The Golden Age of Dungeons & Dragons is Ending

[@AndrewJHayford]

Their books had gone downhill before OGL debacle was even announced. I don't know how they can't follow the same formula Paizo has developed for releasing books it just makes so much sense. Every "Season" 1) Release an adventure path players and GM's can get excited about and get your community jazzed to play. This AP should have some kind of unique interesting thing that pulls players and GM's back to play. 2) Build your marketing around it and theme all your branding around it 3) Release a setting book to support the new AP for that season 4) Release a player options book to support the new AP with unique player options specifically for the AP or Setting that season 5) Theme your organized play around this seasonal theme 6) Profit. They sort of had this going for a while, and somehow lost it with all these weird partial garbage combined setting AP books that don't really tell a complete campaign arc. Also, many of their adventures really aren't that good as written, even the "good" ones like Strahd and Out of the Abyss only really reach their full potential with heavy community modding.

[@Dortokaman]

Golden age of D&D was actually 1977 to 1988. That's was the era where all the settings and modules that became staples were created and are still copied until today.

[@DanyTheMe]

I don't think he's going by how iconic the content is, but golden age as in D&D is at the height of it's popularity and its playerbase is at its highest

[@googleuser2609]

Correct. And virtually everything that came after that period, was just a reiteration or reinvention of the unique creations of that Golden Era.

[@Kreln1221]

*The day that Loraine Williams usurped TSR and drove Gary Gygax from his own company, that was the end of the Golden Age...* 😕

[@doktordanomite9105]

Which edition was that?

[@Kreln1221]

@@doktordanomite9105 The one Gary Gygax wrote himself, AD&D 1st Ed.

[@doktordanomite9105]

@@Kreln1221 but first edition was an unplayable mess 😅

[@MagicianVideos]

So we're living through the past again but on a larger scale?...🤔

[@doktordanomite9105]

@@MagicianVideos no, i would say 3.5-5 has been pretty good im kinda weary if onednd

[@benjaminlocks]

Nah fam, the "Golden Age" was TSR. That being said, my goodness this was a wonderfully worded and well-thought video. The effort and the production is simply phenomenal and you presented it in a clear, concise manner that didn't take 45 minutes to make your point. Always remember the immortal words of Blizzard: "No King rules forever." and of course we all saw how that turned out. I'm not really sure why I was suddenly recommended this video - but you have absolutely earned a new subscriber in me! Keep up the great work man! And as a side note, that animated desktop background of the creepy castle on the hill in the rain is pure awesome! I wish I knew what it was from. Also: Praise the Emperor!

[@WinglessValkyrie]

Thanks for watching and the sub! I'm glad you enjoyed it ^.^ I wish I could tell you what that castle is but it's just "castle in a storm" on wallpaper engine, but it looks like the castle/cathedral from Dark Souls 3 DLC.

[@GreasusGoldtooth]

The Age of Dungeons and Dragons is over. THE TIME OF THE TTRPG HAS COME.

[@WinglessValkyrie]

🤣

[@fey9915]

I was waiting for pinkertons to jump out of those woods

[@WinglessValkyrie]

Now THAT would be some great content XD

[@ElGobbosito]

You say golden age, I called it the Part two of the Dark Age

[@HellCat_Kenny]

Came here to say this, beat me to it.

[@k.g.7591]

What makes you say that?

[@bjornh4664]

Well, all the recent furore made me dig out my BECM rulebooks. I look forward to play D&D like I did almost 40 years ago!

[@TheNanoNinja]

I was getting a bit bored of D&D 5e as a DM late 2022. Then with the OGL, I made an active decision not to buy any new WotC products. Since then, I have decided not to start any new D&D campaigns. I'm continuing a Campaign that I started in early 2022 under 5e rules. But I am very seriously considering changing to PF2.1e when the new books come out. Any new games or one shots I've ran in 2023 have been other systems, CyberPunk, Shadowrun mostly. I have been considering the idea of finding 4-5 other forever GM's and have a rotating GM group. Each person runs their own system of choice.

[@mbg4681]

7:49 This bit relies on the mistaken genericisation of D&D. Most people aren't D&D players; they're actually RPG players.

[@ToddPutnam]

The Golden Age of Shadowdark has just begun.

[@KoockieyMonzter]

That drone shot you did was dope! 100% worth a subscribe.

[@WinglessValkyrie]

Haha thanks :P I’d recommend checking out my “I hated this magic ability” video linked at the end screen for ( what I think ) is a WAY better use of the drone ^.^

[@raymondlugo9960]

Gygax age was the golden age for D&D.

[@ranekeisenkralle8265]

I dig those drone shots. Looks like quite the nice place where you are living there. Also thanks for the shoutout to Shadowrun ;-) It isn't strictly a space-setting though. Yes, it CAN go there, but it very, very rarely does. Sub-orbital flights at most. Because all the space-infrastructure is so very heavily secured that it is almost impossible to get there. Your average runner doesn't just walk - or float - into the Zurich-Orbital. Heck, even the very best are beyond loath to do that - because they know the risks.. But if it is a space-setting you are after, I would recommend the old Alternity-system. Discontinued for over 20 years at this point unfortunately, but the books are still out there. and with it you have the framework for roleplaying on various levels of tech ranging from Stone age all the way to Space Opera and Trek-levels of technology. Edit: Way to make a point about old things still being enjoyable past their prime by booting up the old Dawn of War. Gosh, that brings back memories. Waaay back in the day when GameSpy was still a thing during the development of DoW, I got lucky enough to be picked as one of the beta testers. Gosh, how long ago is that now? Also gotta be near 20 years at this point.

[@robertmoorhead2406]

Best current Scifi in space systems (according to me, comment section poster): Starfinder: D20. Pathfinder in SPACE. Lots of feats and classes, lots of published material. Relies heavily on Adventure Paths. Mongoose Traveller 2e: 2d6+Stat. Best version of one of the OG space games. Much lower progression curve then D&D, but has an excellent character gen system where players start as cadets and then make decisions (and gamble on stat progression) before their character retires and becomes a traveller. There is piles of material for the game because it's compatible with all of the Traveller stuff put out over the decades. Honorable mention to the cepheus system OGL for a similar experience at a far cheaper pricepoint. Mothership: D100 roll under. Indie darling scifi horror. Class based, high intensity sessions where character death is always on the table. Extremely cheap to get into, has an extremely active fan community. Stars Without Number: D20. Plays like a mashup of 1e DND and classic Traveller. Core rules are free online. Comes with an extremely versatile planet generation system. Leans toward harder scifi, combat is extremely lethal for players and NPCs alike. Solar Blades & Cosmic Spells: D20 roll under. Zany mashup of Star Wars style genre roulette with 90s ultraviolence, tied into a "roll between" system that prevents stat bloat. Has the most versatile space magic system of the bunch. Excellent world and monster generation rules.

[@KabukiKid]

The drone was honestly driving me nuts... the sound from it or something. heh

[@WinglessValkyrie]

It’s the river nearby unfortunately. The drone itself is very quiet but the river is not.

[@KabukiKid]

@@WinglessValkyrie Heh... that makes complete sense. :-) The perils of recording outdoors! lol

[@mbg4681]

3:18 Almost managed to hide that TimHo cup...

[@bhorrthunderhoof4925]

And if nothing fits you - create your own ruleset and your own world! NOW IS THE TIME.

[@Skimmer951]

A bit unrelated but I enjoy this sort of format with you and the drone and the good weather. It reminds me of taking a long walk with a friend having a long discussion as we walk. Very cozy.

[@WinglessValkyrie]

I'm glad you enjoyed it! I was nervous it would be too much movement for people to enjoy haha

[@m0urningl0ry]

Enjoyed the commentary, the b-roll, drone shots, and background music really were excellent.

[@stefanobaroncello450]

Sorry for my poor english. The real damage to the brand is got when Hasbro buy Wizards. They are greedily try to cut out all the others third partner from doing manuals and have money for creating that. Now augmented the prices of manuals on 20% for physical ones.

[@reyesraine]

Surprisingly what turned me off from Dungeons and Dragons this year is that the OGL and the growth in popularity of solo-ran TTRPGS such as what's covered on the channel Me, Myself and Die, Swords and Solitude and Solo Dungeon Master since 2020 has made me realise that I only enjoyed Dungeons and Dragons for the social aspect, hanging out with friends and having a day playing a game. On it's own, I had no interest in the fantasy setting and the concept of using indie material to completely change the game to a new setting, rules system etc. made no sense because if I changed everything about DnD then why play DnD? Why not make my own system? I didn't, I'd bought the Call of Cthulhu books for Halloween and now I play those solo because the world genuinely interests me and even if I can't find a group to play with, the passion is still there to play alone.

[@jacktimson2401]

Knave 2E was funded in a matter of minutes. Now it's over half a mil. And I'm stupid excited to try it; I finally got a group to try the beta with and it's been oodles of fun. Amazing vid, btw

[@Nerm1s]

For dungeons and daddies, they tend to treat rules as loose guidelines, and I would follow along for any new game types they try.

[@WinglessValkyrie]

Fair enough 👍🏻

[@Oreosforlunch]

Opening Dawn of War at the end of the video is a nice touch. Games Workshop has had many more controversies than WotC in regards to their own Warhammer IP (both in 40k and Fantasy versions), but the old Dawn of War 1 is still a good, enjoyable game despite being a product of an old era and tied to one of GW's IPs. You are still allowed to enjoy it, just as you are allowed to enjoy DnD in its many iterations and forms as well.

[@Pit_Wizard]

You call it the end of the "golden age", I call it the continuation of WotC shitting the bed as they have since the late 2000s.

[@SeanFranchise]

Haha! I was literally wondering where my Dawn of War 1 DVD went last night! Great call out!

[@danielramsey6141]

Honestly, we were NEVER in a GOLDEN AGE! We were in a Age of Broken Boundaries with D&D! The TSR days were plagued with BS from not just the Societal scene, but also from behind the curtain when a majority of their Creators and CEOs were either bickering, fighting, or actively sabotaging each other! The Transfer to WOTC was arguably both good and bad, but at the same time it has worked out in their favor pretty damn good. But Ultimately D&D created the Adventure Table Top Genre, and that’s what’s ultimately remembered about D&D! It helped to Spawn a lot of creative minds to Make stuff like COC, Cyberpunk, Dungeon World, and So Much More! Even stuff based on existing Franchises! So even if Dungeons and Dragons did die, it would still live on in a Metaphorical sense. But I regardless of how people feel, There is still enough content to run Games for D&D. 5E is not the Worst system, sure, may not be as Crunchy as 3E or 3.5E, but it can grow, and taking elements of certain systems and using it in 5E can improve a game, you just gotta ask if your players are into that. But Honestly, I’m fine with playing this game, I will always defend playing this game, because there is so much to gain. Sure, there are other games. I’m currently investing time into learning how “Fabula Ultima” TTRPG works, and I love it due to my love of the “Final Fantasy” genre. Which we can also thank D&D for inspiring into existence with the likes of Wizardry! :)

[@XetaStation]

For me, the end was just after the release of Fizban’s. I haven’t purchased a single book from WOTC since, and have only purchased either other TTRPGs or 3rd party 5E content.

[@tomesofawesome8041]

I've always thought of the next age being called the Nocturnal Wasteland. I imagine that, that age is where the historical events of Vin Diesel's film, "The Lat Witch Hunter" take place.

[@ollywright]

A D&D video filmed by drone was not on my list! Nice one. And good points made in the video, you well could be right.

[@WinglessValkyrie]

I like experimenting and being different haha :P thanks for watching ^.^

[@AJPickett]

Amen. (also, I love Dawn of War!)

[@GrimPrism]

It’s the financial Golden Age for WotC but it’s been the dark age for consumers since the start of 5th edition

[@somecallmetimelderberries432]

I agree, Hasborg has shot themselves in the foot, and I don't think they can recover from it.

[@josephcarriveau9691]

My brother, the Golden Age of Dungeons and Dragons ended when WotC took over the brand and reprinted the 2E content without the high quality art. We're 25 years into the game having less artistic direction, more roll-dependence, and less role-relevance. We're at the end of the plastic age of D&D, not the end of the golden age.

[@arch3ddraftsman]

I missed this "golden age" of D&D. We moved to Pathfinder later to Savage Worlds and most Recently to Indie games. Our old group's Golden Age of D&D was from late 80's to the early 90's Good memories. BUT, our groups kids, that are in their 20's now LOVE 5e D&D, and they have been playing and riding this Golden Age like crazy, even more than us. In contrast I have almost no interest in 5e.

[@joruairc]

Great video man! Subbed

[@WinglessValkyrie]

Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it ^.^

[@Itachi45481]

I'm planning to acquire all the current 5th edition book volo and tomb for example and the last books of the edition but after I feel I'm out play 5e and not the new one

[@timbergoat2568]

It's kind of cool to think about how D&D 5E is kinda a complete game in a similar vein to pathfinder 1E, no more updates or books being released. If you want more content time to make it.

[@danielramsey6141]

Ooor! You can look into companies like Green Ronin Games, Goodman Games, Kobold Press, And Legendary Games for that Extra bit of content that’s missing! I mean it, all four of these groups publish some really Good Shit! :)

[@grardo]

Alright, I didn't expect this video to be this possitive

[@WinglessValkyrie]

Keeping you on your toes :P

[@grardo]

@@WinglessValkyrie It wouldn't be the first time I encounter a DnD purist that gets mad about everything and thinks people should play DnD their way so... I'm glad this wasn't the case

[@timjfads]

I've been playing DnD is before 2e (AD&D days) but I have always bounced around n tried new systems. There are too many good ones to ignore

[@sirellyn]

D&D's "Golden Age" was 1-3e. Technically it's AD&D if you want to narrow it. Only thing left that's worthwhile is OSR.

[@NerdOfChaos]

Speaking of golden this video is really well made, it looks very professional

[@WinglessValkyrie]

Thanks m8 :3

[@brianinthebunker7407]

Nah. It ended when Dave A. Walked out of TSR. -Brian

[@patrickmiller4229]

This may be the end of *another* golden age of D&D and into another Dark Age, but I think we'll probably see another reinassance in some fashion.

[@Apeiron242]

Good. They deserve to go under for sending the Pinkertons to some guy's house over some MtG cards. They deserve it for the racist/sexist executive's comments. They deserve it for the OGL fiasco. For not making 4E open source when they were done with it.

[@stephenblevins3829]

You better take all that back or the Pinkertons will be coming for you! 🙃

[@WinglessValkyrie]

I'm in Canada! Let them come!!

[@kevoreilly6557]

Pinkerton are international :) Parent company is Swedish!! Viking Pinkertons!!

[@WinglessValkyrie]

@@kevoreilly6557 FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[@smithsmith1956]

I never really got into actually playing. Not good at making friends and im bad at social situations due to a form of autism. But i love reading their books for the lore. Read a bunch of the dragon lance books and the various other DND novels along with the player books, modules, etc.

[@WinglessValkyrie]

Hope you're enjoying the dragonlance novels! I'm running a Dragonlance campaign currently and the players are having a blast ^.^

[@indiana47]

I never bought 3rd party before the OGL and now I exclusively buy 3rd party 5e. I downloaded Kickstarter in the first week after the drama and I have now spent over $1k USD on 3rd party books. I'm staying with 5e, but boycotting WOTC.

[@janbefus-nogel2895]

Love the location 👍

[@masterofyugioh1000]

There's plenty of classic info out there easy to use and just homebrew EVERYTHING else

[@ADT1995]

I would call this the silver age of dungeons and dragons, because I'm pretty sure the golden age has already been claimed. I personally think its been going downhill for a bit, but WotC compounded that by doing three things simultaneously 1. Massive decrease in quality 2. Announce a new edition of DnD 3. And the whammy, piss off your entire fan base, turning people who were playing other systems from a vast minority to being widespread, and also causing all of everyone's favorite 3pp to publish things in a different system (often one of their own creation) With all of this happening at the same time, especially with as you mentioned raising prices on books I agree we are going into a new TTRPG renaissance, without wizards of the coast. To put into perspective how bad the WotC brand name is, when my group went to look at other systems and found that Pathfinder 2e wasn't to our liking, instead of reverting to 5e we went back to playing Pathfinder 1st edition (the vote was between Pathfinder 1e, GURPS, and Shadowrun, Pathfinder 1e was the only system we had all played in more than one campaign of so it fairly easily won that competition)

[@ImperatorFreedomFries]

this is eerily similar to a conversation I had with friends a few days ago. The MTG Pinkerton issue soured my friends more than the OGL debacle did. Ive been trying to set up a different system for a while and these issues have made my friends want to try others. The movie also helped greatly to get normies into it, but the bad blood is so bad now people are itching for a new system.

[@Doodle1776]

I am surprised at the sheer number of people though who remain DnD loyal, no matter how many times WOTC insults them, spits into their faces, and gives them crap products. Like battered spouse syndrome, "they love WOTC" not matter how poorly WOTC treats them. There are good companies that make good games, that slip between the cracks in favor of bigger companies. Gaming companies like Troll Lord Games with the Castes & Crusades system (Great because you can still use all of your 5e stuff with it) or Goodman Games and the host of systems that they make stuff for.

[@danielramsey6141]

Because it ain’t about WOTC. It’s about what’s Accessible in the Area! Not every town has a game store separate from “Barnes and Nobles”. And not every town has that either 😢.

[@Doodle1776]

@@danielramsey6141 that doesn't fly in 2023. You are literally using the internet to comment about how people cannot get literally any other option than WOTC or DnD when you can, with that same internet, get any game system in the entire world sent directly to you. Hell, most alternative game systems also deal both in physical and PDF copies of their works, the latter of which are cheaper because they cost less to make. Unlike WOTC who will charge you the same price for a very limited digital access are their site only as they do for their poorly made books. So, instead of doing anything people would rather remain with a company that treats them like crap because they are afraid to try something different or they are brand boys. Like battered spouse, they keep returning to the abuser because "I love him/her!"

[@archersfriend5900]

You mean like, Nike?

[@Doodle1776]

@@archersfriend5900 I haven't purchase Nike in decades entirely because of their use of what amounts to slave labor, then jacking up the prices for a name. But it also does apply that people will continue to support a company that insults or craps all over them simply because of being "brand loyal" or wanting the name attached to it. In TTRPGs it is really a mix of "brand loyal" and fear of change. People will twist 5e to be anything and everything instead of actually getting a game built from the ground up to be that thing they are looking for. So, WOTC spits in their faces, pisses in their beds, pours sugar in the gas tanks, and they still hand over their money to them.

[@AnthonySimeone]

Just in time for the 50th anniversary...

[@DexteroExplosion]

I'm looking forward to playing Dune with you!

[@hellsbreach]

I love this video. The points and arguments where worded in a well structured and digesable way. I agree that the TTRPG community has evolved to a point where D&D cannot survive without their support, and theve been loosing it. I also love how far your production quality has come. The effort you've been putting into these videos defiantly shows.

[@WinglessValkyrie]

Glad you're still enjoying the videos ^.^

[@rickc-arelsii6276]

If anything, this whole debacle has gotten me to go back to the World of Darkness. I'd forgotten how much fun it was to play in that setting. *grins in Gangrel*

[@sofiagoee6025]

Danger hart is not out yet is it

[@WinglessValkyrie]

Not yet but a preview of it is coming this year sometime.

[@dustinvognild8128]

Insightful video

[@saraphys5555]

Sorry mate, The golden age of D&D was between 1989-1996... during Second Edition. 2E had everything; it had rules, it had settings, it had adventures, it had monsters, it had character options, it had it ALL! (except Eberron). Point out anything from any other version of D&D, and 2E did it better... now, it was more of a mess sometimes, sure, but overall...the best.

[@Wendorf_Jenkins]

Very succinctly said, I think your analysis of the situation is spot on. My play group has discussed changing systems and tried our hands at creating our own for our tables!

[@WinglessValkyrie]

Best of luck if you do build your own system!

[@shaclown7721]

HOLY SHIT! you're playing Dawn of War?! You madlad! Such a gem, instant nostalgia!

[@AngelusNielson]

I haven't technically played D&D since pathfinder 1.0 came out. So yah, I agree with you.

[@lughheim835]

There’s 2 main issues I have with your arguments regarding D&D. First, yes there are tons of different tabletop role playing games that can do specific styles of gameplay well (like Call of Cthulhu for example as you mentioned). But this is not really as damaging against D&D as you might think. The main thing which has kept D&D as popular as it has been especially with 5th edition is it’s probably the most simplified and easy to understand TTRPG currently out there. Pretty much anyone can learn the system basics in about half an hour and be able to play the game relatively well. This compounds with the fact that D&D encompasses every genre out there as it’s meant to be a catch all brand. It’s got horror, sci fi, classic fantasy, political intrigue, puzzles, pretty much anything you can think of. A lot of other systems simply don’t have this, and most people in my experience do not want to spend the money and take the time to learn an entirely new system for each genre of game, as D&D is already considered relatively complicated compared to other game systems. Hell, even getting my friends to try and play starfinder which is very similar to D&D was like pulling teeth. Secondly, you have to remember that D&D has been the face of tabletop games from day 1. Brand recognition is extremely important and there isn’t a single other system that is nearly as popular. Sure WOTC can be a shitty company but when has that ever truly affected sales in any significant way? Look at gaming companies like EA or Blizzard. Doesn’t matter how much shit they shovel in peoples mouth, as long as they stay popular and keep making big title games they will still be massively profitable companies. Even when talking about more similar situations like card games we run into the same cold hard facts. There have been a million different card based games over the years and yet Magic the Gathering is still consistently the most popular. It’s been that way for a very long time and it’s going to stay that way until/unless the company goes under and if it ever does it will be long after all the smaller card game companies do. Long story short, if D&D enters a dark age it will mean ALL TTRPG games will be entering a dark age.

[@burntsquirrel2423]

I...completely disagree with everything here. D&D 5th is in no way the easiest or simplest TTRPG out there. Right off the bat, anything Powered by the Apocalypse is much simpler. FUDGE is a very straight forward and completely modular system that allows you to play exactly how you want to play. The issue I have had is specifically when teaching people who started out learning D&D. When they come from a background of only playing D&D, players tend to not want to learn new systems, and so teaching them anything else tends to be met with push back and reluctance. But every time I've taught someone to play TTRPGs from scratch, where they've never played before? I've always had an easier time teaching something like OVA, DCC, or Kids With Bikes. It's not the complexity that makes it hard to teach new systems, it's the sunk cost fallacy. As for the "It has everything that a lot of other systems don't have", let me again direct you to games like: FATE, FUDGE, GURPS, RIFTS, and OVA, game systems that are meant to be molded to fit exactly what you need. Want to play a horror survival? Easily done in all of these systems, including D&D. Want to do a purely political campaign of back-stabbing and sabotage? I'd recommend FATE or FUDGE over the others, but, everything here could do it, including D&D with some modifications and if you ignore a significant portion of class features. Want to play a high-school romance slice-of-life? I'll take literally any of the other systems listed here over D&D. D&D is not designed for everything. It's designed for Adventures and quests, tales of heroics and combat. But it isn't designed for stories about racing supped up racecars in space. It isn't designed for running scared in a collapsing city as two Kaiju fight for supremacy. And in the instance of Wizard's shitty decisions affecting sales in a significant way? It already has. I work in a game store, and D&D has been gathering dust on our shelves as more and more people are buying other RPGs. I have conversations with people almost every day about how they are looking to get into different RPGs, about how they've been meaning to try out Pathfinder and with everything going on with WotC/Hasbro, now is the time to change. I've seen more people leave Magic: The Gathering this year than I have seen in five. Not to mention during the OGL debacle, so many people canceled their D&D Beyond Subscriptions that Hasbro couldn't not notice. There is only so much straw you can pile on the camel's back, and when it breaks, that camel isn't getting back up. People are already fed up with WotC/Hasbro, and have been complaining for a while. We're reaching the point where it becomes easier to jump ship than continue course. Again, it's the sunk cost fallacy at play here.

[@llamatronian101]

For people living in the heart of the entire, their golden age is rich and decadent. For those living in the surrounding countries, it's a war-torn hellscape. Only the failure of the empire can bring freedom to the ttrpgs.😊

[@marioevildm7410]

I have stop buy Hasborg stuff, I only buy 5E from 3 rd party, and I will switch to Shadowdark TTRPG, and play some Warhammer 40k wrath & Glory TTRPG 😁😁🥓🥓 oh good video 😄

[@nicka3697]

I agree basically with everything you said but i don't see that Dimension 20 are locked into D&D. Their campaigns are short and that gives them room to manoeuvre very easily. If they want to play then next campaign using Pathfinder or Candela Obscura rules i doubt most of their viewers would care . Their fans tune in for laughs and drama with their supurb players and GMs not for how to play D&D tutorials.

[@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723]

Thanks my ROME PTSD is firing up,

[@creatio_ex_nihilo0]

I see where you are coming from with the "others can't switch, only CR can" point, but I kind of disagree. Most actual play media (podcasts, livestreams, etc.) seems to be mostly personality-driven and the ruleset is important ... but not the main draw. The retention-rate for them is quite low if the audience just doesn't jell with the performers and their style - but if the ruleset isn't quite theirs, most will gloze over this if they are having fun with the rest of the product. Personally I would love if D20, Dungeons & Daddies, etc. would switch to something more suiting their needs than using D&D for everything - I consume them *despite* D&D, not because of it. Will they do that? No. For most TTRPG-players "D&D" and "TTRPG" are synonymous and using "D&D" instead of the more generic "TTRPG" will yield more new consumers and is therefore better SEO. And at this point I would argue that such established brands as CR, D20 - yeah, even Dungeons & Daddies despite their name - could switch their ruleset because of their already secured fanbase (due to the personalities involved, not the ruleset) and simple word of mouth ("have you listened to XY? they are so funny!"), but those are just some of my thoughts.

[@Bl4ckDr4co]

Shadowrun... is space now???

[@WinglessValkyrie]

That was a bit of a stretch what I said 😬

[@brianinthebunker7407]

Subbed - Brian

[@nathanmorgan3647]

The golden age ended quiet a while ago. This here (hopefully) is the end of the monopoly tyrant empire DnD has enjoyed over the industry as a result of that golden age. Entropy is the state of all things, and legitimate competition breeds innovation and quality. I suspect DnD's decline will be the best thing to happen to the hobby.

[@kevoreilly6557]

There highway viewing was with Blades on the Dark !! Yeah, they don’t need D&D and actually rules light is better for viewing

[@anthonyambrose7830]

Wotc had to ruin it like they didn't make plenty of money

[@RPGRelicHunter]

Well done sir.

[@alfonsovallejo2665]

You say that, but everyone is buying the new phb. Just see how many survey responses there are.

[@Thkaal]

the golden age ended in the 80s

[@nordicmaelstrom4714]

The golden age of Dungeons and Dragons ended when wotc bought the IP from TSR. I left wotc games seven years ago and haven't looked back. Now I collect and play BECMI, AD&D 1E/2E and Mongoose Traveller 2nd edition/Traveller 2300AD. Honestly critical roll needs to go away just like wotc does. Both are very bad for the hobby but for different reasons. Critical roll gives a false representation of what actual play is like and so many new players who watch that stuff and then go to a game often leave when they find out its not like Critical Roll. wotc needs to learn we do not exist in their community, they exist in OUR community and have overstayed their welcome years ago and its time they go.

[@patrickmullen9485]

It’s the chrome age, Gen Z dude.

[@simonfernandes6809]

Most 5e players don't even know about the OGL b*****p and couldn't care less This is a well made video but it's only an invested minority who care enough to move from 5e. To all those comments saying the TSR era was the Golden Age, it was but 5e from 2016 to 2021 was the second Golden Age. Indie systems are NEVER going to dent the brand name power of D&D.

[@Demolitiondude]

Golden age of 3.5.

[@tw7086]

OSR is the golden age.

[@johnjenkins202]

Capitalism killed my hobby

[@Glyff3083]

The golden age of dnd ended with 3.5 chief...

[@WinglessValkyrie]

I recommend you watch my other video discussing when the golden age of D&D was for a different point of view.

[@dannylampron9879]

The golden age was advanced D&D they started to suck when wizards of the coast buyed D&D from TSR

[@MannyBrum]

For me, I'm a huge Forgotten Realms lore fan, though I'm not a fan of them changing the lore recently just to make more money (example, they changed the lore for Themberchaud entirely because the directors of the D&D movie convinced them it would be funny). I want to run another FR campaign, but I'm torn between doing it in PF2E or just using old school 5e (prior to the recent monster stat block simplification). I'm a little bit turned off by the fact PF2E is now releasing a revised edition. I just started getting into it and now the rules are going to be changing. I think the best thing to do is if they're going to change the rules, just make a new edition, or change minor things with errata. By doing an edition update they're essentially making it hard for DMs to run the old version because the new version supplants it. Most people who join a 5th edition game are going to want to play by the new rules because they perceive an update as better, and I feel the same will happen with PF2E. At least if you get a group together for 2e D&D or 3.5e D&D they know what they're going to be playing. Plus, the new 5th hasn't even come out and they've already made massive changes to monsters and NPCs, so this whole rollout is so convoluted who knows where 5e stops and revised 5e begins? I wish they'd give Ed Greenwood the rights back to FR so we could get some FR content for other systems.

[@Richforce1]

My advice, instead of FR try Lion and Dragon in the OSR. It's well researched, brutal and old school.

[@dinovaldo9341]

I saw the revised pf2e rules too, and as someone who is highly interested in the system, I did a little research into the new revision. From the looks of things, it appears to be fixing up some parts of classes and providing some new rules for focus points. The rules will stay mostly the same, just some minor changes here and there as well as hopefully some new class options.

[@indiana47]

I am a fan of Forgotten Realms and 5e, but not WOTC. My games will continue to take place and Toril and use 5e, but I won't be giving WOTC any money and I am glad I am able to do that.

[@BLOODKINGbro]

Ripsauce

[@garbo5728]

It looks like WOTC is dying a slow self induced death, RIP, all because of GREED.

[@CitznSnips]

The OGL fiasco got me into OSE. Thanks wizards. Also, walking with a drone is an amazing idea. Dimension20 plays games that are so heavily modified D&D I do not think it would effect their game too bad.

[@mrosskne]

i haven't played in a decade lmao. there are so many better systems

[@1776huckleberry]

Woke politics ruined races and their bonuses/penalties, but that was WoTC who capitulated, not paizo

[@JB-ym4up]

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[@Sidenonra]

Oh boy I gagged a little at the idea that only combat needs rules..Cause I never want to play a character that can do things that i cannot do, well besides killing stuff, duh. If you don't think rules should impact social interactions, you come off just same way as saying no one should be a fighter unless they know how to use a sword. Roll playing is about exploring new worlds and stories but by no means should socially awkward players should never play characters who have social graces?

[@WinglessValkyrie]

I understand what you’re trying to say but respectfully, I think your turning a anthill into a mountain here. Yes stat blocks and spells have an impact on role play as well as combat but you spend far more time deep in the game system during combat than any other time playing.

[@Sidenonra]

@@WinglessValkyrie With all due respect, I think you are acting like someone whose only tool is a hammer. There are many RPGs out there like D&D that spend the vast majority of their rules on combat, but that is not all of them nor is it the only way to make an RPG. Playing out an RPG is about telling a story and what part of a story your game focuses on changes what stories you tell. Let's set up a simple fantasy idea. There is a big evil army of undead coming to invade the several kingdoms. Your party wants to stop this horde, but there is civil, and political unrest as the several kingdoms were either recently at war or still at war with each other. There are at least three major things you could focus on in this campaign. You could focus on the logistical issues of moving and supplying your armed forces. You know repairing the fortress, getting farms up and running again, repairing roads and the like. You could focus on how the leaders and people mistrust each other and political intrigue ETC. Or you could focus on the characters fighting the evil army and maybe even killing the lich king in personal combat...Or you could focus on the aftermath of it. All four of those things can make compelling stories and game play but D&D and pathfinder chose to focus rules on combat. TL:DR you can make a game that focuses it's rules on any one of those story beats and role play out the rest without picking up a single die. There is no more reason combat is more rules crunch than and less hand waves than either the political or logistical story beat.

[@kingmasterlord]

I don't care how bad they ruin it, I'm not letting D&D die entirely, because they don't get to take it from us. even if the only surviving part is my call to redo it in a new unwoke edition.

[@jacobrodgers7743]

Yep. The only good thing out of the debacle is that 5e is safely Creative Commons now. We can continue to Moodle around with the game system for 20+ years, if we like. And the rules for CC are much easier than the OGL. Just provide one sentence of attribution, and don't copy non-CC stuff word for word.

[@jamesbee3087]

Imo the Golden Age was 3.5, there is no better system. 4th and 5th turned d&d into a video game action rpg.

[@WinglessValkyrie]

Well 4th was built to go along with a online video game like system that didn’t perform so you’re sorta right there but I’d recommend watching my golden age video for more info. Might be worth your while :)

[@-alexanderhosch-4828]

Was that the cult of the lamb ost playing in the background? If so, fantastic taste in videogames.

[@WinglessValkyrie]

It was indeed ^.^

[@franciscoaguirre96]

Your drone is so fucking loud man.

[@WinglessValkyrie]

It's actually incredibly quiet. What you're hearing is the river off to my right.