The Gobblegum LIE

[@ThunderStruck115]

Something that I absolutely hate about the gobblegum system that I swear I NEVER see anyone talk about is how it ruined co-op play, not just from how overpowered they were, but because of the fact that the second someone running them went down, there was about an 80% chance that they would dashboard, which meant that co op matches would quickly become solo matches due to everyone leaving since they don't want to risk losing their gums. Sure, ragequitting has always been a thing, but in BO3 it was an exponentially more prevalent issue since it was directly incentivized.

[@_playa_]

Thats more on the devs for leaving that glitch in

[@CJSanta]

I would say 4/5 matches end with "Connection Interrupted". Gobblegums are a poison to the game and its community because of that awful bug. These players are so desperate to keep their candies 🙄

[@cakes9962]

thats why i only played alone or on private matches

[@29jemo]

I can tell you. I loved the gumballs because me and my friends used them a lot without purchasing them with real money. We were completing the EEs with our low stock. Before the match, we would organize the gumballs we had available and made sure to use even the crappy ones to their best use possible. It encouraged an incredible amount of cooperation and coordination that made completing the EEs more rewarding.

[@CJSanta]

For players who used them for private matches to have fun doing easter eggs and NOT use the glitch to keep them, but actually use them to end easter egg runs. I have no issue with that. Personally, I only run classics for eggs though.

[@straightuprat696]

Oh Jesus. That, “they preferred the glitch” made my eyes go wide. Like damn, that’s a legit conversation

[@CJSanta]

Honestly it's just a theory, but it's really likely that it's an in game problem because it happen on both Playstation and Xbox. Which normally glitches that severe aren't cross platform. But it's not like Treyarch weren't aware of it...with how popular and well known it was. I think they didn't know it was in the game, but decided it wasn't worth trying to fix.

[@thedomainofsealteamaqua]

@@CJSanta honestly they’re ruining the game for me. The only reason I used to like bo3 was because of nostalgia themed maps, but I’ve come to think of it as shallow and boring. I pretty much only play black ops 1 at this point. Bo2 is kinda good, but bo4 was god-awful crap. Too much going on, too many perks. Too many guns, too crazy abilities. To top it all off, a zombie health cap that destroys the whole point of the anyway. I thought bo1 map MOON had too much going on when I first played it! I just hope they release a game like black ops 1 soon… I’ve kinda given up. And then there’s high rounding. High rounding on black ops 1 and WAW takes complicated strategies and a whole heck of a lot of skill. High rounding on bo4 is basically: Step one: get razor. Step two: knife the whole game. (I’m just ranting at this point I’ll stop)

[@AnthonyDoesYouTube]

​@@thedomainofsealteamaquaI appreciate this rant as someone who always SWORE that Bo3 is overrated and P2w, and for that reason I refuse to play it. I EXCLUSIVELY ever played Bo1 and I actually came back for Mw2 and Mw3 zombies and I actually genuinely enjoyed it, hot take ik

[@thedomainofsealteamaqua]

@@AnthonyDoesKZbin lol I like modern warfare zombies also.

[@thedomainofsealteamaqua]

@@AnthonyDoesKZbin I think zombies just generally feels more corporate.

[@cheesymcnuggets818]

Cant believe some people are nostalgic for Gobblegums 💀

[@kirbylovespizza2488]

To be fair they're about 9 years old now

[@cheesymcnuggets818]

@@kirbylovespizza2488 time flies

[@Muphlez]

I’m one of them

[@CERRYGREENBAY]

They were fun additions to the game. Who wouldn’t be?

[@ChaosClover420]

Why?

[@TheLucarioProject]

Finally someone said it, closing app literally ruined public matches forever however I do think that if they worked like they did in IW there wouldn't be as much outrage compared to how it was in BO4. In IW if you use an evade card for example and refill your card deck to use it 3 times, the game will still only count it as one consumption instead of like in the other games where each individual pop counted as one consumption. People will still complain if there is no glitch but this would still go a long way for the rest of us who are actually capable of playing BO3 without megas.

[@LiterallyJustRAM]

TheLucarioProject, what are you doing here? love your content btw

[@CJSanta]

IW probably had the most balanced system, having limits on how many you could use per match, but I personally prefer the elixir system. I really hope they bring back the talisman or at least the system of a permanent upgrade for the entire match.

[@oldjebidiahbrown2454]

Not to mention that because of the gobblegum system, Treyarch was likely forced to scrap all of their perk ideas so that they can create a bunch of useless gobblegums to create bloat in the gobblegum pool so that rare gobblegums are actually rare. I'm glad bo4 partially learned from this mistake and decided to make some of the most unique and fun per ideas in the series. I feel like they made Cold War so easy because everyone hated how difficult bo4 was, and at the time with how rushed things were, it makes sense to take a safe route and make an easy zombies experience. I hope bo6 keeps some of the Cold War casual-ness because I love looking down at all of the shitters who struggle against AI zombies, but I also hope they start making large and complex zombies maps like bo4's and some of bo3's

[@CJSanta]

This is a very good point. So many of the gums from launch became absolutely pointless once they added more broken ones over time.

[@weebdestroyer7649]

For me the introduction of gobblegums/elixirs directly coincided with me losing interest with and dropping COD zombies as a whole. Been playing since WAW and only recently returned to the zombies community in 2024 via BO3's Custom Zombies. There are 3 big issues that make them ruin the game for me. 1. Prime example of lootboxes, good gums are insanely rare to get without paying, meaning they are reserved for E.E runs 99% of the time instead of being used freely or are just infinitely cheesed by dashboarding. 2. Ruined game balance and progression. Not fun to be in a game where 1 guy has every perk and PAP'd weapons on round 3 while you still have an RK5. 3. 90% of co-op games ending the moment someone who used a valuable gum goes down. They will ALWAYS dashboard in order to keep them. It's impact on the ability to play public matches was so bad it honestly deserves a whole video just specifically talking about it.

[@Fragile_Media]

Wholeheartedly disagree with the "close application" issue. That was a security feature that players exploited. Many players have spotty internet, internet that cuts out. Imagine how enraging it would be to lose something that you potentially PAID for over reasons that are entirely out of your control? Its a good implementation (I personally had internet that was rather terrible so this feature helped me immensely) its just that it became easily exploitable. Insinuating that the devs purposely impleneted it for player abuse is just wrong

[@CJSanta]

@@oxndvvfkuhl7540 exactly, there's a big difference between losing connection and closing application.

[@Fafish01]

@@oxndvvfkuhl7540 I mean, players will just unplug their internet

[@OmgAlphaDog]

@@CJSanta but then people would just turn their wifi off instead of closing app?

[@thevoid6969]

@@CJSanta but there isnt much difference between closing an application, and an application crashing

[@GUSSYAVO]

I don’t think any of you know how difficult is to code videogames and have no glitches or exploits 😂

[@sapience777]

This is such an underrated video. It will never be popular because it tackles issues with what most consider the peak of zombies but it's so painfully obvious that BO3 laid the ground for serious flaws in the following CoDs.

[@jkent16]

I have a feeling they’re gonna artificially increase the difficulty again. Especially now that they’re changing how the movement and hit detection systems work. I think Kevin Drew even said they’re making it more challenging than Cold War. This is gonna be an interesting year.

[@D3AL1O]

He literally said he wanted to make it more accessible for people who can't survive for 2 minutes... lol

[@jkent16]

@@D3AL1O yeah but he’s also said he’s gonna make it harder. I think they might bring back difficulties to satisfy both crowds.

[@arieson7715]

@@jkent16 I wouldn't mind that actually.

[@phueno1498]

​@@jkent16 just curious but where/when did he say that?

[@OmgAlphaDog]

as someone who did say elixers were weak in bo4 and only used classics and just recently used a unlimited plasma mod i agree that i find them so op now but the main problem is ultra elixers are so hard to get in bo4 compared to bo3 and i barely used the gobblegum glitch cause i wanted high rounds to stay on my leaderboard

[@IceTutuola]

Yeah elixirs are definitely much weaker in Bo4. Shopping Free just isn't as good for some reason, and perkaholic is really just used as "Free Dying Wish" for most people. And I don't like when people say Gobblegums aren't PTW, because they totally are. Most of the time when someone has an issue with a map, people say to just run gobblegum X, Y, or Z, in which case many people like myself just don't have more than like 2 of each Mega or whatever.

[@CJSanta]

I think that for as much as they do, they should be rare. Of course I get them all legit and I normally stick to classic elixirs and only use the common ones. Mainly because they're actually pretty useful in bo4.

[@VOLDGAMER1]

my experence with gobblegums was like this one time in bo3. i went on shadows with my normal base gobblegums cause i wanted to save my perkaholic (i only have 1 right now) some guy who had like 50 asked me to put it on, i said no because i wanted to save up until i felt good enough to use it, he left as soon as i said that, like dude, i am not going to waste something on a match that might not go the way you think. i don't mind gobblegums but i prefer the cards from iw and the stuff from bo4 because nobody cared what you used in those games.

[@JadonKaiser]

It's something to grind for in game. One of the problems with Cold War was that once you get all of the permanent unlocks there's not really anything to go for besides high rounds. Adding gobblegum's will make the earlier seasons way more fun because people are going to grind gums for the upcoming new maps. IDK how it'll age though.

[@CJSanta]

Even the high rounds aren't very rewarding in Cold War because of how brain dead easy they are. If bo6 let's you earn gums ONLY by playing the game and doing certain tasks, then I'll be much more open to that.

[@JadonKaiser]

@@CJSanta They'll make the game harder to compensate for gobblegum. I saw a video recently which talked about how they artificially increased the difficulty of the game for BO3 to drive up gobblegum sales. I'm pretty sure a similar thing will happen for BO6.

[@ynt1040]

'grind for'? Seriously? You really think activision and the modern gaming industry would ever allow for in game advantages to ever be grinded for again? You really think they wont slap on a big old price tag on liquid diviniums and squeeze every last dollar out of the playerbase that they can? I dont think you've been in touch with the industry since 2013, games like that are simply not made anymore. Game progression is now tied to your credit card. Sad, but it really is the truth, corporate greed has ruined gaming

[@JadonKaiser]

@@ynt1040 Mr. Salty Pants

[@ynt1040]

@@JadonKaiser 1st grade ass response

[@MrSoloDolo02]

The gobblegum and the crack speed zombies are the reason I never got into BO3 zombies. Micro-transactions has no place in a game I paid 60 dollars for (only place I understand is a free mobile game). Even if I don't use the gobblegums, the game is still balanced for the use of these paid cheat codes. Widows Wine is overrated due to the fact that I still get hit when I'm training, so If I get cornered without any webs remaining, I'm done for. These crack zombies legit drain all of my webs before I can be in the position to need it 💀

[@jadenalvarado4912]

I loved gobblegums and I always close app to save gobblegums. But Your criticism of how it ruined leaderboards and public matches is a very good point. A solution to this wouldve been to have a classic alternate game mode without them. Imagine this The classic way wouldve had the same mechanics as Bo1 and bo2. The Classic way is the usual two hits but no super sprinters. However with gobblegums its the Bo3 system which means super sprinters and faster hit system, this wouldve allowed a trade off. Its also a problem vice-versa too I remember I used a perkaholic ready to and someone else was host with just me in game which ended the match, making me lose my gobblegum.

[@Nexus_Simulations]

I grind for gobblegums and use the logical method of "If you lose it, you lose it. You'll get it back later." Never once used the glitches and I'll never purchase them. I rely on skill AND gums to help with improving, not just sitting there and hoping to not lose my gums.

[@Dr.Hans.Volter]

While I usually disagree with your stance on gums (mostly because they weren't really necessary, there were plenty of workarounds, and even the swing speed didn't bother be as it's something that kept me more engaged), this actually IS the one thing I fully agree with you on. People loved dashboarding, or as you referenced it, exiting application. People loved doing this in general to keep the gums, they only had to use them once for EE completions, after that you can craft or spin for more and never lose them. If this was a failsafe as people have said, then why didn't BO4 have it for the elixirs? Exactly as you said, they didn't want to fix it and screw with BO3's popularity, so it was easier to keep it to retain the high BO3 was on. And the worst part is while I don't think it's forced in general, it IS necessary to compete quests in ZNS (you need ABH for one of the steps), and I'll even throw in Rev because that main quest was poorly made and it shows. Whereas in BO4, it is even less necessary, the only time I could think of it being necessary is IX. So yes for this video, you definitely hit the nail on the head.

[@Joeyratatouille]

As someone that ran/runs pretty much only classics, im excited they're coming back. I play solo and I enjoyed the classic gums as a nice addition to my high round games

[@Termin8or_115]

I agree fully, anytime I heard someone say "Elixurs suck they don't save when I close app" or "BO6 better let me close app to save gobblegums", Imo saving gobblegums made the special fun thing made it easy mode, I never use Mega Gobblegums unless I'm doing an easter egg like GK

[@bryonhughes7943]

Elixirs just suck I mean for example bo3 had the credit gobblegum which gave you 5000 points I think then bo4 had the same thing but with 1 activation for 1250, bo3 had the glorious alchemical anthesis which was a free classic which in bo4 they turned into a common the community didn’t like them for reasons that they took to long to get compared to liquid divinum and they were weaker

[@CJSanta]

​@bryonhughes7943 the elixirs are actually much easier to get and because of how they operate they're more balanced. Alchemical shouldn't have EVER been a classic with how busted it is, bo4 making it a common was the right choice. Just like how they took temporal gift from a mega and made it a classic. Plasma is much more frequently earned than single diviniums are.

[@jonasstrzyz2469]

​@@CJSanta The earn rate for plasma is lower when you factor in the amount needed for a single or multiple elixirs / gums. Additionally, the classic elixirs have a much longer recharge rate than those using plasma, which might not actually have any cool down time. Waiting for a single elixir to recharge can take more than five rounds and every time it takes longer. At lest with gums you are guaranteed to cycle through them in five uses of the machine. What's also worse is that AATs got nerfed into the ground to the point of only being useful to slow zombies down or against water elementals. I honestly would not really care that much if if players could not use real money to buy gums and elixirs and if the leaderboards were separated based on no gums, classics and megas - but that is a separate issue. It is a system that harms the consumer, encourages gambling and prevents people from putting in the effort to actually improve. The only difference is that the Black Ops 3 version was cheaper - effectively free after an initial investment - and provided the player with very strong free alternatives. ABH, IPS, Alchem, Arsenal Accelerator, Lucky Crit and Danger Closest (for SOE) are more rewarding and infinitely cheaper than Perkaholic or Cache Back. I don't know why you would defend turning a free alternative into a less useful more expensive version.

[@astolfo4346]

this is one of the HUGE reasons why i will die on the hill, that bo3 is the easiest cod to date

[@Hi_Im_ABot01]

W Astalfo

[@Themanhimself677]

Easier than Cold War at times

[@pterodactyl662]

Cold war was definitely easier imo

[@astolfo4346]

@@pterodactyl662 coldwar was easy, but everything that was op in coldwar that made it easy, was even better in bo3

[@Jasonmf123YT]

Cold War is easier in my opinion. The zombies in that game are actually retarded and you get like 5 or 6 hits to die without jug.

[@ameliasniffy6491]

It’s still funny seeing KZbinrs complaining about some bundle in mwz being pay to win cause of adding extra stuff you can spawn in with but glaze gobblegums constantly

[@CJSanta]

And as far as I know, all the bundles that they add are purely cosmetic. Don't quote me on that, I never bother looking in the modern cod store page.

[@lemurw431]

Think you’re actually spot on the money with this, gums without the glitch would be awful. Despite having like 90k+ divinium I STILL do the glitch when I end any game of BO3 that I play

[@IceTutuola]

Personally I'm excited for GobbleGums to come back, but with the way my friends and I play, we almost never use things like Perkaholic because it takes away from the progression/challenge of the map (unless we're doing an EE for the first time). Otherwise, things like Alchemical Antithesis or ABH are great, but I do think that gobbles take away from some potential perks that we could get.

[@CJSanta]

If we get a new perk for each map in bo6, I think it won't sting as much when they inevitably add perkaholic and near death back into the game.

[@HawaiianMaugaMain]

1:07 i thought the devs said they wanted to make easter eggs harder to do

[@CJSanta]

It's possible. But the easter eggs in bo2 were NOT very hard. And the hardest ones which required the most time put in, buried, had the feature to have Leroy hold a crawler indefinitely.

[@HawaiianMaugaMain]

@@CJSanta they probably realized that doing that didn’t really make things harder, and why they changed it in bo3 to having the zombie respawn after a certain time and distance and having them respawn really close to the player

[@ThatsMySkill]

black ops 3 gobble gums were only loved because you could quit out, making the pay2win feature not matter at all. you had infinite gums. i used them from time to time but its not something i often used. only when i didnt feel like setting up or when i just wanted to be overpowered is when i used them. now that the gobblegums in bo6 have been unveiled to be built into the gameplay without any external pay2win features im still kinda skeptical but i think having to fulfill challenges in order to activate them definitely can make them feel less overpowered and more rewarding. edit: i dont really think bo3 was made difficult to entice people to get gobblegums and if it was, they failed at it. in fact i think bo3 is way easier than bo1 and bo2 even without them. especially early rounds where having no jug could instantly down you in 2 hits compared to 3 hits in bo3.

[@jbeezy31]

I don’t mind using gobblegums, I just don’t dashboard, and save them and use them when I feel like it. As someone who plays on group posts on bo3 since my friends don’t play the game, and most people dashboard when they die once. They most of the time haven’t even used any of their good gobblegums, and when they don’t dashboard, they whine and complain about how they lost them, when they could have just not used them at all. What makes it worse is that I’m level 1000 and I’m expected to use the best gobblegums possible, as if I have a full arsenal of go to gobblegums. To conclude, I don’t mind using them at all, but it’s that the coop games ruined bo3 zombies horribly, and I like to play coop zombies because there are some cool people out there, but now it’s mostly filled with desperate, weird people who will leave at the snap of a finger because they lost a digital piece of gum.

[@ObadiahHoss]

Great vid. I noticed that when I ask my friends why elixirs is a downgrade from gobblegums I never had a straight answer. The only possible criticism I can think of is that it takes up an extra button, meaning we can't have both tactical and lethal throwables. It creates an awkward situation where you gotta trade your tomahawk for monkeys on blood of the dead, for example.

[@imnotayoutuber488]

FR MAN. PREACH. People hyped about micro transactions are wild to me 😂

[@ImCarpet]

Bundles are so much worse than loot boxes.. At least I could actually earn stuff by playing the game. Now I basically don’t get any cool cosmetic shit because I’m not willing to spend $20 on a bundle. It’s frustrating.

[@elizaleski9618]

They at least fixed the problem where you would stop running after getting hit. (How the zombies mode was at launch) That saved black ops 3s life I think. It helped a ton

[@ebstool6885]

I have and will always say that gobblegums are a legal mod menu. You hit the nail on the head, it’s players being coddled by the systems in place and it downright makes players hostile towards any game that doesn’t include them. And when you take it away from them, the game sucks. None of them want to admit that lol Gumballs also ruined pubs unfortunately. You’re playing with other people who are invincible using their mod menus and will dashboard the second they go down These people don’t want to play zombies Also on a side note, the hit speed isn’t the only buff zombies got in BO3. They also don’t properly hoard up as tightly as they used to. A full hoard is about 3 times bigger than one in BO1/BO2. And also all BO3 maps feature verruckt sprinters (same speed not animation) by default. Oh, and zombie pathing isn’t as crisp as it used to be either

[@arnathan1792]

Gobblegums would also make co-op matches borderline unplayable. If the host went down, he’d close app and everyone else would too while the connection interrupted screen appeared. I’ll always remember BO3 as the last game where I regularly played public matches. After that I mostly just played solo or with friends

[@CJSanta]

And they called me crazy when I said bo3 has some of the worst players. It's because of all aspects of the game that make them that way.

[@arnathan1792]

@@CJSanta I still like BO3 but I still remember all the problems this game had at launch and throughout its lifecycle. I don’t remember the notion in the community about BO3 being the best zombies game coming up until about Chronicles

[@W1nkz]

The problem I have with gobblegums is not a balancing problem, but it's how you get them. With the new model they have with cod you will only be able to get gobblegums through the battlepass or in shop bundles that will cost you 2500 cod points. They will never have a lootbox system ever again because they have to show rates and activison never wants that to happen.

[@CJSanta]

I imagine with that system they might make even MORE money selling players a pay to win option. This might actually be worse...

[@thekekman8483]

I don't think Bo3 is easy cause of gobblegums, its just generally easy. The three hit down and movement mechanics make it easier to avoid hits and dodge than in previous games. I think the ADS times were also messed with, but I can't be certain. Overall Bo3 was, from what i can tell, just faster paced than Bo2 and the gameplay changes reflected that, which also reflected in zombies as being ridiculously easy by comparison. Whenever i play Bo2 i simply pay slightly more attention so i dont get cornered, in Bo3 if i have one of two particular default gobblegums i dont need to waste that extra 2% attention span. Yes, Bo3 is much easier, probably the easiest zombies we hav yet, but not because of gobblegums

[@VioletSky115]

Gobblegums ruined the high round community. I'm not sure I even need to explain how. (I will admit classics were fun but again, alchemical antithesis ruined interesting high round starts)

[@CJSanta]

It's all a big mess. If someone tells me they got to round 100 using power Vacuum and round Robbin. They're basically just admitting they don't have the skill to do it themselves.

[@ElmoIzMeh]

i hate that people are now celebrating glorified micro transactions

[@evanguideyt]

Time will tell with how gums will be like in bo6 wouldn't be shocked if it failed ngl i was more on the side that with bo3 and bo4 having a system like gobblegums that they shouldn't return so I'm cautious to see how it all plays out

[@aprazoh]

i don’t think zombies will ever be good again, they can’t even do the bare minimum world at war level zombies

[@CJSanta]

I still want to hold out some kind of hope though 😕

[@thedomainofsealteamaqua]

What’s funny, is an easy/medium/hard mode would literally fix the problem with those “filthy casuals.

[@Gee3Oh]

The game is out now and it's even worse than you expected. They closed the dashboard exploit and they made sure no one can grind them anymore by giving them out based on time played instead of rounds. That second one is worse because it means they're given out on Treyarchs schedule and there's nothing you can do to change that. I've written them off entirely.

[@ImCarpet]

The keeping your gooblegums thing isn’t a bug. It’s designed so if a host leaves a match or your game crashes or you lag out, then your gooblegums will be saved. Otherwise people would’ve been pissed.

[@beefynfn]

Bo4 elixirs had a major change that people didn't like outside of not being able to close app and keep them The earn rate of liquid divinium was up to 3 per match, so you can get 3 gobblegum if you maximize that The earn rate of nebulium plasma is up to 13 per match, I'm pretty sure 1 elixir costs 40np, so you have to play multiple games just to get 1

[@beefynfn]

@regilad_9043 you can also do challenges in Bo3 that give you extra, so your whole point is redundant, also you shouldn't have to wait until it's on sale just for it to be worth it smh

[@CJSanta]

I'm not trying to argue, but I don't think that's true at all. Aside from the daily challenges, which give you massive amounts of plasma, the earn rate percentage is much higher and more frequent. I think it would be interesting to look at time played to earn to see which currency can be gained faster and more frequently.

[@Coey04]

Weirdly I like gobblegums despite me almost NEVER using them

[@THUNDERZVOICE]

I never actually knew about the glitch in bo3 until this video, and even after knowing about this glitch I will not abuse it because it kinda ruins the point in using them

[@CJSanta]

Good lad, stay true to morals 🫡

[@RandoManFPV]

The gobble gum keeping glitch cannot be patched. This is a persistent glitch across plenty of patches on tons of games. It's exactly the same as duping glitches on minecraft that manipulate the save point/save timing

[@Jinx_Birdy]

I love how everything you say is EXACTLY true and nobody wants to admit it. Nobody will be satisfied with gobblegums in bo6 because waahhh they aren’t as good as bo3 and there’s no glitch to keep them and close application. Bo6 is literally just Cold War 2 and that was the easiest cod ever made so the next game will be only easier to with gobblegums on top of it

[@CJSanta]

@Jinx_Birdy I would actually be pleasantly surprised is the gums weren't broken, you could only get them by earning them and the game was challenging again. That's honestly what I'm hoping for 🙏

[@Nazrat84]

This is something that blows Zombies players mind, but in spite of how popular the mode is, people primarily just want to kill Zombies, and the Gobblegums as a tool made that aspect much easier. When the game has complicated set ups, quests and EEs without a vehicle to do so easily, the player base drops to the floor and it only leaves behind the hardcore players which there's *far* less of. This is why Cold War was as huge as it was, as it simplified every aspect of the mode for the silent majority, and is also why BO3 had staying power because of the Gobblegum, as intricate as those maps are, they're not nearly as tough with a cruise control mechanic.

[@sowhazupguy]

BO3 was surprisingly scummy for how fondly people look back on it. I liked the gameplay of zombies and multiplayer, but the microtransactions of both modes really really ruins it for me.

[@Skylancer727]

I mean the elixirs in BO4 were also just objectively less effective in general. That means they don't give the satisfaction they did in BO3.

[@Tradingarts196]

Your channel is underrated af. You should have 100k+ subs keep it up bro

[@CJSanta]

@@Tradingarts196 Hope one day to get to that point! 👌

[@Tradingarts196]

@@CJSantayou got it keep grinding, your new video you put a lot of work into I’ve been listening to it like a podcast while playing today lol

[@hobo_hobo_17]

What i don’t get is if they actually intentionally left the dashboarding in the game in an attempt to “keep more players” i think they actually lost out on a ton of money if that’s the case i mean people weren’t spending nearly as much money because they never lost gums anyway and not only that but it actually had the reverse effect where more people quit playing because of people doing this so in no way did this do them any favors in my opinion if it was on purpose

[@dznava927]

I agree with you men! I always hated the gobblegum system I actually think the elixir system was better, more to it I think elixir system was made so that players actually played and earn them. Plus with contracts and 2x plasma you could get a lot of elixirsz

[@Sandman2000_HotTake]

I think the consumables from Cod WW2 were the only good Gobblegum System because it was perfectly balanced

[@cnj5643]

me when i spread misinformation

[@josuegutierrez1553]

​@@cnj5643 Lmaooo

[@Shirohige4yonko]

I think that's a former sledgehammer developer 😂

[@tyreed7227]

Cj coming out here laying out that cold hard facts and logic

[@ynt1040]

I hate gobblegums so much, pubs take 30 mins to find a game then when you do, little timmy pops his perkaholic, goes down on round 4 (which blows my mind completely), then dashboards in record time. Players on bo3 would die on the cross for their perkaholics and will defend gobblegums till the day they die. They encouraged paying for in game advantages and were simply a bad inclusion (save for the classics). And before some idiot replies by telling me not to use them, yes I am aware I can make the choice to not use them, but I cannot stop the people in the lobby from using shopping free and reign drops to ruin the match

[@josuegutierrez1553]

I don't think the gobblegums are going to be that unbalanced or had a unfair system like BO3 again. Actually I don't think they will be similar to anything we had seen before, they can't be a gacha or supply drop, rng. This system was will be something else, what exactly? No idea

[@CJSanta]

🤞 here's hoping it's good and not pay to win

[@jasonblundelldobebussing]

My thoughts exactly, man. Screw the gums! Screw the MTX system.

[@cakes9962]

i never sympathized with the appeal of gobble gums. they turned already easy zombies mode (it was substantially easier than waw/bo1/bo2 because of the 3 hit system and weapons that were too good + double tap doubled their damage)

[@LagSammiches]

Yep it felt like players instantly forgot that gobblegums were basically microtransactions from a mobile game shoved into zombies. I remember seeing people criticizing the hell out of their addition to the game. But people just couldn't stop watching 100 gobblegum spin videos with their slackjaw face and empty eyes. Now people are probably going to eat up this regurgitated slop in BO6. Gamers deserve exactly what they get.

[@damndanielcruz6754]

For me I really enjoyed the gobblegum system and elixirs mostly because I sticked to classics as much as I could

[@colelossal7992]

I think the reason why people liked the og gum system is the same reason cold war zombies was loved because of the gums were so broken it made the game have no challenge and be incredibly casual. Amd having an exploit to keep all of their progression destroying gums theyre gonna say its a great system.

[@CJSanta]

The path of least resistance... 🥲

[@sealake7935]

I also hate how Gobblegums still allowed players to rank on the leaderboard… So, of course someone who spent $100s on Gobblegums would rank higher than a player who didn’t… Literally pay to win

[@PinkSpaceDinosaur]

I agree though I don’t think Cold War is bad for being easy. I find it fun to not really pay attention and I can actually get to higher rounds without the game’s pace slowing down dramatically. It was the first CoD I actually tried to get Mastery Camo on (which I did). HOWEVER, the balancing of BO2 is the best of any CoD, hands down. A lot of people say Double Tap II is too OP, but nobody ever complains about the gums from BO3. Point in case, BO3 is easy if you get gums, but I agree the hit speed is really bad. BO2 balancing needs a return

[@CardiacYew-xt5zq]

Gobblegums will already be on lauch. Really pisses me off that people preorder solely for them

[@anthonyriego659]

Literally, Gobblegums were worst thing because they were subject to be a instant win button and glitches

[@SMIL3rX]

I liked them. They were cute, earnable and fun. Glad theyre returning for bo6. Was also quite fond of bo4s elixer system.

[@SMIL3rX]

Or just don't use them at all and coordinate that with your team on a group post.

[@LeftoverAtoms]

Black Ops 3 Zombies was still way too easy even without the Gobble Gums, Weapon Kits, and the Slide Exploit.

[@CJSanta]

I disagree with that 🙃 Take away widows and it's a different story.

[@LeftoverAtoms]

​@@CJSanta Ehh maybe I just got way too good at the game? It feels like all of those mechanics aren't necessary to play zombies at least for me. It takes away from the challenge and makes the game a tad boring.. it would be fantastic if we got difficultly options in BO6.

[@arieson7715]

Gobblegums would be perfect in my opinion if they could be craftable from etherium crystals or something and not fucking lootbox bullshit.

[@CJSanta]

That might be what they do in bo6. I'll say it here, if they ONLY allow you to earn gums by playing the game, I will not have much of a problem with it.

[@MasterEth]

I also disliked the system, just an easy microtransaction gate. just give me the system from BO 1 or 2 and I'm good. I want BO6 to actually be good. If I could have the option to turn off gobblegum, that would be great.

[@BOTxMIKE]

You could just not to use them

[@mrcrowthebird9836]

@@BOTxMIKE Public lobby’s use bubblegum and it ruin games

[@CJSanta]

​@@BOTxMIKEyeah, me not using the gums while my teammates open the entire map on round one, give me perks I don't want a pop nukes every five seconds is really something I can avoid in public matches...

[@BOTxMIKE]

@@mrcrowthebird9836 why u should even play with randoms?

[@sonicthehedge]

I think Gobblegums are pretty balanced when it's only the free ones. The free ones are a pretty nice addition to the game. The paid/premium ones are stupid though.

[@AlaKaZap5404]

I don't outright hate gobblegums but I do agree it lowered the skill bar of the player base significantly. I tend to never use op gums like immolation, shopping free, perkaholic, or self medication since they're so broken that it just makes the game not fun anymore, but most Randoms I play with have no shame! Round 1 they're poppin immolation, shopping free, reign drops, and on the houses. Like bro, chill, you just wanna put on creative mode or what?! Overall I don't hate the gums as I say they still do enhance the gameplay a bit and act as a sort of temporary perk or instant aid to help you get through a round but they should have never have added the god gums like perkaholic. Like they should have just had unquenchable or on the house be only thing to give u another perk past 4.

[@matthewboyd8689]

Gobble gums being a cool down system like the stuff you bring into DMZ might be a good fix (and perk limit) But im guessing its gonna be heavily based on microtransactions. So, Imma wait and see if the zombies is made for the fans or the prodits before I buy.

[@MrTeamFoolish]

This is the first time I heard of the glitch lol

[@LiterallyJustRAM]

same, i play on the BOIII client so like, i have no reason to use this glitch if i can just spawn in with my chosen gums

[@CJSanta]

​@@LiterallyJustRAMbasically it's just having infinite gums.

[@sirjwan]

i think if they bring them back it would be cool if you lose them after using them then dying but if u can exfil then u keep them, as long as bo6 is difficult enough this would be a good middle ground between how they were supposed to be and how they ended up being with the dashboard glitch

[@MaD_MrL]

I wonder if they’ll merge the gobble gun systems with the covenants from vanguard?

[@CJSanta]

Oh that'd be interesting, wonder how they'd do it 🤔

[@GUSSYAVO]

If you can get gobblegums like in bo3 by playing, I’m fine with it. At the end of the day gobblegums can’t hurt players, just zombies. The P2W argument can’t stand if you don’t hurt anyone but yourself

[@GUSSYAVO]

The only thing I’m actually worried about is the weapons, the perks and the maps.

[@Zombie4583]

No it can it's hurting players by forcing non gobblegum players to play a less fun experience. It's not fun to have someone open the whole map. It's not fun that gums like on the house give you dead shot taking up a perk slot forcing you to down and re buy your perks.

[@williamcooper8599]

I find it funny when people say BO3 is easier cause it’s a 3 hit down

[@thebareminimalguy5909]

There actually is a glitch for the BO4 Elixirs, if you disconnect your internet connection from your console/pc whilst your in the game. You’ll disconnect mid match and save your elixir’s that you used. 😅😆

[@fernandomaxis6550]

Being honest, at first i thought they were cool. Had fun using a new feature. But after perkaholic and power vacuum being spammed it made zombies feel boring and theater mode empty. (I like rewatching my games) I hope they add separate modes one for those game breaking gums and classic mode for those who just want zombies fun. Maybe a third for black ops 4 aggressive special mobs and cold war hyper mode thing they had in game you could activate. For a challenge.

[@deepfriedbollocks4402]

I disagree, I never used the close app glitch. I just preferred having the gobble-gum machine over having 4 elixirs available. I love talismans though they're cool

[@CJSanta]

If you never used the glitch, good you have integrity! But they're still completely unbalanced and take all challenge and progression out of the game.

[@ultimatezayman]

False - I don’t do the glitch because I want to keep my XP and keep prestige-ing. BO4 elixers are “weaker” because they’re harder to earn (as far as I can remember) and some megas and classics were switched. For example, you no longer have the classic In Plain Sight - it could be a mega, but I’m not sure.

[@elizaleski9618]

Man, the four maps at launch was too much. I need time to learn the map. Build a relationship with it and be hype for the future. I think it was a good call to release with 2 maps. MrTLexify makes this point many times

[@CJSanta]

@elizaleski9618 I don't think launching with more content, when we don't get less content throughout the dlc season is a good argument whatsoever. Black ops 2 also had two main maps with tranzit and nuketown, while having 3 survival maps as well. That game also gave us 4 dlc maps throughout its season. Less is only better when the content is there within the maps and Cold War failed in that aspect with Die Machine.

[@ThunderStruck115]

They had four years to develop the game. Two maps isn't enough. Also, I can't believe I need to point out the fucking obvious, but if there's more to learn about the maps, that means the player is engaged with the game for longer. Lex is a fucking dumbass.

[@bryonhughes7943]

@@CJSantabo2 had TranZit on launch which people hate bo2 didn’t do well in zombies til Mob people were incredibly concerned about zombies future after die rise two maps should be the gold standard of launch only games that hit that gold standard were bo1, and BO3, bo4 was a lot of content in those four maps but a lot of bugs and issues as well

[@CJSanta]

@bryonhughes7943 this notion that Mob saved bo2 is dubious at best. While the map was fantastic and ushered in a new era of zombies, there no notable drop in player counts for bo2 at all during its launch and first dlc. Bo2 is one of the most populated games of the time, and while tranzit had its issues, it had alot of eyes on it from the community due to the mystery of the map. And for casuals, Town was the best experience with all that they could want right infront of them.

[@bryonhughes7943]

@@CJSanta there is no way to prove that player count was higher or lower I referring to community sentiment which it was very negative until Mob the only good thing at launch was town and mule town zombies I think that was at launch correct me if I’m wrong which idk from what I remember the community was very wishy washy about that map point is bo2 started off incredibly poorly but ofc it got better

[@FerociousPancake888]

Black ops 3 custom zombies is really the only way you can play new content that is actually good anymore

[@Richtofen]

hitspeed was increased cause it we got 3 hit downs not 2 hit downs. and the bo4 gobblesystem isnt disliked because of the close app glitch it was disliked because they made so you had more incentive to spend more because of the cooldown on the classics they introduced post launch forcing you to use more megas and therefore spending more money. this was never a community problem this was an activison problem.

[@CJSanta]

The hitspeed was increased because of 3 hit downs... and WHY was it changed to 3 hit downs???? 👀 👀 👀 You know jugg doesn't give you more hits in bo3 just because of the 3 hit at the start. You die nearly twice as fast with the same perk.

[@xdenoxxl]

classic gums were an amazing addition to the game, they were just these little things that made the game a little more unique, but I have to admit that with some of the mega gobblegums they really lost the plot, I mean the only good thing those op mega gums bring to the game is to speedrun the easter egg, other than that they just straight up remove any difficulty from the game, I really hope in black ops 6 they only bring back those classics like anywhere but here or that one gum where you get ammo for every point that you get, but I doubt it because people would much rather pay money for op gums than some classics.

[@Galaga_G]

FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT

[@MechNINJ4]

Just hoping for the best return to zombies yet

[@jandatorres6017]

I felt like they were necessary for preventing unfair downs. To be honest, I'm not sure what percentage of my downs were instadowns in bo3. Dont get me started on bo4. Without the shield on, you are at a constant risk of random backshots killing you with no idea what you did wrong. Probably why dying wish was introduced.

[@CJSanta]

But that's the issue, that's what I'm talking about. "The gums save you from unfair downs" and those downs were made that way so you would USE the gums. It's a vicious cycle more diabolical than the cycle on Mob of the Dead 😭

[@jandatorres6017]

@CJSanta don't get me wrong, this was very intentional by design. Bo4 just isn't fun for my by its design alone. Bo6 is either going to be for babies or masochists.

[@1321-k6h]

I mean, I liked the gobblegums. Didn’t even know there was a glitch

[@LiterallyJustRAM]

same, after playing bo3 for years, i've nevere heard of this

[@CJSanta]

​@@LiterallyJustRAMit ruins public matches because so many people instantly dashboard if they think they're going to lose their gums

[@LiterallyJustRAM]

@@CJSanta I see, I was living under a rock this entire time xd

[@Choppascythe]

Cold War made every weapon good so they could all be viable and nothing would be op and the no perk line isn’t that bad

[@ThatGuy_921]

Yea I’ve been saying this all the time like I love bo3 but gums absolutely breaks public’s and can even ruin people experience who play with classics but gums also give some crazy experimental gameplay

[@ThatGuy_921]

And a lot of bo3 players are pretty bad at the game cause they are carry by gums

[@smoovenorris]

So bo6 is gonna be more fun than Cold War, sign me up

[@CJSanta]

I hope so 🙏

[@0xycon]

Even without gobble gum bo3 isn't that hard. bo3 has some of the best weapons in zombies and the best movement of any zombies game. I'll admit that many gobble gums do cheapen the progression of the game but them being optional makes that a non-issue. Sometimes it's fun to just hop on and pop a Perrkaholic or to use a rain drops. It's obviously not a perfect system and the insistence on them lead to the lack of perks on bo3 which sucks but it doesn't mean that they aren't a good concept. Hopefully in bo6 they rework the system so that gobble gums are completely free and easily earn in game but im sure that activison will find a scummy way to monetize them unfortunately.

[@thedomainofsealteamaqua]

Honestly, anything past bo2 is for babies. Want hard? Play WAW and BO1 zombies. Unforgiving, brutal, ragequit causing gameplay.

[@Arbiter1414]

Im not quite as passionate in hating the gums, i liked the classics in bo3, it felt like they could get a little creative with the abilities that dont quite deserve a perk slot. I prefer them and the elixirs to cold wars abilities as they felt a bit too strong when fully leveled, which is something i feel like people do gloss over wity cold war, its not too easy at first its just when you max your perks and guns it becomes easy.

[@CJSanta]

For the most part I don't have much against the classics in bo3 or 4. But Alchemical really should have been a mega...😅

[@Arbiter1414]

@CJSanta I mean they got that in bo4 at least, bo4 definitely made the regular ones less busted

[@therealmisterj20]

I heavily disagreee with your sentiment that people only liked the gobblegums because you could glitch and keep them. I have literally never done that, and i still enjoy the system because it adds variety and replayability to the maps. I would say at least 90% of players didn't even know about this glitch. You can make the argument that gums make the game too easy, but you can honestly just not use them, and that fixes the problem. I also dont think they're gonna have any weird triple hit zombies like BO3 to incentivize you to use the gobblegums, especially since they're not monetizing them at all this time around. Love your unique zombies takes, but I have to disagree with this one.

[@CalixtoGarciaIniguez1898]

My first reaction went seeing gobblegums in bo6 it was awesome that they’re going to bring it back like black ops three. But it gave me second thought that what’s the point of having them considering how easy Cold War zombies was easy and BO6 is going to be exactly like CW instead of BO3.

[@bryonhughes7943]

We really don’t know about difficulty yet my guess is there will be a causal mode and normal mode

[@Choppascythe]

Bo4 elixirs we’re just more balanced gums and they are probably bringing back gums for money and to bring back fans

[@NeygaFaygoot]

bo3 is not difficult or more difficult than previous games. The gum just speeds up the gameplay and if you get 1 hacked lobby you never have to worry about divinium again. Adding more perks would have been a cluster fuck because bo3 already had the great old perks. Plus the rng of the gum means you don’t get game breaking gum every round and it gets super expensive to reroll the machine so you can’t just spam it to get the gum you want forever. So what if people like the glitch? Seems reasonable that you’d want to keep your property

[@kushty_dogg5822]

Bro literally sounds like Mordecai