to riches over and over

[@birdog23]

Poe 1 is more fun. I can’t get in to 2 :( it’s just boring idk. maybe once seasons start.

[@thiagonunes1651]

Shield-kun attacks again.

[@_AriseChicken]

uh oh hes benpilled

[@alilweeb7684]

Ben rant was before Jonathan dropped the bomb, somehow this makes it even more funnier

[@_AriseChicken]

@@alilweeb7684 Ben has never stopped ranting. Hence the term Benpilled.

[@peterruskov]

What you see here is they doubled the peak after 6 years of development of a farmville league slapped in 4 months 🤣🤣🤣All I see is Steam chart that goes down and down, while PoE1 graph goes up and up since 2010. In couple of years PoE2 will be dead and PoE1 will still be chugging along.

[@tonyr6180]

For anyone thinking they were going to care about POE1 after releasing POE2....I have some price ice for sale in Alaska DM me 😅

[@Nixcb2]

You eat too much man...

[@Ryukujin93]

GGG is owned by Tencent so what did you expect? Intention were there, but....

[@portadordelwiju]

Just unistalled PoE1. Dont like AT ALL PoE2 (if i liked ruthless i would have played on poe1). I think PoE2 will go more towards being like PoE1 (more zoom zoom), but its gonna take 1 to 2 years. And in those 1 to 2 years PoE1 gonna be neglected and PoE2 going to be a little itty smally small littlebit less ruthless with every update like every 2 months or so. So, for me, both games gonna be shit for the next 1 to 2 years. I think im not installing either never again! Time to touch grass or read a book i guess

[@delicaterage6775]

They just lie and dont care about players it about only money

[@Vizaru]

I highly doubt it. more probable is they did not anticipate just how successful poe2 would be (which based on the numbers it's insanely successful). the attention that poe2 is demanding in terms of development, bug fixing, content, etc, means they have to dedicate nearly everyone towards it, leaving little left for poe1. hiring more developers is way harder than it sounds, and it will likely take them years to get their staffing to a point where they could efficiently work on both games.

[@javelinwounds]

If they cared about money as much as all the spazzes are saying they would implement cancerous gacha game design and p2w elements already

[@LeyaoChen-k4r]

Looks like he showered. Good job!

[@Caldaron]

lmao, finally

[@mikelee4511]

Woolie there is more than just HOTG I prefer earthquake Come on bro

[@hisrichness]

well said

[@luc_xott]

How is it possible they can’t hire more people?

[@minuen1712]

It takes months just to get new employees up to the same level as current ones at any tech company. They can, but even if they hired 100 people right now, they need the senior devs who actually understand the product to be working on POE 1 to make it a success and right now they also need them on POE 2 to put out the fires. In my experience, new hires are effectively useless for development and a huge resource drain until they get up to speed, which at my company took 6+ months

[@Vizaru]

what minuen said. they want high quality developers, and those are not only difficult to come by, but take a long time to 'get them up to speed' on the minutia of the specific product being developed. PoE2s wild success likely drew all of their manpower towards it, leaving little left for PoE1.

[@luc_xott]

@@minuen1712 it’s irresponsible that they didn’t grow staff to meet demand. If they make the claim to support both games have the balls to commit to enough staff to make that happen.

[@Caldaron]

@@luc_xott yeah especially with the super expensive mtx

[@ricken21]

There was zero reason to hurry that poe2 open beta release. They should be doing like they were doing the whole time - release regular leagues and updates for PoE1 while in the meantime work with the majority of the resources on poe2. Nothing bad would happen if that open beta happened a month or two later. That game is still way off being finished anyway so what difference would that make.

[@michaeltechuk1305]

idk man i just dont like poe2 atm, i prefer the zoom of poe1. i suppose ill live in torchlight until poe2 gets some big changes.

[@holymolythejabroni9040]

I agree that the moment PoE2 became a real project at GGG, PoE1 died. That’s even more evident now with PoE2 endgame basically being PoE1 with better graphics and streamlined systems. I don’t think the death of PoE1 is necessarily a bad thing. All things must end. BUT if and when that happens, PoE2 must preserve what made PoE1 so good in the first place.

[@Kuzka_]

It's like having your friend be diagnosed with unoperable cancer, so you ditch him for someone new asap. Good things *don't* have to die btw. We didn't get rid of books just because computers exist.

[@holymolythejabroni9040]

@ I’m fine with PoE1 and 2 both co-existing, but to do so successfully they would need to be distinct enough from one another to draw interest. From we everything we know about GGG and now PoE2, that’s a pipe dream.

[@SwissCow85]

So GGG pulls a EA move and fucks over all POE1 playerbase just to shove us a halve baked poe2 game that nobody wants in its current state for at least years..

[@scriplin]

Love GGG but all they've accomplished is ruining two games for the foreseeable future. PoE 1 with the old graphics makes you want the new graphics. PoE 2 is terrible compared to PoE 1 in so many ways. Result: not playing either one.

[@AchimTheEagle]

I wasn't surprised at all. I'm very vocal about them being a lying bunch of rats for month now but people called me a doomer. Still it is so sad that it doesn't even feel good to say "I told ya." ;/

[@nahuel474]

Hello Mr. Woolie. Talking about PoE1 and PoE2 i wanna know a couple things. I just bought PoE 2 2nd supporter pack and have been watching a lot of guides (not just yours but by others to) on PoE1 but i did play a bit, like 20 hours or so. Point is, Should i play PoE1 or just move myself to PoE2 entirely? What stash tabs should i get (i have 600 points) during the next stash tab sale (which i believe it is on february 18th) and how many of which? and lastly my own thoughts i do wanna play PoE1 because there are things that on PoE2 are not there (yet or won't come at all). Thank you for reading i'd love any form of answer i could get from you and the rest, please help me in my confusion and guide me. thx

[@PitH0und]

Look it up instead of leaving paragraphs of questions expecting your favorite streamer to sit down and coach you personally

[@nahuel474]

@@PitH0und I know i am stupid, but i even i went ahead and searched for answers and that's what i am doing. I go from forums in PoE to reddit to even youtube videos looking for answers. So what's wrong coming here and looking an answer from someone who played that game for +10 years, besides that, i also wanted other people to coment to see what would everyone else thought, i wish he could see this but even I know that he's a busy person and doesn't have time to read every comment, but that doesn''t stop you from helping me either.

[@Justakid1150]

Get that resume ready buddy

[@bobloop5169]

imagine being a game dev team and making a game right for 12 YEARS you work on it like i would be wanting to make another game and work on something else even if its a sequel its a new foundation they can build upon. I think everyone is overreacting way to much.

[@rauljosechaves3291]

Bro, I'm paying them, not them paying me, don't ask me to be understanding when they lied to me take my money. Not exactly my case because I pulled the money plug back in kalandra, but you understand the point

[@upanddown1132]

I personally don't like Poe 2 so screw me I guess.

[@lynn1910]

Wow it’s crazy you have all these subscribers and wanna throw it away by posting nasty fat phobic comments on someone’s KZbin shorts 😂

[@k0ra1d0n]

Fr😂

[@Schmidteren]

RIP

[@ko_gi__7306]

you should have started by "owned by tencent"

[@javelinwounds]

If Tencent really had any say in how the game was run it would be much much much much much worse than it is and has been for years at this point. I'm pretty sure they still have full liberty to focus on what they want because I'm sure Tencent would have already forced in p2w elements otherwise. So easy to handwave "ooohhh big scary Chinese company is why development isn't going the way I want it"

[@ko_gi__7306]

@javelinwounds it's not exactly what I meant but feel free to make your own conclusions

[@fluffyisyermom7631]

I'm done with poe 2. So let's see if I'll ever play again

[@Tollscray]

bro is so chopped

[@zoko1550]

Im not in love with poe2

[@anongeneralpublic]

poe 2 is vision tm realized aka crap

[@senjusan6359]

Because you have no taste

[@Phillz91]

The side rant on melee is interesting. While Warrior is by far the worst class in the game for how it feels to play, this seems to ignore the fact that Monk is also a melee archetype and is one of the most popular and fun classes to play. Even if you take out the broken double heralds, my monk playthrough was legitimately fun from start to finish.

[@deleno7290]

calling monk melee is like calling lightning strike in poe1 melee. it's not the same.

[@Sorain1]

Two things contribute to that: Mace sucks, it's badly designed to the point it's sad. Secondly, Armor and Life aren't viable defensive layers compared to Evasion and Energy Shield.

[@beegyoshi1685]

​@@deleno7290idk about lightning strike in poe 1 but why is monk, especially ice strike, disqualified from being melee ? is it because it is fast or because it teleports you to melee range ? genuinely curious.

[@deleno7290]

@@beegyoshi1685 because the vast majority of monk's good skills, like lightning strike in poe1, are "melee" skills that shoot out projectiles to the edge of the screen or have large autotargeting/aoe ranges that can often outrange ranged spells or bow attacks...

[@beegyoshi1685]

@then that makes ice strike monk a complete melee character that doesn't struggle much. If you think that is not a popular enough playstyle then that is fair (or if you consider herald of ice on the aoe part of your comment, which is absurd) but monk IS a melee character

[@jasonxoc]

Why don’t youtubers realize that two things can be true at once? A business can want to make a great product AND ALSO make money? … Those ideas aren’t mutually exclusive.

[@WilderQ]

The thing is company who is owned by investors is forced into prioritizing money in a lot of situations.

[@minuen1712]

Why can't chatters look at every other company in history and see the patterns. Money takes priority in the end if you have investors

[@jasonxoc]

@ It’s such a basic observation to say “every company _ONLY_ cares about money” … The point makes itself if you read it.

[@jasonxoc]

@ Yeah well, you should be a youtuber. You think exactly like them. Speak to basic level one mentality…

[@Dexykai]

i am just pissed but i am still with GGG . at least gimme zana's Lap to cry on it . AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

[@PoipoiFR]

Facts 💯

[@Giliiiiii]

As a old poe 1 player and new poe 2 player (123 hours) I'm having a blast. And yes I study the game for crazy hours. But it's worth. Poe 2 just suck if u go blind playing like any other game. If u understand it. It's the perfect game for me right now. And yes even at the endgame. Poe 1 doesn't even come close to poe 2 in my opinion.

[@VicStrange9]

Honestly, I'm glad they're going mask-off. Now people can prove themselves a bunch of addicts and allow GGG to golden rain on them or quit now. Because PoE2 is not gonna save anything. Melee wont be fixed. Balance will be non-existent. You know the drill. The only way to actually stop this is to just not play.

[@crystalmaiden4433]

What future? Lol

[@MrMetFanSC]

I have never had you appear on my feed before and I got to admit this is a pretty terrible take. They were upfront and honest about exactly why this happened and I am not surprised by it at all. POE2 is going 3x what the best PPE1 league ever did this is a huge game for GGG and they need it to succeed. They can’t go the LE route and hibernate for 9 months on this game so POE2 is going to take the priority My expectation is we will get 3.26 early summer and another league December. POE2 will get a league in February May Sept and then will release in February next year Blaming this decision on greed feels awfully cringe I hope if you randomly appear in my feed again it is with a better take

[@TossedSalad69]

And here comes all the cry babies

[@rovgero9932]

Dr diddler fan

[@rhnirsilva652]

L take, they arent a indie studio, but look with how much people work on riot game peak ( and even right now ) and you can see it's not even CLOSE to enough. you can't just find 500 poeple ready to be hired senior in a custom engine bro

[@1273dave]

You said they have hundreds of employees that's a lie easy look up they have 106. Poe2 is a massive success still running around 200k players and it peek was around 600k. It isnt even finished. Poe1 highest in ten years was around 400k. Which game do you think they going to go with forward. Poe2 currently has around 130k players as i write this on steam and poe1 has 4k. Just have to say poe1 is dead. maybe one or two more seasons and thats it. It makes logical sense and financial sense. They ARE NOT a huge development team.

[@Mesoz]

I think some people have the misconception that because GGG is owned by tencent, that they have hundreds of employee's and billions of dollars to throw around. I also find it a bit annoying people just say they should just hire more people. Just hiring good trained devs, that live locally, that you want to be working in your studio is not an easy task. There is also the risk of potentially over hiring and then needing to let people go (which honestly a lot of companies do this). But yeah they are not a incredibly massive team, it takes a quick google search to find this out. But yes it makes logical sense for them to focus on what is being successful right now, any business would do this, and sane person would do this regardless of what has been said. I don't doubt they probably thought they could handle both things at the start, while definitely optimistic, they probably believed it. And well, reality came crashing through, shit happens, and choices have to get made.

[@javelinwounds]

​@@Mesozgreat comment, glad to see some reasonable takes on the situation.

[@atido4085]

It's just sad

[@dieudujambon]

melee suck in poe2

[@sal1764]

Alright Woolie, I'll calm my tits. You might be on to something.

[@Epjrt72]

Annoying ahh boy

[@katsuhito94]

Baseg

[@Yaumyt]

They never said that PoE2 development wasn't gonna impact PoE1 that is simply false and would be an INSANE statement to make The only thing they actually said is that they were going to be 2 separate entities and that changes to one would not necessarily impact the other