The Future of Psychedelic Medicine: A Conversation with Jeannie Fontana and Robin Carhart-Harris

Sam Harris speaks with Jeannie Fontana and Robin Carhart-Harris about the TREAT Initiative in California and the growing promise of psychedelics for mental health care.
Jeannie Fontana, MD, PhD, is a multifaceted leader in healthcare, specializing in Internal Medicine, Environmental Toxicology, and Biochemistry and Molecular Biophysics. She initiated an ALS-focused research team at Sanford Burnham Prebys and established the Cedars-Sinai ALS Center of Excellence, driving policy change and boosting federal funding for ALS research. As a founding trustee of the California Institute for Regenerative Medicine (CIRM), she played a pivotal role in creating the world's largest stem cell granting agency with an $8.5 billion budget. Under her influence, the agency has achieved FDA approvals, fast-track designations, and launched groundbreaking clinical trials. Additionally, CIRM catalyzed the creation of over 55,000 jobs, 50 new companies, and $10 billion in added state revenue. Now, Jeannie is poised to address California's urgent mental health crisis through her role in the TREAT California Initiative.
Website: www.treatcalifornia.org
Robin Carhart-Harris, PhD, moved to Imperial College London in 2008 after obtaining a PhD in Psychopharmacology from the University of Bristol. He has designed human brain imaging studies with LSD, psilocybin, MDMA and DMT, and several clinical trials of psilocybin therapy for severe mental illnesses, including 3 key trials in depression plus 2 further trials in anorexia and fibromyalgia syndrome. Dr Carhart-Harris founded the Centre for Psychedelic Research at Imperial College London in April 2019, the first of its kind in the world. In 2020, he was named among the top 31 medical scientists by The Times newspaper. Dr Carhart-Harris became the inaugural Ralph Metzner Distinguished Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry at the University of California San Francisco in 2021, and in the same year, was listed in TIME magazine’s ‘100 Next’ - a list of emerging leaders from around the world who are shaping the future.
Website: carhartharrislab.com
Twitter: @RCarhartHarris
October 4, 2023
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[@stephenknox2346]

Had a tough time getting engaged with this. Seemed more presentation than conversation at times, but thanks for making it available.

[@blakepi-physicsvideos3855]

As a medical student interested in psychiatry and neurology, listening to this chat about psychedelic therapeutics has me beyond excited. As mentioned, there is immense potential to change the landscape of how we treat and understand mental health disorders. We're talking about potentially shifting away from the traditional pill-for-an-ill approach to a more holistic and profound therapeutic experience. For those of us diving into the world of brain science, this is a thrilling time - as it is for so many patients being failed by current treatments. Gone are the days when these substances were purely associated with countercultural movements or recreational escapades!

[@radscorpion8]

Yes, and hopefully these psychedelics will be made legal for use by the general public sometime soon as well! Like shrooms. I don't mind if they are regulated and come with booklets on safe usage, but there are so many incredible benefits it is almost criminal to keep them illegal just because we have people in parliament or congress have an irrational fear of drugs (mostly conservatives)

[@xRedSmartiesx]

I share your excitement. There is a lot of work to do to get to acceptability, however. I work as a social worker in the outpatient psychiatric clinic of a hospital. I was recently discussing the potential of these drugs with a few collegues, especially with patients having difficulties identifying purpose in their lives. The suggestion that we should envision these treatments at our clinic was met with great opposition from more experienced team members. Their argument was that it makes no sense to suggest drugs to an addiction prone patient population... it will take time to deconstruct the recreative narrative around these compounds.

[@The1DUIGuy]

There is so much irrational fear by some people, who serve as gatekeepers of progress. Their willful ignorance is frustrating.

[@gailalbers1430]

on one hand I am excited about the research on psychedelics. I just think the woman scientist in this podcast is just a little naive and I am concerned that big pharma and government want to control the mushrooms medicine too much for profit and that it won’t be available as a natural available resource for all.

[@gailalbers1430]

@@xRedSmartiesxi disagree regarding the view and prejudice for recreational use. I believe it’s generally pretty safe and that recreation is not negative although I agree that it can be even more helpful in certain serious clinical settings. Psychedelics are not addictive at all and are known to help people break their addictions. There is just still too much fear of nature, which we are a part of .

[@donpodlas5546]

I was on Methadone for several years with the V.A. I finally managed to get off the medication after a 9-month weening period. I am currently involved in a Ketamine therapy protocol. While Ketamine is classed as a dissociative, it has recently been classed as a psychedelic in some circles. I fell into a deep depression after getting off Methadone. Ketamine has proven to be the most profound and quickest acting anti-depressant that I have ever experienced. The efficacy of this medication is nothing short of mind-blowing. Thank you so much for your insight into this emerging field of therapy.

[@donpodlas5546]

Is that an Instagram or a Telegram address? thanks!@Marywexler

[@littlegunpowderfalls]

Sam, I think you are in a unique position to educate other well educated people that psilocybin is safe and doesn't need to be controlled by insurance company's rules. One of my most powerful experiences was finally experiencing the "no head" perspective that I have tried for years to get after having read "waking up". I would have never had it if I was not reaching for a glass of water. I saw my own arm in front of me and realized it didn't reach back to a head, it reached space to space. and then I realized we are all space and energy. I had the most beautiful breakthrough in that moment, seeing the spaciousness of my being. This will not happen with a mask on in a therapist's office. and this is just one example. I cringed imagining my experiences being subject to two therapists in a room with me instead of the experiences I've had with nature. Our mind will do the therapeutic work without that container, in my opinion. Sure, make it available to people that want therapists there- but please do not force people to use this medicine in only one perscribed, insurance company devised way. Your own experience (I'm going to butcher this description) where you described experiencing witnessing yourself without caring about what another person thought of you is also so valuable. How would someone come to that while blindfolded with clinicians? That can only occur in relationship.

[@bryanutility9609]

It’s illegal because people are stupid and will abuse it. Have you not seen how pathetic most people are? You’re going to just mainstream the earths most powerful hallucinogens & not consider the unintended consequences? Obviously these drugs didn’t help you overcome naivety 😂

[@albert.robles7]

It's been 3 years since I tried DMT, can't find a plug anywhere in my area. Back then, We used one of those vaporizers with the big bags. The first time I didn't do enough and I just seen shapes and colours. But the second time I managed to get another hit in before I got the light headed. I remember floating above the country side flying and then all of a sudden I zoomed down into a deer and went right inside of it and I was the veins and the blood and flowing through this deers body. It was very strange lol

[@katlinkate]

I Strongly recommend just sticking to shrooms if you want an hallucinogenic experience. I was given “DMT" one time by someone I trusted (at the time) and it turned out too intense that the trip lasted for 24 hours. Can't really be sure what you're getting aside from shrooms. Cause I personally have never had a bad experience with mushrooms though.

[@userconspiracynut]

[adamsflakesx] Ships psychedelics

[@albert.robles7]

​@@userconspiracynuthow can I reach out??

[@albert.robles7]

Is it Instagram?

[@userconspiracynut]

Yeah, he has variety of stuffs like mushrooms, LSD, DMT even the chocolate bars

[@Bat_Boy]

When I was about 28 years old, I had a dream where I learned how to fly through the air. When I woke up, I felt this euphoric, spiritual calm that EVERYTHING was as it should be. The normal self talk was gone, and just an overwhelming feeling of peace, was inside me…all day long. The next morning, it was less pronounced, and then the next…until if faded away. The dream triggered something in my mind, I wish I could duplicate WITHOUT getting addicted to drugs. I feel so fortunate to have experienced it, in my lifetime. So…if people can at least feel this once in their life, it might be worth it.

[@The_BubbaHoTep]

I too had a similar experience in my early 20’s, the overwhelming peaceful, euphoric feeling is/was ineffable. I’ve never been able to explain it, but it was life changing

[@ROUNDHOUSEMAFIA]

I got those quite often. You believe in the possibility of this whilst in the dream state. The people who witness seem to believe it too. I have always considered that you've tapped into some kind of extra or forgotten ability. I'm early 40s and they usually come around every 5 years or so. Dreams aren't something you can control but that dream is something else. I've reached a heightened level of control of it in the past and like you say the next day it can be pretty overwhelming.

[@JR-tc4kq]

Give meditation a try!

[@elmoblatch9787]

psychedelics are not addictive, so...

[@Bat_Boy]

@ZUSOTRIP-ON-INSTAGRAM-SHIPS- 🤣🦇 They called me “mad” at Harvard Medical when I crossed a bat with a human. Who’s laughing now!? Brahahaha!

[@salate0000]

Looking forward to listening in full

[@NAKEDwolff]

Psychedelic's definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression,I would like to try them again but it's just so hard to source here

[@GabrielMaximus2]

Love this.I battle from depression, anxiety &C-PTSD,I've heard shrooms cured depression. Wish doctors were more open to natural medicines over big pharma but we know why

[@MarcoGuiterrez-bo7hg]

trip_vardy Got psychedelics

[@wizardofthewest993]

I had a moment on my first mushroom trip where I was lying in bed and lost total connection to my physical body.I felt as I was just a dot of energy on my pillow such a crazy feeling and made me smile, really realized that we are really nothing but energy and had an overwhelming feeling from that trip

[@JessicaHart-l]

One of my best experience in my life was doing LSD and writing a paper on my interpretation of God and how the universe works,it was amazing and I got an A in college class of comparative religion

[@NAKEDwolff]

@@MarcoGuiterrez-bo7hg where to search Is it IG??

[@patrowan7206]

Thank you for this fantastic overview of a subject so near and dear to my heart.

[@colindgrant]

I’m a long time Sam reader/follower/fan, and this video was really well done. Now I’m off to learn about mass formation. Thanks! -Fellow Colin

[@jlk7jester]

I’m so incredibly happy that you covered this. These medicines seem to be the most promising for the mental health crisis we face.

[@bluesky45299]

If you can understand my point, that will turn into the most powerful medicine for you:spirituality:Quran says: “Allah:there is not God except he”:The Neccessary life/consciousness,sustainer of life/consciousness.” Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea(“Fitra”)that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology via “god of randomness”/”Emergent property”/”law of nature”. Consciousness can only stem from Necessary Consciousness (Allah-one/indivisible/loving/self-sufficient perfection).

[@SeanBeansDad]

Your god isn’t real, mine is. Sorry champ.

[@bluesky45299]

@@SeanBeansDad your God and my God is the same. It is Allah-one/indivisible perfection who is worthy of all love/worship without any partners such sons/daughters & ultimately self(desire).

[@SeanBeansDad]

@@bluesky45299 That's exactly what I would say if I had no way to explain how thousands of religions exist simultaneously each with their own moral code and their own idea of God. It's just not real as sad as it is. Why bother be Islamic when you can just be Buddhist or something else your entire life with simpler praying and still make it into the same heaven? They can't all be real while saying yours will be the true way to get into heaven.

[@bluesky45299]

@@SeanBeansDad Well, I will simplify it for you. You must examine the central doctrine of each faith. Here is the central doctrine of Islam:”There is nothing worthy of worship except Allah,Muhammad is the slave/messenger of Allah”. Now, this doctrine is direct counter to liberalism( maximum freedom/equality), which translates to worship of self( desires) and satanism(“do what thou will”). Any religion that seeks to establish partners with Allah in forms of “son& daughters” or in forms of “desires” and informs of “idols” can automatically be eliminated. Because there is only one Existence Worthy of absolute surrender: Allah(one/indivisible/self-sufficient/infinite/perfect/unique). As Quran says:”There is nothing similar unto him”.

[@thefamilydog3278]

There aren’t enough therapists or “supervisors” for all the people that could benefit from psychedelics. Many people are going to have to become their own therapist, and this can’t be locked behind doctor office doors.

[@littlegunpowderfalls]

I agree. To say that people need to have "agency" and then also take it away by adding plant psychadelics to the same system that relies on insurance companies to be gate keepers is going to be a nightmare. We're going to have the same issues we have with pain medications and other drugs that people need. Right now, ketamine is legal for therapeutic use and how many people have access to that. I found that I can access it if I prove I've tried multiple anti-depressants and they didn't work and then an "augment" - meaning a doctor also tried to medicate side effects of depression like sleep issues. No, this is so much gatekeeping and control. This is not "agency".

[@Malumbra83]

amen

[@sebastianag2966]

Two guest titans in their fields. I really appreciate especially Jeannie asking both Robin and Sam questions about their fields. I loved this episode. Really intriguing cutting edge science. If there is one thing we definitely can be proud of, and in fact the cornerstone for our prosperous lives in the west, it's the emphasis and respect we give to scientific research. Something truly worth defending.

[@Alistair_Spence]

At 36:12 Fontana, after admitting that she only relatively recently became aware of their presence, describes the concept of what a Trades Union is, as though the knowledge of such an organization would only be known to those who specialize in the arcane. I found this to be most odd, and quite frankly a little patronizing.

[@GiuseppeSan]

Struck me as odd as well, but giving the benefit of the doubt, I interpreted it as the difference between a surface-level understanding of what trade unions do vs. what they actually do (after she got to know them). But yeah, a bit weird.

[@Theriverflows]

Jeanine, I’m sorry if you’re not for decriminalization you have zero support from people like me.

[@Theriverflows]

She sounds like a corporate shill whose only interest is to make money for pharma.

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

Alistair Spence: A really embarrassing commentary on the quality of her education 😮‍💨

[@jimschrader9507]

Thanks for a balanced, level-headed look into this exciting new frontier of public acceptance with psychedelics. I am delighted with the medical and social un-demonization of marijuana and psilocybin. Both may permit one to disconnect from ego, which could allow one to examine herself or himself and their situation more clinically, more kindly-less critically. I know from personal experience that among other possible benefits, psilocybin allows one to break negative mental process habits; unhealthy loops in thinking and behavior. I believe it is these negative loops that in part prevent us from feeling entitled to real meaning and true happiness in our lives. Thanks again. - Jim

[@MrCman321]

As a psychologist I am so hopeful for the potential of these medicines in a clinical context. There are many practitioners I personally know that are going around the law or entering the “grey zone” to helping clients with intractable psychopathology, and it is sad how politics is always so far behind.

[@bryanutility9609]

I would think any therapist that doesn’t first address seriously their client embracing heavy strength training & outdoor adventure is committing malpractice. Everyone I’ve met who are “depressed” have always just been cowards.

[@MontanaVolby]

Having had experience with nearly all chemicals mentioned here… and having had such intense experiences with each of them, I’d absolutely love to be included in any studies that any of each of you might find useful.

[@The1DUIGuy]

Count me in, too. 👍🏻

[@Lisbondreams]

yes... me as well!

[@speegee2202]

Unfortunately one of the prerequisites for many of these studies is that you’ve never taken psychedelics before

[@The1DUIGuy]

@@speegee2202 - That’s just prejudiced… 🤡. Give me stuff I haven’t tried! I can help bring context to the experience. (But I’ll recognize if I am in the placebo group…)

[@LightningPoop]

Sounds like you were given the wrong doses everytime. Unfortunately that's what's most people do psychedelics and turns them off a real growth experience that will stay with you forever.

[@---Free-Comics---IG---Playtard]

🤩"I am become Las Vegas" 🤩 (A personal quote from a 2C-B experience) 57:41 +1 Jeannie Fontana & Robin Carhart-Harris!

[@FigmentHF]

Thx, Sam. It’s always appreciated

[@SeanBeansDad]

You are welcome

[@Jams1187]

@samharris Your silence is deafening. Need you out there brother.

[@matthijsmichielsen7447]

thank you for this!

[@JD..........]

Can't wait to see this field in 30 years.

[@littlegunpowderfalls]

It shouldn't take that long though. We know now and have known since the 60s that psilocybin isn't addictive and you can't "overdose". We know it helps major depression and other addictive behaviors more effectively than current treatments. What are we waiting for? There is too much control in our society.

[@GenXersJustWalkItOff]

This is a compelling interview… vista expanding. Sam and his guests never disappoint.

[@iiiooiiiooiiio]

I was unable to donate because the website requires a valid phone number but doesn't let you change the prefix and I'm not from the USA

[@SeanBeansDad]

Better off, you’d be supporting someone against proposed decriminalizing of MDMA and psilocybin

[@AscendedMasculine]

Sam, make sure the link is on the top of your description and the link works to click. Fire your social media manager

[@899547]

I have experiences Mr Harris with some areas of interest to you. I've written three books beyond most peoples comprehension directly related to your work. Im not going to chase you around the world begging for a few moments of your time. Im not being obnoxious. This is the world we live in. Someone that knows the work like you do is a pleasure to here. Thank you.

[@ljdude123]

Get these corporate shills out of here.. she doesn’t want it legal to protect institutional profits.. goal tending these naturally occurring medicines.. shameful.

[@possumface2425]

Ok, You can go back to your cave now.

[@SeanBeansDad]

@@possumface2425 Imagine trying to dunk on someone against supporting those who are against decriminalization with some cave insult. What do you even stand for

[@littlegunpowderfalls]

I agree, she wants to control something she claims will be incredibly helpful, but has never taken herself (or maybe I missed that?) and would prefer that it be controlled by insurance companies. Doesn't make any sense.

[@ljdude123]

@@littlegunpowderfalls makes sense if your main goal is profiteering. Otherwise she can’t get her bottomless donors.

[@hokiturmix]

Please add episode number. Easier refer to this "video.

[@tomtom6319]

I am not a drug person however, I am all for this.

[@fenjohrer]

Daniel Schmachtenberger would be a great guest

[@TheBuzzati]

As long as these drugs create the debilitating condition of HPPD in some users, they will never be suitable for treatment.

[@templecreations2351]

Its good to be with family! 💧🍄 🌈

[@skepticusmaximus184]

I'd love to get onto this treatment program. I've got mental health issues. I'm just *crazy* about trippin' balls.

[@grybnyx]

I haven't heard the phrase "trippin' balls" since the 70's... I go way back with acid.

[@skepticusmaximus184]

@@grybnyx had plenty of acid m'self up to mid 90s but mainly mushies thereafter. Trippin' balls is legendary slang. BTW, do you know The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers is available on Tubi?

[@skepticusmaximus184]

@@coddie117 prolly not to Aussieland tho.

[@tcgdiscussions2413]

Please Talk about Israel and the history of Hamas and the Gaza Strip! In light of recent events I’d love to hear what you have to say!

[@friedmac7146]

Thanks Sam 😊✨🌽 (Omaha Nebraska) 🌽✨🌽✨

[@GiuseppeSan]

Where do I go outside the US to get psylocibin therapy? I don't want to wait years to get some insights into my anxiety.

[@elmoblatch9787]

There are hundreds of underground psilocybin therapists. However, you typically need to get a referral or ask them in person at a psychedelic-minded gathering. There are many psychedelic organizations in major cities. Go to their mixer parties and speak to people. You will find what you need, but it's not an online thing. It's an in-person thing.

[@SeanBeansDad]

Would like to know as well, though the growing kits don’t seem too difficult to manage. Guess I’ll have to resort to that one day.

[@user-gb9md7oz8l]

Knew it wouldn't take long before she started blabbing on about the vets. So patriotic. Go and observe the mental health of the innocent middle east people and everyone else that's suffered unfathomably because of the US.

[@notmadeofpeople4935]

This video just tried to charge me $14.95? I clicked again and it just worked. Thoughts?

[@Jimmy-el2gh]

Finally

[@jps0117]

Hold my beer.

[@scotchbarrel4429]

Good luck Jeannie with the funding, hopefully more philanthropists get involved, someone tell Bill Gates.

[@jonathanlivingston7358]

Anyone cares to put time stamps in the comments for us?

[@wendelljenner4193]

From 0.00 until you fall asleep she does her monologue.

[@user-eb9me1ie7z]

turn on tune in drop out

[@Morjensful]

Im at 1/3. Second guest has only introduced himself.

[@Jimmy-el2gh]

A psychedelic society is a super human society and a super human society is a healthy society

[@stealthDC]

Xo

[@Jimmy-el2gh]

Thought wants to be spoken.

[@buckfozos5554]

Interesting topic, important topic...but one of the blandest podcasts imaginable. Would much rather hear Sam talk to Joe Rogan about the same subject so we could get a few laughs in along the way.

[@shorulz]

That visual looks like Trump's hair

[@BiffTannenBTTF]

Sam, we need your take on Israel! I'm sure you're recording something as we speak.

[@Ton369]

I take my Psychedelic Medicine every weekend. Ooooh yaaaaaaaaaa.

[@jqyhlmnp]

Sam and Jeannie are so shocked that republicans have empathy

[@SeanBeansDad]

A small minority sadly.

[@Jimmy-el2gh]

A global increase in functional integrity. Cool

[@bryanutility9609]

I’ve noticed the people pushing psychedelics tend to have horrible character & generic personalities. They tend to identify with it as a lifestyle. I’m so sick of hearing Joe Rogan talk about DMT 😂

[@tonynewton5713]

Best podcast in the country sam. BRAVO

[@Jimmy-el2gh]

I wanna take mushrooms in a float tank

[@coppola_ai]

way to make an interesting topic really boring

[@TigerHogan]

Right

[@okulusanomali9716]

The female member of this conversation definitely needs to do rmore research on these substances...her input was overall unimpressive, at best...and she refused to accept that MDMA is non-addictive, the average Raver already knows this fact...

[@denisbainbridge4813]

I’ve known plenty of ravers who have exhausted their ‘happiness’ by over estimating MDMA, thinking that to keep taking it was the playground in which they wanted to dwell forever rather than consider it the keys to the playground itself. When they bumped up against that wall-hard- they dropped it like a hot potato. It was hardly the reaction of addiction. Quite the opposite.

[@SeanBeansDad]

@@denisbainbridge4813 You just described MDMA daily usage having harmful effects if not given adequate refractory time over weeks, obviously you shouldn’t do that. It was the reaction of ignorance for controlled substances

[@nighttrain1565]

The man didn't mention Trump for once. Good job Sam😅

[@arawiri]

They fall off because it is flat.

[@CP-nl2zb]

Sam da da dummy

[@buckchile614]

Projection. Your HDS smells strong

[@grandmo6328]

Are they really asking California constituents, who are subject to involuntary confinement for mental health issues, to give these people permission to force psychedelic treatments on them too? Think about this people.

[@EllEss331]

"force psychedelic treatments on them"??? That's not what I heard at all.

[@aaronpannell6401]

This was never said. Quit lying.

[@grandmo6328]

@@aaronpannell6401 do you only pay attention to what someone says out loud?

[@grandmo6328]

@@EllEss331 of course not, they have to convince you to make it legal first. They can give them any legal drug they think is necessary.

[@aaronpannell6401]

@grandmo6328 Do you have link to a video where they were forcing psychedelics on mental health patients. 🤔

[@bluesky45299]

Quran says: “Allah:there is not God except he”:The Neccessary life/consciousness,sustainer of life/consciousness.” Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea(“Fitra”)that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology via “god of randomness”/”Emergent property”/”law of nature”. Consciousness can only stem from Necessary Consciousness (Allah-one/indivisible/loving/self-sufficient perfection

[@Nobodyyoucarabout]

Christopher Hitchens called this type of reasoning 'Jesus Smuggling'

[@bluesky45299]

@@Nobodyyoucarabout well, Christopher Hitchens said: “I don’t have a body I am a body”. Hitchens was not a very bright man.

[@Nobodyyoucarabout]

@@bluesky45299 he was simply pointing out there is no difference between yourself and your body, you are all of it, and to even say there is a “you” is a can of worms

[@bluesky45299]

@@Nobodyyoucarabout Hitchens is attempting to reject the undeniable : no, Hitchens is attempting to call himself a robot. However, Hitchens is miserably failing because Rene Descartes already established for us “cogito ergo sum”. So, Hitchens nonsense is not going to convince anybody rational.

[@pocket83squared]

​@@bluesky45299 The Latin gives it a fancy, authentic-looking touch, but Descartes was _French._ It's also worth noting that Descartes' argument attempts to appeal to the intuition, and thus it establishes nothing empirically; the claim just _seems_ axiomatic, but consciousness still might not _be_ what it _feels like._ Though the famous phrase attempts to be philosophy's First Principle, it has settled nothing-except perhaps that it's now clear a flag has been planted by Romanticism, which has "established for us" a formalized space for irrationality. The old school of thought is called Dualism, and it's dated. At its best, the pile of rubble has been re-arranged into an intellectual spaghetti called Compatibilism, in order to try and to give the old mind/body separation a gleam of legitimacy; but when it comes down to the nuts & bolts of it, there is only observable reality and those who wish there were somehow more to it. As if, as one looks up and out, it weren't already vast enough! From here, there can be seen both the infinite and the infinitesimal, and yet you'd still prefer it if there were an infusion of magic to add to the complexity. Maybe re-examine some of that intuition.

[@elesterb]

How is that Sam takes an interesting subject and makes it as boring as dry toast?

[@user-he8qx5nv7y]

@@WoodOnStone Why click on his videos and comment on them then?

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

@@user-he8qx5nv7y I can't look away; it’s fascinating, like watching a disaster.

[@user-he8qx5nv7y]

@@BhutanBluePoppy Yes but there is difference between being transfixed on a car crash and going around looking for car crashes to look at.

[@elesterb]

@@user-he8qx5nv7y I don’t go looking for car crashes. They appear in my feed, but, they aren’t advertised as such.

[@peterbunnett]

How would you suggest it nit be boring

[@lovethyneibor22736]

If we stop mindlessly procreating there will be no need for any kinds of medicine in the future. With that being said, psychedelic medicine does sound pretty cool 💯🌞

[@todoz11]

why would you propose this as if it's a positive? not needing medicine because there are no more humans??

[@joejohnson6327]

What does your fashionable anti-natalism have to do with the future of psychedelic medicine? 😕

[@Ben-pd2bx]

Edgy.

[@lucioh1575]

@@joejohnson6327If you don’t create the disease you don’t need a cure.

[@lucioh1575]

@@coddie117 Scam

[@UniteOrDie2024]

What an absolute joke Sam Harris has become.

[@possumface2425]

And you keep listening.

[@UniteOrDie2024]

@@possumface2425 No I don't.

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

💯

[@TigerHogan]

This woman was miserable to listen to

[@Yesuah-bendav1d]

The psychedelic best used is dmt taken with a harmaline however they would never use this because of religious experience. So they want to use ketamine instead can’t have people believing in god

[@bigdick1267]

Just checking in to make sure Sam is ok after getting murdered by that woman on the Bill Maher show....

[@ActionGeekUK]

That's Trumps hair on shooms right?