The Glaring Problem with Gaming Monitors - Dough Spectrum

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The glossy version of the Eve Spectrum 4K gaming monitor showed up and we had to find out not only which one we like more, but if this company has improved at all since the last product we got. Considering they changed their name to Dough before we could publish and some of the issues we had, maybe not so much...
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:39 PSA
2:21 Side by Side
4:10 Lights Off
4:55 Specs
5:50 Why?
7:50 Is Eve Trustworthy?
8:30 Issues
10:35 Conclusion
13:32 Outro

[@ZypherGames]

Regardless of Eve changing their name to "Dough" I would like to reiterate that no one should put any money into that company. I pre-ordered one of their 1440p240hz panels like 2 years ago (got refunded thankfully!) But they still haven't started shipping any of them! They started taking pre-ordered 3.5years ago for those! Meanwhile they went "here's a glossy screen does anyone want?".

[@darealcheezer9454]

I’m currently one of these “patiently waiting customers” you described.

[@nobody8717]

>I preordered. Found the problem.

[@puransu20]

yeah, i dont get why this company still gets coverage regardless of "muh glossy ips panels" when they have an abysmal track record. have seen so many posts online about people not receiving any products they ordered years ago.

[@dvrman123]

I'm "waiting" for it and i've already paid for the monitor entirely.... LG made a panel change and it caused them to go back to the drawing board... Driving me crazy...

[@puransu20]

@@Boodoo4You incredibly irresponsible of these youtubers to promote them even with the "caveats" they highlight in the videos when there's a high chance you dont even get a product when you buy from them.

[@zushiba]

The biggest problem with gaming monitors is that all manufacturers want to charge money for their products, and I don't have any of that :/

[@iulic9833]

You wouldn't pirate a gaming monitor

[@retroify]

Same

[@adrianafamilymember6427]

Crt their free just go down to your local e waste center and collect. Or local listings.

[@CodeVenomSnakes]

Haha poor.

[@soggycracker5934]

In the words of George Carlin... "Twenty bucks, is twenty bucks"

[@PaulMcQueen]

I ordered two of the Eve V all-in-one laptops from this company in 2018. I received one, and am still owed nearly $2,000 refund for the other after they offered orders to be cancelled due to delays. The device I received has faults that should have been replaced under warranty but they have flatly refused to honour warranty. There is no way a company that behaves like this - and continues to lie about it to this day - can achieve success. Take your dollars elsewhere. Even if you receive the product you pay for, don't expect any after-sales support if anything goes wrong.

[@softxpandguest708]

Doesn't surprise me - they're scammers. They refused to refund / RMA a *mouse pad* that showed up with shipping damage.

[@just4justincase]

Sounds like a skill issue

[@vanilh]

Ordered a V too in 2018 and still don't have the laptop neither my money back. They delayed the shipping date further and further so that cashback on your card didn't work anymore. When you contacted support, they told you the money is currently frozen they could not ship all units and you'd have to wait until they sell units again. Of course, until long they changed the company that handled their payments. Today, they don't even reply anymore. Well, wrote that 800€ off long ago and this teached me a lesson I guess.

[@dimepia123]

does anyone know what country they are based in?

[@notlNSIGHT]

@@dimepia123 Hong Kong

[@marc_alm]

Sigh, it never ends with this company. I tried ordering an Eve V way back in December 2017 before they showed their true colors, never did get my refund, and now they've changed their name again. Be very wary of giving Eve/Dough your money.

[@Ganbalf]

The downside to glossy screens: When the game is loading, and the screen is black.. You see your reflection, who you really are. The man who has chosen stagnation. No man deserves to see oneself in such a light.

[@liaminwales]

Also if your case is full of RGB next to the display you get a distracting RGB light show reflection.

[@BeHappyTo]

@@liaminwales simple fix, ditch the rgb

[@fynkozari9271]

@@BeHappyTo no way in heaven I would do such a thing. I would add more rgb in every piece of hardware inside.

[@godw1ll99]

when youre at the end of your "adult viewing" session and the screen goes black and you having nothing to look at but your own depraved face.

[@ismilehossain3588]

Especially me...

[@ChippyGaming]

If this company could sort themselves out I’d love to buy one of these until then it’s a hard pass

[@Kianyawn]

Wassup Chippy

[@MiIIiIIion]

Just saw your post about Red getting banned and thought I was losing my mind for a second.

[@b.5728]

beans

[@flarfo348]

its chippin' time

[@Mismter]

Oh shit, Terraria dude watches Linus?

[@Nightykk]

If we had glossy gaming monitors we'd be able to see our sad depressing selves slowly dying behind the monitor every now and then, an absolutely terrifying sight. That is why they're mostly all matte.

[@techboy2522]

3500+ languages but you chose to speak fax.

[@michaelchoi5247]

get your fucking shit together then, maybe it's a blessing in disguise.

[@TabalugaDragon]

yet phones most people arguably look way more often at are glossy.

[@Daniel_WR_Hart]

@@TabalugaDragon They don't queue for League of Legends matches on their phones though

[@TabalugaDragon]

@@Daniel_WR_Hart lol, so? people still have to read small text, watch videos and often play different games on a reflective screen, yet on phones almost nobody sees a problem. Yet a gaming monitor, that is only used indoors is for some reason a problem.

[@michaelmcmasters4123]

I'm glad people are talking about this. I went looking for a glossy monitor last year and couldn't find anything. Blew my mind because like you said, our TVs are glossy, our laptops are glossy, our smartphones are glossy. Why wouldn't our expensive displays be too?

[@TabalugaDragon]

correction, only like 1-2% of all *gaming* laptops are glossy. Try finding a glossy gaming laptop on the budget to mid-range market. There are exactly zero models. Only premium, over the top gaming laptops feature glossy displays, and even most of those are OLED which have tons of disadvantages over glossy ips.

[@chrisleate-bh7cx]

The EVE is glossy but it also doesn't exist. Only reviewers get them, it's not a real product. People should stop reviewing them.

[@DX88]

Because your face is closer to a monitor. And glossy monitors REALLY SUCK if you have open windows sideways from your monitor.

[@TechMasterCarl]

@@DX88 actually with a very strong light source you can't see anything on a matte screen because the reflection will cover 100% of your monitor

[@TabalugaDragon]

@@DX88 lol, phones have much smaller screens so no, you use them even closer to your face than a monitor.

[@tdvthereviewer]

It should be noted that (at least for me, by manually selecting the US region) the monitor is not ~$800, but rather an eye-watering $1099 for the glossy 4k 144Hz version. It changes the buying/not buying recommendation pretty significantly given their history.

[@denisruskin348]

Yeah 1.1K USD for what, like 16 dimming zones when the Samsung G7 Neo has over 1100. Definitely not competitive at that price point.

[@bok..]

Sure it didn't switch to cad from usd for some reason, that's all I can think of that would explain the price change

[@DimitriMoreira]

Get the Sony M9 for 899.

[@samtherat6]

At $1100, does it make sense to fork over the extra $200 for the Alienware QD OLED?

[@Zicrixdoesart]

And for that price, there is a (ViewSonic I think) mini-led, 1152 zone 165hz monitor that will perform much better

[@shanenickelson4937]

I personally prefer an eggshell finish because its scuff and stain resistance

[@dragonrider4253]

Someone watched his paint rant. Thanks for the laugh.

[@pinkocean310]

:D

[@brandon_nope]

EGGSHELL ON THE WALLS

[@Blacklands]

Let's see -Paul Allan's card- Linus's paint finish. ...Eggshell with Romalian type. _heavy sweating_ Impressive. Very nice.

[@MarluART]

I agree, satin's the best

[@mndlessdrwer]

One thing to remember is that a lot of displays that feature capacitive touch aren't able to be made in matte finish due to that finish impeding touch sensitivity or accuracy, so laptop displays with touch will almost always be glossy. One thing that I would like to see is more companies using higher quality anti-reflection and anti-glare coatings on their glass. Leica has demonstrated in some of their smartphone collaborations that it is possible to almost completely eliminate glare and reflections from glass through the application of appropriate coatings. I'd like for companies to invest more research dollars on doing this for their displays as well. Televisions, monitors, and even laptop screens and phone screens could benefit from additional coating technologies to prevent glare, reflections, and even oils from your skin being deposited on them. If you don't think the last one is an issue, try using some tempered glass screen protectors that lack an oleophobic coating. You legitimately HAVE to use a wet lens cleaning cloth to get the oils off of the glass. But the typical oleophobic coatings that most smartphones have aren't even the final form of that technology. You can still do better, though more research and development will need to be done to ensure that such coatings can improve performance without becoming either less transparent or more delicate.

[@Chipsaru]

I've applied matte film on top of touch glass panel of my laptop, touch feature works great, also no visible fingerprints is a plus, obviously - no reflections, but blacks aren't that deep anymore.

[@GrandHighGamer]

A glossy finish probably helps sharpness at such small display scales too, since the matte finish is there to scatter light. Which is fine if you're viewing from a foot and a half away, but not so much if you've got a phone a few inches from your face.

[@lars2894]

Well MacBooks are non-touch AND glossy, and their Mini-LED Anti-Reflective display is the best on the market.

[@mndlessdrwer]

@@lars2894 Apple generally has had the best displays on the market from a color calibration perspective. Even back in the early 2010's when I was buying my first laptop to go off to college they had the best looking displays. And now they have MiniLED tech which just makes them that much better. OLED-like performance with less risk of burn-in compared to the 1st gen OLED that many other laptop manufacturers occasionally offer in their products. At least Apple wants to give their displays a chance to live a while without burn-in, which is nice, given that replacement panels are basically unobtanium.

[@HunterOni]

Samsung did it on their s24 ultra

[@chrisleate-bh7cx]

The main problem with EVE / Dough Sepctrum is that they don't really exist unless you're a reviewer. I ordered one in May 2022. Nothing. They won't refund either, and if you live in the US or UK, you have no way of getting it back. They will just steel your money. That's it 1146 Euros on something that will never turn up. THEY ARE NOTHING MORE THAN THIEVES. That's it really.

[@nathan518]

The HDR grading in this video was phenomenal. Looked much better than the first HDR video you guys did a few weeks ago. Great job LTT video editors!

[@zzzpoma9961]

The SDR grading in this video was atrocious. Looked barely watchable. Great job LTT video editors!

[@beefmaster7]

So LTT is finally doing some HDR videos? I didn’t notice, and probably won’t.

[@bururei5844]

what, wtf

[@kidShibuya]

Its HDR? Sigh... I should be watching on my PC rather than this crap work mac which still doesn't know HDR exists.

[@uchihasasuke7436]

HDR looks like shit on my s20 and I can't turn it off :(

[@MrMartinSchou]

My guess is that in a normal office setting, having a matte display is preferable because the reflective glare from overhead lamps is less annoying. Especially if they're the florescent type. And if the majority of production of displays goes into office monitors, then there's a saving to be had by reusing those production facilities for as many monitors as possible.

[@BlackTearsYT]

Yeah I'm a bit skeptical even in gaming settings for certain people. I don't want to get distracted if I'm playing a competitive game by a bit of light from my RGB keyboard reflecting off the screen or any of the decor in my office that emits light. If I lost a target in the reflection even once, I'd be super annoyed. Obviously everyone's use case is different but I think the use case of matte displays even for gaming is pretty clear.

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

I don't know how you sit or position your monitor, but with general optics theory you shouldn't be able to see the over head lamps on your screen. In other words reflections of ones self or other lit up objects should be a bigger problem.

[@nerdstrangler4804]

I think it is just more a case of nobody really cares about color/contrast/sharpness etc. when staring at spreadsheets. So might as well use matte displays. But I think you right in that displays are primary designed for office work and it is probably just a cost saving measure to avoid having to redesign the display and retool the factory.

[@liuzhaoqi2003]

@@nerdstrangler4804 That tiny bit of sharpeners or contrast doesn't matter at all when you have a giant light reflection on the screen, and some time a ghost stare you right in the eyes.

[@nerdstrangler4804]

@@liuzhaoqi2003 Probably not. Although I am not sure why people would have giant reflections on the screen. That is going to look terrible regardless of how much the reflections are diffused. Most people try to position their lights/screen in a manner that avoids giant reflections.

[@abhiranjansharma]

Love these HDR videos.... Watching the same sets in HDR gives a whole different experience than SDR

[@sagetx]

Except on the video, the totally white excerpts are BLINDING. Yes the video is certainly better, but choices should be made in editing to avoid blowout.

[@WozLee]

I was around for the popularisation of flat panels, and I remember for a long time it seemed impossible to find one that didn't have a glossy screen. The market went the way it did for a reason, glossy screens suck. Yes it might seem brighter and more vivid when you're just looking at the image, however when you have to sit down in front of these things for hours upon hours every single day that glossy screen starts to become a real pain. Eye strain from your eyes focusing on reflections on the screen, dust and fingerprints and not mention the worst thing of all... blinding glare. Someone opens the window in your office on a sunny day? You can't see the screen, at all, and that holds true with everything else. That cool RGB feature on your headset? See how neat it is when it's constantly on your screen. I will take a slightly sub par image over endless irritation.

[@gimmy2294]

Glossy is not for office use, it's for man cave at home

[@Olivia-W]

Yep. Matte > Glossy for longer use.

[@daelra]

I personally hate glossy screens as I can never tune out refections if I see them

[@utkarshsingh545]

Love the fact that HDR monitor review is in HDR. Looks way better and I can honestly tell what they are actually seeing to some degree. Hope that this trend continues. Linus rocks

[@nathanmead140]

I do not, the video did not look good on my pixel 3a at 1080p and the display kept going past the brightness level I set in the OS (I keep my display brightness as low as I can to keep it from turning dark red like some of the other pixel 3a's I was seeing on ebay for more money than the one I bought with a good screen), I had to watch it at 1080p on my alienware M17X R3 so it looked better.

[@JxcksonSF]

I noticed that this vídeo has a lot of noise. You can see even on the windows wallpaper, that make no sense to me.

[@thecommenter578]

I hate it. HDR bumps my brightness to 100%. If I would like to see bright content I would increase brightness myself

[@jerrymarshall5365]

I know HDR mastering is very difficult and they have made many videos on it and how they want to try and bring it into their workflow. With that said, I have to agree with the other replies to this comment, I don't think their completely ready yet for mass distribution of HDR content, and as far as I'm aware, you can't disable it on the KZbin app

[@caramelldansen2204]

tfw my phone has HDR but my monitor doesn't... 2poor4hdr

[@sandwiched]

I'm 100% Team Matte, sorry Linus. I had a 43" 4k HDR1000 glossy monitor (Philips Momentum) for work (web development) and for gaming. The HDR was pretty nice, but the glossy finish made it a nightmare to use with any light source; I had to hang dark curtains over the window behind me. After 1.5 years, that monitor bit the dust. It was still under warranty, but that model of monitor was no longer available, so they replaced it with a close match: a matte, HDR400 43" 4K. Despite the loss in HDR intensity, I would never, EVER go back to a glossy monitor; the matte finish was a godsend, both for work and for play. Keep in mind, unlike most people, you are comparing two otherwise-identical monitors side by side, and seeing the more vibrant colors of the glossy monitor as preferable. But for most people, they won't have something to compare the increased vibrancy of a glossy monitor with. All they'll see is annoying reflections, or-if they were wise-the lack thereof. ;) We'll just have to agree to disagree. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@lovellcarr9031]

I agree. Also, on my curved monitor with a glossy screen, when there are dark scenes in games the reflection makes me very sick due to the curve

[@berni8k]

Yep matte is superior to my eyes too. Used laptops with glossy screens and they sucked.

[@Di3Leberwurst]

Yep shiny monitors are nice in a completly dark room or if you want to waste energy and burn your eyes out by turning the brightness up until nothing reflects anymore, which also doesn't work if you want to show anything dark.

[@256ElNino]

I agree. My last Laptop had a glare type display. As soon as there was sunlight (working outside or even behind a Window), is was basicly unusable. Never again.

[@colewelden]

Going from HDR1000 to HDR400 is where I feel like you got screwed. I also prefer matte to be fair. But an HDR1000 monitor costs a lot more than an HDR400 does. I desperately tried to find even an HDR600 for under 500 and just could not. I ended up with an Acer Predator X34GS with HDR400 and the lack of brightness makes me prefer to keep it in the DCI color space rather than HDR. That being said, Windows HDR has always been pretty subpar. As far as matte goes, you just don't want glare on a monitor you'll be in front of every day. Matte is definitely the way to go.

[@john_hunter_]

There is that moth-eye glass that removes a lot of glare. I'm surprised that monitors haven't started using that. The tech has been around for a while. I think the expensive model of the steam deck uses it but they called it etched glass. I think Linus even covered it in some old CES videos. Or even basic anti-glare like CRT monitors have would be great.

[@Scious]

Glad you finally covered it, I really hope we start seeing more options. Whites tend to look grainy as well. Glass on the front+flush bezels look/feel so much more premium as well

[@dumboy886]

I'm into there more being consumer choice, but I'm a mate person. Seeing my face back when interfacing with any dark mode ui is just not acceptable. I think TVs are okay because you're much further away, and you're not hyperfocused on some pixels. There's also the issue of focusing distance. If I look towards a glossy reflection, they'll be out of focus, my eyes adjust, and the screen is now out of focus. Mate screens aren't out of focus, they're just diffused, much easier for me to tune out.

[@monkeywithocd]

Exactly. Having a sharp reflection covering your display is far more distracting than a flat shape. Glossy *does* look sharper, but unless you're in a perfectly light controlled room I'm going to prefer matte any day.

[@dumboy886]

@@dontreadmyprofilepicture5552 How is this guy not just plain banned yet, everywhere. KZbin, sort your shit out

[@killertruth186]

I am for displays that looks good regardless of lighting level. But I preferred ones that doesn't reflect light.

[@LetrixAR]

@@dumboy886 they didn't break any TOS, its just annoying spam

[@orion10x10]

@@monkeywithocd I feel like a lot of gamers have a perfectly light controlled room for their rigs. I know I do and I hate the matte finish, my MacBooks screen is great why does my desktops suck?

[@BobSentell]

On the industry trend to not include display cables: start using the cheapest thing you can find on Amazon or Walmart and basing your review on that. Most consumers are going to do just that when they don't have a cable included so that activity should just be how they are reviewed. After a couple embarrassing reviews, maybe the practice will stop.

[@SivaKanthSharma]

That’s actually a good idea

[@retrosean199]

In my sample size of one, the last 3 monitors I bought included cables. So I don't know how much of a trend it really is!

[@Ocastia]

Is not including a display cable with your monitor even a bad thing? Because I do not use the included cable, and if I bought a new one I would continue to use the ones that I already have. Unlike not including a charger with a phone it doesn't seem like it is to bad.

[@TOMiX1024]

But should they include hdmi or dp? in a perfect world they would include a reversable hdmi to dp cable (dell does or did include a mini-dp to dp cable)

[@pranavkolluri]

@@Ocastia eh unless you have a massive collection of cables that logic doesn't really work... most people don't have high-end hdmi cables for examples, or at least ones that actually work

[@nadeemkhatak]

I remember in 2012 when I got my 21.5" 1080p monitor from dell with a glossy finish, it was so CRISP AND VIBRANT. Sure you have to see yourself every now and then at a completely dark loading screen but it was worth the tradeoff in my opinion.

[@Collin_J]

Haha same experience. Even with a max of 72 hz after creating custom image profiles it looked so smooth and crisp

[@SaturnTubes]

Hard disagree. Glossy screens are terrible. I’m constantly having to angle my phone to not reflect, and that’s impossible to do with your computer monitor

[@unkowndude649]

Uh I never had that oroblem you should probably choose your device more carefully lol

[@Hardolaf]

@@unkowndude649 My wife and I both have to do this and she has a latest generation iPhone and I have a latest generation Pixel.

[@unkowndude649]

@@Hardolaf and I have the latest generation of samsung and? You could try to increase screen brightness but maybe some people are just more sensitive to it than others as I never had to angle my phone.

[@b1oo71]

I loved the part where Linus said: “It’s Tech Tip Time.”

[@lam6786]

and then he tech tipped all over those guys

[@borowiczko]

@@dontreadmyprofilepicture5552 get a life

[@janemba42]

I always come for the tip.

[@Cowclops]

Does everybody know what time it is? TECH TIP TIME! "Hey Jake, I supercharged our servers! ARRR ARR ARR! MORE POWER!"

[@b1oo71]

Tip: tech

[@emmamitchell1582]

The difference to TVs ist that I do not just consume content or game on my PC. The monitor also needs to work for spreadsheets, browsing the internet and everything else. With a glossy panel you would have to constantly readjust how you are looking at the display to work around the reflections. For multipurpose, I think matte is better

[@JOHNY0]

I disagree. I only use glossy monitors for design work, internet consumption, etc and I never had an issue with having to readjust how I look at the display. I absolutely hate matte monitors, the reflections are much more distracting and everything looks faded and slightly bluried.

[@siruspan]

If someone buys gaming monitor to game on it then what :) I've bought 42 inch lg c2 oled tv and I much prefer glossy finish when gaming. It's not great as a productivity monitor for number of reason but as a gaming monitor it's stunning.

[@thisnthat3530]

Having used both glossy and matte displays over the years, I will never buy a gloss display ever. The lower contrast of a matte display is a small price to pay to be free from hard reflections.

[@Hacker7410]

I preorder my monitor 2020 I cancel it last December and now I just noticed they deleted my account I recreate in my account with the same email as previous account and there's no history of previous purchase currently I'm waiting for answers I send them an email but this is sketchy to me sounds like a scam.

[@Matoro2002]

additional consideration: glossy panels have a tendency to reflect the user's face in dark scenes, which can be pretty annoying (I have this problem playing on my nintendo switch undocked a lot)

[@pred4507]

I think its INCREDIBLE immersion breaking when i see my ugly face every time the screen turns black. Glossy is a no no.

[@Ant_105]

He mentioned it in the video

[@One21P]

Also a scary experience in Resident Evil 2

[@zacharypappalardo3789]

Unexpected jump scares

[@byavarsi]

They can still sell them if you aren't white

[@hankhillsdisappointedsigh]

We need more etched glass displays like the 512 Steam Deck. That is the perfect midpoint between glossy and matte. The light diffusion isn't nearly as aggressive as matte coatings but it blurs the reflections enough so that they aren't distracting are hard on the eyes.

[@jaju123456]

Probably mega expensive to do that on a 27” display or so

[@a-bomb3924]

just get the pro display xdr

[@Skylancer727]

@@jaju123456 hard to say as Apple is the only company doing it and they charge $1,000. But they also charge $1,000 for a stand so...

[@marcm.]

Absolutely I would be on board with this. But glossy... I hate that I can't find a matte quality TV that isn't glossy... Regardless of how bright it is I'm forced to turn the room it's in into a cave. But etch, that would be a very good option

[@extra4542]

why can't a mainstream manufacturer make a glossy monitor this feature complete with a minimal design?? the only reason i havent bought this is bc of how unreliable Dough is

[@NezzConstantine]

I've had Matte and Gloss screens. I will stick to Matte. The matte screen diffuse light and reflection across it, which sure it will cause a washout... but there will be nothing for my eyes to focus on in the reflection. Whereas a gloss screens reflection will cause me to focus off the screen and focus on what ever my screen is reflecting clearly, like trying to fight over what my eyes are trying to focus on. Gloss is just too distracting, no matter how much nicer it may look.

[@vivek_v]

Exactly. A localized and bright reflection, even if the rest of the screen is not affected by light, causes eye strain for me. I used an XPS 15 for about a year and a half, and going to a Precision 7760 with a matte display has honestly been the best thing ever. I barely need to adjust my laptop screen to avoid direct light, and in an office setting, I don't need to turn the screen brightness to max to overcome reflections, which also saves considerable battery life.

[@yeahwellfu]

I didn't expect this take from Linus about matte monitors. I'm on the opposite side, I don't understand why some/most laptops have glossy screens. I'm mainly a desktop user with 3-monitor setup with a Dell 2.5K 165Hz as my main. My ThinkPad also has a matte screen which might be one of the reasons I got it. If you sit on your computer 10+ hours a day, I think matte is a one-way street

[@TKIvanov]

My previous monitor was glossy (my current one would be as well, but sadly 99.99% of gaming monitors are matte..), used it for a bit over 6 years, never had problems, the fact it had a gloss finish was one of the things I really liked about it. I dont do the hours you mentioned but still.

[@falsemcnuggethope]

Yeah, the comment about most people using their monitors only for gaming once they get home felt weird after spending the whole day watching my gaming monitor. Matte displays all the way.

[@jimstonb3294]

Love that you guys keep coming with the HDR videos! And compared to the first ones this is way better, no jarring white boxes anymore 🙂

[@fairyball3929]

I don't remember if LMG's older HDR videos had any white boxes in them or not? 🤔

[@McCrackbaby]

Happy to see the return of the glossy finish. Age is a girl back in 2006 I had a flat panel monitor with a glossy finish from Samsung I loved

[@cosmiccats1174]

Personally, I'd much rather have a matte finish. I've had glossy monitors before, and all the reflections drove me crazy.

[@sullivandamn]

I have a Samsung G9, and I think if there was any light source behind me with a glossy screen, I think I wouldnt have eyes anymore!

[@arcticowl1091]

Well for touch displays it’s kind of necessary. If your phone screen had a matte coating, it would feel like trying to swipe sandpaper.

[@Spetz83]

@@arcticowl1091 the G9 is a gaming monitor that the OP is referencing, not a phone.

[@ConsiderateSloth]

@@Spetz83 re-read his comment.

[@arcticowl1091]

@@Spetz83 i read samsung and my brain just went "durr, smartphone", my bad.

[@sullychow4123]

I appreciate the honesty/empathy Linus showed with his review unit. There's most definitely backers who are still waiting for units they've been promised. I don't back things anymore as a result, it's an odd and troubling trend a lot of companies (and scams) do

[@SaturnTubes]

Honestly and empathy he did not show when getting graphics cards and processors are a fine when more people couldn’t get them. He’s kicking a horse while it’s down here but will never bite hands that feed him

[@krysin]

Ive had past glossy gaming displays and was much happier swapping to a matte display. Yes the glossy looked a tiny bit better to the eye, but i do game during the day, and i dont like gaming in a basement or in a room with no natural light so the matte is just superior imo.

[@mrducky179]

literally this, not all people live in rgb lit basements

[@Grishanof]

Even if I would sit in the basement, seeing my face reflecting in the black parts of the image is enough to break immersion

[@abadenoughdude300]

@@Grishanof Yeah, people underestimate how distracting lights/reflections/movement in peripheral vision is, and a glossy monitor is pretty much in your face, reflecting everything behind you. Unless people drown that out by setting it to full brightness but then they are probably already blind anyway.

[@Itz_Worm]

Same here. It's not like matte displays are completely trash. And as someone with ADHD, I'm surprised the distraction of reflections isn't something that affects Linus more. Personally I'll trade the slightly worse image for way better reflection handling everyday. And it seems that either most people agree or manufactures are shoving matte displays down our throats. It seems to me that most people don't have as complete control over the light and movement in their environments as Linus is assuming. Anyone with ceiling fan they need to stay comfortable with a light attached to it probably agrees with this.

[@santiagocastro6701]

It is tough, but depends a lot from person to person, I prefer to loose a bit of sharp image than having a sunlight bouncing in my screen and disturbing my things, I had a glossy in crt and I prefer 100% a matte display

[@manaueruel5468]

yeah me too. i stare at my desktop screen for multiple hours straight. not so with my phone, watch, ...

[@EikottXD]

Dim the lights...

[@pelmeshker]

@@EikottXD dim the sun in the office...

[@TabalugaDragon]

funny that you say that, matte is just as unusable in a sunny room.

[@TabalugaDragon]

@@pelmeshker the topic is gaming monitors, not office monitors. Nobody is saying we need glossy finish on those.

[@802Garage]

This is all well and good... Except as soon as you have a bad reflection you literally cannot read or see anything on the screen. I have no issues with matte screens in my living room. With gloss screens, many times throughout the day I literally cannot see the screen. I'm not sure how your testing doesn't reflect this. No pun intended.

[@liuzhaoqi2003]

They have stationary lights, and forgot that in real life light moves. Not that many people live in a windowless studio or basement.

[@SaturnTubes]

@@liuzhaoqi2003 I literally keep my computer in a pop up tent surrounded by black acoustic blankets for sound proofing, I’m the extreme minority and one of the only people who could benefit from this…. And even I don’t want it, because even in those conditions, my glossy phone glares too much

[@ziggybadans]

Exactly! I'd rather have my screen washed out but still viewable on every part then having a little bit of the screen perfectly viewable and the rest completely blown out with sharp reflections.

[@nehylen5738]

I got myself a glossy monitor back in 2012, changed only 2 years ago back to a matte one. And clearly, for that very reason, I much prefer matte.

[@AshLordCurry]

If you're gaming, then you probably are dedicated enough to darken the room

[@Zarrex]

Yeah I really can't be on the same page here. My gf had a glossy monitor for years and between having a skylight in the room as well as windows, it's borderline unusable. I would gladly take the matte screen that makes the monitor usable in a normal house that isn't a gamer cave over something that looks MAYBE a tiny bit better

[@MatthewWilde]

Yep, I'm very light sensitive and my wife's Apple Cinema Display is appalling to use in the real world, simply because of the glossy finish.

[@ZE0XE0]

i concur. I have west facing windows and the only place for my desk is on the east side of the wall. In the afternoon i always have glare problems. If it was glossy instead of matte, id be practically blinded. Sometimes I even have to put cardboard over the window to block the light.

[@mal2ksc]

Light coming from directly overhead is normal in an office building too. There may be a valid reason why so many displays are matte. I have a glossy 4k display and I don't regret it, because it is so gorgeously sharp and I'm sitting less than two feet away. But if I had bought a somewhat bigger display and mounted it further away, I'd want matte because I would no longer be able to spot the decrease in sharpness.

[@DedmenMiller]

Also have a skylight, my matte monitor really becomes a problem in the summer. But the real solution there is just a extra bright display

[@kepstin]

Portable displays like on phones, tablets, watches, etc. are easy to move around until you can find an angle that doesn't have glare problems. PC monitors? Yeah, I'm sticking with my matte screens. Honestly even on laptops I still prefer matte - you can't always find the perfect angle with them.

[@Chipsaru]

there is a reason why they sell matte screen protectors for phones

[@RitzyBusiness]

I've used a glossy monitor before and after a while the glare gets really annoying even if you're gaming in pitch black darkness because the light from the monitor reflects off of you back onto the monitor. It also causes eye strain. In bright scenes it's brilliant, you see no reflection but you still get more strain ime. This happens when you're sitting close to he screen, on the other hand sitting st tv distance from my 60in screen I don't see the same reflections, it's a lot less noticeable if they are there. And my eyes don't feel strained. So while yes, a glossy screen looks better, it makes for a bad experience when sitting 2ft - 3ft away from it. A glossy screen is non negotiable for OLED and HDR though. You would lose so much contrast on a matte screen, only because of the light dispersal would interfere with our natural biology haha. Kinda like seeing a black ips screen with and without a proper white bias light.

[@tatsamraipure2712]

yeah it is totally true, matte for LCD and phones and TVs should have glossy screens only although I have seen many people buying matte screen guards for there phones 😂

[@Hardolaf]

Yeah, I grew up with glossy CRTs and they were borderline unusable in bring light. And my phone is unusable in sunlight because the brightness, even at 100%, isn't enough to overcome the glare from the sun. The entire argument from LTT is crap. I intentionally buy matte finish displays because they work better in all conditions. Right now, I have direct sunlight on one of my displays and it's perfectly readable. If I put my phone in front of the direct sunlight, I can't read the damn thing.

[@RitzyBusiness]

@@Hardolaf any phone screen in direct sunlight outdoors would be pretty impossible to read 😆 except for e readers, I don't know what kind of black magic they use.

[@Axeiaa]

@@RitzyBusiness eReaders don't have a light behind them, they move the e-ink. That's why like traditional paper they're perfectly readable even in the brightest sunlight.

[@hassaniqbal4681]

I just can't stand reflections on a display. It is highly distracting and my focus keeps shifting. Anti-glare screens any day of the week. They are not as vibrant as glossy screens but at least I can actually see what I am looking at without distractions.

[@melancholyentertainment]

Neither are going to look good with light hitting them. Matte finishes will just disperse the light. If anything it covers more of the image and will wash it out even more that the anti-glare coating already is, as shown in the video. So it’s all upsides with glossy. And even if that wasn’t the case with glossy you can just, you know, control your lighting conditions. With the coating your stuck with it no matter what your conditions.

[@kstarler]

As someone that daily drove a glossy ACER gaming display for 9 years, I don't miss the gloss. Maybe anti-glare technology has advanced since then (the one I had I bought in 2006), but I greatly prefer the matte finish, even if I have to sacrifice some image quality.

[@hooby_9066]

I remember (some) glossy screens being available at some point when LCD monitors were still young. Back then - due to panel brightness being lower, everyone I knew absolutely preferred matte though - to the point of outright shunning glossy displays. I don't think they sold well - and that might be the reason, why manufacturers stopped making them.

[@JH-pe3ro]

I came to make this comment. I remember glossy being extremely bad because all the monitors were dark. That was the whole reason to have the computer cave, CRTs couldn't handle any daylight. Sometime after LED backlighting came in, that changed and I'm willing to accept the Linus opinion that it might be OK, if you expect the display to overpower the light. I'm pretty happy with matte right now, though, and old enough to say "this isn't broke, I don't need to fix it."

[@benb2464]

As someone who prefers matte, this comparison felt kind of skewed. Reflections on a large screen in dark scenes where there is enough light from the bright parts of the media are enough to see your own reflection (even without HDR). Immersion breaking.

[@thenosehero]

I remember a time when most monitors were glossy, and I don't miss that time. It's true, under optimal studio/store lighting they do look better, but when you take them home they consistently look like crap. The monitor I'm writing this one would be reflecting my room light directly in the top center of it, and I cant easily move the light, If I had to use a glossy monitor, I would have no choice but to NOT have my desk in the center of the room. My anti glare monitor, does NOT reflect it.

[@dnoodspodu1159]

I used to have really matted monitor, but newer one "matted" was so glossy that I had to change my black backgrounds in file manager to lighter one because I could see myself in it Glossy screen? No, thank you

[@MrSuperchesser]

Feels like the best HDR implementation so far from LTT on my Samsung Q80T tv. More info: I'm in Filmmaker mode with Warm 1 color tone.

[@thebyzocker]

It's a bit dull for me but i also left the standard setting for vibrancy mode on my phone so I'd probably vouch for it being good

[@ensardafae]

As someone is photosensitive i'm glad that most desktop screens are matte finish as gives me the option to get the best. I'm not saying gloss doesn't have its place and yes it looks better but can't be a replacement, which I'm afraid many will do if they start shipping with a gloss finish

[@Dedg]

Same, any kind of reflection sucks so much.

[@TabalugaDragon]

nobody is taking matte screens from you damn it. But would it hurt you personally if we actually had glossy options on the market? If *other* people got what they wanted? Seems like it would huh?

[@Herr_U]

As someone who have lived through a few eras where matte displays was rare all I have say would be expletives about the idea of wanting to introduce more glossy. That my TV is glossy is something that annoys me even more than its sucky colour accuracy. To quickly reveal just how horrible idea glossy is you can try this; set it up with a bright-coloured wall (white painted/wallpappered) within about 3-4m behind you, and to make this issue even worse add something framed on that wall, or a door with different colours (let's say - it being open, or still having a wood colour). But I admit this was more of an issue in the CRT days (when the display itself was a major light source to light up the wall behind you), but even a modern laptop where you are in a dark room with a bright-coloured wall near you it shows up (and this is a lot worse in dark rooms). So, yeah, glossy still gets an "only in absence of matte, and that only if I can't skip out on it completly" from me. (Then again, computer monitor usage for me are primarily text-focused - so I need uniformity (or smooth transitions) above all else). But yes, it is a "your usage will vary" situation, the best would probably be if there was a monitor with an electrochromatic layer to make the matte user-selectable - but beyond that it basically comes down to "soo, what's your take on anti-aliasing?"

[@LifeWulf]

“Every other display in your life does this.” *glances at my TV that has a matte display* Love the HDR content btw. Looks great on my phone.

[@duven60]

I would use a phone with a matte display if they made smartphones that had them, i the meantime matte TVs all the way; if there is enough darkness for a glossy display why aren't you using a projector.

[@fynkozari9271]

Can you describe the HDR. I dont think its big improvement.

[@LifeWulf]

@@fynkozari9271 The colour is more vibrant, and the dynamic range - difference between the darker areas and the brighter areas - is more noticeable, instead of everything being the same brightness level. I don’t really know how else to explain it, other than the video “pops” and the rest of the KZbin interface by comparison looks dull when the video is playing.

Maybe because other displays are smaller and mobile, so you can for example turn away from the sun with your phone.

[@rafalxyz]

@@fynkozari9271 it looks more realistic. Light looks like light not just another thing colored white

[@unclerubo]

I hate glossy displays. I ended up painting the back wall of my living room dark gray because of them and unless you absolutely black out the room you can see every single thing on the table or the couch when a slightly dark scene comes on.

[@TabalugaDragon]

6:07 Linus, are you trolling right now? Glossy displays are ONLY present on premium gaming laptops and content creator laptops. *100%* of all budget to mid-range gaming laptops(like the popular Legion 5\5pro\7) are matte. There are literally *zero options* there. Just because your channel is rich doesn't mean that everybody is. Heck, I bought a glossy Philips 327e monitor, which was FAR easier to find than a cheaper glossy gaming laptops. You know, because those aren't a thing.

[@Seal_pup]

Team glossy. Always have been. Matte screens hurt my eyes because I just feel like that sun blur effect is so much worse that any gloss screen. I literally cannot see properly with a matte screen it drives me crazy. I have to block out every light source to feel like I can have a good viewing experience. Screw matte crap it looks cheap, looks ugly, less quality blacks, adds a blur and makes light a massive problem. Was happy to see this video pop up in my subscription feed, finally someone is making some damn sense around here. Hopefully many more glossy (aka normal imo) monitors will become available. I would prefer for everyone to have their own preferred option on any screen. That would be great.

[@Quettesh]

I don't give a toss if the colours are not that accurate when it looks like a mirror with light behind me. Main reason why we don't see mate finish on phones and other devices is because they are touch screens and mate finish is harder to clean and scratches are more noticeable.

[@allanshpeley4284]

Right. And size is also a factor. When I start seeing reflections on my phone I can just change the angle to minimize them. I'd still prefer my phone, like my pc screen, with an anti-glare coating though.

[@Deniz3n]

I'd never want to get a glossy monitor, I've always found them incredibly distracting and in some cases completely unusable at the wrong angles or room brightness. If I could get a matte display for my laptop, I'd go for that, too.

[@buzzlightyearoh]

I mean there are many laptops with matte displays

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

You can also always get a matte screenprotector for your laptop, just need to find the right size. Works well on tablets, and gives them paper like writing feel. Comes with the downside that your stylus tip wears out faster.

[@marcm.]

I finally found one on an Asus gaming laptop. But man it took two decades... I'm fully with you on this one

[@marcm.]

@@Daniel-dj7fh The screen protectors are always significantly worse than a factory matte

[@shvrdavid]

So.... replace your notebooks display with a matte one... Done....

[@sidharthraj3749]

manufacturers are just turning a blind eye on us. WE WANT GLOSSY MONITORS.

[@Shredzac]

No gloss no care

[@Axeiaa]

Big Glossy monitor fan here, it's one of the reason why I'm sticking to my really really old Qnix 27 and Hazro WD27D screens. IPS & Glossy, no distracting ugly coating on them and it helps the colours pop. I just took care not to my monitor opposite to a window catching the sun and reflection have never really been a problem. No matter how crappy this brand may be, if they manage to convince some other manufacturers to start making glossy screens I'm all for it. It has always bugged me how there's almost no glossy options for PC monitors, a device you set up in a way where the sun isn't a problem. Yet for devices you carry around and often end up using either directly in the sun or near bright lightsources e.g. smartphones and laptops have almost no matte options.

[@nicspits9876]

which qnix is that?... ebay, cough ebay, cough cough.

[@milkyy4168]

I’ve never had the time to reflect on how a screen’s glare could do so much. Cool video!

[@uknowwhoiam1389]

no you didn't just do that...

[@GarethPW]

@@dontreadmyprofilepicture5552 Please go away

[@Name-qj9ql]

Take my like and go

[@falsemcnuggethope]

You should screen out your puns before putting them on display here.

[@milkyy4168]

@@falsemcnuggethope I had to type it out and press post in the first place

[@watchm4ker]

Everything old is new again. I remember, over a decade ago, how often reviewers would decry monitors for using cheap glossy finishes that made for great showroom displays with the brightness turned up to eye-searing levels, instead of a professional, high-quality matte finish that made the monitors actually usable day-to-day. Glare and reflection were the price you paid for skimping out on a proper screen coating.

[@turboxide]

yeah it’s funny how reviewers are saying this all of a sudden

[@Excludos]

0:29 And they all have the thing in common that they are either portable, and can be simply moved out of the way of the sun, or placed in a position in your living room to specifically to counter sun-glare. Computer monitors often doesn't have the luxury of either. But I agree it should be a choice. If I want a glossy monitor in my basement, or a matt tv for the office, it's weird how it's just not available to me.

[@rubiconnn]

The problem with glossy screens is that you will get glare even in a pitch black room. I have an OLED with a glossy screen and you can see the reflection of the wall on the other side of the room being lit up by the TV itself.

[@mattisner]

Point taken, but I still prefer a matte display. I find reflections in a day-lit room more distracting than a marginal loss in natural contrast.

[@ragtop63]

Never once while I was gaming have I ever stopped and thought to myself, "I wish this had a glossy screen so I can sacrifice immersion for reflections of my Ikea light stand."

[@rafalxyz]

it's a problem when the screen isn't bright enough. Even modern oleds have enough brightness to overcome that.

[@Micromation]

@@rafalxyz the problem is that it sears your eyes. You dim that shit to me more useable in dark room and you almost immediately start seeing yourself, let alone that one fucking annoying blinking LED of some random device located behind you or ambient light on the wall. Never glossy shit ever again. It's bright enough to burn your eyes off but not bright enough to compete with any source of daylight, even on a cloudy day...

[@RolandsSh]

I feel like the screen finish is an incredibly individual thing. I personally absolutely abhor any kind of glare and reflections, so switching to a matte display was a godsend to me. I feel like the rather negligible reduction in vibrancy and contrast is well worth it, and there is just no going back for me.

[@Skylancer727]

To me the contrast is not negligably worse but vastly worse. It's even more exaggerated now in the age of HDR. The sharpness drop also made the transition to 4K look pointless as sharpness being lower for matte displays basically ruins the benefits of 4K. I don't see pixels no, but I do see this awful snowflaking effect over the entire screen. Extremely noticeable when the background moves and is one color like when you're playing a game and you move the camera.

[@VeronicaJae]

One of the noticeable differences upgrading from my old display to my LG C1 is the glossy finish. It's genuinely so nice.

[@Rafaelinux]

Guys, your best looking video in ages! This HDR toning was spot-on! Finally Linus' skin stopped being greenish! The moment you got these blackmagic cameras all these years ago, the grading on your channel became awful.. Now we're back in business!!

[@vegettosonlab]

I'll continue using matte monitors until they randomly decide to stop making them. I've tried a glossy monitor during the day, night, and with zero lights on, and I hated it no matter the situation I'm in. They just don't work for my room or for me in general. I sent back the glossy TV the next day after using it.

[@falsemcnuggethope]

I'll continue using matte monitors even after they stop making them.

[@osaobeid7828]

Wow you are so cool 🤪

[@yeti4269]

I know this is on the set, but wouldn't this test have been better with actual sunlight? I don't think many people have studio lights pointing at their monitor.

[@peterwu2580]

Also having it on the left much proportionally closer to the left monitor

Don't bring common sense to Linus' take, it's not GN.

[@_tuk]

This is what I noticed immediately when I moved from a Windows laptop to a Macbook. Monitors now have a high enough nit count for glossy finishes to be justified.

[@BradHook]

I'm glad you've touched on this subject. I've been frustrated for years that there's very minimal glossy finish screens on the market. They're just flat out better. I have two 32 inch 1440p panels at my desk. One newer 144Hz gaming one with a matte finish, and one older 60Hz content creation one with a glossy finish. Both are colour calibrated. The older, glossy one smacks the matte one for just pure enjoyment. It's sharper, has none of the 'grit' that is associated with the matte coatings, and colours just look better despite measuring similarly. The perceived contrast ratio appears higher too. Just makes no sense why they went away. If you can use a glass screen outdoors, and we all do; you can use a glossy monitor indoors. I don't want matte screens to disappear as some people will obviously prefer them, but I would like to be able to buy a good quality high refresh glossy computer monitor, from any brand without hassle.

[@ForboJack]

I had laptops with glossy and with matte displays and I would never buy a laptop with glossy finish ever again. At least for laptops a matte display is an absolute must for me.

[@lucasrem]

You just need enough HDR levels, so the reflection is gone!

[@RoschuhLP]

The problem for me where never the big, but the small lights. If you just have one red light somewhere in the background. The matt finish will make it either invisible or very light red to see on the monitor. The glossy one will make you see it (at least in darker areas) much better This is my experiencw. Wince i have no such backlight anymore, it should be better.

[@haniffaris8917]

Yeah, the test was ridiculous, who the heck game with a huge studio lights glaring at their screen. I also can remember how my reflection stared at me every time a dark scene comes up when I was using glossy monitor.

[@RoschuhLP]

@@haniffaris8917 the best part "you usually make the room darkm that is when you game. This is when reflectioks of the glasses or other small lights fuck up the most xD I would have loved to see ghe reason who liked and disliked it for what reasons.

[@PaDDy7389]

My personal preference is matte rather than glossy screens. My eyes feel more comfortable with them because I don't have to constantly darken the room, they don't have annoying reflections and at the same time matte screens are easier to keep clean than glossy ones.

[@N3VURMYND]

So glad I dodged the bullet. I pre-ordered this monitor back in 2020, asked for a refund once I smelled a scam brewing and surprisingly got my money back months after. Stay away from this company. There are many who still have not received their monitors or their refunds. I don't understand why there isn't more exposure on how bad this company is.

[@Maskullking]

I've always hated glossy displays, even on phones. As with just a small amount of black or dark colors all I see is my reflection. Back in about 2015 I had a laptop that had a matte screen which broke, which I sent in for repair. They replaced the screen with a glossy one and I was legitimately annoyed.

[@fastgecko5799]

Yeah I like matte glass protectors on my phone screens. The glare/reflection in bright areas is unbearable to me. Plus matte doesn't get greasy smudges as bad as gloss and it feels better under-finger.

[@NoLongo]

The problem is that matte is pretty universal but glossy could be anyones guess how good the anti-glare coating is, or if it has one at all.

[@nerdstrangler4804]

Yea this is also true, not all glossy screens are created equal. At least with matte you know what you are getting. Especially in the monitor industry where R&D budgets are probably a small fraction of what they are in the phone/TV industry, the quality of the anti-glare coating is probably a bit more of a gamble.

[@GENKI_INU]

I thought the point of a glossy finish is there's no anti-glare coating?

[@nerdstrangler4804]

@@GENKI_INU The point of a glossy screen is that they use glass instead of plastic for the screen. But usually the glass still has some sort of treatment applied to reduce reflections. Not entirely sure how they work, probably some hardcore physics going on. But they can drastically cut down on reflections vs just bare glass.

[@GENKI_INU]

@@nerdstrangler4804 That's the thing. The only real non-exotic option for anti-glare treatment on screens is literally roughening of the surface itself (matte). I'm inclined to believe most glass screens (especially touchscreens), aren't treated with anti-glare or they would rub off in case of touchscreens, or you could easily tell it was treated: Think of prescription eye-glasses where the reflection color turns a reddish-purple green tint. I've never seen a glass screen that has been coated this way, or has these properties. I can't even be sure there's a good way to anti-glare a glass screen that doesn't defeat the purpose of the clarity, or cause the manufacturer to choose a matte finish anyway, unless it's a touchscreen where a smooth glass finish is basically the only option.

[@nerdstrangler4804]

@@GENKI_INU You may be right about touch screens, I don't know. But RTINGS has a specific category where they measure reflections. For instance, here is what they said about the LG C2: "The LG C2 has superb reflection handling. The glossy finish significantly reduces the intensity of direct reflections, so glare isn't an issue. The anti-reflective coating on the screen adds a purple tint to it, but this doesn't impact image quality." Or here is what they said about the Samsung QN90B QLED: "The Samsung QN90B has superb reflection handling. The glossy coating significantly reduces the intensity of direct reflections, so glare isn't as distracting. Sadly, like many glossy coatings, bright lights cause a rainbow smear across the screen, which can be distracting even if the lights aren't directly opposite the TV, including overhead lights. Note that the 43 inch and 50 inch models have a different anti-reflective coating and have worse reflection handling." So as you can see anti-reflection coatings are quite common these days and can vary quite a bit, even within the same product line. For instance, in the case of the 43 and 50 inch QN90B it sounds like they had to go with a cheaper option in order to hit the lower price point. You can even see at 10:50 in this video when he puts the macbook air down next to the monitor, just how differently the reflection of his arm looks between the two.

[@SpankMyFace]

Glossy screens might work for elite KZbinrs like Linus, who can afford to build a separate house for his gaming setup. But for those of us with limited options for light-control, I have no problem with the softer anti-glare image.

[@Squig8]

Been wanting a glossy monitor for over a decade, they look so much better. Its frustrating how there are no options on the market - thank you for covering the issue.

[@saveusbloodymess]

unless it's perfect lightning scenario, matte display is much better because the little clarity and brightness is no where near as significant as seeing reflections in the middle of the screens. For phones they kinda need to be glossy because of the touch screens(though there are laptops with matte screens that ar both great feeling and look gorgeous, like the ConceptD Ezel which I can say first hand is by far the best screen I used despite being a 1080@60 14'' screen). For TVs they get the benefit of"most people watch movies in dark rooms anyway", and both need to ook better when the screen is off because they double as a jewelry/home design accessories. If anything, I would want nice TVs and phones with good matte coating so I don't get every light source blinding me when viewed from the wrong angle.

[@mwezi4193]

are you moving your setup? plus how hard would it really be to put up some blinds lmao

[@spammus1]

Leaving the bad company matter behind, I just can't stand reflections. I find them really annoying and distracting, maybe I'll be fine with a glossy second or productivity monitor, but my main HAS to be matte. That said, it definitely WON'T be from this company

[@ianfitchett2768]

I got a aw3423dwf which has a coating that's in between glossy and matte. I've heard mixed things about it from reviewers, monitor's unboxed said it was the worst coating ever: "combining the worst aspects of both". But in my experience, it's such an improvement. The screen just looks so much cleaner... It's like I cleaned years worth of dust off the screen. The matte coating literally looks like built-in dust... And I'm coming from an asus rog PG27UQ which is a really high quality display with a higher pixel density and luminance. I can imagine wanting a matte coating on a laptop, I remember being a college student and needing to use my laptop in all kinds of bright, busy, public places, sometimes in direct sunlight. I am glad I had a matte finish for that. But that's productivity, not gaming, and it's mobile. For a stationary, media-focused display, glossy feels like the obvious choice. Even in my lit room with windows, the glossier coating is better. Light is only an issue if the light is literally directly behind the screen

[@jordanh9210]

I used to have a 4k TV as my second monitor and theres just no way you can see anything if theres a window behind you or any reflection. Theres a good reason monitors arent glossy and if you want to find out why just use a TV

[@DraconicBovine]

Gaming in the dark ended up giving me eye migraines. Can't really recommend that experience. Would happily never see a glossy display on any device, so it can be used with some light in the room

[@BriBCG]

Yeah, common solutions to the glare effect of glossy screens seem to be 'turn off the lights' or 'turn up the brightness' both just burn out my eyes in no time. No thanks.

[@flackenstien]

Miss me with that glossy shit. For real though, just want to say thanks to LTT for being honest and open in their reviews, and not afraid to tell companies the truth about them or the product they sent you. You do it to improve not only our information as consumers, but to help steer these companies in the right direction.

[@SaturnTubes]

Unless it’s a graphics card or processor at a time when nobody could acquire them. Then he’s happy to get them for free without ever calling out how annoying it is that he gets free shit all day while now one else can buy them if they wanted to

[@flackenstien]

Lol, salty?

[@ixionn563]

@@SaturnTubes Didn't LTT literally run a giveaway for people to get free (or heavily discounted) GPUs during that time?

[@ThePetalesharo]

The Borat reference almost made me spit out my food, thanks Linus

[@Anderson_Roger]

Like most of the actual monitor users in the chat without light sources that can be controlled, be it a window or the only bulb in your room, matte is just more consistent. No one always has that ideal situation where you have no sources of light in front of the screen where glossy is marginally better. For phones as well, for so many years I've seen friends of mine struggle to use their phone in harsh lighting or sunny days outside where I was able to do so with my matte screen protector. It was always more readable without stupid reflections everywhere.

[@AdvancedGamingYT]

Consistently garbage that is

[@almaspuding]

I find matte screen are far easier on the eyes and I stare at my computer screen (matte) far more than at my tv/phone (glossy). I've used glossy displays for desktop/laptop and my take away is: matte `till death.

[@FennecTECH]

Matte displays are preferred on productivity systems because it reduces glare in something like a word processor or a video editing workload. Thats why you will see them on most business machines

[@veduci22]

Matte displays are also preferred for viewing dark scenes in environment other than a near-perfect dark room, and sometimes even in dark room you can see reflection of your face illuminated by the light from the monitor...

[@MagicianMan]

@Linus Tech Tips - the phenomenon you are talking about is common in Car Detailing and can be measured using a goniophotometer. Something like the Rhopoint IQ-S Goniophotometer 20/60/85 is used to measure reflections. Effectively it measures the refraction of light at 20'/60'/80' through the clear coat onto the pigment (paint) underneath. The "clearer" the clear coat on top the less light is refracted away from your point of view resulting in colours that "pop". If you think about it like car paint then if your paint is scuffed then the colour looks faded. If the paint is polished then the effect is to brighten colours or enhance darks.

[@Moejoe647]

What i have never seen discussed how curved monitors are far better behaved concerning reflections - which makes a glossy coating far more enjoyable. The only thing that gets reflected in a curved monitor are things EXACTLY behind you. So you'll never get reflections from the side (like a window thats on a wall 90° to your Monitor). And its pretty easily to place your Monitor in a way, that a light source isn't directly behind you. And because of the concave shape of the monitor/mirror, even the light that is reflected to you, gets stretched out over a larger area - decreasing the apparent brightness even more.

[@dtemp132]

I’d rather have diffuse glare than sharp reflections on a glossy screen!

[@xxphazonzombiexx]

@@dontreadmyprofilepicture5552 DIDNT PLAN TO

[@b1oo71]

Did you watch the video? Lol

[@nobody8717]

I'd rather build my area so that I don't get glare ON A GLOSSY SCREEN. But then I'm not as LAZY as other people.

[@joesterling4299]

Same here. A mirror-finish screen would require the room be set up for it, which means no windows or light sources that would reflect from it to your seating position. That's not always possible, or desirable.

[@huttonberries768]

@@nobody8717 fr SMH I can't believe that people are so lazy that they can't be bothered to eliminate all light sources in the universe, including the sun

[@liahknight56]

I could never be happy with a glossy screen. I've had to deal with them for TVs, monitors, laptop screens, phones and I dont think I've ever been in a situation where I appreciated whatever visual difference it gave me. I'm sure this is like a personal choice rather than one being objectively better, depending on what trade off makes the most sense to you. I also think "gamers" wouldnt have completely dark rooms if they have RGB lighting on their keyboards, controllers, mice, etc. even a tiny reflection of a small light could be such a drag.

[@Alonsoman4000]

I love when you upload in 4K HDR. It looks so damn beautiful

[@LuGer212]

I'm happy to know the Editor is always there and watching over us

[@vrhyrsh]

Suuuuure, please bring back the past so we can get rid of it again. We went through that exact phase already and there's a reason glossy is mostly gone now. The glossy examples mentioned in the beginning are all on devices that can easily be moved to remove reflections; but you will certainly not turn your monitor around because of an annoying reflection. And why is his matte display so crazy reflective? That's certainly not how any of my matte displays look and shining a light directly onto a monitor is certainly not a realistic scenario.

[@gonzaloxd2]

TVs can be easily moved?

[@Micromation]

@@gonzaloxd2 are you sitting 1m away from TV? The farther you are, the less it reflects due to field of view being narrower. It's like with a mirror - the closer you are the wider the viewangle behind you. It's basic physics...

[@vrhyrsh]

​@@gonzaloxd2 While you're correct that TV screens are glossy and mostly stationary, they are traditionally also an item that is primarily used in the evening. When I want to watch something in the afternoon, I have to close the shutters or am doomed to see literally nothing. Surely doesn't help that movies keep getting darker and darker. For TVs there are also several other factors - when off, a black mirror finish just looks more premium (computers usually aren't the centerpiece in your living room), you can claim darker blacks / higher contrast, it's literally the only reason why OLED became as popular as it has, for the size there's added stability through using a glass front. It's simply a product with a different use-case, and while this is slowly changing, markets still cater to majorities which tend to go for what "looks good in the store" and mostly watch TV in the evening.

[@jamielee-brown2691]

Months into waiting for a refund after months of waiting for a monitor from Eve / Dough. Never in my adult life has a company treated me with such contempt. Eve / dough have been downright disingenuous. After missing their own refund deadlines twice, I was told that an error on their side required them to reset the clock on their 20 working day refund delay. I later found out that others received the same message. Feels like subterfuge designed to buy time and delude customers. It's not just the large sum of money which may be lost to me that hurts; it's been mentally exhausting to fight these guys after patiently waiting for multiple 20 working day return windows to lapse like a sucker. Find a company that deserves your money. I regret the day I gave Eve / Dough the benefit of the doubt.

[@aaronthomas6155]

A better route at this point, if you're in the US, would be to report it to your credit card company and have them do a charge back. Then report them to the FTC.

[@justinmobile8112]

Eve / Dough should be avoided. As a customer that placed a deposit back in 2020. The monitor was continuously delayed and it was meant to be a returnable $100 deposit. I cancelled my order earlier this year and have been waiting over 3 months so far for a refund. They delete or ignore most messages sent to them via their forum so pretty much treating their customers with total contempt. Others have paid in full and not received any device.

[@edcgadgets-de]

I gutted an iMac 5k and put a DisplayPort driver board inside. I use it for productive work and gaming for 4 years now. It’s a fantastic display, I don’t mind the glossy finish at all. I too have another full functioning iMac 5k since 5 years and do all my Homeoffice work on that. I optimized my lighting in the room, no glare at all. It’s the best screen I ever had. And the barebone on on my gaming PC is now the best display ever with the most powerful PC I ever had. Couldn’t be any better.