The Gilded Age T Thomas Fortune | "Black" Publisher Who Hired WEB DuBois

[@TisHotMessHistory]

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[@rbailey3309]

As a history buff, I was not only fascinated by T. Thomas Fortune's story but also impressed by your narration and presentation. This is your niche! Great reporting!

[@sherlynnharris1710]

Thank you for this information. I teach history at the college level, and I have taught about T. Thomas Fortune. Because of your research. I am inspired to dig a little deeper into the lives of the women and wives of historical figures, who often, were listed simply as Mrs. T. Thomas Fortune, for example, thereby losing them in most historical narratives,

[@TisHotMessHistory]

You must be a really great teacher! I think that it's wonderful that you're going to find out more about the women. We need that knowledge. Thank you for watching. Thank you for teaching history!

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@@TisHotMessHistory Thank you so much!🙂

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[@sherlynnharris1710]

@@TisHotMessHistory Absolutely!! Documentation of your sources brings your story full circle. I haven't seen any other Content Creator do this. Well Done Ms. Ti!

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​@@sherlynnharris1710YAY! My parents will be so proud of me. 😂😂 Thank you for your kind words.

[@AuthorLHollingsworth]

Unfortunately, I've never heard of him. During Black History Month, more of our people need to be discussed. Thank you 🙏🏿 Cool story. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

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[@TisHotMessHistory]

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[@eshim3961]

I still don't understand how I missed so many of these videos when they first came out, but I'm considering them a surprise treat in the new year. Excellent video as always!

[@lindam4006]

Amazing job! Thank you for your hard work on this one! It helps me understand my ancestors better. I had ancestors who lived during the gilded age who looked similar to Mr Fortune and in the same way had no issue about racial identity. I don't watch TV but I managed to reserve a copy of Season 1 at the library. Julian Fellows has his biases and blind spots, but his productions are interesting and entertaining. So glad you are doing research to set the record straight. Thanks again!

[@auntieeva4098]

Great story and narration, as always Ti!

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Thank you, Auntie Eva!

[@mochalattemiss]

First of all, I ALWAYS appreciate your spin on our history, and I want to really thank you for doing it. I know that it is a labor of love, but you are elevating the culture by speaking the names of people and telling their stories long after we have forgotten them. Great work! Now, let us discuss the race vs. culture thing. Phenotype isn’t Genotype, meaning that what we look like isn’t always what we actually ARE. While we get our genotype, meaning inherited characteristics from our parents/grandparents (their joint DNA), our phenotype (our physical characteristics can come from many generations of ancestors, and as such, is a crapshoot of different ways one can look, from hair color, to size of nose, to height and weight. Race is also NOT culture. I know that it may sound redundant to say this, but some of us think that it is, or that is should be (but trust me, it isn’t). You can be born looking like a black person (phenotype), but if you are raised away from black culture, you might not be recognized as being black by others who ARE in the culture. However, race in the United States is an even more insidious issue, because not only is Black ethnicity (race and culture together) made negative and pejorative by white supremacy (seen in the “one drop rule”, as if your blood is now “tainted” by the one drop or more of black blood that your inherited from your ancestors), but this has made whites who are the products of intermixing generations ago run for the hills when it is known that they have black ancestry. It is seen in America, even to this day, as a net negative for the person, and as such, it is rarely disclosed or acknowledged by the majority of whites. My DNA says that I am 59% African ancestry (various places: Nigerian and Cameroonian are the largest ethnic groups) and 41% European ancestry (French, Scots-Irish and Scandinavian being the most prevalent). That lone Cherokee princess that we were all told about was nowhere to be found in my DNA! I come from historically long-standing mixed-race families in both Virginia and Louisiana. I married an man whose family was Basque, from the southern border of Spain and France (but the Basques are neither of these ethnic groups but a separate one with their own language and culture) and Sicilian (from the island of Sicily, off the coast of Italy. Our son is 27% African from me, and 63% European (Basque, Spaniard, Sicilian, and North African/Middle Eastern-because of the Spanish and Sicilian history of being conquered by these Islamic countries in North Africa). All that having been said, this young man of mine of 25 is 100% Black American in culture and ethnicity. Why? Because he was raised by a Black mother, of course, in a Black culture-dominated 😅family, with food, traditions, viewpoints, and history that is African American. His father tried to run so far away from his own ethnic heritage and be “American” (more like (‘Murican”), that he had literally zero to share with him about these ancient cultures and traditions, because many recent white immigrants to the US try their best to purge themselves of European cultures, and uplift their Americanism, to the detriment of their own ancestry, and the denigration of the ancestry of others. My point with Fortune and others who were Civil Rights leaders is this: Black culture is not a monolith, and the culture of mixed-race individuals has always been challenging in Black culture because of the privileges afforded to them by their phenotype status. This is wrong, but we didn’t invent it, it was placed on us. However, it is a heavy burden, and not everyone carries it well, trust me. I very much appreciate what Civil Rights leaders did for our people (my Grandfather worked with WEB DuBois and A. Philip Randolph and mentored Dr. King), but alas, they are very human, had to live within the boundaries of their times (as we do) which shaped their responses to challenges and their priorities. We cannot successfully look at the 19th and 20th century with 21st century eyes (I know you know that), but I think more credit should be given them for pushing back on an oppressively murderous system that could have easily killed them and thrown their bodies into a ditch. They put their lives on the line, and the strain of that alone is enough to kill anyone. So coping however you do is normal, and as I said, not all can cope, and coping sometimes makes you a person that is not so nice to live with. I’m just saying that I lean toward giving people at least SOME grace in situations that I haven’t walked in, and truth be told, none of us reading this today have lived in those eras and had to deal with the harsh burdens of survival in that extreme world of white supremacy. You often do what you have to do, make alliances that are necessary (and maybe not ethical), and literally catch as catch can until things break and your people can get a leg up. I don’t fault them for what had to be done to further the cause, and yes, further themselves and frankly, emotionally survive in the process. They were, in their minds, literally holding up a people. I think I viewed objectively, they were doing that, and they DID do that. I simply want you and your readers to reflect on the difference between race and culture, phenotype and forced culture, and how it played out in the past (and why). We invented nothing of this system, so how can Fortune, or Washington or DuBois or King possibly be held responsible for it? They can’t…and we shouldn’t burden them with it. But we should praise them for their sacrifices, and honor their lives. Thanks so much for doing this piece on Fortune-excellent opportunity to learn and grow for all of us! You do excellent work…keep moving forward!

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Thank you so much for your compliment and your thoughtful comment.

[@lindam4006]

Love your perspective. Lots of food for thought. Just want to add: I'd like to think the human collective is maturing emotionally And intellectually. I think working on ourselves in this way is one of the best ways to honor those who came before us. And pass the torch on to a new generation. I love the hidden lessons in these historical deep dives.

[@RhondaRachel2003]

Thanks so much. This information was totally new to me, and I thought I was well-informed on Black history. You been truly a gem, and I will continue to support your channel on the regular.

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Hi Rhonda! Thank YOU for watching. I'm sure that you are well informed on black history, it's just that T Thomas Fortune is almost hidden away. Thank you for supporting my channel.

[@kathleenking47]

Eisenhower's mom was similar, but he wasn't caught as passing, not was she

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[@greymatters7039]

History needs to be told AS IT WAS. Thank you 🙏.

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Thank YOU for watching. I totally agree. We can't learn anything from history if we don't look at it honestly.

[@darnell49]

Hey Ti 🥰🥰🥰. 😂 Not the Ancestry black cutaway. Impeccable research ‼️Great storytelling ‼️I have truly learned so much, my eyes have been opened. The house does look stunning.👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 Excellent. Ti, you look so beautiful. Glad to see you on camera.🙏🏿❤️🙏🏿❤️

[@TisHotMessHistory]

LOL! I had to put that in here to make a point. If I just say 3% black, that's one thing. But showing 4% black on screen hopefully adds some perspective. Thank you for your beautiful compliments, Darnell. I'm so glad that you got something out of this.

[@Bizz2k]

I enjoy your style narration. Your diction has clarity and is well-paced. I also see your quip in the midst of delivery. Great storytelling. I'm W.African British born and enjoy world history. Thanks and keep up the work.

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Thank you so very much for your kind words. I love that you enjoy world history. So do I. I will definitely keep these stories coming for you.

[@sebastianf6499]

T Thomas Fortune is more Black than Queen Charlotte of Bridgerton

[@kathleenking47]

Both were though...queen Charlotte had at least 2 paintings

[@meliw4142]

You know this to be accurate, how?

[@LeRoyCrofton]

Maybe he wasn't ashamed of who he was. Not ever Black person who could pass chose to. The color Black is the one constant in the universe.

[@lindam4006]

I don't think it's fair to assume he could pass. I had ancestors with similar features and economic advantage who suffered all manner of threats and violence. Fredrick Douglas' autobiography exemplifies how white slave owners originally created the caste like distinctions that conferred a higher status to individuals who looked more caucasian. The one drop of black blood mentality was not optional, Or something to be played with.

[@kathleenking47]

However...there's whites, who didn't know, they had black grandmother's....

[@ReginaSchaffer]

Thank you for this video. I'm from Red Bank and there is a T. Thomas Fortune house, good to know more about him.

[@queenjohnson2770]

You are very intelligent and informative. Thank you ❤❤❤

[@crencottrell7849]

That man turned out to only be 4% Black in his DNA results...you're definitely a white man sir 😂.

[@a.leemorrisjr.9255]

No, he violates (assinine) 1 "blood drop" rule. He also "looks" more native than caucasian. The jokes on all of us, I could care less😂.

[@jessic3195]

I enjoyed watching thank you

[@shanimorse9095]

Excellent vid! I haven't started watching the series yet and just came for the history! One thing I will speculate on: I don't think it would be far off base to say that T. Thomas got a strong black identity from his father. Emmanuel was involved in politics and the AME Church. Father and son were also born into slavery. No doubt they saw people who were more phenotypically black in the same position they were in. Therefore a conversation from father to son may have been had that although their skin was white, they were the same as any other colored person and they needed to make sure that all colored people do well.

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Hi Shani! Thank you for watching this video, especially since you haven't seen the show. I suspect that you might be onto something with your speculation. Good point!

[@lindam4006]

Based on the oral history I collected from my ancestors who knew their ancestors who lived at that time (and photographs) I would say that racial hostilities of the day may have necessitated parent child talks, but the motives would have been safety and survival. And let's not forget the unfathomable numbers who passed for white if they could.

[@IvyLeagu]

Ti I love your videos because it brings all type of information

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I'm just finding your channel and enjoying your contents so much! I love the way you, Vet, your information, and the little hint of sass you have! Thank you so much for providing us with fabulous content! So glad I found you!

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THAT;S GOOD YOU HAVE AN " OBJECTIVE MIND " , WHEN IT COMES TO THESE SO CALLED , " CIVIL RIGHTS " , LEADERS , AND THANK YOU , FOR SHARING THIS STORY👍👍I'VE NEVER HEARD OF HIM EITHER , BUT IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO LEARN💡🤯💡🤯💡😄😄

[@darrellludlow]

Love your channel! So many interesting stories that are not talked about in depth elsewhere. And you don't just regurgitate the oft-assumed narratives. Thank you.

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Thank you so much! I hope that my video topics make up for the cringe intro on the other video. I appreciate your support, Darrell. I try my best to bring something fresh to this platform with every video. Thank you for appreciating that.

[@misschoklate2012]

This was fantastic. I love your videos , they are informative and I look forward to them. I really appreciated your delved in look on the guy who created Kwanza . 😃😃

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Thank you so much, Mss Choklate!

[@IvyLeagu]

Wow this video brings about all types of questions and assumptions. I believe that because of his lighter shade was favorable to his career. This would of been so different if he looked darker and had black features

[@shelleytremper5940]

Thanks Ti, this was fabulous!!

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Hi Shelley! Thank YOU for watching! I'm so glad that you liked it!

[@FLR1131]

I am a mixed race individual with a father who had very little black ancestry, but still identified as black, even though he could have easily passed.

[@AquariusNation777]

Race is a social construct

[@sparker7768]

True, true, and true. 🤷🏽‍♀️

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So is money

[@kathleenking47]

Exactly..and you never know, how kids come put

[@tonydipietro5553]

I’m learning so much watching your channel!

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Hi Tony! Well, I thank you so much for giving my channel a try! I'm glad that you're getting something out of it.

[@DanielleSamoneJohnson77]

Thank you immensely for this thoughtful video. So little shocks me anymore, but the thought of T. Thomas Fortune being born as a slave actually did give me pause. It reminded me of the beautiful white woman my grandmother had a portrait of on her wall. Just prior to my grandmother's death 9 years ago, in a state of dementia, she started talking to the lady as "Big Mumma." Big Mumma and the other white lady in the other portrait, "Mumma" were respectively her paternal great grandmother and her grandmother. Both women were born and lived their early lives into adulthood as slaves until emancipation. Ironically our was her mixed Native American and black maternal grandmother that brought the visible blackness back into her family lineage. The 1-drop rule is such that I should be considered Native American due to my great grandmother's grandmother being Native American. I have no cultural connecting other than what I experienced due to living in Oklahoma for part of my childhood (not anywhere near my family's historical lands in VA). With the 1-drop rule, though, I should have been raised on a reservation. Thank you for sharing your time, energy, and creativity through these videos. Blessings 💐

[@bronzeone752]

Brilliant as usual, Ti. Thanks for all you do to educate. I share REGULARLY ❤!

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Thank you SO much for sharing my videos. That helps me so much and I appreciate you.

[@bluphirre]

Thank you for pointing out Mr. Fortune’s features and skin tone that may have helped him navigate in a space that a darker skinned black man with Afrocentric features would probably not have. Similarly, like the Gilded Age, the movie Till darken the skin tone of Emmett Till’s mom. It is unclear why Hollywood chooses to do this. Love your videos. Check out the book “King Leah” and the Gilded Age by Elizabeth Drexel. The Drexel name is dropped throughout the Gilded Age.

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Thank you for watching! I've never seen Till. I'm honored to read that you love my videos. I've read the book. It's King Lehr and the Gilded Age. The Drexels are one of the oldest NYC families. I'm sure that Julian Fellowes is going to keep dropping their names.

[@rebels42wynn83]

FANTASTIC PIECE, TI!!!! I LEARN SOMETHING WONDERFUL FROM THESE STORIES BECAUSE OFN YOU.🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Thank you so much, Rebels!

[@lilpaulettenthegang7869]

I really love this channel. I don't usually comment bc I watch on my tv. I need to spread this info. Thank you for your service as a content creator. Im a content creator on here as well. I hope you don't mind me reviewing your video? ❤

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This is good, You do good work

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Thank you so much!

[@shebacastro4729]

Thank you for highlighting the real people in the tv show

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Thank YOU for watching, Sheba. I have a new one coming out today or tomorrow that highlights the church where they had Easter service.

[@Saramarie202]

So interesting!the story of my great grandfather Harry Pace was featured on an NPR radio lab series last year that ties in with this time in history and it is fascinating to learn more.

[@bladeowens]

i would have never heard of him until the guilded age

[@mizzobjectiveone3819]

Perhaps it's time to reclassify every "black" person in history the shade of a paperbag and up as "Multiracial" and change "black" history month into "Multiracial history month." It will definitely limit "Black" history to 2 days.

[@MultiSmartass1]

I certainly understand a T Thomas Fortune in a basic way as a former journalist and mixed race person myself. I dont agree with his financial opportunism in regards to Booker T Washington and his rather cavalier attitude toward his personal politics. That goes against my personal ethics and standards. Still i have sympathy for the man's latter life and feel sorry for him. Fortune is one of the little understood, forgotten mixed race men in US history.

[@TisHotMessHistory]

I wonder why he is mostly erased from history. Like you, I don't agree with his actions where Booker T was concerned.

[@evamcrimmon3647]

Thank you. I love your channel.

[@Plagius8]

I love this. Show. I've been waiting for 10 months.

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Me too! I'm so excited that it's back tonight!

[@JuliahistoryLover]

I’m so in line with you with other types of rights organizations or non profits. They are organizations that don’t always align with you, but they have their own agendas I’m not sure if I articulated that correctly but all the right movements that I have followed I found that I don’t agree with a lot even if I do agree with some of what they stand for

[@JillASim]

Excellent, thank you.

[@RobinClark-uu7zq]

Thank you so much for your hard work in researching all the information you present. I especially appreciate that you cross-reference it and if it isn't collaborative you don't post it like with his "mother's" picture. I am hooked and bing watching all your videos 😊

[@heffawtf150]

Wasn’t this back when the 1 drop rule was still thriving? I just started the video so maybe I’m jumping the gun.

[@jordana5570]

Thank you for your videos! You have a such a gift of retelling history

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Hi Jordana! Thank you so much for watching. Thank you for your kind words. I really enjoy telling these stories.

[@jostoney6501]

I just wanted to say how wonderful this video was. I live out here in the southwest and in Tombstone back during the same time as the gilded age The Ladies of the night were very popular and highly in demand. When I first arrived here I would hear stories about the different saloons, theaters, and the red light district. Of course the red light district was the most visited and popular back in mining days out here. But they say that the most highly regarded popular in these establishments were women of mixed race, Afro-American race. They say that these women with their green eyes, long thick curly hair and beautiful olive skin, were so mesmerizing, exotic. Due to the fact that they were so few women of mixed race that would come here, these women were fought over and killed for. Out here in Tombstone there was always a place for mixed race😊 speaking of mesmerizing your voice is definitely hypnotic and your looks at it as well😊 thank you so much for sharing!!

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Hi Jo! Thank you so much for watching this video. I'm so glad that you enjoyed it. Thank you for sharing your Tombstone story. That's interesting and not surprising. I appreciate your compliments. Have a beautiful day!

[@kaleahcollins4567]

Ma'am the lightness wouldn't have made any difference because he is mother could have been black and he would have still came out looking like that

[@kathleenking47]

Look at kitt Shapiro..she only has earthas face

[@JuliahistoryLover]

Very cool! I am curious, though you mentioned in one video how you started doing tubes at 40, I’ve always wanted to do that as well, (also now at 40) to Talk about different historical things. Could you do a video on how you started and how you do it?

[@anastasiabeaverhausen516]

Ti, would you please do a video on Mamie Till Mobley? What strength and resilience she showed when those creatures killed her son.

[@Cobbmtngirl]

I’m here for the historical content. Ty!

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Thank YOU for watching!

[@mommabear887]

Genetics are crazy, my ex father in law looks just like that first man. My son's father I knew was like 1/2 native American, and some in my family have really curly hair(when i tease my brother i call it his jew fro). My son is 6'2 at 15 with a blonde fro and darker olive tone skin all year round. He never sun burns and has blue eyes. He gets asked all the time if he's mixed black and white. But people don't realize how many natives were enslaved too. Even though they were more apt to run away and harder to break. There was mixing among the native, black, Irish and Scottish slaves.

[@lisac1364]

I absolutely LOVE you & your KZbin’s!!!!! Please keep them coming because they are very entertaining & VERY informative & interesting…you are the best!❤️

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Hi Lisa! Thank you SO much! I truly appreciate your support. I will definitely keep them coming. I'm working on the story of a 1920's doctor who was NUTS! I'll have that ready for you later this month.

[@wendywindsor3459]

Really enjoy all the research you do to bring us such interesting stories. Love your perspective on racial and social issues of that time.

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Hi Wendy! I really enjoy sharing these stories. I'm thankful for people like you who appreciate them. Thank you for watching!

[@TheMMFamily9]

❤😊 catching up , i love your deep dive ❤😊

[@MultiSmartass1]

As a writer and former journalist,the article you cited here is interesting from a historical perspective in terms of how newspaper articles are written. It had the kind of prose and style you might find in fiction say a short story. Its descriptive in a conversational and somewhat literate way not in structured and shortened summary fashion of articles these days with clear attribution and distinctions.

[@mistylane4676]

Thanks!

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Hi Misty! Thank you so much for your generous gift to the channel!

[@TheMMFamily9]

Im going to share this one , im so thrilled your doing the Guilded Age deep dive , so much i did not know , yet , I have to disagree with you on the "black" washing in Hollywood and what you may not understand is an erasure of many a mixed .. i dont think mulatto is insulting , its history and clear and i think the need to want to somehow "erase" and rebrand to include too many , but that we can talk about another time , i love your channel 😊 this you know ❤️

[@ericajohnson2950]

If that girl is black what I'm I?

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Good question. I have the same question. LOL!

[@mariamitsios387]

😂 I was like what in the world is up with that girl?…

[@TheMMFamily9]

Ok 😂 what did the woman do 😂

[@johnvonundzu2170]

Wonderful true storytelling! Beautiful, detailed look into the man and his era. IMO you're doing much better work than Julian Fellowes who's capable of much flabby plot hole silliness IMO. There's something strange about the Carrie Fortune photo - her outfit with its pagoda sleeves and braided decoration is definitely from the early 1860s when Carrie was a small child. It would have been very, very odd for a grown, middle-class Carrie, in say 1885, to have herself photographed in twenty-plus year old clothes. Back then even the poor remade & updated their old clothes. Her hair also suggests 1860s. Are there other photos of Carrie to corroborate her identity? I'm thinking this is another person (her mother?). One more thing: WEB pronounced his name dooBOYS -not Dubwa don't ask me why - don't know.

[@paden1865able]

My dad hated color differential division; he taught me that we're people, not crayons. A person shouldn't be defined by their skin shade, but by the goodness of their heart.

[@nothx512]

It all depends on what country you live in....

[@zeepickens9049]

*Hi, @Ti! 👋🏾* *I'm new to your channel, I love History, and I love listening to people talk about various aspects of History. However, I would like to respectfully add that SKIN COLOR/RACE is very complex. My great grandmother (a New Orleans Creole) use to say LOUISIANA is a state where the BLACKEST people are WHITE and the WHITEST people are BLACK! So often my friends and I make fun of the 'othering' of the Creole Mentalities and the old New Orleans Octoroon and Quadroon Balls.* *Thank you for your indepth research, you're definitely a **#RockSTAR**✨⭐✨!!!!* 🏃🏾‍♀️🏃🏾‍♀️🏃🏾‍♀️🏃🏾‍♀️🏃🏾‍♀️ *Running to SUBSCRIBE to your channel NOW!!!!* 😊

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Hi ZeePickens! Thank you for giving my channel a try, and thank you so much for subscribing. I hope that you continue to enjoy it here!

[@zeepickens9049]

@@TisHotMessHistory *you're welcome! And I'm definitely enjoying your channel!* 📺

[@CaptRons18thcentury]

Very interesting video... I do not watch, nor plan to watch the show... but find the true history to be quite interesting... Thank You...

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Thank you so much for checking about the video, especially since you don't watch the show.

[@CaptRons18thcentury]

@@TisHotMessHistory well I watched the J J Astor video the other day, this one popped up in my feed… watched and subscribed… as a history nerd… I’m interested in various time periods… and not a fan of medias butchering history for entertainment… so I watch a lot of videos on shows I don’t watch… lol… any way enjoyed your presentation and subject matter… will be watching more…

[@TisHotMessHistory]

@@CaptRons18thcentury your comment made me laugh because the writers are certainly doing some butchering. Hahaha! That's why I like to share the real stories. They are better than fiction. Thank you so much for giving my channel a try and subscribing. Happy New Year!

[@CaptRons18thcentury]

@@TisHotMessHistory So true… as a reenactor and history buff, it is all too common with movies dealing with the American Revolution etc… and I do enjoy your perspective on things… and Happy New Year to you as well…

[@cadillacdeville5828]

Thank-you ❤

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Thank YOU

[@valeriehenderson4040]

I love history and enjoyed your program. Being mixed race myself, it was interesting to watch. Thank you for your research. I also enjoy the Gilded Age show, but enjoyed reading history of the Vanderbilts, Astors, etc. Even though discrimination of race is obvious, I found social prejudice just as interesting, since it was found among all races and still evident today as it was then and it seems, still acceptable. I lived in Houston for some time, but moved back to north east, miss Shipley's 😅.

[@hotandspicyc9891]

I find this very interesting. I read the book Passing Strange about Clarence King many years ago. I became very interested in this history. I'm glad some of the history is coming to light.

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Thank you for watching. I'm glad that you found it interesting. There are so many layers to it.

[@hotandspicyc9891]

@TisHotMessHistory Yes. And lost history that few people are even aware of. I love the history about the black women who became millionaire. People need to be reminded about history for hope of what is possible.

[@-savannah]

Great job Ti

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Thank you Savannah!

[@safiyyahthewise1]

It’s funny how they can cast whites that look real similar looking, but they couldn’t do it for T. Thomas, this isn’t the first time they have done this. I guess all blacks do look alike. 😟 They didn’t it to Whitney Houston and Nina Simone, meaning casted people who didn’t look like them.

[@AshaBlack-wy3ol]

Aunt Jemima is actually a personification of La Mamadama

[@larrybuchanan7161]

Nancy Green was the person who portrayed Aunt Jemima.

[@bigbangb3tty365]

Melungeon history is the most interesting... read or listen to Melungeon ansestors and enemies.

[@kaleahcollins4567]

None of the people that are playing characters that are supposed to be based on real people actually look like the real people even the white people the lady that supposed to be the Mrs Astor type lady don't look like Mrs Astor or the real Waldorf family . The girl playing Consuelo doesn't look like the real thing either, so what are you saying? Do you feel a need to point that out? 🤔 it's fictionalized characters based on real people

[@lisaheimbigner5481]

Can you do a story on Libby Holman torch singer& married r.j.Reynolds jr. Back in 30's, fantastic story, very juicy,,,,R.J. was heir to greaat to tobacco Winston/ Salem

[@mtmt88]

This inadvertently emphasize how irrational reparation will be. Folks who have no history of slave-owning, who may in fact be black, will have to pay for those whose ancestor may never have been slaves.

[@tsandunlimited]

You're gorgeous, thank you for what you do❤❤❤

[@TisHotMessHistory]

How kind of you! Thank YOU for watching.

[@Ace-sb4il]

Me and T Thomas Fortune from the same county

[@TisHotMessHistory]

How cool! Did you already know a lot about him?

[@Ace-sb4il]

@@TisHotMessHistory they didn't teach about him in school like that, but they taught us a little in church... And it's a sign commemorating him when you come into the county from the West....

[@Ytd719]

But I wholeheartedly agree with the bm whom used the culture for their personal success..

[@deborahbaker4770]

Why would they associate a Happy Black Woman With Pancake’s they aren’t just a black person’s food white people eat them too ‼️ I think when it come’s right down to it all type’s of food have different cultures and color’s of people who have probably eaten it maybe referred to in a different name but basically the same every culture has their authentic food and every culture tweaks the recipe to fit whatever culture is eating it. I think we all have some black in us somewhere in our family tree unless someone back in the family tree didn’t admit to it for one reason or another. His father was a very attractive man 😊

[@quintonfauntleroy]

Tell it!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Abbydiva31]

😂😂

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Oh Lordy. What part has you laughing?

[@TheRTM]

4% 🙄…🤨

[@janlundberg5924]

Not really "broken" english. Ebonics?

[@greymatters7039]

Thanks!

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Thank you so much for your generous gift to the channel, GreyMatters!