The Best Kept Secret In History?: A Conversation with Brian Muraresku (Episode

[@KB-gd6fc]

Considering how often Paul instructs Christians to be sober minded and how he clearly condemns drunkenness repeatedly it’s incredibly unlikely he was tripping on drugs. His writings are ardently against doing things like that.

[@joejohnson6327]

I'm not a Christian, but I agree with you.

[@meghan42]

Drunkeness and psilocibyn or lsd derived fron wheat ergot are entirely different things.

[@joejohnson6327]

@@meghan42 People can have experiences that make them believe they know da Truth without taking psychedelic substances.

[@KB-gd6fc]

@@meghan42 yes but taking substances that would alter his level of alertness is completely outside the character of Paul.

[@meghan42]

@@KB-gd6fc The substances though, increase clarity and give deep insights.

[@accountforjsvid1109]

Thank you for everything you do

[@Jules-Is-a-Guy]

Sam always tries to get everyone into drugs, my hero.

[@Jd-808]

Yeah it seems he’s cultivated quite the fanbase of whackjobs. Hey guys, did you know that Santa Claus was really a MUSHROOM??? It’s TOTALLY TRUE

[@Jd-808]

(So was Jesus, obviously, but of course someone’s already said that)

[@dundabird3203]

I did so much meth after this episode

[@PolPot-si7cz]

I'm an old slut on junk Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed. Sam laid this path for me.

[@ZootaAndrewMahera]

😂😂😂

[@Scorned405]

Christianity is basically recycled mythology. The majority of the biblical stories come from earlier works of mythology like The Epic of Gilgamesh etc. The story of Jesus is not original in alot of ways. Lots of earlier characters in mythology were virgin born, raised from the dead etc. It’s mythology, not history

[@bobhill4364]

But a man in a dress is definitely a woman because he says so.

[@EmisoraRadioPatio]

Islam as well. There is a fantastic KZbinr (a Mormon IIRC) to breaks down holy books, from the Bible to the Quran, and follows their origins back to ancient myths from Mesopotamia, Greece, Persia, Egypt, etc. The authors basically pick and chose which stories they thought were true or that justified their rules and narratives.

[@NoFeckingNamesLeft]

This is probably the case the whole way back, pre-writing

[@Scorned405]

@@MarisaHoare-px8or Watch Richard Carrier and Derreck Bennett and Mythvision. It’s mythology. The biblical stories are motifs and symbolism. The Jesus story is not original. Lots of much earlier characters in mythology share similar attributes like virgin births and resurrections etc.

[@Star_Light_4]

Yes. It is astrotheology. There is a Book written late 1800s about 16 different saviors with virgin birth. Most born on Dec 25th because solstice on 21st and the sun doesn’t start to lengthen the day until 25th after 3 full days (3 days before resurrected). All astrotheology. Same as last supper pic. Much more there and make more sense to me than the psychedelic connection. Now I do believe in Terrance McKenna “stoned ape theory.”

[@robinhood20253]

I learned Latin in the 8th grade. It was a required course. Of course i have lost the ability to conjugate sentences and speak the language but it helps daily understanding the meanings of many words . Have not done psychdelics since high school but i did not find the experience pleasant.

[@Voidapparate]

Based Destiny subscriber.

[@robinhood20253]

@RickLeeAbrams in English

[@raina4732]

This is amazing, thank you. I recently started reading his book, what great timing.

[@stevenwilgus5422]

It's called synchronicity. (what great timing)

[@davidgough3512]

​​@@stevenwilgus5422what is co-incidental becomes "synchronystic" in terms of personal meaning, as per Jung 😸

[@andro.5678]

will this knowledge get me laid in 2024?

[@shiftleft]

My favourite YT comment of 23'.

[@moontrack4625]

Yes

[@wilyinfidel1091]

No, it will take over 2000 years to bear fruit.

[@georgemartin1498]

I think it will depend upon who you encounter😊

[@bitofwizdomb7266]

Not if you have a tiny wee wee

[@michaelmusicmahan1860]

A calm voice of reason who should inspire us all to learn how to have valuable conversations….

[@user-qm4pw7dc9n]

Hearing him converse with Bart Ehrman would be interesting.

[@moesypittounikos]

He already has!

[@MrSuperBoobage]

That conversation exists, and it’s the reason I became interested in early Christianity!

[@joejohnson6327]

Ehrman would bury this guy. He doesn't know shit about early Christianity.

[@comenadgetme]

I just wish his podcasts would be free... So interesting!

[@david-cugini]

brian is light years beyond me, but ive watched and listened to alot of pods now with you... they will be quoting you for hundreds if not thousands of years my friend, thankyou for coming into my life

[@sebolddaniel]

That was excellent. I lived in Athens and visited Eleusis back in the eighties. He mentions Mc Donald who has been on Mythvision. Excellent interview

[@jestermoon]

I went to a wedding in Turkey in 85' It was great. McDonald's is the biggest church in the world. Stay Safe Stay Free 🌎 No god's seen or heard in my foxhole for 46 years. I am a Jewish Atheist, and lots of people I know are as am I. Peace and love etc My your god go with you 🙏 6:25

[@sebolddaniel]

@@jestermoon Dennis R Mc Donald is a famous atheist scholar who does comparative literary analysis of the Greek classics and the New Testament. When I was stationed in Athens back in the mid eighties it was the ancient Greek sites I was mostly interested in, though the Byzantine churches were fun, too, as well the beautiful Islamic museum near Keramicos just down the hill from the Acropolis. I am just into the art. I made it over to Turkey and to Italy a number of times. Paul hung out with the Roman soldier boys in those baths at Ephesus.

[@brandonDuh47]

Psychedelics are great, one time I was trippin on too much acid and I was staring at a fire pit and the fire pit turned into a mini world with little people and buildings, it was 2 years ago and it's such an experience to remember. would love to try out the magic mushrooms next, just don't know where or how i can get my hands on them, so hard to come by

[@userconspiracynut]

[adamsflakesx] Ships psychedelics

[@brandonDuh47]

​@@userconspiracynut where to search??

[@brandonDuh47]

Is it Instagram?

[@userconspiracynut]

Yeah, he has variety of stuffs like mushrooms, LSD, DMT, MDMA even the chocolate bars

[@christophersmt6500]

In the LSD experience, we are aware of being more our self and less our self (and this can be actualised, moment by moment during the trip) then we're ever capable of experiencing without the mind expansion that LSD provides us. The work that is done, (that is; mentally spiritually emotionally) is so “individual" a thing, but the final effect can be understood and acknowledged amongst the community of others who have taken a trip on LSD. I think that makes sense, I tried to say it in a way that others who haven't taken LSD may understand. I hope I was successful.

[@SteadyEddy-ko9po]

This guy is fascinated by psychedelic experiences that the Greeks had but has never tried them, this is spiritual Voyeurism!

[@RishabhSharma10225]

Why did you think he's never tried them? He has. Edit - Oh I thought you were talking about Sam.

[@davidgough3512]

read Muraresku or listen to the rest of the podcast.. he refrains to not be misconstrued as an addled advocate, and plans to partake at some point in the future.

[@SteadyEddy-ko9po]

Yeh you're right I didn't want to seem judgmental I certainly wish I hadn't taken certain research chemical trips like '25-Mbom' I think it was as a 16 year old.@@davidgough3512

[@Yer_Da_]

I'm almost certain that he's done them already - I could of course be wrong - but it is my intuition - however, he is making a wise choice by saying he hasn't done them due to how it could negatively affect his work in the eyes of stuck-up people

[@dangood8839]

Thanks for bringing the eleusinian mysteries to my ears. I've heard that religion might have been influenced by psychedelics but this, if accurate, is quite frankly mind blowing.

[@skulptor]

..if accurate..

[@Fanofjambi]

Apolitical Sam is my favourite voice to listen to

[@rammul7801]

My question would be, what is that psychedelic they took? Do we know of any endogenous plants in the Mediterranean that have a psychedelic effect? “Magic” mushrooms?

[@iraqwarveteran470]

Read the book. It's an LSD type of chemical that comes from the ergot fungus that can grow on grain. So when they brew beer with this stuff, it is supposed to be Ayahuasca type of beer called kukeon.

[@InterestedInDansk]

*From a DRTV podcast* In September 1960, 23-year-old Gunnar Sandvei enters the large gate to Frederiksberg Hospital. Gunnar is studying to be a farmer, and is about to take over the family farm. However, he suffers from a form of OCD that makes him constantly wash his hands and shower. Therefore, Gunnar has got an agreement with chief physician Einar Gert Jørgensen in the psychiatric ward According to Gunnar - who is dead now - the doctors tell him that the treatment is completely harmless and risk-free and on November 8, 1961, Gunnar Sandvei is taken down to the basement and gets his first dose of LSD. In total, Gunnar receives LSD 6 times. The first time he gets 50 micrograms. The second time he gets 80 micrograms. The third time he gets 120 Fourth time he gets 150 And the fifth and sixth time he gets 180 micrograms. Gunnar calls the sixth and final treatment ‘the disaster’: “We're talking about a death experience. I experienced myself outside of time and space. I found myself in an inferno of fire. *I will not say it like I was in an electric field. I would say it like I was an electric field.* And it was an experience of such a terrifying nature that - yes - I cannot describe it further. But it is obvious that no human being who has been through such a course will recover from it without a trace. Anne Skjerning Programmedarbejder, P1 Aktualitet

[@denzilnovember170]

I don't know how to start this but i was 'a born christian' From birth baptised and sealed with the 'HOLY SPIRIT' I'm a 45 yr old man that could never have kids,but growing up i always questioned my faith,science was always on my mind and all it stands for me because i think i always knew it was bullshit,thank you,needed to know i was not alone

[@ОсвальдКобблпот-з8в]

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[@DUDEBroHey]

If you really are 45 then you're old enough to know there's no conflict between science and religion. You're simply rebelling from your religion. Rejoin the faith. You'll be much happier for it.

[@bogohotdogz]

I've sensed this, this "secret," in the bones of my soul for some time now. Having recently participated in a mushroom and ayahuasca ceremony - I can attest to having seen what's being described in the author's work. To die now in order to not die is the best description I've heard to sum up my experience. Thank you

[@wendyslittleprogram3984]

Sensed what?

[@davidgough3512]

​@@wendyslittleprogram3984this "secret" that words fail to convey although there's plenty of literature to give a hint

[@itsROMPERS...]

Your soul has bones? I think maybe you took too much.

[@gregberry7647]

. . . Or to experience death now, to gain meaning to what is important now.

[@sarahtonin4649]

In my late teens, I took a few LSD trips in the Badlands of Eastern Montana. Even though I've been firm atheist since about age 16, I refered to the Badlands as my "church." I've never viewed LSD or psilocybin mushrooms as party drugs, but as tools to gain something from an altered consciousness that detaches one from normal viewpoints and thinking; a spiritual experience, for lack of a more precise word. I became convinced that if world leaders took LSD, there'd be peace on Earth; not considering at the time that not everyone has a positive, enlightening experience on LSD. Grace Slick tells a story of how she almost had a chance to slip LSD to Richard Nixon. I think if she'd succeeded, he probably would have just thought he was ill with a fever or something. But I understand Grace's intentions.

[@dennismarin2351]

And what did you get after taking LSD, from that altered consciusness?

[@sarahtonin4649]

@@dennismarin2351 -- A lasting appreciation of the beauty of the universe we're in, and the amazing reality of being a part of it. I savor every moment.

[@shehab007]

I'd love to hear you talk about Judaism as much as you talk about other religions, love yr work

[@submarineradioman5535]

Yes - Judaism is TRULY MYSTICAL

[@appaloosa42]

@@submarineradioman5535 no drugs needed.

[@georgemartin1498]

Wow! Thanks for this cogent and eloquent contribution🙄

[@knotlock]

Would like an episode with *Dr. Richard Carrier*

[@Jd-808]

How about no

[@raymondkerr5471]

I say yes. Muraresku’s psychedelic hypothesis seems entirely plausible and worth exploring. I did note his implicit acceptance of Jesus as a historical figure. Given that “The Way” can trace its origins to St. Paul, whose letters precede the gospels (though they are placed afterwards) and seem to speak of an entirely visionary figure, there is a cogent case to be made that Jesus of Nazareth is a literary creation, fashioned in large measure out of Old Testament sources, and the imagery of adjacent Mystery Cults, with the gospel of Mark the template for Matthew and Luke. Muraresku’s “Immortality Key” also calls attention to the gospel of John’s water into wine episode, which he makes clear is lifted from the Dionysian rites. Carrier makes a convincing case for this, along with writers like Elvar Ellegard and others. It’s worth exploring.

[@Jd-808]

@@raymondkerr5471 it really isn’t. Mythicism is just another branch of new atheist mythology. Harris would find it appealing but it isn’t history. Carrier’s an apologist & grifter & shouldn’t really be promoted

[@Scarletpimpanel73]

I'd prefer Dr Dennis MacDonald as a guest - who's work is just as relevant and interesting, yet far more robust and compelling than Dr Carriers.

[@NoFeckingNamesLeft]

Would love this. Prob the most misunderstood author in this category.

[@9ja9ite]

Really amazing podcast. This paints such a bigger picture and understanding of the world early Christianity sprang from. Very educational and enlightening.

[@hypnocoustics9851]

Listening with great interest. Food of the Gods and the McKenna brothers work is as prescient as ever and it’s interesting you are bringing these topics to your audience.

[@peterhardie4151]

This stuff is the stuff Sam does well.

[@budawang77]

Taylor Swift on psilocybin. That made my day 🤣

[@georgemartin1498]

Thanks Sam and Brian! Excellent. Cults are always fun😢

[@pdcdesign9632]

Including CULT 45?😮

[@Mrguy-ds9lr]

And your in one! Yes!

[@OnerousEthic]

We need new cults, psychedelic cults in particular. I am a cult survivor, and if I can join or start one, I am ready to sign up!

[@BrianMcInnis87]

One hyphen can make the difference between the secret of history that is kept best and the best secret in history that is kept.

[@blackbeard479]

Unusual to see a mistake like that on this channel

[@truecapitalist4718]

I hope John Allegro was mentioned in some part of this interview. His contribution is undeniable.

[@tectorgorch8698]

and Clark Heinrich also.

[@paxonearth]

I did hear Brian say in an interview (Jordan Peterson? Lex Fridman?) that he's read The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross a couple times.

[@Jd-808]

Contribution to what??

[@markhampton7559]

Couldn't this be a reference to the death of the individual self, and thus the embracing/transforming to awareness of connection to the Universal Self? "Communion" in the larger sense...

[@Asdssvjn]

Hello from India

[@OnerousEthic]

28:23 I thought the early Christians spoke Aramaic rather than Greek. Is that not true?

[@skotski]

Did he misquote the Bible verse? I didn't see anything related in the area of John 6: 60 Can someone explain?

[@WhiteDove73-888]

The Essenes were in NO WAY Gnostic. They all became Christians.

[@itsROMPERS...]

It's incredibly exotic to call this stuff "spiritual". I've done LSD, mushrooms, and ayahuasca, so i know first-hand what it's like. It definitely enables access to different parts of your mind than you usually see, or that you even can see otherwise. In the same way that you can make up any story, you can imagine it's spiritual, but there's no reason to, and no proof that it's anything but your brain thinking unusual thoughts. It definitely gives you a "feeling" of connection to things outside of you but that's a known neurological response that can be triggered by many things. That feeling of "transcendence" is just a feeling, and it can be induced in many completely mundane ways. There's no actual "spirituality" apart from your mind.

[@limitisillusion7]

You live in the same universe I do, right? If so, it seems that your mind is not so disconnected from mine.

[@itsROMPERS...]

@@limitisillusion7 Congratulations, your statement means absolutely nothing. "Not so disconnected"? This is a self-nullifying phrase. The words cancel each other leaving not a trace of actual meaning behind. "Not so" and "dis-". Extraordinary. Is this what you mean by "spiritualism"?

[@limitisillusion7]

Put it this way, I can't force you to understand the spirituality I feel which I will describe as a connection to source. If I could, it would be a lot easier wouldn't it? In truth, I'm not sure I'm supposed to even try to help you. But I know one thing, I will not speak to you in a condescending manner, because it will only divide us farther. The spirituality I feel is foundationally empathetic and unifying, not vicious and dividing.

[@itsROMPERS...]

@@limitisillusion7 You have feelings, I have feelings, everyone has feelings. Just because you feel something doesn't mean there's a whole spiritual realm. When you get a stomach ache, you think there's a realm of stomach demons? Feel however you like, I do. And I'm empathetic, I just don't make stuff up or believe in anything anyone ever tells me because it sounds nice. Is that how you see helping someone know the truth: vicious and dividing? I'm just saying the stuff you imagine is IMAGINARY, there's no reason to think otherwise. Don't waste your time on fantasy. Don't be scared, the real world is enough.

[@limitisillusion7]

@@itsROMPERS... I always find it funny when people think they know everything there is to know about reality when, in fact, we know so little.

[@marcusduckworth]

Sam, if you had a conversation with Professor Mearsheimer or Professor Finkelstein or professor Chomsky you’d be much further ahead on your understanding of the Middle East. I live there for 20 years. Try a discussion with one of the professors will all be better for it.

[@radicalrodriguez5912]

Chomsk’s wrong about a lot

[@williampatton7476]

They were probably on something at the temple of Delphi too.

[@0MoTheG]

Who gives a shit? I am an atheist. People do and did drugs, so what?

[@Memento-_-Mori-_-982]

Sam, I enjoy what you do as much as everyone of your paid subscribers, however I can't afford another subscription! So, for the moment I'll enjoy these free bits!

[@JohanC222]

You can request a free subscription on his website and you’ll get one :)

[@catbranchman01]

If you know someone who is a subscriber they can share the whole podcast with you (or anyone else). It’s a subscriber perk. Or like the other commenter said you can ask for a free subscription

[@stranger2Utube]

Saaaam! Why is this not on Waking up! Fantastic conversation

[@buddhalovechild]

I am by no means a scholar but I am pretty sure the g in gnostic is silent.

[@radscorpion8]

nice drama free episode

[@moesypittounikos]

It'll be interesting to examine the letters of Paul in light of this psychedelic theory. Professor Robyn Faith Walsh pastes her knowledge of Stoic philosophy over Paul's letters and she shows the Stoic philosophy behind his writings. But is this a bias of the modern academic? If there was a big psychedelic thing going on in the ancient world then surely a guy like Paul of Tarsus would include clues in his letters like he include stoic influences?

[@ProgPiglet]

Some of the language in The Gospel of Thomas is striking and clearly comes from a source of rare insight, like a semitic analogue to the Advaita Vedanta tradition, with Jesus being principally concerned with having his disciples recognize the kingdom of heaven within themselves. Only I don't know what he was on about when he talks about prostating on one's own face, or getting naked and trampling on your own clothes. Methinks Jesus was a bit of a silly sausage

[@templecreations2351]

psychedelics and religion, their impact on human development. these are THE subjects 👍

[@Philibuster92]

Sam Couldnt be more wrong. I am "hearing this" AND am also subscribed to his mailing list and a member. I just prefer KZbin.

[@ryccoh]

No 14 minute rant about Elon on Trump preceding the pod 👍 let's keep doing that

[@Brownyman]

That “Moses” was an alias and who he really was is history’s best kept secret.

[@_BobaFett_]

Every name in the Bible could easily be an Alias

[@Boethius411]

You can waste time reading Sigmund Freud’s Moses was an Egyptian. 😅

[@Brownyman]

@@Boethius411 He wasn’t native Egyptian. He was part of a foreign bloodline whose ancestors conquered northern Egypt and took control of its government. Eventually even trying to force monotheism on the Egyptian population.

[@Boethius411]

@@Brownyman Where do you get that theory?

[@Brownyman]

@@Boethius411 I recommend checking out Ahmed Osman’s work 👍

[@coppercat75]

Hmmm, my first thought is, couldn’t “dying before you die…” be a metaphor for out of body (OBE) experiences in general…finding out for one’s self that there is no death of Consciousness…

[@carefulcarpenter]

I don't use mind-altering substances. None of my neighbors or medicine takers in the community can wrap their heads around _Synchronistic Mathematics._ If I had not documented events in my entire life I might believe that drugs can enlighten an individual. It would be like people who went to a movie and think they understand reality. My research is greater. I came back from myvtrips with empirical evidence and real world artifacts.

[@haroldcheeseburger]

Thank you Samuel.

[@eniooliveira9196]

First time I ever saw someone call him Samuel, besides Wikipedia.

[@Jules-Is-a-Guy]

It's actually Samsonite.

[@danny.belanger]

Can anyone help me. I don't understand something. This ceremony has been done for hundreds of years but christianity only came at the end? I probably misunderstood

[@memoryhero]

Something tells me that "taking responsibility for your thoughts," while being something that ought come first in life, comes last - if at all - for most.

[@The-Aion]

Muraresku is great and all but how about interviewing the guys who gave him the goods, Dr DC Ammon Hillman. Dr Ammon has a PhD in Classical Greek and Latin. He teaches the mystery directly through sources and the language. Learn the truth of the mystery.

[@MandyMoorehol]

@@pomegranate8calm down

[@n.a.larson9161]

Califon?

[@rodblues6832]

The human sacrifice thing doesn’t seem accurate. The Romans crucified Christ as a criminal not as a sacrifice to God. Of course, from the divine perspective that’s what happened, but I don’t think Christs crucifixion was like the Phoenicians sacrificing to Moloch.

[@kadourimdou43]

But the story goes, that Jesus had to die for our sins. So _he was_ a human sacrifice, to save humanity.

[@rodblues6832]

@@kadourimdou43 I’m just pushing back on Sam’s characterization that Christ’s crucifixion was some ritualistic human sacrifice like we saw in Carthage or Central America - it wasn’t. It’s not like the Romans brought Christ to a temple to sacrifice him to the gods. Christ was the sacrificial lamb of God for sure, but his manner of death wasn’t to appease God at all, nor was it a ritual.

[@punishedpokemonfanboy1032]

⁠@@rodblues6832 well hold on, it was to appease god. Theres a reason that jews had sacrifice animals for their sins before that. The secrifice of the animals was seen as a necessary act to atone for sins and get right with god. My understading of christian thought is that it wasnt possible for jesus to have just travelled around preaching his stuff. For the salvation of man he had to die for our sins to resolve the literal debt incurred by them. So it was an act of “appeasing” god.

[@EmisoraRadioPatio]

​@@punishedpokemonfanboy1032 Assuming it happened at all, according to the New Testament and mainline Christian interpretations, Jesus was crucified at the behest of the Jewish hierarchy who found Jesus--just like John the Baptist before him--a threat to their legitimacy and lobbied for the Romans to execute him. Pontus Pilate, being on thin ice with the restless Jewish population already, reluctantly agreed. Christians see his crucifixion as dying for their sins. I don't see how that bears any relation to "appeasing" god. After all, Jesus is God. Was he appeasing himself? I don't think that makes sense. I wouldn't use the word "appeasement."

[@KB-gd6fc]

@@punishedpokemonfanboy1032 I guess you could say that. Christ died to satisfy the wrath of God. It even clearly says in Isaiah 53:10 that the Lord was pleased to crush Him. But still, there is a huge theological difference between the Christian doctrine of substitution and say, the Aztecs chunking someone off a cliff so they can get a good rain.

[@carolparker4957]

Also - I’m sure that the author is aware that the historical (actual) Yeshua bar Joseph (Greek name, Jesus) traveled to Persia, India, and Tibet as a boy where he studied Buddhism and related mysticism at the Temple of Ladakh (well documented by the monks there) before returning to Palestine as a young man of almost 30 to bring those teachings to his “own people”, suffering under Roman rule. It’s WHY that period of his life is simply missing from the traditional Christian narrative (the parable of “The Fatted Calf” is largely auto biographical)

[@mastle313]

great podcast a always Sam. Can't wait for the next one

[@Dann4288]

Time for your 14th bi valent booster?? 😅😅🤣🤣🤣

[@carolparker4957]

AND .... Most of the altered states of consciousness practices “originated” (relatively speaking) in ancient Egypt for reasons I can’t elaborate on here. Specifically, the blue lotus flowers that appear often and so prominently in Egyptian art (generally held by women and being offered to male students) were sources of psychedelic substances. It’s been documented that Plato - like many of the elite in his time - visited Egypt and the Great Library at Alexandria to learn and be initiated into a transformative state. He stated, upon his return to Greece, that he came back “as a different man “. The pyramids around the world were built (by the “gods” ....NOT humans) both as energy generators on top of underground aquifers AND as portals to enter into other dimensions (rituals for this were also conducted by females FAR down in the lowest areas of the structures). The reason that pharaohs later in history chose to be buried within pyramids was precisely to be able to enter into these other dimensions after physical death.

[@nickrodriguez4069]

Curious about the statement made by Sam or his guest (can’t remember exactly who said it here) about these events taking place well before Christianity specifically the concept or notion of resurrection. I am far from a Bible scholar but my understanding is that the resurrection of the messiah or a Jesus was prophesied by earlier books in the bible as in the Old Testament. Meaning that at the very least maybe the timing of the notion that the ideas of resurrection in the Greek mysteries come prior to Christianity are not very accurate unless they are distinguishing between Christian’s Bible and the concept of resurrection versus the Hebrew’s Bible if that makes sense. Again not a scholar just a man with some curiosity.

[@stevlandcharles6261]

Insightful. Thanks Brian. Sam, please consider a conversation with Dr. Richard C. Carrier and/or Dr. Robert M. Price on Christ Myth Theory.

[@daviddennis1984]

You refer to the Trinity of course.

[@wantAvote]

In fact, drugs have been around since the dawn of humanity and are an integral part of the story of mankind. The fact that drugs are mentioned is simply because drugs are an aspect of religious history in one way or another, or one drug or another, both ceremonially and or through personal choice. Sam Harris is an excellent researcher and student of history. What he is retelling and what he is describing here is very informational as simply factual.

[@hadror13]

Moses and the burning bush seems quite like a psychedelic experience

[@aaazzi]

Gpt, compare the eleusinian mysteries to burning man

[@tombombadyl4535]

I took psychedelics about a dozen times in the early seventies, including LSD, mescaline and psilocybin. I think Sam is overstating the experience. It definitely induces an alternative perspective. But I would not describe it as revelatory. I think most of my friends who tried psychedelics at the time would agree. Nobody did them later in life.

[@AMpufnstuf]

do you think it is possible that the 50 years of time has altered the accuracy of those memories, their implied meanings or values?

[@tombombadyl4535]

@@AMpufnstuf Can you think of any memory that does not change over time? I think psychedelics are interesting in that they force you to look at the world through a lens that people who have never taken psychedelics could never imagine. Perception of reality is not quite as fixed as people might think. But I did not find the experience mystical or spiritual. I think if I did I would still have the desire to revisit the experience. I don’t. And I don’t know anyone else from my time who does either. If you’re dying of cancer, in a lot of pain, and psychedelics provide solace, go for it. I will be reaching for the morphine.

[@elizabethmann2635]

I didn't take them in the vein of spiritual awakening. I wanted to get high or laugh. However, one Good Friday evening, myself and a friend took blotter. On the blotter was a cross with lilies. I remember thinking, uh-oh the second I put it in my mouth. That was the last trip I ever took. Wasn't a fun night. It was a nightmare. Locked into an apartment with no windows, and the only thing on TV was "The 700 Club." A trip to Hell for both of us. Reagan's first term, maybe?

[@elizabethmann2635]

Also, tried one more time with mushrooms. I was 60. Nada. Same thing happened the first time. I got robbed, lol! DMT sounds interesting. I have sent a message to the Universe requesting a kind soul come to my house with DMT. A margarita came to my house once. I had sent a similar request 2 years prior. So, it could happen.

[@elizabethmann2635]

​@AMpufnstuf for some people, I would say, yes. There are some things my generation forgot. It's like some of my peers forgot Vietnam. They post tributes on Facebook. The rest of their posts show a complete cognitive dissonance of the Vietnam experience.

[@brianb4877]

This one is actually a bit frustrating, even as an atheist. Historical research has already corroborated that Christianity was not “illegal” in the Roman Empire, same with the lore of the “underground” passages and communities. I’m willing to bet this guy who WROTE A BOOK will have a lot of fact checking in response. Sadly it will probably be dismissed from the “I saw it in a documentary” Rogan-esque crowd.

[@andrewadius142]

All psychedelics and drugs are medicines from the earth to help heal the spirit. They should be honored and respected.

[@TennesseeJed]

Psychedelic baptism!

[@Venusbabe66]

Imagine the lines to receive "communion" if indeed they changed from wine to a psychedelic drink? 😂

[@michaelharman6563]

If he finds the roots of Christianity so fascinating, why is he always hating on it?

[@springford9511]

Sam, I love your work. I hate this clickbait video title. It could perhaps be worse as - "People, many people, are saying - The Best Kept Secret In History?: A Conversation with Brian Muraresku"

[@carenkurdjinian5413]

Such an Interesting Topic …….🌞

[@Boethius411]

I read Greek and a little Latin but Sanskrit sounds super not fun to learn.

[@shrimpie202]

Thank you for connecting us to our western classical origins a bit more

[@skfinedx3072]

You are a very critical thinker Sam. Please keep speaking. Your words help a lot of people .

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[@marcusduckworth]

Professor Mearsheimer , professor Finkelstein, Professor Chomsky, over 150 years of experience in the Israeli camp, not to mention Gideon LEVY OF HARRETZ CAN HELP YOU UNDERSTAND ISRAELI HISTORY, ZIONISM, ETC. GIVE THEM A CHANCE ONE DISCUSSION ONE OF THEM. NO ONE‘S GOING ANYWHERE WHEN MINDS ARE CLOSED.

[@michalanckoronski2673]

😮 i thought that topic will be more Dan Brown style...

[@alirezaabbasi9120]

The Davinci Code

[@markartist8646]

To characterize Christianity as a cannibalistic cult is a bit ridiculous. That reference to "eating my flesh etc." is used metaphorically, symbolically, a figure of speech- not literal. You both are academics here. This is obvious. Your bringing a distorted bias to this that is whakey. I'm not Christian and I'm well read enough to not be appalled or swayd so far into misinterpreting a rhetorical sounding figure of speech.C'mon, really. Then you end the for youtube segment on that point. This is why I don't follow you closely Sam. We're not stupid out here...Stick to what you know.

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[@monkerud2108]

the secret to learning mathematics is to ignore calculations, even the best mathematician in the world is crap at estimating exact values of trig functions in a usable way for small changes in angle at some arbitrary angle, some things in math is just about learning to understand and follow rules, but the most important bit is to be able to come up with protocol sentences you can understand for what a mathematical concept is, when you are learning a new subfield or about some new concept, just look at the rules given to you, and try to rephrase them yourself by producing a set of protocol sentences for yourself that reproduces the rules or connections in a way you can understand. the protocol sentences don't serve as a ground floor analytical definition of whatever you are trying to understand, but secretly it is just you reproducing what is already of that sort, some protocol sentences that define operations that are usable in some sense, that you can understand, the concepts you learn in mathematics don't actually have some analytically rigorous basis, just what amounts to a set of protocol sentences that are easy enough for you to understand that you can use them, the same way a few sentences might explain to you how to follow the rules of chess without making illegal moves, that is all that is required to invent or use mathematics. a trap people often fall into is that they search too hard for an understanding of the analytical basis, instead of trying to just understand the axioms or protocol sentences defining concepts well enough to use it, because truthfully there is no deeper analytical basis, and it isn't necessary to do logic either, the reliability in understanding the protocol is enough. that perspective stops you from going "nono i understand the rule, but what are we really doing here?" while you try to comprehend it :). this is quite abstract stuff, but it applies to all meaning not just mathematics, reliability is key, we never really define the meaning of words or mathematical symbols beyond at some level where our cognitive capacities can understand it the same way every time, or at least with some effort most of the time, that is what is meant by clarity, and can only be what is meant by clarity, for example you could never define what a strawberry is with just a logical language, you would start with some sentence, then the symbols in the sentence would require their own protocols, and then protocols squared and cubed and so on towards infinity, to do logic without the possibility of a true analytical ground floor of meaning we need cognitive functions and a world to operate in, such that you can "know it when you see it" at some level, the details of how cognition works as a whole is a more interesting question, but the requirement for logic is just this simple reliability of recognition and operation :). here we can also avoid the mistake of creating different categories of knowledge, such as what Kant and every other thinker in history has done, there really is no difference, every kind of pattern to be recognize is in a sense analytical in nature only, or in form, if you talk about the platonic realm as simply all possible patterns that can correspond to protocol sentences or real world objects, there is no difference between algebra and strawberries in terms of categories for example, both are sufficiently understood and have as well defined and rigorous analytical properties if they were completely understood and known, ofc it is doubtful that you could know every detail of a strawberry as well as the details of summation, but you see what i mean, the boundry between categories of knowledge is illusory when you get down to it, everything that can have operational meaning is in the same broad category so to speak. thereby we unify logic and metaphysics into a pretty easy to state bunch of sentences, such that we have a sufficient understanding to know that it is useless to separate kinds of knowledge in any sort of analytical sense, and the divisions are only our tools operationally just as well as any other category of knowledge, all paradoxes are nuked, and all is well in time for Christmas. unfortunately understanding the basis of logic doesn't fix spelling errors automatically, i apologize for that, but i wish you a happy holiday Sam, i hope the next year will turn out better than this one :).

[@newdawnrising8110]

Btw the mushrooms connection with Christianity is through the unitive experience that the mushroom can give. This unitive state that is at the core of all the natural religions is a lower level state of consciousness then the highest state which is that of the Father that drugs and nothing can approach. It is only through Christ can the Father be revealed. Just as Jesus said, no one knows the Father except the Son and those He chooses to reveal Him to. This is said many times by Jesus and is a great mystery. Most so called Christians have no idea what it all means.

[@OhManTFE]

I wish we could skip the start of all these videos. I don't care about your life story I just want to get into the topic!!

[@smartiepancake]

I think the Single Tax is the best kept secret in history

[@alexandrasmith4393]

Written as early as the 7th century B.C.,Job says, ‘I know that my Redeemer lives, and He will lift me up on the Last Day’. All the religious idea of resurrection in the worship of other gods, came from the Adversary, who wants to confuse people.

[@BryceHaymond]

Why is crucifixion as symbolizing ego death lost on Sam?

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[@newdawnrising8110]

Mushrooms do not give the Beatific Vision. Only Christ can do that. The Word of God is an intelligence that can come down into the human body from a very high level, but not mushrooms. Perhaps mushrooms can open a person to be able to receive this higher intelligence but it’s not the mushroom. The Beatific Vision is the goal of all true Christian’s and Christian monks especially.

[@monkerud2108]

Think about it, psychedelics were woke in the 60s and 70s, to some degree it still is, but it has reached a sort of endemic wokeness to it in how it is percived by its users, but the analogy is kind of apt, back then it was a sort of irresponsible new wave of people seemingly talking nonsense about very poorly understood things, and now we have a slightly more msture view of these substances, there are for sure people who are as critical as headless chickens, but the views on them are sort of crystalized into a reasonable spectrum, from those who thinks it shows you some metaphysical truth about the universe, to those who think it shows you real truths about how your own conciousness can be altered, with no necessary truth value to the impression gained from it, other than the viceral changes so to speak. Because the stuff is broadly understood in sort of a stable spectrum now it isn't viewed as something thst will change everyone into mindless apes, or will destroy the youth or something, like some view wokeness today, i feel lile the same kind of simultaneous change in attitude but also some sort of equilibrium will be reached with a lot of woke tendencies and then that will be that, it won't be such a spectacular phenomenon anymore, it won't be viewed as some dangerous change rather some stable spectrum of beliefs people subscribe to or don't to different degrees. Although drugs and wokeness are in some ways similarly andnin some ways opposite.

[@sharonhearne5014]

Maybe they distrusted logic and wanted another viewpoint which would bypass learned experience but still experience another function the brain was capable of processing. But what if these substances only affect certain parts of the brain and are therefore limited in scope and in what is learned therefore incomplete.

[@jack_separo]

Forward by Graham Hancock? Oh no...

[@joejohnson6327]

Christianity was not illegal for "a good couple of hundred years". Dr. Bart Ehrman would laugh his ass off if he heard that silly claim.

[@mattsteinle2182]

I wonder what Bart Ehrman would havr to say about this thesis.

[@albin2232]

They should have had a Last Lunch. Eating late in the evening is bad for the gallbladder.

[@kadourimdou43]

There’re no excuses for the crazy ideas around now, that can be traced to mind altering chemicals.

[@jacqueslucas8616]

No churches? Who is Paul writing to in the 40’s - 50’s and 60’s?

[@troywhite6039]

Not a subscriber and never will be. I will not subscribe to a bait and switch scheme.

[@raoultesla2292]

Dr. Ammon Hillman is not a liar?

[@tristantinnon1926]

This is just a hypothesis...an interpretation really. Baccus, Dionysus, wine, grapes, forbidden fruits and higher fruits...What if all this Communion host and wine was coming from the perspective of some manner of Green Man? Being an ancient, Cathar-like call to vegetarianism over remaining the huntersor slaughterers?

[@iraqwarveteran470]

More comments should be focused around how weird this cannibalism cult suggestion is....

[@cosminu.4519]

Brian why is there a K in your name instead of a C?