The Golden Compass: Defining Daemons

[@andrealopezdelgado66]

The dæmons are the souls of the people in Lyra's world. Here in ours, Plato once said that soul is what makes a man to be man, not the body itself. When the gobblers cut the dæmon of a child, they automatically “stole” his humanity and turn him into a being without will; they cut the wings of his soul, his imagination and his capacity to found Logos by appreciating Beauty, Justice and Good in material things, even if they are imperfect, and there's nothing more important than Logos to have a very real experience and opinion of life! In other words, they turn him into an office clerk.

[@islacrawford2745]

Andrea López Delgado lol

[@claritycrystal8742]

And that's one of the most devastating events that ever happened in the first book. Separating an innocent child and his/her dæmon is like violently ripping your own soul apart. Like all of your humanity is gone forever and what's left of you is only your other half. The lost, broken, soulless half. All you feel is just extreme trauma, pain, suffering and nothing else. It's just tragic to realize that this sort of stuff is still happening to other children out there who are missing and/or kidnapped in real life. Who knows what they're going through right now? It's just horrible.

[@mgdkns6678]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@ShadowOnTheWall666]

_"He's not constantly changing, it depends on her mood and how she's feeling"_ That's wrong. In the books, Pantalimon changes quite frequently until he settles in 'The Amber Spyglass', and it's into whatever Lyra needs. Ex: firefly for light, a mouse to hide in her clothing, a wolverine or big cat to protect her etc.

[@Char10tti3]

ShadowOnTheWall it's just probably what she thought seeing how the movie went, probably quite expensive. I'm wondering how the series will do it and if there's going to be more interactions and Jordan scenes

[@ShadowOnTheWall666]

I'm hoping the series is more faithful to the book and extends to include 'The Subtle Knife' and 'The Amber Spyglass'.

[@Char10tti3]

ShadowOnTheWall same here, the Game of Thrones analogy was thrown about before it was officially announced so I'm assuming they mean at least one series per book. That would mean that there would be loads more room to fully develop themes without squeezing it in at the end. I don't even know how New Line would have done the series with the first movie as empty as it was. The head in the ice section was one of the most important later on

[@danceroftheborealvalley3403]

ShadowOnTheWall pan never turned into a big cat

[@radeknaprstek3886]

Thanks for spoiler you piece of shit

[@sarahmoller3078]

I really wonder what my deamon would look like if I had one. Would be interesting to see, what kind of a human I am and what's my character like as an animal.

[@EM-ez1td]

Sarah Möller It would look like you. It’s a doppelgänger

[@ParallelElle]

@Peppermint Snowdrift I just did the buzzfeed one and got hummingbird which I really love, they've always been my favourite bird

[@megadracosaurus]

Actully, Daemon is Ancient Greek for 'Spirit'.

[@mattlemmons4052]

Is that why they use demon and not spirit

[@mgdkns6678]

@@mattlemmons4052 Learn history dude and stop with the ignorant bs. The daemon really represented the “higher self” as it is called today, for the ancient greeks. . Plato talked about being in direct communication with this part of his consciousness, higher and wiser. Carl Jung the same. Christianity twisted many things that were prechristian. Reading history and religion academically will show you this clear as day. The pronunciation and writing is not “demon” however, but “daemon” and pronounced something like “daimon” or “daymon”.

[@mattlemmons4052]

@@mgdkns6678 "learn history dude and stop with the ignorant bs" why do you feel the need to be rude? I am a student at a university and never read or learned any of that through out my time as a student in my life. Sounds like you're salty because of Christianity and my simple question set you off into orbit for some reason maybe because you're assuming I'm a Christian due to the question I asked and you have some deep hate for Christians. I hope you're okay "dude" and I hope you figure it out. I'll pray for you.

[@Hillarious87]

I think the idea of what a daemon is on our world and what a daemon is in Lyras world is a genius concept. Because the worlds are parallel, very much the same but with subtle differences in words and other things. The fact that a demon in our world is something evil and a daemon in their world is basically your conscious/soul portrayed in animal form is just the kind of difference you might find in a parallel world. Kind of like the difference between American and English slang.

[@filly07]

I have never thought it was pronunced "demon." I always pronounced it as "day-mon" = daemon. Ya know? "Demon" makes it sound evil.

[@dltisdal]

because it is

[@mgdkns6678]

You are right.

[@morgantaylor517]

Or dee a mon

[@subjecttochrist]

Bingo

[@ClipCoyote]

It is IRL

[@jesscarter-lyle2867]

Daniel craig is like a littke kid when he talks about his daemon

[@jl9554]

I'm just here because BBC and HBO are making His Dark Materials.

[@thomasmaner5652]

Me too. Can't wait, show looks good.

[@julieworsley5048]

same just seen the first episode of that :P

[@rumblefish9]

I think the show is going to fail too. There's not much buzz.

[@claritycrystal8742]

@@rumblefish9 The show is actually great if you go and watch it yourself. Though it's sad it's not gaining much attention from a lot of people except some fans.

[@yendiaditianputra2004]

@@rumblefish9 the show is great

[@lovelierlex]

This was my favorite part of the book. I thought it was just so creative and exciting, having an animal-like outward manifestation of your soul. I wonder what my daemon would be...

[@shrimboy7492]

I don care what they say.. this was a good adaptation. Nicole was a perfect Mrs.Coulter. Craig was a perfect match as Lord Asriel. The little girl was borned to played Lyra.

[@chickenpoodle009]

Pullman was a bloody genius in deciding the characters daemons. Hester as a jack rabbit was brilliant, as with the golden monkey. I envy his ability to decide which animal is which. An interent quiz with only twenty possible answers just does not cut it.

[@jamesjhernandez2191]

Just ignore Catholic Church and make the 2nd film

[@sarahmoller3078]

yeah exactly my thought.

[@leohino9211]

+Sarah Möller I'm Catholic and I agree. I'm not overly religious but I believe in God. this movie is just a movie. it's not meant to be taken seriously

[@ShadowOnTheWall666]

How? This film didn't end properly to open it and Dakota Blue Richards is now too old to reprise the role of Lyra as is Freddie Highmore to continue voicing Pan.

[@leohino9211]

ShadowOnTheWall yeah that's a sad thing. But they can always recast

[@jamesjhernandez2191]

ShadowOnTheWall but here's another counter argument the guys who play the kids in Narnia they were price of rolls even though when they got old. So basically take a look at that I don't mind Dakota blue Richards on reprising her role as Lyra and Freddie Highmore reprising his voice as pan.

[@jandixon8076]

Great film what a shame they didn’t do a sequel!

[@davidhodges1153]

The Daemons are awesome!! Wish this world had some.

[@jamesjhernandez2191]

Come on new line cinema make the sequel. The movie is loved by many viewers. A lot of fans are waiting.

[@zackmartinelli4200]

James J Hernandez it was a bad movie

[@jamesjhernandez2191]

@@zackmartinelli4200 just because it has a low score on Rotten Tomatoes doesn't really mean you should agree with it don't listen to the critics. In my personal opinion this is actually a good movie.

[@anonymousname5860]

It’s a series on hbo now

[@AssassinOfTheMonth]

I imagined Pan had a deeper voice. The books are awesome, you all should read them. GO PAN!!!!!! He's obviously the best character.

[@danielwalker4110]

"I've got a snow leopard next to me, I'm fine" Just because you have a snow leopard next to you, doesn't mean you're fine!

[@PeterOzanne]

It's a STORY for heaven's sake, it's not literally true. The "daemon" is just a symbol for our free spirit - the ability to think for ourselves and discover living truth by not filling our heads and hearts with dead (religious) concepts.

[@aquatictwist]

what are you even saying daniel lol. You don't make sense

[@Nasser851000]

What would Phillip Pullman's daemon be?

[@markcynic808]

ctl eurocollege He once told an audience at Oxford University it was a nutsacker penguin.

[@vampbat]

In his anthology Dæmon Voices, he says it's a raven!

[@AllyGatorAnimator]

We had him come to our production of His Dark Materials almost a decade ago and he said something different there as well (a magpie). He definitely has a preference for birds though.

[@stephenking5852]

@@AllyGatorAnimator the city in the Northern lights, Cittagazze, means City of Magpies.

[@yinssleepydiaries380]

What if your daemon was a fish? Then it would need water all the time??

[@Angelstarwarrior777]

Yeah, in the book one guys daemon was a dolphin so he never was too far from the ocean.

[@peauxpaux]

He couldn't in fact leave the ocean at all.

[@TheDrexxus]

@@peauxpaux That kind of sucks if true, but I don't think it would matter that much really. Your daemon wouldn't be a dolphin in the first place if you weren't already deeply connected to the ocean.

[@iheartmarceline7341]

If I had a daemon it would probably be a mouse since I'm shy and quiet and a mouse could hide in my pocket. It would represent my desire to shy away from the world.

[@VincentGonzalezVeg]

Humans are a wise man and a beast

[@vulcanhumor]

I've taken several quizzes online, and the dæmon I keep getting is a swan. Creative, graceful, poised, loving, loyal, protective, balanced, adaptable, multifaceted. I've decided his name is Tiberias. :3

[@belleknown4lyf]

I've never reread books so many times in my life, it's just too interesting for my taste of books(adventure & sci-fic)!!!perfect!!!

[@melissaf4854]

I was very disappointed when they didn’t make the next film bc this was dope! I’m happy that they made it into a series on HBO but I still would have liked to see Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig in this world again. I would love to know what my daemon/demon would be.

[@AgentRuggy]

The whole series is enjoyable, so I hope all the movies are made, and made well.

[@TruthofDilly]

You are a kindred spirit and you are speaking sense and my language. God bless you my friend.

[@Kelnosha]

I do hope they make 'The Subtle Knife' as a movie, that was one of my favorite books out of the three. it did bug me how this movie ended the way it did though.

[@Angelstarwarrior777]

I bet my daemon would be a fox. Always trying to weave myself out of trouble, solitary, and misjudged when I'm telling the truth sometimes. A bit weird, due to that, hard to love. His/Her name would be Syn, after my username.

[@gimmekromer1151]

You know its not you who give the daemon names right?

[@piper252]

Man I want a Daemon

[@scout6388]

LEE SCORESBY IM GONNA CRY

[@wizardwarrior713]

AmandaRokk (reply to ur comment on 7th page): I agree. It's been misunderstood that it biasedly represents all religious people. I agree that it just represents the way some people twist religion and misuse it. Well said. It's not against every religious person. Daemons are so interesting! They're like animal forms of guardian angels/consciences & they can also be ur best friend! (And I understand that they are different than demons, just like rain is different from reign.)

[@wsw360]

of the many things this movie got wrong, the casting was perfect

[@idalundborg1131]

This is like his dark materials Lyra and pan has a connection between them and when someone grabs the daemon it hurts! And when they separate it hurts

[@DanielSadjadian]

I hope they make another movie.

[@ДианаМакацария]

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[@ДианаМакацария]

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[@Char10tti3]

Daniel Sadjadian they're actually making a thing series with the BBC, last I heard they're casting Will and Lyra and Dakota Blue Richards said she would be interested in being in it. It's probably at least a year away at this point but it's a perfect time for The Book of Dust. Everything is perfect right now, can't wait until October :D

[@deadchannel8740]

Shit's too controversial

[@Cinedragon]

While I would love for my daemon to be a wolf, I get the feeling I'd have an owl, since I'm usually trying to give people advice on an emotional level. Giving a little bit of wisdom.

[@megadracosaurus]

I loved the movie, exspect for two things: The ending and some of the acting. Other than that, I loved this movie and books! I also discovered my Daemon a few months ago. She's a fox named Sarkana. She's kind and smart, but can be quite snappy.

[@sky_doodles]

If I had a daemon it would most likely be a wolf. Not because they're my favorite animal, but everyone says I'm loyal, and brave. I also have a fear of being alone. And I defend the people I care about, my "family". I also love to run. It's either a wolf or an otter. (I took a test)

[@dominickearney]

I've not seen the film but you all should read the books! The His Dark Materials trilogy is the best thing I've read in years.

[@PhoenixPrime]

My daemon would probably be an owl or an elephant.

[@sarahmoller3078]

Really? Owls and elephants are known as wise and smart. :)

[@magneto3338]

Have fun carrying an elephant everywhere you go 😂😂😂

[@PhoenixPrime]

Magneto LOL

[@spottedtime]

I don’t think daemons can be large animals, like an elephant.

[@burlapbadger7195]

A world where everyone is a stand user is PARADISE

[@rigobertoguzmanvalderrama3557]

Pantalaimon the Good Doctor now!, great actor!

[@MoonlitCrossbows]

I love that they used the term 'daemon' in both the book and the movie. Daemon actually means 'spirit', and was used in ancient times to describe anything humans thought wasn't natural. Like gods, and beings of nature. And since daemons here are like your soul but outward, rather than inward, it fit overall.

[@SoteraSuspiriorum]

i actually have a daemon, but just beacuse you dont see it doesnt mean its not there. I see as a white cat and her name its Olesia. She helps with my anxiety and guide through life, she actually represent my introverted nature.

[@Coco-xq7zh]

Moises Santana Agreed. My daemon is a cat too, his name is Slace. He has a black coat.

[@lorimartin6819]

I think my deamon would probably be a flying squirrel due to my nerves and energetic personality. Mine would be named Shawn.

[@ehsanbaaber8886]

I love that idea. Mine is a wolf and it's called Howler and it's fur is white.

[@ehsanbaaber8886]

Actually I have two. One's a dog called crystal.

[@lynxcall_]

Moises Santana I have a dæmon too. His name is Koriendima (well, I call him Kori. Koriendima is his full name). He is normally either a gray fox or coyote, but can be a kit fox or bat if he wants. He isn't corporeal (sadly). He is a mind construct. Search up "the dæmon page", it has a lot of information about real-life dæmians and dæmons.

[@xDynez]

Very nice. The Golden Compass is one of my favorite books, and I don't like many books. I hope this makes a good movie. I've been looking forward to this when I finished the book.

[@SleepyShippo]

That scene was awesome! In the book, there's an additional scene where he opens up dead bear's chest and eats his heart before saying the line. "Bears, who is your king?"

[@Fiver565]

Mine would either be a rabbit or rat terrier I always loved the idea that everyone has a daemon or rather a higher power that guides them through life

[@ThePiesEndure1985]

Fiction is all about what ifs. And I love reading about different viewpoints within the safe setting of fiction. And of course, when one writes you often write what you know or believe into it. My fiction has Christian undertones, but people who aren't Christian can read it happily enough.

[@nataliehannula8721]

I wish they would’ve continued making more sequels with this actor. Daphne Keene has the spirit of Lyra, but not the look. I really wish they would’ve casted a blonde actor.

[@Glitzypink123]

The dæmon animals are too cute!!

[@shoyhoy]

I wonder what daemon Bill Donohue would have, any suggestions?

[@treehugger777]

I talk to my dæmon. He is unsettled, and he loves me to bits. {I sure do.}

[@shannonkennedy1750]

I never read the book but wasyrra cut from pam? Why was pam still with lyra after being pht in the intercession.

[@PrincesCake01]

I always thought of Daemons as a half of your own soul that takes the shape of an animal

[@megadracosaurus]

What shape did he/she take? What's it name? Mine is a vixen named Sarkana.

[@jodipearson567]

I did a quiz and apparently my Daemons name is Dahanain which I actually really like. I think he would take the form of either a Lesser anteater or a rat! Though I also love birds of prey!

[@vampbat]

I would love to know where this Extra is from, my copy of the DVD doesn't have any bonus features at all!

[@RavenCelestia]

Hester was the best!

[@metalbutterflygaming1544]

+Raven Celestia I like Hester too!!! her and Pan are my favorite Daemons. I like Lord Asriel's as well.

[@KanishQQuotes]

This needs to be done fully animated Studio ghibli style

[@Kohai81]

Aside from my malicious comment to that other person.. This movie looks fascinating, everything looks great, i can't wait to see it! :)

[@AngryNerdBird]

Don't hold your breath, it's been put on hold indefnitely when Golden Compass bombed miserably. And rightly so; the completely mangled the story! Honestly, nothing in it made a whole lot of sense; they had events happening out of order, the story was horribly rushed, and they completely cut out the ending. It literally just randomly fades to black and credits roll when they weren't supposed to. It's a shame, but it's no surprise that a sequel isn't being made, all things considered.

[@megadracosaurus]

Actully, Daemon means 'Spirt'. There's a differance between a Daemon and a Demon. Daemons are spirirts, who were used in vareius legends about Greeks and Wizards. Demons are devils.

[@wwood14]

Yeah, I love that scene where the giant gorilla picks up Nichol and carries her up the Empire State building, then the airplanes attack.. She was awsome in that one..

[@flapjackalopis711]

what's a good website to take a quiz on what your daemon would be?

[@DNAJ82]

attached is my video in relation to the daemon and how i got guided to the knowledge of the real thing. watching the whole series will help with general understanding on wtf im going on about with all of it :) God Bless

[@megadracosaurus]

That's the Ancient Greek version. The daemons of Golden Compass are based on that. Though I'm not sure if the origianl daemon legends from Greece had the animal stuff.

[@Twombs87]

I can see how there is conflict n such. but the movie isn't made for that purpose. And as to why she was chosen for the part, is because simply she was perfect for it. Her acting along with the other actors/actress' was flawless. But also, at first she didn't want to do the movie and she wasn't going to because of all the controversy that is was going to cause, but then the author of the book personally wrote her a letter saying he wanted her to do the part, and then she did.

[@BoredFrogSoup]

@elenore88 its cause they were basing the films on the books and in the second book you start finding out how Lyra is the second eve and all that jazz so they wasnt too happy and now we dont get any second or third film :(

[@wasawaswasawas4277]

Daemon = Qodam ?

[@rachelmb417]

Can anyone send me the link to download this video?

[@LucasFlandria]

is there comming a sequel anyway? because i believe it's been 2 yrs this one was released?

[@star_gurrl6036]

I’m catholic and I love this movie

[@beautifulcinthya]

@LyWithMe i am not so sure that is possible to make another movie of that because they change a little bit parts of the book in the first movie and if they do a second is like making a new book

[@vzorspecimen2588]

Stelmaria is BEST 💕💕💕💕💕💕💕

[@darreth0104]

Yes elenore... something having CLOSE to the same name means they are EXACTLY ALIKE! WOW! (So in other words... NO... it's NOT that "CLEAR CUT") BIBLE THUMPERS are just SO GREAT!

[@baatar]

So, what does this have to do with daemons in UNIX? Any metaphorical similarities?

[@megadracosaurus]

There's a big differance between Demeons and Daemons.

[@megadracosaurus]

The person of the Daemon you toutched can feel your hands on your soule. Its absolutely forbidden, because its to personal. You can consider a form of violating.

[@Nekochou]

@filly07 That's because a long time ago "deamons" were believed to be good spirits that whispered to you what you should do (like a conscience). But the term became twisted in time and it became the way of naming a bad spirit. Then the catholic church used the word "demon" for the voice of evil. So you see it wasn't a bad this at first (Socrates used the term deamon to speak of your "inside voice" so it's a pretty old word), but it altered with the centuries.

[@hydrolito]

They don't reach full size until person becomes an adult and if you became a fisherman it could hurd fish for you. Some people use dolphins to help catch fish and they let the dolphins keep some of the fish. Although girl made friends with a bear also and pretended she was the bears daemon.

[@BriannaNLC]

I took like ten quizes and they all said my daemon would be a wolf. That would be awesome to always have a wolf with me as my best friend....

[@Shadowabliss]

Where did you get this from? It's not on my DVD? :(

[@megadracosaurus]

Finally someone who understands!

[@arkavick]

So they're basically stand users?

[@megadracosaurus]

Depends at how you look at it. I think Butterflies mean Grace, Kindness and Beuty.

[@Wolfsbane909]

Looks like we got a live one! Just an small little cut and you will be "cured", just like bending an key, once bent that key will never open the door again.

[@__ybandzz8166]

Whos watching this in 2020

[@BriannaNLC]

I wish I had a daemon too, and I agree with you on the other things too

[@hippoglyph]

mine attacks me so what can i do

[@bluubandette8871]

If only I can see my spirit guide too! A form of an animal would be nice

[@Ragnarok187]

Hint: Everyone already has a daemon; we call it the Soul or Self. Watch the first two minutes of the movie. "There are many universes, and many Earths, parallel to each other. Worlds like yours, where peoples Souls live inside their bodies. And worlds like mine, where they walk beside us as animal spirits we call daemons". And dust? Dust is what connects all the worlds. In our world we call it quantum physics or string theory.

[@ShutterChaos831]

Interesting idea. Unfortunately at thee start of the first book, Northen Lights, it tells us it's pronounced "demon" I do agree with YOU, though

[@vulcanmario]

it doesn't directly say it but everything is a representation of something else in fantasy

[@megadracosaurus]

I agree. Its just fiction! I'm an Atheist, but I know a lot of religion people who liked it.

[@jimmymccartney2049]

Music:Alexandre Desplat(2007)

[@Beatnuk]

I stand corrected!

[@streetfeet3238]

@TruthofDilly in book 2, Lyra meets a boy from our world named Will, and she asks him where his daemon is but he thinks she's asking about demons (like the devil) and gets confused, so it's obvious that Phillip Pullman originally intended for it to be pronounced like that and has nothing to do with Hollywood or conspiracy theories. Furthermore, Peake first published his book about daemons in 2008 (a year after the movie was released), whereas Pullman's "The Golden Compass" was published in 1995.

[@hhr1dluv]

To those of you who are commenting on how Pullman can have soul-like daemons but be an atheist, I have this to say: In my opinion, these books, though fairly obviously against the establishment of organized religion (such as the judeochristian beliefs), are actually highly spiritual. Daemons don't necessarily have to be a soul as most religions think of souls. Pullman is clearly against the idea of souls going to an afterlife (read Amber Spyglass).

[@woolclothes4742]

wow what a very cool great real-looking actor i bet this movie is a good movie

[@woolclothes4742]

why is Haymitch so old???????????????????????????????

[@woolclothes4742]

i mixed up lee and haymitch help

[@megadracosaurus]

Okay. At the end of 'The Amber Spyglass' Pantalaimon takes the shape of red-golden furred Pine Marten. His mate, Kirjava, turns into a Cat.

[@Msnbsea]

I love Hester.