The Future of U.S.-China Relations

[@zenist69]

You want to hurt China and you want China to stop resist stop fighting back your hurting. What relationship u have in mind? SM?

[@tre_techie]

The US would be day dreaming if it believes that it can push China around and bully the Chinese like what they are doing to Arab Muslims in the Middle-East. How childish!

[@eocndWkdRofksmsslr-pg5mh]

Weak country should listen to the strong

[@songwanguvm07]

@@eocndWkdRofksmsslr-pg5mhyeah then why should US care about some country that is so weak?

[@jasongexin]

LOL.😁

[@missionpossible706]

@@eocndWkdRofksmsslr-pg5mh It doesn’t work on China. China didn’t listen US even in Korea war, over 70 years before. At that time, China is really weak.

[@paytonmcdermott9111]

I dont understand the animosity towards China. The US and china should be the best of friends and work to make the world safer and more prosperous. This focus on conflict only benefits the narrow interest of some members of the Anglo european ruling class.

[@magnaviator]

It's hard to justify jealousy. because it's such a sad and seedy obsession of small people with small imaginations.

[@tuesdae666]

Jealousy

[@talkinghand122]

The CCP works on world domination. Xi said he wants a new world order with the CCP characteristics. Now, do you understand?

[@jimbopeebles8210]

If you don’t understand trepidation towards China just ask Taiwanese and Philippine governments for their take.

[@paytonmcdermott9111]

@@jimbopeebles8210 Taiwan is a very singular case. The US, the People's Republic of China, and the Taiwanese authorities all recognize Taiwan and the mainland as being a part of China. The previous president of the Philippines had good relations with China and was moving closer to them. The current president has gone in a very different direction. They have some ongoing disputes over fishing rights as far as I know.

[@jerryfish09]

It’s just wired to see a US-China relationship forum without any Chinese presence as speaker or panel 😂

[@Ra-mx4bo]

I don't have the patience to listen to his speech. Bs & uninspiring.

[@yangni007]

no the pretended foreign affairs minister has been invited weeks ago.

[@hamzamahmood9565]

Why would there be a Chinese presence? This is a discussion among Americans how they view their relationship with China over time. It's not an international stage or anything, just a talk at home

[@davidlai399]

Typical approach that led to conclusion that things were never more peaceful in the Middle East

[@zhuangdavid5037]

I am a Chinese grown up in mainland China also living in US for long time,. just added my two cents reflecting opinions of my own

[@rickzeng1882]

12'07'': Sullivan openly admited that the US has been trying to shape and change the PRC in the past couple decades. No one feels wierd about this? Just because that's what the US hegemony has been doing to other nations, it becomes justifable? Whether and how a country should be changed is up to its own people!!

[@leftwingersareweak]

That's his job, just like it is for every US individual in that position.

[@kenwong4182]

If the U.S. will only mind its own business, the world will be a happy place.

[@哲人-o3l]

@@leftwingersareweak？

[@eliso5973]

over 300 military bases around China and they still talk about US-China relations? grow up.

[@FreeSpeech-z6j]

you are mistaking USA power projection with C C P's zero power projection. don't take it personally we the west profit from your communism (lol communism slave labour has powered capitalism)

[@joseblanco1033]

People who believe any of the USA propaganda are naive. They say one thing and do the opposite.

[@kashmirha]

I wonder why everybody around china is happy to have a US base. Maybe they think china is a security threat to their countries? The two mammoth, russia and china who are afraid so much from their small neighbors that they hve to attack them. What a pathetic behaviour.

[@joseaguirre744]

irrelevant

[@zhuangdavid5037]

In the face of the genocide in Gaza on Palestinians population and humanitarian nightmare, it made talks on Xinjiang Uygers among thooe politicians uneasy, and brought shame to themselves. Even though this Jake guy may sound reasonable and practical towards China, yet what he talked about on this video is either political spinning rubbish, or under his own hypocrisy, he just tried to make US hypocritical and selfish foreign policy as triumphical as he would like to.

[@seymorefact4333]

Gitmo plus US secret prisons around the globe holding people for life w/o a trial! and Julian Assange...what a disgrace of US freedom of the press! Ok for the US to abuse human rights, commit genocide, and loot. Its time we live up to our words...Freedom, Liberty, Capitalism! THE WORLD IS WATCHING us..and we failed!

[@donkeychan491]

Especially given the fact that the so-called "Uyghur genocide" is a transparently fake CIA story which hasn't evidenced even a single death. A prison photo was misrepresented as being from a concentration camp. It's all pathetic and cringeworthy - by an American administration who are actively supporting a real genocide right now.

[@jdc3636]

Unreal😂

[@jefflu8316]

To the so accurate point

[@talkinghand122]

What did Gaza's politicians and leaders do to bring this disaster to its people? Blame not just one side. Blame both sides.

[@theinfralink6598]

In any other country he would have a hard time in finding a real job in a real economy. But in the U.S. he is one of the most powerful men.

[@htown148]

He has a PhD from a top university. I'm pretty sure he could get a job anywhere donk3y

[@maodun22]

The Rhodes Scholar with a JD from Yale , a BA from Yale, and an MA from Oxford would have a hard time finding a real job? You sure about that bud?

[@pekingese1956]

@@htown148 Job requirements are ability, not academic performance. It's obvious that you are not a talented person who knows people well and makes good use of them.

[@GeoScorpion]

@@pekingese1956 Wumao have infested. When is the last time the CCP even paid you? And with the pay cuts, shouldn't we be calling you the "25-cent army" now? Er Shi WuMao?

[@kennethkong5484]

Always South China Seas and Taiwan. Your ArC of Nuclear Bases from Japan to Philippines, so far from home, and China should just watch . What if China encourage Puerto Rico to secede

[@袁大陸]

Long talking, no valuable information.

[@talkinghand122]

We're not trained for a long attention span. After a few minutes, it becomes boring. For people finishing reading a book from cover to cover is rare.

[@袁大陸]

@@talkinghand122 If we read a book from bottom to bottom without hesitation ,it is the masterpiece, but ….

[@ARolls-dd2zd]

You mean your ears didn't perk up to..."semiconductors"...😊

[@VM-yt2fj]

I know by fact that if the National Security Advisor of the United States talks like that, the U.S has no hope in the future.

[@ashleymistletoe]

😆 I see it as a very sutle surrender.

[@VM-yt2fj]

@@ashleymistletoe I interpreted it as they were planning to go big with China, and found out they couldn't perform any decent action without dramatic loss to the U.S. and their so-called "allies". Mostly, the "allies" in Europe or Asia would flip harder on the U.S. if the damage caused is irreversible to their future relations.

[@kenwong4182]

Don’t hold your breath, wait till you hear his boss, the President of the U.S. speaks. That spells the end of the nation.

[@jsnjsn0723]

The Chinese are patient enough to wait for the day when our American friends rationally calm down, because the Chinese like to make a planning cycle of fifty years, and the American friends like to make a consideration of an election cycle of four years.

[@griefg2967]

China under CCP is most dangerous threat to democracy.

[@adurpandya2742]

no one believes that anymore

[@Waverlyduli]

That is just about the most ridiculous comment on this channel. You're poorly informed on just how incompetent, corrupt and frayed is the CCP China regime of today.

[@998isabel]

😂😂 they may plan for 5 more years I guess? Or 10?

[@Waverlyduli]

@@998isabel The corrupt and incompetent CCP autocracy can't plan for the next 15 days. Look at the state of CCP China before Western investment saved the regime from the Chairman Mao years. Stop clowning around with silly fairy tales. Just look at the shambles that is the Chinese economy. There's no long-term planing with autocracies. It's all about survival and outlandish corruption.

[@jlpa03]

Can’t believe we have people like him determining what’s safe and right for us.

[@tennisguru6739]

Why not? He is good.

[@GeoScorpion]

Why? He's good, he's humble, makes self-deprecating jokes about what he cannot talk about... the thing he said that gave me confidence is that he DID admit that Biden is insisting on keeping two or more, often contradictory thoughts in his head at the same time which is a pain for the Diplomatic Corp, but they are doing that job. It means Biden knows he may be too old to have two ideas in his head, but hires the people who can. He's basically saying, "We WANT to maintain trade relations with you and, btw, we're sinking one of your Casinos... Oh! Sorry, brother, I meant one of your Aircraft Carriers."

[@accountantthe3394]

​@@GeoScorpionStrange definition of _Good_ Under Jake, US has lost allies in OPEC, EU is in shambles economically and defence readiness, ASEAN is losing patience with US. The world got a lot more dangerous with US defence department's half measures - dripfeeding Ukraine supplies, lack of fortitude to send troops to Middle East against Houthis. But yeah, things can definitely still go worse so I guess it's not rock-bottom yet lol

[@GeoScorpion]

@@accountantthe3394 I think you're drinking your own Kool-Ade. 🙄🤭

[@accountantthe3394]

@@GeoScorpion Sorry if reality disagrees with you 🥴

[@samael7867]

minute 14: "we upgraded the relationship with vietman philipiens etc, yea, meanwhile china is building infrastructure and factories there, enhancing the life of hundret of millions of people, while the usa was buisy bombning several countries around the world. eather amarica is truning around theire forgain politics or it is just a superpower between china india and russia. sadly my beloved europe is going to be irr. minute 16, china overcomming the USA in GDP will propably never come? it allready happend, if you dont count finace products and other "soft" economic segments, china is outproducing the usa in almost everything. just look how much steel the usa produces compaired to china. europe and the USA deindustrialiced and let china do the "dirty work" now we see, the finace marked doesnt feed bellys nor produces weapons, micro chips etc.

[@taijistar9052]

But China just sell these products at cheap prices to others, what good these GDP do for the people. Are you proud that Chinese labor make $ 0.1 assembling each iPhone and can’t afford to buy one even working 60 hours per week? Worse even at the cheap export prices if foreigners don’t buy, the life for Chinese workers get even worse! Don’t you see there is a problem with China’s social and economic structure? Why can’t these Chinese hardworking people produce for themselves and afford to buy the goods and services they produce?

[@ricotheman8139]

Agreed. Also, another accurate measurement to reflect real GDP is electricity consumption.

[@potu5097]

Can't agree more.

[@GeoScorpion]

Ah! HERE is the Wumao! With all the budget cuts and layoffs in China you all have been hard to find. Shouldn't we be calling you the "25-cent Army" now? Er Shi WuMao? What was it that Li KeQiang said that got him killed? That 600 Million live on less than USD$140 a month? The problem with CCP talking points (and the obligatory WuMao sub-comments) on a CFR channel is that almost anybody really interested in listening and then fact-checking is earning enough to make comments for free in the form of a question or request for more information, or is providing more data to the discussion rather than an ideological argument they don't really believe in for money nobody can live on. The cool thing is that you have access beyond the firewall and can actually hear the arguments and discussion and learn something.

[@IEtoileFilanteI]

We have asset price inflation propping up the US GDP. That's why all the homes are priced 30-50% more than back in 2020. Everything costs like 20% more too. Basically 4% increase in gdp minus 20% inflation means US economy actually contracted 16%.

[@dav5253]

About US speculation on Chinese economy, if advocating gloom and doom of Chinese economy pacifies those lazy folks, then just continue their dream and hope of China collapsing since at least 50 years ago. Keep dreaming and don’t ever open your eyes, otherwise you will be disappointed and scared to death.

[@ElizabethWang-r9s]

Lie about China force labor

[@tonyraffetto931]

Truth about China forced labor

[@hanfucolorful9656]

What confuses me even more is that after the genocide of millions of Muslim Uyghurs in Xinjiang, China, Muslim countries around the world seem to have developed closer ties with China, and none seem to like the United States.

[@talkinghand122]

Do you have evidence proving that it is not? No? I didn't think so.

[@kenxie6487]

@@talkinghand122 There are just so plenty of them in youtube, both in English and Chinese. The thing is, people like you are too confident, and don't even bother to do a research.

[@talkinghand122]

@kenxie6487 It's very simple. If reporters could go and do a real report on the issue, then we could get the real answer. But the CCP wouldn't allow anyone to do this. Which means the CCP has something to hide. Hiding what, the truth? People hide things for a reason. You reveal all, in black and white, if you're not afraid of the truth.

[@harryloo8544]

Mentions Red Sea but not Israel in Gaza. Lame.

[@zhuangdavid5037]

It's high time for general public in USA to re-learn China, although it's politicians and vocal elites who need the most. China is not a Soviet style communist country, nor an evil empire that you need feel threatened. Unlike Europeans, folks in USA didn't have similar experience of equal and peaceful exchanges with Chinese civilization, which benefited European civilization in many ways, such as silk making, porcelain making, paper and printing technologies, not to mention gun power and compass. China fought hard against Japanese invasion, lost 30m lives (20m according to US Congress Library) in total, only got back Taiwan and several small islands in South China Sea. China repatriated the last batch of 400,000 Japanese army and settlers,.mostly peaceful without any large scale of revenge and killing, nor holding them to laber in mines and fields. Chinese villages even raised thousands of Japanese orphans, and returned them to Japan as growups in 80s. When comparing China with any other large nation,, people would see immediately China as a nation and as people, are peaceful with great humanity and splendid civilization and history.

[@zhuangdavid5037]

Chinese settlers explored South East Asia regions centuries before Dutch, Portugal and Spain, didn't kill and colonize these places like Europeans, even as General Zhenghe' grand amarda passed nearby multiple times in Ming period, but blend in well with local tribe people. One example is Sri Lanka's Galle Trilingual Inscription stone tablet in 1409, erected by General Zhenghe. Another example is modern day Indonesia. After its independence from Dutch, its army and political elites instigated ethnic cleanings and genocides against Chinese settlers multiple times. Now, China help Indonesia with fund and build its HSR through a joint venture, first in South East Asia, which transported millions of passengers in a few short months, benefitting local economy in many ways.

[@legendbe2023]

Competition is real

[@zhuangdavid5037]

​@@legendbe2023Sure do. Competition with high motive and benefiting mankind, not with hidden agenda and selfish goals.

[@legendbe2023]

​@zhuangdavid5037 ideally yes but that's not how nations compete for national interest unfortunately.

[@zhuangdavid5037]

​​@@legendbe2023National interest is a general term. Question is what are truly the core national interests of USA and who define them. Modern day US national interests rooted in super version of Monroe doctrine mindset should be diagnosed and get reformed. The debate of interventionism and isolationism are misplaced in modern world

[@michelleyang2310]

It is crucial that before we make the proper US-China policies we must fully and correctly understand China and it’s policies. With so many misunderstandings how we can bring the vital US-China relationships back to track. We need a thoughtful, rational and calm leader to keep the world safe. Ronald Reagan once said, “Peace is not the absence of conflict; it is the ability to handle conflict by peaceful means.”

[@kennyy321]

They’re not talking about the US-China relationship, instead they’re talking how to maintain the US hegemony by restraining a rising China. 😤 Hegemony and interests are US’s primacy. To achieve this goal, US can beat Soviet Union, Japan and EU. Now it’s China while the next may be India 😂😂

[@台湾井盖质量世界第一]

到印度时，中国可以和美国合作一起遏制印度。也许永远没有机会这样合作吧！🎉为中美关系感到担忧😟

[@jaibholenath6900]

Why next day? US since day one harbors terrorists against Bharat just like Xina does

[@jaibholenath6900]

​@@台湾井盖质量世界第一.......Xina and US are Joined at Hip when it comes to Destabilizing Bharat

[@jamestseng2683]

No next.

[@Voxabonable]

What makes you think only you can decide and only you can have the final say in any relationship?

[@anwiycti1585]

The line on your 💵 says it well😂, pull one out and read it😂😂😂

[@potu5097]

your opinion is just the point.

[@primeglobal6956]

Which world he is talking about? Day dreaming at best.

[@nobeer9785]

Trying to define a bilateral relationship in a monolateral way will never work.

[@ARolls-dd2zd]

But the relationship is "vitally important"🎉

[@phillee8666]

There are three engines in China economy. Real Estate, exports and consumer expenses. I just came back from China and saw busy economic activities in China anywhere. Pretty normal, maybe only the real estate is slowing down. But after more than 20 years of booming in construction, it is pretty normal to slow down a little and it is heather to be this way. Infrastructures in China are much better than those in the US. Opposite compering with the US, China is experiencing some degree of deflation instead of high inflation in the US.

[@byhyew]

The real estate slow down is government enforced. The government wants the market dead. Why? Because it understands that growth is unsustainable with big Chinese cities already having some of the world's most expensive housing. To understand this people need to see what China is doing elsewhere. From chips, to robotics, to the booming private rocket industry, and the dropping of history and geography from Chinese university entrance exam, the single most important indicator for Chinese education, that going forward Chinese students will get their placements in university with only their Chinese, English, Math, Chemistry and Physics score. China has decided to go full in with tech and innovation. Freeing up money from the housing market was just one tactical move.

[@za_wavbit]

Makes sense for real estate to slow down, something like 90% of all people now have homes. Not like in the US - in my state, homelessness is through the roof because there are no homes

[@GeoScorpion]

No. You just came back from where in China? When? 5 years ago from Shanghai? If you spent ANY time in China and just came back from ANYWHERE in China, then I would LOVE to know what your job is, because observation is not a requirement. Sorry, but I don't believe you and if I check the comment history of your KZbin account, I'm pretty sure to find a shill and the same two accounts commenting on all of your posts on all channels.

[@ashleymistletoe]

Exactly. But China has been collapsing since decades ago according to the west. Why would it be any different this year? Of course it's collapsing.

[@abhinavkashyap7528]

U lack so much of insights. The problem world facing with china is not economic its more of political issue but world are first derisking all its economic dependence from china after that political action will be taken against PRC.

[@XiaozhuHN]

I just say one thing, Taiwan is part of China, it is the consensus of the people in China, it's not just the government's view. The Chinese people have suffered a lot in history, especially when Japan invaded China in modern times. The Chinese all have the feelings of family and country, there is no home without country.The US goverment should understand this.

[@zhuangdavid5037]

30 million (20 million by US congress library) lives of Chinese people lost fighting Japanese invasion, only got back Taiwan and a few islands in South China Sea

[@superioreyecare4150]

What you said does not work with Jake Sullivan, cairo declaration in 1943, makes Taiwan, Okelawa, all the islands took from China from Japan returned to China, there is no ifs or buts. Taiwan belongs to China, that is not US's business.

[@user-jy8zb2wc8l]

Taiwan people voted otherwise.

[@lisad3764]

What by the recent elections result of 40%?! Let's not blur reality, and focus on facts: Taiwan IS part of China (a province of China at best).

[@Waverlyduli]

Incorrect. Taiwan is an independent Democracy Actually, you know it. You can create verbiage around your favourite talking points but Taiwan won't succumb to autocracy in these modern times because it's already evolved to something better which they would never compromise.

[@pengwang6300]

Didn't have time to go thru the whole seminar. The politicians might want to learn how American architects did so many skyscrapers in China even without local architectural registration, and how Builk made billions dollars of profits in China a year without paying a single dollar of tax by registering their entity in Virgin island.

[@zhinan888]

Jake is arrogant and saying nothing

[@anwiycti1585]

Have ur hearing checked yet? 😂

[@stevenhuang4193]

Once people claim that US is benign empire. just look around all the wars around the world - Iraq, Afghanistan, now proxy war in Ukraine.... in 247 year history, US only did not involve with a war in less than 20 years. China is the country that had led the world civilization for at least 70 to 80%. Only left behind during the past 200 - 300 years. China is the only continuous civilization in the world for the past 3000 years. Now China is back without a single war but hard work. Yet, US is so desperate to obstruct its development. only show ignorance and arrogance. US, starts to learn win win instead zero sum.

[@gregrogers3203]

My immense appreciation to CFR for making these important questions & discussions available to public or via the Foreign Affairs subscription & phone app. CFR & Foreign Affairs have done a stellar job the past few years in transformation from its foundation FA journal to additional ‘channels’ and wide subscription & public information availability.

[@blackknight4996]

It's just a neocon channel. No value to humanity.

[@NeroXing]

问题其实出在美国对待世界的方式上。 The problem actually lies in the way the United States deals with the world. It is contradictory to want to maintain its own interests, strengthen ally control, and grasp the world order. Maintaining its own interests is essentially isolationism, America first. If it treat allies fairly, then it should not fear Europe's independence and autonomy. In the 90s, it should have agreed to Russia joining NATO, allowing Europe to be independent. As for the world, the United States' approach is to profit on any opportunity. I quite like the song 'We Didn't Start the Fire.' Maybe it really didn't start the fire, but when there were just sparks and smoke, starting to fan the flames made no difference. Toppling democratic governments for interest has also been done. This contradicts the values it preaches. Therefore, for China, becoming an ally of the United States is no different from becoming a puppet state, as the U.S. does not even allow Europe to be autonomous. "Being America's enemy may be dangerous, but being america's friend is fatal." The process of freedom and democratization should be something that can be done after becoming one pole in a multipolar world, otherwise, it is just opening the door to invite thieves. When country been democratized before it can control its environment. On luckiest chance, it could experience the Southeast Asian financial crisis; if unlucky, it cloud experience the Arabic color revolutions.

[@reubenmarfo9855]

NATO was created in 1949 primarily as a response to the security challenges posed by the Soviet Union's growing influence and military presence in Central and Eastern Europe after World War II. The alliance was formed against the backdrop of the emerging Cold War, which saw the world divided into two major ideological and political blocs: one led by the United States and its Western allies, and the other by the Soviet Union and its satellite states in the Eastern Bloc. NATO was created to counter the Soviet Union, so why would we allow Russia to join?

[@ARolls-dd2zd]

China is holding it's own. At the end of WW2 they got UN veto powers. Now they have dramatic growth and developing international conglomerates. Always a force to wrestle with and learn from.

[@Soulcleansing23]

From an American, Well said. I don't agree with many of the policies in the background of this country. The majority of civilians aren't benefiting from the squeeze of other nations, because we feel what you guys feel. The question is, if another country was in control here, how much smoother would things be? We won't know in this century.

[@NeroXing]

@@Soulcleansing23 "we feel what you guys feel"🎉 I think human being has a common sense of feeling. Besides some cold blood psycopath, most of us don't like disorder, would be sad after knowing a tragic. We all want to be safe, and love the freedom. But my safety and freedom couldn't been established on the cost of yours. Vice versa. Therefore, profiting on squeeze other countries is immoral. The million dollars question is why there are needs for a country in control? Is the US hegemony the main force of keeping peace? I think the cold war proves that the nuclear deterrence is the main force. Maybe corporate America is squeezing not only other countries but also common Americans. Don't you think during the cold war, ordinary americans get better pay, higher life standard? Because there are competitions between US and USSR. That's how US gets internet and apollo. I think our countries competing on AI and aerospace is a good thing. You can do sanctions, trade war, or whatever you want. We will keep developing. But stop maddling our internal affairs and preaching the world about democracy. If American democracy really work, we won't have to see US wasting its hegemony on war of terror. We want to figure out the achievement of democracy on our own ways.

[@Soulcleansing23]

@NeroXing you have a piece of the picture from the common American's standpoint. Yes. We are squeezed dry then more. So I do understand China's frustrations, but it seems as though all disdain from China is aimed towards ALL Americans. And all Americans are not the problem. The rulers in charge with their policies that aim to control and enslave the world however, are the problem. By all means, all individuals that have "power" and can make executive decisions that can change the world, fight it out amongst yourselves. This is the game of chess that the common people do not want to play. Leave the common citizen out of this because we are the victims of your fun little game of control. It is obviously reinforcing because it keeps occurring! And its all about finances really. And what is money? Nothing. This is the same as history. And as we know, history repeats. Humans have always aimed to use, extort, and control others for milleniums. It's in the DNA, it'll be baffling if collectively we figure out any other way. I do not condone the way the leaders of the USA micromanage everything. but if it is not this country, then it'll be another doing the same for better or for worse. All things have a beginning, middle, and end. Things ranging from a company's life duration, our own lives, and the rulings of a country. I'm not sure how things are going to be resolved. Because things are becoming even more twisted and conditions are not improving. I do appreciate your time openly expressing your thoughts and viewpoint. It is good to see both sides to a story.

[@Cle44139]

Am I the only person that gets excited when we get a significant, thoughtful and hair-down conversation with Jake Sullivan? This is great. Thanks CFR.

[@GeoScorpion]

LOL! If you want hair down with Jake Sullivan, it will have to involve Bill Maher and a couple of doobies in the VIP suites, first... and then you'll have to subscribe to see Overtime.

[@NicolasSauveur]

Probably. Most reasonable people are horrified at this guy's worldview.

[@GeoScorpion]

@@NicolasSauveur His worldview? What is his worldview? His worldview seems to be whatever his boss's worldview is whether it is Biden, Trump, Obama... He's a career diplomat. I doubt even his wife knows what his worldview is.

[@MotherEarth573]

Why not be real friends instead of imaginary foe

[@sword7872]

They are trying their luck since they don't like to be in the second place for richest country.

[@lijiang9399]

It’s immensely impressive to see the clarity of the speaker’s mindset and accompanied policy options. An enormous successful story career wise. One brutal reality of an uneven bilateral relationship is that the stronger side got it’s wanted most of the time, but the balance is undeniably shifting.

[@pixel7694]

Blah blah blah..

[@brianlowe3529]

Blah are you with. Us or them 😂

[@Anna18yang]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@jimbopeebles8210]

It’s nice to hear level headed dialogue about this relationship. So much of the discourse is littered with hyperbole, rhetoric and disinformation in online spaces. It is clear that AI and other technologies have been levered to distort the reality of a mostly cooperative yet sometimes contentious competition

[@rajakegelapan8498]

This is like a rich boss, who saw that his poor workers were now getting richer, and started his own business and outperformed his boss. The boss feels jealous and dissatisfied with why his workers are now more successful and live more prosperously than his family

[@nunyabusiness863]

Hang on are you trying to say that Chinese citizens are living better than US citizens?

[@WWLooi-js8rl]

The point is the "rich boss" has overstretched and lived beyond its means by intense borrowing. It's now living on multiple credit cards with an unlimited credit line, but there will come a time for reality check. Also, the aged, fragile looking boss has forgotten that the once poor workers were the descendants of a people whose country was the largest economy in the world for many times in the course of several thousand years.

[@MegaPapa8888]

divert attention from Ukraine-Russia war and Israel-Hamas wars?

[@jameschu512]

Sullivan's talk isn't friendly, more hostile than sincere.

[@ARolls-dd2zd]

That's my take. I mean you ban TikTok not a building relations move.

[@MrGanbat84]

This countries should be very stable and open minded with no hegemony. In that way rest of the world will be prosperous ❤

[@jtan4493]

Don’t believe what American say, trust what their actions really mean

[@wtsdarren9072]

With China the world is more balance than having just the Americans. That's how balance work in nature and that's how it will work in our human world. The time has come for us to make the world more sustainable with check and balance.

[@ARolls-dd2zd]

Excellent point. The Chinese seem to have branches by diplomacy and the US rather by force, rather ironic isn't it?

[@khurram4589]

Financial planning is like navigation. If you know where you are and where you want to go, navigation isn't such a great problem. It's when you don't know the two points that it's difficult!!!

[@anwiycti1585]

Fortunately we do have better leadership here😊

[@attackofthewindmills]

I’ve listened to Jake Sullivan’s talk in this video as well at the WEF. Now, you have to combine that with his background and effectiveness. 1st- he was a very effective speaker at the WEF even if it was causing jaws drop because he was speaking at a position of power. By now, the other countries would have thought we would be on decline. 2nd-very diplomatic in speech but tough in body language. Evidence by his stance against this “New Order” stuff and the desire for them to prop up China. 3rd- he understands that the effort has always been to undermine the US with an unfavorable model in a multilateral world-which assumes the middle class are incapable of things-however when you dont employ and engage them then you are only going to be accustomed to the inflexibility of the old world order that is being rebranded as something new 4-he understands what America’s path is going to be decisive and we are definitely flexible and already capable. 5-Bilateral abroad but bipartisan domestically 6-there are many points that is implied in other area but I need to comment on a few and this is to recognize the importance of not what “Jake” is saying but the principles ..as my cat jumps on my iphone. gtg there are very strong fundamentals that are being employed and that is important for America to understand and it has to do with the new generation of resistance all across the world that wont be stopped by an old world order as old as 100 years people in this mold needs to be in the next administration no matter which side and establish fixed tools to hand it off to many future ones if anything by use of culture of a modern realistic American patriotism- because in the future our enemies will attack this aspect in order to undermine America’s structure

[@smalltownvoice1]

25:20 Setting aside the talking points, talking points from the US, China never has any talking points. China is about business. The US is all about talking points.

[@ARolls-dd2zd]

😂That's a cultural difference I'd say, funny you mention it.😊

[@josetavares9573]

Council on Foreign Relations Good Morning and greetings to you all. This is a great British Organization.

[@phillee8666]

I noticed that Mr. Sullivan's shoes are pretty old. Did he wear the same shoes for the meeting with Chinese FM?

[@lifeinme3472]

Why do I feel that finally US realized its primtive mindset and approach to handle China/US relationship not successful.. US has become more civilized thanks to China?

[@FredLiu-zg8rz]

If the US cannot treat China as an equal partner with respect, and would only accept a US win almost in everything, it is doomed to fail. We sincerely hope that leaders of both China and the US can sincerely work together and address the problems that we face today. Unfortunately very few Americans understand China today, which has led to its ineffective policies/strategies Re China.

[@georgelee1314]

He said - China wants to catch up and surpass United States. - [. if that is the case, then you should tell the country, the administration and its people to work harder and not let China to catch up ] - if you do not want others to catch up with you.

[@kenwong4182]

China is already ahead of the U.S. in 5G, renewable energy, high speed rail and supersonic missiles. The U.S. cannot even build a decent and safe airplane. The country is in bad shape since it started the trade war with China, don’t believe me, just talk to an average American in the street. Everyone is complaining about inflation, high interest rate, homeless people, immigration issues, aging and failing infrastructure, on top of that the country is in huge debt that it can never dream of paying back. You have to be pretty out of it to think the U.S. is better than China.

[@kennethkong5484]

What bias conclusion . Why only American view. Why not China / US speakers to hear China’s side.

[@ARolls-dd2zd]

Obviously they don't care.

[@arbentashko7005]

National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan, looks to me, has a great balance of reasoning and feeling in an optimal way about what He is talking about and this increases his ability to persuade me as a great personality that measures objectively and evaluated all components of the subject He is analyzing.

[@CO8848_2]

Highly intelligent policy framework for dealing with China

[@marttivallila]

This young guy talks fast and says very little. I am reminded of a high school book report. Can’t believe he is the national security advisor. Also, can’t believe who he’s advising.

[@miker3298]

No substitute for real Diplomacy driven by peaceful trade instead of war profiteering.

[@ShirleyPeterson-sv5yv]

Hello mike I’m Shirley. Do you care for a chat if you don’t mind?

[@philip7415]

the most weird thing is the council of foreign relations itself never take time to read most peoples comments here to understand how people view and comment on the relation

[@albin2232]

China is the least of US problems. Drug addiction, homelessness and shocking homicide rates to name just a few. Your country is dying. Have you not noticed?

[@zhuangdavid5037]

Folks in US need to improve their living standards across the board,. not just low incomes and middle class. With homeless so prevalent, raising pity crimes and gun violence in schools and in public places, Wall Street riches and Hollywood stars are suffering too. With homeless camps lining up on downtown streets, how could anyone feel good to conduct serious businesses and cultural events! Physical safety and having an enjoyable living environment are basic components of living standard

[@garry6822]

Why do the intellectuals give this guy any respect knowing he has gotten us into two wars?

[@jtang8768]

Such a sugar coating speech, well done, Jake boy!

[@GeoScorpion]

Yeah. If only Wolf Warriors knew how to use silverware and wash their hands before a meal. Maybe take a shower now and then.

[@edtoh3754]

Full of bullshit 😒

[@李之允]

Exactly, totally bullshit.

[@koyamani]

Wooow. Just wasted an hour. How did this man become the top US diplomat. Unbelievable

[@Amyyao-z1s]

He is smart, giving people what they want to hear while dodging the bullet, but he lacks personality and attitude.

[@capitalist4life]

CCP shills all over the comment section… their English is absolutely adorable

[@filmawayvlad]

Impressive and I mean it.

[@vikramnandakumaran2434]

Just take care of your own country and leave the rest to peace

[@starfish253]

This is after his 3-day meeting with Wang Yi in Bangkok? At least it sounds like US is trying to dampen the situation a bit

[@hydrazine19]

The hat-tip by Hadley, who also held Sullivan’s post, was classy and reminds us of our times. These are difficult problems. I’m glad the KZbin commentary pundits, myself included, don’t get a day in his job.

[@afterglow5285]

The chips act will fail miserably

[@donkeychan491]

The FT already published an article saying the West has to prepare for the coming flood of Chinese chips!

[@glialeague]

Because of lacking skilled workers due to failing American education.

[@iceteazen]

@@glialeague they are occupied by gender studies

[@rollyfolly2147]

America is supporting One China Policy, but at the same time supporting Taiwan to become independent. Am I confused or is he 😮?

[@ougmass]

This question is for anyone who care to answer on the US Government side or on its behalf The International Court of Justice has stated that based on prima facie evidence, it is plausible that The Israeli Army might be commiting the crime of genocide in Gazza, such crime is provided for in the United Nations convention agreed to by both the US and Israel, first question do you agree with the factual findings of the ICJ, secondly, if your answer is yes, what are the obligations of the US, if any, as consequence of such Court findings? Third, if the US has no such obligations, would you share your reasons for such denial of obligations? This questions are also based on the American people's values of humaan rights, and justice, enshrined in the American Costitution, justice sytem, and most importantly American hearts and utmost consideration. Thank you

[@Thinklikeeconomist]

An intelligent, pragmatic, and open-minded individual who has earned respect from both sides. If China has compelled the US to invest heavily in high-tech and renewable energy, then China can be considered a friend. Not every Chinese believes the US is approaching termination, just as not every American subscribes to Francis Fukuyama’s projection that the American liberal democratic system represents the end point of history. Fair and controlled competition can enhance productivity on both sides. Without such competition, there’s a risk that the US might focus its efforts on non-productive or hypothetical issues, akin to metaphorically digging and then refilling a hole. This has happened in Afghanistan, Iraq, and not so long ago in Vietnam. With a respectable competitor watching, America cannot afford and, hopefully, will not continue to make irrational decisions. Maintain contact, eschew ideology, avoid smears from either side, converse like adults, and think like economists. Sullivan is the bridge to connect both sides.

[@NicolasSauveur]

open minded ??? earned respect ??? I am laughing right now

[@spiritofgoldfish]

Mainstream ideology has twisted the meaning of "free market" into the opposite of what the classical economists like Adam Smith intended. The classical economists defined a free market as free FROM economic rents (unearned income), extracted by feudal landlords. The classical role of government is to keep natural monopolies in the public domain and tax away economic rents to use it to lower the cost of production. This is done through subsidies for such things as public infrastructure, education, and health care, not raising the cost of living and therefore the cost of labor, as with neoliberal monopolistic privatization. Mainstream Austrian and Libertarian Chicago School neoliberals have no role for the government in the economy, leaving the market free FOR economic rents, extracted by monopolies and the banks (FIRE, finance, insurance, and real estate). Because the economy does not stay out of government, the result is rule by the rentier oligarchy, otherwise called feudalism. These two approaches, industrial capitalism and financial capitalism, are what the new cold war is all about, and it is the story of financial capitalism sucking ever more life out of once vibrant US industrial capitalism. “It is suggested that the tipping point for being a rentier economy is when 40 per cent of income comes from rent. Even if just interest and dividends are counted as rent, the USA is already at that point.” Standing, Guy. The Corruption of Capitalism (p. 114). 2016

[@TikkyTakMoo]

33:05 just thinking that

[@aredtomato8957]

My grandma can lie better lol.

[@johnchou8298]

有翻譯嗎？

[@howidaalyan6005]

Please I hope from USA Republican party 2024 to return furure USA & China relations because to keep peace & security & sovereignty rights in the world

[@ЧебурекНутеллович]

В последние годы мир стал свидетелем изменений в геополитической картине, которые не оставляют равнодушными ни страны, ни общественность. Одним из самых ярких и значимых событий стало перенаправление внешнеполитического вектора Соединенных Штатов с других стран НАТО в сторону налаживания отношений с Китаем. Этот поворот в политике американского правительства вызывает многочисленные дебаты и споры как на международной арене, так и внутри самой страны. Почему США решают пересмотреть свои приоритеты и обратить внимание на Китай, игнорируя традиционных союзников в лице стран НАТО? Одной из причин этого изменения можно назвать стремление американского правительства к налаживанию более конструктивных отношений с Китаем. Эти две крупнейшие экономики мира имеют огромный потенциал для сотрудничества в различных областях, начиная от торговли и инвестиций до сотрудничества в области климата и безопасности. В условиях глобальных вызовов, таких как изменение климата, пандемия и технологическое развитие, сотрудничество между США и Китаем может принести плоды и принести пользу всему мировому сообществу. Однако, несмотря на позитивные аспекты пересмотра внешнеполитического курса, есть и опасения и недовольство в некоторых кругах. Страны НАТО, которые долгие годы были тесными союзниками США, могут почувствовать себя оставленными на втором плане и лишенными поддержки со стороны американского правительства. Это может привести к ухудшению отношений между странами НАТО и США, а также к усилению напряженности на мировой арене. Таким образом, перенаправление внешнеполитического вектора США с других стран НАТО на Китай - это сложный и многогранный процесс, который требует внимательного анализа и обсуждения. Важно найти баланс между стремлением к сотрудничеству с новыми партнерами и сохранением традиционных союзов, чтобы обеспечить безопасность и процветание не только для отдельных стран, но и для всего мирового сообщества.

[@ARolls-dd2zd]

Redirecting the foreign policy to China while preserving NATO alliances, hmm, is that what's happening?

[@samueljeffries8671]

Jake is a boss, one of the greatest of his generation.

[@zhinan888]

Really?

[@donkeychan491]

A bit of a vacant and vacuous airhead but, yeah, by American standards probably a towering intellect.

[@orangemanbad]

Dear CFR leaders. The people are on your side with China. To keep the people on your side need to bring and keep a manufacturing core.

[@ericli2936]

So professional 🎉 Jake is growing on me for next generation leader.

[@NicolasSauveur]

Please no

[@ericli2936]

@@NicolasSauveur you don't think he's okay?

[@avrumehrlich]

The winning framework includes an Israel, U.S, China and Saudi Arabia axis of cooperation with a Gaza Constitutional Entity for peace and prosperity to co-develop a Special Development Zone and Mediterranean- Red Sea Canal for global transportation and energy routes

[@robertbucks1721]

China has its own right to protect its own interests. If US wants to protect its own interests, US should act under the name of US itself. US shouldn't acquire its interests under the name of international order, because China is part of the international community. Under the umbrella of the international community, it is fair that China has its own words and position.

[@dolanl8377]

Unfortunately, US order is the international order for them!

[@ImranChanna-g9w]

3:29

[@屋檐]

When the United States is no longer number one in the world, with a significant decline in the standard of living, economic collapse, and on the brink of civil war, can it still speak of the world with such a tone?

[@donkeychan491]

The most advanced chips are not only not "crucial to the military" they are totally and utterly irrelevant since they aren't used! How can anyone take this guy seriously if he spouts such uninformed rubbish?

[@BrotherYen]

祝福高層领导們和您們的國民.平安健康快樂.謝謝大家.

[@laylowstaylow]

The problem is not between China and US, is between CCP and US...

[@aleckghost2013]

sullivan is out of his depth and clearly very underweighted

[@isabellaliu8409]

Appeasement can’t really avoid conflict!

[@byhyew]

No, but it can delay conflict. Till China is stronger and can uphold justice against American aggression.

[@j7j7j7j7x]

If Ukraine is an indicator of competence, perhaps better for all for Jake to stay far away from China.

[@j7j7j7j7x]

History will not look back kindly on this kind of strongarm foreign policy, even if the US wins total dominance.

[@duinay3]

I think the days of the US questioning China about human rights should be either outright dismissed or just get laughed out of the room, considering the US total support of a massacre in Palestine 😂

[@ARolls-dd2zd]

Not to mention banning TikTok that the younger generation are so endeared to.

[@answerwu2011]

summary up: 1 China is bad 2 US is good 😂😂😂

[@aredtomato8957]

Wrong US is good. It should come first because of American exceptionalism and the US has to be numba 1... 😂😂😂

[@tomchen513]

At the personal level, I like Sullivan better than Blinken; the secretary has been rude, arrogant and aggressive, who has no faith in non-interference at all.

[@ARolls-dd2zd]

Oh Blinken's not that bad, but maybe he should take his gorgeous wife with him or Matthew Miller when visiting the Arabs, he might do better.

[@johnhoward6393]

Roosevelt had Harry Hopkins and Biden has Anthony Blinken and Jake Sullivan.

[@VangelVe]

Why is Sullivan out of jail?

[@zhuangdavid5037]

Actually, Americans including many politicians and vocal social elites, have a lot to learn about China and various aspect of Chinese civilization, not only help solving many domestic issues currently so severe in USA, also Daoism and Confucius thinking to solve so many conflicts and wars in the world,. also reposition USA with different kind orientation, other than Monroe Doctrine mentality which is still so strongly believed by people in US administration and congress, as part of their proud past and guidelines for modern world

[@robgronsky4466]

Dont disagree about much of America having a lot to learning from Chinas civilization but the Communist Party has a great deal to learn about Democracy. Governance is complex.

[@zhuangdavid5037]

​​@@robgronsky4466true, there are lots of things to learn from USA at people level as well many aspects of political system

[@zhuangdavid5037]

Unlike Europeans, folks in USA didn't have similar experience of equal and peaceful exchanges with Chinese civilization, which benefited European civilization in many ways, such as silk making, porcelain making, paper and printing technologies, not to mention gun power and compass

[@talkinghand122]

China's old civilization is not the same as today. The CCP is a different animal.

[@QuantumEcofarm]

Whatever you said only last a term of presidency. Problem with western democratic countrybis lacks of consistent long term policy. Ruling party only interested with short term interest personally, not for the country as a whole.

[@martine2al]

Jake is intelligent and trustworthy! Cannot imagine the Biden's administration without him.

[@xywang1030]

Is this video original or deep faked?

[@Erik-rp1hi]

"intense conversation on the war in Ukraine". Does that define out as China blames the West for the war? If so it will be hard to see eye to eye on anything with the PRC.

[@antoniopacelli]

Considered Global Happenings if they could Replace Secretary of State and Counterterrorism Agencies with Something Else more Effective and Affordable would be I think More Sustainable.

[@ll-io4bd]

He is too young to deal with these important and completet issue. He makes Biden massed up everything since the adimi started😂

[@tonymudau3005]

For the US, its a matter of pride!!