The Gonzalo Lira Roundtable do not know what they are talking about

[@CoobyPls]

eggs

[@CoobyPls]

(and eggs, and eggs)

[@Noah-tp8py]

Egg

[@jeremyhearne]

Eggs

[@LightningLava]

Eggs

[@norberttwardochleb2596]

Egg

[@dalek14mc]

The people who say “the US relies too much on technology” are the exact same people who will tell you “the T-14 is the most advanced tank in the world.”

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Americans and their wonder weapons... anyway here's our hypersonic missile.

[@kameronjones7139]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD or "here is our Sam that can launch a invisible shield and shoot down any stealth aircraft" EDIT: for the people who can't understand a joke both me and titanium rain are making fun of the Russians

[@audiosurfarchive]

@@kameronjones7139 "Ukraine's mil/civ population is literally mutants; so, us winning, losing; invading, liberating, withdrawing or peace-out with Mukraine. SLAV SPLOICERS WAR CRIMES URRAAAAHHHH"

[@MD-wn4ui]

MY GUY WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE ANOTHER VIDEO?

[@dalek14mc]

@@MD-wn4ui When the planets align just right.

[@KaDaJxClonE]

My favorite quote about the Russian army is "Russia has a a large and modern army, but the large army isn't modern and the modern army isn't large."

[@IgnoredAdviceProductions]

It's not even large anymore, given the last few months 😂

[@IgnoredAdviceProductions]

@まこと 1:07:12🤡

[@natebox4550]

@@IgnoredAdviceProductions I mean that’s wrong, but it’s probably got shit morale.

[@cleanerben9636]

@@natebox4550 morale is irrelevant when you can just arrest the soldiers' families if they don't walk into the grinder

[@natebox4550]

@@cleanerben9636 I get that’s a joke, but cough cough. Late war nazi Germany.

[@brokeandtired]

Worth mentioning that "8 years in army" can mean anything from tactical officer to "I peeled potatoes for the canteen".

[@batteredskullsummit9854]

As an Army brat, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that being in the military, doesn't mean you know a fucking thing

[@brokeandtired]

@@batteredskullsummit9854 well if they were recruiting for brains, the soldiers going to a war would have gone AWOL. The smart ones get a desk job.

[@F4Wildcat]

The term we used in the Belgian army!

[@thomasswafford250]

A neighbor I had was in the Marines. The ditch between our property had filled in and the result was constant flooding because the water wasn't being carried away. Two other neighbors and myself were digging it out when he came over. He thought that our digging out the ditch was causing the flooding. The three of us tried to explain that that's what the ditch did was it carried the water away and when it got filled in the water of course was going to just go in our backyards. He made the comment it used to not to flood back there and we said yes that's because the ditch was dug out and it's filled in. He finally walked away and just told us all he knew is it hadn't flooded till we were digging back then which was not true he had been flooding for months as the ditch filled in because someone up the hill had moved a bunch of junk cars and loosen the ground where it during the heavy rains it went into the ditch. This guy finally died from an aneurysm. He had gone to the VA Hospital who told him he had a blood vessel in his head about to burst if he didn't do something about it he needed surgery. He told another neighbor who actually liked him that the doctors might hit his brain and kill him. He literally died because he was too stupid to realize he would die if he didn't get the surgery. Can't say it was a loss. Someone else told me he was illiterate which I believe. I never understood how we could actually get into the Marines.

[@imperialsnowfall]

@@thomasswafford250 Bold of you to assume that the USMC requires you to be "literate" or "intelligent in the slightest" .

[@Hairysteed]

_"Russia is winning"_ Reality: The last time Russia has managed to conquer a city was Lysychansk *half a year ago* and have since then *lost almost half of their territorial gains.*

[@jonswift6173]

Think.

[@Revan058]

Innit closer to 70% of all territorial gains?

[@timmteller871]

Well after months of incredibly losses, they have taken another small one now.

[@questionmaker5666]

@@timmteller871 The Russians haven't even taken that small city yet, and might never do so.

[@timmteller871]

@@questionmaker5666 Lets hope

[@krusk3544]

"The US rely too much on techonology" The Amish must be the most effective fighting force in the universe to these people

[@dwavenminer]

The North Sentinelise must be considered as walking MWDs to these "technology bad" people...

[@DahVoozel]

They are able to raise barns on the battlefield no matter the conditions, without electronic communications.

[@tardvandecluntproductions1278]

Definitely more accurate then the mark 1 eyeball in quite a few things.

[@scottzilla1979]

"Brad Pitt relies too much on his good looks to get laid."

[@kaykay865]

The taliban is mate….remember them

[@Binkophile]

"Su-57 Femboy" "F*ck them into a fine paste" "the 5th emergency bottle of wine" These are the literary masterpieces I come to this channel for. *chefkiss*

[@blackopscw7913]

NCD approves

[@dynamicworlds1]

"That's going to loose Russia an army." Music to my ears. I sure hope so!

[@dimatut007]

My God, if you really think he says some intelligent things, you are f..g dumb... This moron feeds you with the most degenerate propaganda you can find on KZbin and you enjoy it.

[@lasagneman5586]

Non-credible literature

[@Recordspin]

@@masterolof138As a femboy, I can confirm my surname is 75

[@zacharymorris4504]

As a former marine, I can 100% confirm that some elements of the Russian military are just as capable of breaking ball bearings as I am.

[@ErenJeagerBomb]

"Yes sir, we have lost the other one as well"

[@alganhar1]

@@ErenJeagerBomb And we have a man injured!

[@mikehimes7944]

"Sir I need your permission to marry a foreign national."

[@chiken6559]

"Yes, sergeant, it was absolutely necessary to salvage that Mk 19 from one of our MRAPs to use it as a full-auto mortar"

[@Burnsidef250]

Into 3 halves?

[@Ofasia777]

Fun fact, not only was Gonzalo arrested, then released under conditions, but he then openly announced that he would try to escape the country and was then arrested again.

[@nvelsen1975]

And Russia commented on his arrest in no time, thus basically admitting Lira is one of their misinformation assets.

[@Nooraksi]

How can you arrest a citizen of US in Ukraine, over leaving??? 🤣🤣🤣 the cope from Banderas😂

[@Ofasia777]

The US doesn't have an extradition treaty with Ukraine is the obvious answer to your troll question. However if you care to be educated... Gonzalo Lira tried was creating propaganda against Ukraine and for Russia, in Ukraine, while Ukraine is at war with Russia. If you think that's smart, you're not. He's currently rotting in jail after being arrested a couple of times and eventually trying to flee when officially charged. 436-2 of Ukraine's Criminal Code is the base charge but since he tried to flee the country after being released pending trial, he won't be leaving Ukraine anytime soon since he's now a confirmed flight risk.

[@Nooraksi]

@Ofasia777 ok Bandera.... Please tell me what propaganda he was telling??? You know right truth cannot be propaganda, right? Only a lie! Ukraine being neo nazis was reported by western media many times (2014-2022), mainly by BBC! Did they lied too??? Are a Nazi salute videos aren't good proof? Go watch Odessa masacre in 2014.... when Azov birned people alive in buildings, same way their official Ukrainian hero Bandera did during ww2 with Jewish and Polish people, civilians and kids...... you replied to a wrong man, better run man, or you make more anti Ukrainian people here!!! Fucking Nazi!!!

[@wabush01]

Nothing lost really

[@joshwondra9821]

I think part of the problem is that everyone is taking Russia's modernization and mobiliation capacity numbers at face value, and possibly Russia is deluded into thinking its own figures are right. Because I doubt many generals were willing to tell their bosses "I bought a bunch of shitty Albanian surplus ammo instead of those nice modern shells you wanted for the tanks, so that I could buy another dacha in Cyprus with the difference". They built a culture of theft and graft, led and encouraged by Putin, for decades, which didn't matter in peacetime but once real combat started revealed itself as a major problem.

[@thomasstevenhebert]

Nothing will be more stark than seeing the Smerch rockets hitting across the breadth of a football pitch and HIMARs putting 6 rockets in a cloverleaf in the middle of a bridge. Russia is playing with an out of date playbook

[@gameboyterrorysta6307]

Just one issue. Let's not pretend that it was Putin who built the culture of theft. He just let it continue. Before WW1 there was "loud case" of high ranking officer blowing army's budget on his jewelry. There is a reason why in 1920 red army lost war with small, young and weak Poland. There is a reason why red army was known as the worlds' biggest group of thiefs and rapists. There is a reason why many eastern surplus was easily available almost everywhere USSR had its' bases. There is a reason why in measttern bloc countries first place to get rare supplies and tools was army's barracks. And why you were taking vodka as the currency to buy e.g. said tools.

[@joshwondra9821]

@@gameboyterrorysta6307 I’m not really qualified to speak as to stuff under the Tsar, or even under the early Bolsheviks, but as to the modern Russian Federation, you are correct. The culture of corruption was built by Yeltsin. Yeltsin, I genuinely believe, DID want a true, modern democracy for Russia. But he was also a fucking thief, and he chose Putin as a successor because Putin was ALSO a thief and was the one guy Yeltsin found who wouldn’t use his crime against him for political gain, granting him immediate lifelong immunity, instead.

[@thomasstevenhebert]

@@NormandyFoxtrot yeah I agree with you. Like I understand the early push failed when it had worked in other campaigns, but the regroup and offensive in the South has not been marked with an improvement in operational art or execution

[@rangerriggs5066]

@@joshwondra9821 The Russian people deserved better than Yeltsin and his fucking cronies. Instead they ended up trading one terrible dictatorship for another.

[@reform-revolution]

"they could hit POLAND IF THEY WANTED" and I could punch a 7 foot tall 300 pound bodybuilder if I wanted .... different scenarios, same consequences

[@PolishHussar04]

Also hitting Poland would be suicidal

[@reform-revolution]

@@PolishHussar04 I wouldnt last long against that body builder either

[@PolishHussar04]

True

[@teebosaurusyou]

I bet I could run away faster than the 300 pounder could after I slugged him with a fish.....

[@F0UR3V3R]

Nah its a different outcome The bodybuilder will spare you.

[@Girthbrooks715]

More people need to hear “They never state their expertise, because they don’t fkn have any”. I get asked about Ukraine by my co-workers constantly. I was a mechanic in the Army for 8 years and barely know how to fix half the equipment in our fleet, let alone know every intricate detail of large scale combat operations. It’s like asking a cook at McDonald’s if they know how all the chairmen plan on expanding global marketing and international profits over the next 2 years.

[@americankid7782]

Yeah it’s pretty interesting on the connections people make

[@smtxs9274]

Thats so true. I'm an F-16 Crewchief. I work hands on these jets launching and recovering them every single day and we're suppose to be basically Air Plane Gods having an exceptional overall knowledge of em BUT. If you ask me: •Can F-16s take these Migs? probably •Are the casualties suffered good or rlly bad? idk •will these turn the tide of the war? Idk but I hate that WW2 book cover trope We know alot about the jet but we don't have any business discussing how a war is going

[@theangrycheeto]

Well said

[@whyjnot420]

@@americankid7782 Still, if you are a person who learned to wrench at some garage somewhere and have ZERO military experience. It makes perfect sense to ask the guy you work with who actually has some. This is the same basic situation you get when talking about primary sources in history. People will ask "what does a writer 250 years later know about what they were writing back then in 215 CE?" The answer historians will give those people is "while removed by 250 years, they were still denizens of that ancient world and thus can offer a perspective that we simply cannot today because that world no longer exists." A person who served can offer a perspective that someone who has not served could not have. Though I do understand it when people harp on about it after you tell them what you know, or don't know from your own perspective. I get it with computers. Trained in repairing, building and network stuff, there are people who just don't understand that I do not know about the details of how traces on PCB are designed or something like that. But this is a VERY different thing from someone who doesn't know anything about computers, knowing that I do know some things and asking me about this or that.

[@nomar5spaulding]

One thing that frustrates the hell of of me is that everyone who knows me knows I'm really interested in the history and politics surrounding US and European wars, so one of my friends might say something like, "Hey Wade, you know a lot of military stuff. What's the deal about (insert topic here)." In far from an expert, and I don't claim to be one, but for a regular person I know a, especially about some specific topics and I do get asked because people that know me know it. Then they'll listen to my answer and be like, "Well my cousin is a Marine and he thinks you're full of crap." Not to be rude, but does the cousin know anything the topic? No, but they're a Lance Corporal, so 🤷

[@Shaun_Jones]

Remember when Armchair Warlord was the most delusional guy out of these four chuckleheads?

[@dylfai]

‘Chuckleheads’ I have never heard that term before. It’s funny so I’ll steal it!

[@danielsurvivor1372]

@@dylfai Chucklenuts is more prominent versit. Also Chucklef*cks also works

[@dylfai]

@@danielsurvivor1372 I’ve heard both of those but never chucklehead

[@cbtenthusiast7133]

they all have become full on copuim addicts since this podcast.

[@LuisGonzalez-hs5pe]

​@@cbtenthusiast7133 The "new atlas" Is that bad?

[@patring303]

My mom (former MI officer for 20 yrs) summed up what the arty guy is best “there were 200 navy seals who served in Iraq and Afghanistan and I’ve met 600 of them”. I’d say at best he cleaned the arty pieces every day and never asked questions

[@aaronb4571]

He didn't do any of that, he was a desk jockey who failed his promotion board to major 3 times and got drummed out

[@patring303]

@@aaronb4571 sorry thought he was an NCO

[@wkcia]

@@aaronb4571 oh dear god, isn’t it almost impossible to fail promotion to major? Or was it Captain?

[@ReadmanJ]

@@wkcia He failed at the Major promotion. Twice.

[@keepyourbilsteins]

@@aaronb4571 loosing his hair, short, and bad at PT. Add stupidity and loud, well there's his problem. If you've got the first 3 wrong, the second 2 will do you in.

[@HairTrigger223]

The 'military expert' was best used by Chieftain, in one of his talks 'I am an armour officer and served in Iraq... this means nothing. You should listen to me because my job as a historian involves digging through the US Army archives, which I have sourced everything from.'

[@HellbirdIV]

Chieftain will often reference his own service in the best way, which is to say he only talks about his personal experiences and doesn't infer a bunch of bullshit from what he's clearly smart enough to know whas the limited experience of a single person in a campaign of hundreds of thousands.

[@HellbirdIV]

@@NormandyFoxtrot All well within his expertise!

[@Tank50us]

@@HellbirdIV Yup! Ask anyone in the combat side of things.... any place that looks like a good spot to sleep.... will be used as such.

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

@@Tank50us Anything that kinda, sort of, maybe looks like a sleeping spot will be used as such

[@ReeceCMF]

On a related point, even people without military experience CAN understand things and have well informed opinions even about military matters if they're capable of doing research and evaluating sources. I have absolutely zero military experience but I've tried to follow the Ukraine war closely, and I'd like to think I'm good at recognising possible propaganda claims and knowing when to be skeptical, particularly important given how much information about Ukraine is on social media. Just got to make sure you look at the info carefully, the credibility of the source, and crucially you need to think about what the info ISN'T telling you, and not excitedly jump to conclusions which I've seen people on both sides do. Funnily enough I've seen this "armchair warlord" on twitter make exactly that mistake.

[@aceofspadesguy4913]

“US army doesn’t have a structure” The US army isn’t the one who has no NCO corps.

[@lip124]

Bruh🤣🤣, that part killed me, I'm like did this really serve or is he full of shit.

[@Froggmeningreen]

Except there is an NCO corps in the russian army as well

[@jjfwwhlol5923]

@@Froggmeningreen it exists on paper. In reality it is severely understaffed and the ones that are there have rocks for brains

[@Froggmeningreen]

@@jjfwwhlol5923 I'm sure you are an expert on the organization of the russian army, judging by your sound evaluation and sophisticated vocabulary.

[@jjfwwhlol5923]

@@Froggmeningreen I’m not. You don’t need to be to have a basic understanding of military structure. The average person is able to look at something, comprehend it, and say “hey, Russia’s military is severely understaffed in the areas that actually matter, and the ones that are manned have outdated equipment”

[@mustlovedragons8047]

53:00 "Explaining how the Ukrainian army went from 7k to 200k in just 8 years would be a video in itself." And I want to see that video.

[@DevoxGaming]

Especially after russia pretty much did everything in its power to destabilize the ukranian army from within with corruption, ridiculous command structures etc.

[@mattiaspettersson4295]

Yes please.

[@zopEnglandzip]

I'd have a go on that

[@marneus]

Seconded

[@Korfax124]

I think visualpolitik already made an attempt at that, so maybe have @LazerPig react to and comment on that video?

[@Markfr0mCanada]

I will address this whole "I was in the military, therefore I'm an expert" thing: I was in my nation's military for 15 and a bit years, 16 months of high school as an artillery reservist followed by 3 contracts totalling 14 years as a naval engineering mechanic. What did this teach me? It taught me how insanely bureaucracy can bloat. It taught me that regardless of who's job something is supposed to be it will be done by whoever it is the biggest problem for if the job isn't done. It taught me that there is a level of apathy which allows someone to watch millions needlessly bleed out of an organization because "it's not my money". It taught me that hard workers get left at the bottom ranks while smooth talkers fly to the top. It taught me that people who speak confidently will be assumed to be competent. It taught me that there is such a thing as a $10,000 desk lamp which doesn't do anything cool, it's just a desk lamp. Yeah, I'll stop there, point is I have learned more about strategy and military analysis from playing computer games and watching KZbin videos than I ever learned from 15 years of what was supposed to be service, yet if I cited these as sources of expertise I would get laughed out of the room as hard as these twits ought to have been.

[@somedude5064]

Was it atleast a cool looking desk lamp?

[@joeymobb8438]

I would also like to know the coolness level of the desk lamp.

[@ramblingsofadash5159]

My grandma worked for NASA and would always talk about the 10,000 dollar toliets they would buy when ever I went over

[@sealioso]

Was it a lava lamp?

[@aj_jk1337]

Spoken just like my dad with 27 years in the US Navy and another 12 years working for a DoD contractor. Very similar outcome.

[@andriifedoryshyn9987]

After watching the stream of Lira with LazerPig as a guest: oh boy, that aged well, Lira REALLY knows nothing

[@anthonyirwin6627]

As Civil as a barfight with broken beer bottles

[@murkywateradminssions5219]

even when debating a drunken Scotsman he Lira still lost *Imagine what an angry, shitface'd Australian can do to that cunt*

[@redReiRei]

Lira is just a really disgusting evil piece of poo.

[@matthewarnold4557]

What is evil? The opposite of good What is good ? The opposite of evil. Tells you everything you need to know about lira

[@Shaun_Jones]

@@anthonyirwin6627 I’d compare it to debating flat earthers, but that would be an insult to flat earthers.

[@toxicKorgi]

I admire how drunk LazerPig still is more researched and knowledgeable than 99 percent of the self proclaimed "experts" and armchair tacticians.

[@petermccannell7565]

Don't mistake drunk for not knowledgeable

[@ErgonomicChair]

I want to get on one of CRP's and ask these guys... "Ok, what classword did you do for logistics and strategy?"

[@helwrecht1637]

It’s called “acting”

[@toxicKorgi]

@@helwrecht1637 Correction, it's "method acting".

[@AllThingsCubey]

These four are not experts. Two of them specifically would qualify as Russian propaganda outlets, specifically Armchair Warlord and Brian Berletic. Incidentally, both are also probably pedos.

[@saparotrob7888]

I'd like to point out that Russia lost an amphibious assault ship, an ocean going salvage ship, a guided missile cruiser and numerous patrol boats in a land war.

[@KasumiRINA]

They lost an island to a country with no real Navy and 1/10th of russian air force.

[@natebox4550]

@@KasumiRINA it’s crazy, shit like this has happened to countries like Britain as well. Countries can overcome the odds, Argentina did surprisingly well against the British navy in the falklands war. Even though their ground troops did pretty bad.

[@jgw9990]

@@natebox4550 Argentina was aided by being right next to the islands while Britain had to travel thousands of miles.

[@natebox4550]

@@jgw9990 true, but they still did very well, considering the Royal Navy is huge, they still got utterly fucked on land though.

[@lordcharles9786]

@@natebox4550 a lot of respect to the sheer size of the balls on the Argentine pilots, they did some crazy shit

[@the_arora804]

These drunk rants are half of why I'm subscribed. Lazerpig's more dedicated, topical videos are very well made, and I learn quite a bit from them, but this? Nice to sit down for an hour of Lazerpig after a long day.

[@oligultonn]

Watching drunk rants while drunk is always fun

[@scout360pyroz]

just dont take his word as gospel lol. very entertaining though

[@camolot2102]

@@DingDingTheKZbinBuddy the shine we build is a lazily put together statue of a pig with a Lazer pointer on its head with a (now empty)bottle of wine at its feet

[@c1ph3rpunk]

Only half?

[@soulofastro]

I'm just here for the drunk singing

[@PurpleDrankYoshi]

Who's coming back to this now that he's been arrested? 😂

[@aussiemozzie8123]

Me

[@richardarriaga6271]

Me!

[@2ndfloorsongs]

Yes, I'm guilty of coming back here after seeing celebratory announcement on most recent laser pig.

[@daniellarge9784]

Guilty.

[@KevinTarka]

Which one? Lazer Pig?

[@ughettapbacon]

1 hour in. Guy in the upper right is an actual paid agent of the Russian Federation. Guy in the upper left wants to be a paid agent of the Russian federation. Guy on the bottom left drove the truck that the artillery unit kept its fucking rucksacks in. And the guy on the bottom right got a gold star good for him.

[@rickjames8317]

I'm twenty minutes in. I'm only familiar with the guy in the upper right, Brian Berletic, from New Atlas. He's 100% a paid Russo-Sino propagandist. I started occasionally checking his channel after having a back and forth with one of his viewers in the comments of another channel. I checked it and was blown away, not only by Brian's doublespeak and hate for the West, but also by the comments of his viewers. It's a crazy echo chamber over there.

[@theodorelopez8971]

Lira sounds like a real scumbag. He got famous briefly a couple months ago for supposedly being "disappeared" and "tortured to death" by the Ukranian Secret Police before miraculously turning up alive and well, having gained thousands of sympathetic social media followers in the process. Convenient, that. Other than that I have seen a few snippets of his "dating advice" which mostly seemed to consist of calling women cum dumpsters. Maybe it was taken out of context, and maybe we all say unsavory things from time to time but most of us don't intentionlly put that kind of stuff on youtube as content. Basically this guy exists parasticially feed off of the worst impulses of dudes on the internet. Coach Red Pill.... God what a tool... I bet he actually thought he was being cool and edgy with that name Almost as despicable as the reprobates who run The Duran or ammoral psuedo-journalist Patrick Lancaster. Sorry, I know I am ranting but I just can't stand these shameless Putin-crotch-sniffing dirt bags' constant stream of lies and bullshit.

[@seanreynolds7369]

Guy on the bottom right was kept away from staff HQ

[@shmeckle666]

@@rickjames8317 is Brian an *actual* paid Russian “influencer”? I know what his rhetoric implies, but is he actually paid with the intent to do what he does?

[@sababugs1125]

Guy in the upper left fakes his death during this war and tried to blame the SBU ( Ukrainian intelligence) Guy in the upper right claimed all the bayraktars shot down and the same week the snake island bombing footage was released

[@blackkyiv]

It's especially funny to watch them saying "unable to stop russian advancement", while "russian advancement" for the last month was at best a couple of villages or streets of those villages. Russia basically went from "we are going to take Kyiv in 3 days" to "hooray, after weeks of harsh fighting we have finally taken a small village the size of a couple of streets in Mykolaiv province, which is surrounded by swamps and basically is a dead end"

[@Treblaine]

It's using the most braindead tactic of "just fire trainloads of artillery shells everywhere" they capture a bombed out moonscape, because their shells are so shit they effectively mine the area they want to capture with unexploded ordinance. The loss to Ukraine is terrible but Russia has gained nothing.

[@Tdelliex]

ww1 generals be like

[@baneofbanes]

And all for the cost of a thousand dead and wounded in a war where we’re having man power shortages.

[@The-ghost-of-Moskva]

You mean that fantastic current Russian advance to err.. Russia

[@Trigger0x10c]

@@The-ghost-of-Moskvathe fabled "reverse advance" also known as """"strategical""" retreat"

[@svenpatrickbecker7119]

I am a field grade officer (medical officer) in the German Army and i am now at 20 years of service with several deployments... That being said, i honestly can say, that i have no clue when it comes to tank warfare, urban warfare or anything else of interest when it comes to analysing whats going on in ukraine... So much for military experts

[@jtgd]

“I was a IT specialist, so I know all about army front logistics”

[@iliadnetfear2586]

Oh? You were a field medic? Explain to me the intricacies of anti-submarine formations.

[@murphy7801]

But probably could make a decent video on how do first aid 🙂

[@visassess8607]

@@iliadnetfear2586 lmao

[@Mortablunt]

The thing is anyone who’s got any sort of military experience basically gets to call themselves an expert. I once walked into a US Marines recruiting station therefore I count as an expert too!

[@audiosurfarchive]

Absolute devastation--came here after The Great Roundtable Shitshow Of 2023. YES OR NO: Are you (You) watching this video again after that?

[@babony5]

Does our answer determine if we are ignorant or evil?

[@audiosurfarchive]

@@babony5 YES, OR, NO??11?1!!

[@graceliu8839]

I really with Lazerpig gives today’s event the same analysis. Also, I just realized the New Atlas from this past stream was called in to go copium echo chamber for Lira. 😂

[@ツンデレンジニア]

THASH NOT TRWUE THASH NOT TRWUUEEEEEEE

[@DeadEndGoose]

We can't really reduce such a complicated question to black or whites, it's actually been several hours so it can't be aft- TRUE OR FALSE!!?!?!?!!?

[@crispurdel3517]

I can’t tell who I feel worse for. The Ukrainians who are getting their efforts dismissed by endless propaganda, these “Experts” who are so brain washed the believe the said propaganda, or LazerPigs poor liver for the abuse this podcast made it endure.

[@badasscrusader]

I don't believe it's brainwashing more like them being to lazy to do actual research and just parroting stuff they heard

[@99999bomb]

All three, I gave up trying to think which is worse

[@DemonHunter2271]

@@99999bomb Agreed, let’s just say all three are as equally bad.

[@ngrey5092]

what ukrainian eforts are dissmised by propaganda?

[@DemonHunter2271]

@@ngrey5092 Everything that Ukraine is doing, Russian Propaganda will do anything to try and make their enemies look bad.

[@BenjaminKibbey]

Lazerpig: "They never state their expertise. Because they don't fucking have any." Me as a combat veteran: "Preach!" I am beyond done with all the idiot veterans who think their role as the organizational equivalent of a lug nut on a rear wheel makes them an expert on the entire vehicle. Same for the officers, all the way up to generals, who think their equivalent role as a hood ornament does the same thing.

[@KoishiVibin]

I honestly wonder if some of the people I know in Combined Defense are more knowledgeable at least Pave Jonesy is: [] a college professor of material science [] stays in his lane about bodyarmor, RAMs, and equipment materials [] will actually not push his narrative unless he knows it

[@101elesdee]

Hilarious. Thank you.

[@EnnoMaffen]

Hilarious metaphors :D nice

[@plantain.1739]

I like people who play rhythm guitar, and make jabs at bassists and drummers for being dumbasses.

[@Zaprozhan]

Okay, thank you for new slang, "Hood Ornament."

[@odinsrensen7460]

"My job was to predict civilian response to hypothetical scenarios." Ah, but that's s exactly what a retired secret agent would claim his former job was! You don't fool us, agent Lazerpig...

[@acemarvel1564]

Think about it That kind of skill would be great for a double O agent

[@cameronkoontz6393]

*glows*

[@madhukarjonathanminj2772]

Lazerpig is real life 007.

[@cultureddoggo5606]

little we know lazerpig was just an MI6 official who just seen too much and got drinking to drown all the shit he saw edit: woah, he once served in MI6? anyway

[@somethingbrite8484]

LazerPig was Q innit?

[@ElDuderino999]

Gonzalo Lira getting busted recently by the Ukrainian SBU and greeted with the words „Welcome to Ukraine“ made my day.

[@twirlyturd4364]

Very democratic country 😂

[@ElDuderino999]

@@twirlyturd4364 don‘t confuse „democracy“ with „legality“. If Lira has broken Ukrainian law on Ukrainian soil, he shall rightfully be arrested and trialed.

[@twirlyturd4364]

@@ElDuderino999 I understand but in Russia it’s alright too put gay people in jail but that dosnt make it right, Ukraine is about as much as authoritarian state as any other pumped with our money

[@griechland]

@@twirlyturd4364 Did you just compare arresting people suspected for espionage/enemy propaganda with arresting gay people?

[@twirlyturd4364]

@@griechland he’s not even guilty yet Ukraine is an authoritarian state just like Russia is it’s a fine comparison and I’ll make it again

[@elkosins1686]

Who’s rewatching before lazerpig goes on the podcast himself?

[@harkerbarker7608]

Right here

[@matthewchapman6305]

Just finished it. Holy god, that was embarrassing. Gonzalo is pathetic.

[@armorhide406]

@@matthewchapman6305 he's a terrible person. It's not enough to be wrong, he had to be an ass about it and that seems his default behavior

[@isopod_gaming-real-]

Watched the video that came out after, it was horrid

[@BNRmatt]

After, as a palate cleanser.

[@tarask8611]

Russia "has not even started" and lost 900+ visually confirmed tanks. Imagine how many tanks Russia would have lost if it has "really started" lol

[@Yora21]

Stalemate after 5 months is exactly how Russia planned it from the start.

[@tarask8611]

@@tomvobbe9538 oryx weapons tracker should administer some copium to russian simps as it's 916 as of 1 August 🤣🤣🤣

[@tandemcharge5114]

@@tomvobbe9538 They lost 900+ tanks visually confirmed, period, I don't know why you bother to deny it like a muppet

[@pandapandapanda1337]

@@tomvobbe9538 900 just visually confirmed LOL

[@p_serdiuk]

@@tomvobbe9538 Oryx had recently congratulated Ukraine on destroying 5000 vehicles. 900+ of them are tanks. Every single one verified, photographed and geolocated.

[@culley8841]

I'm gonna go ahead and say it...an American artillerymen would never refer to artillery as the "God of War" they would refer to it as the king of battle. This guy never served or was an supply officer attached to an artillery battery.

[@anonim-8572]

I think Americans and Russians use it tad differently... AFAIk the former have high emphasis on communications and mobility of their artillery so that whereever the infantry or armor are they can pinpoint an enemy and get fast fire on target consistently, while the latter rather rely on sheer quantity of guns to wipe out enemies with long, powerful, area of effect barrages before they rush in with mass armored units supported by infantry. I may be wrong though, these were things in WW2, but then both strategies worked well against Germans so...

[@todo9633]

As the old saying goes, infantry is the queen of the battlefield but artillery is the king, and everyone knows what the king does to the queen.

[@nukclear2741]

From what was found, he had a desk job attached to an artillery brigade.

[@culley8841]

@@nukclear2741 figured as much, probably supply or an S shop or some shit.

[@dernwine]

Someone did a deep dive on "Armchair Warlord"'s career over on twitter... suffice to say, he never commanded much of anything and was shuffled about from place to place.

[@longhornsfan99]

“Hit the polish border, the Poles would love that.” If only you were wrong 😂

[@altechelghanforever9906]

The Poles are unironically grinding their Sabers for a chance at Russia. Those guys have *YEARS* of pent up revenge.

[@Anthony-jo7up]

@@altechelghanforever9906 Centuries

[@Shaun_Jones]

@@altechelghanforever9906 not sabers, this is Poland we’re talking about, they’re busy polishing their war hammers and gun-axes.

[@kaworusilentpaw7246]

@@Shaun_Jones and Sabers and War Scythes

[@ewanhogg3068]

@@Anthony-jo7up Winning the Polish-Soviet War bled some of it off.

[@armorhide406]

Actually, based on one interview from Lindybeige from his friend who volunteered regarding HistoryLegend's claim of people being shocked at combat there, yes. There were certain US veterans who expected fire support and fast medevac but couldn't get it because Ukraine isn't nearly at that standard. Lazerpig's counterargument is still valid though. Many volunteers stuck it out and are goddamned badass. Many were gung ho with experience or not and couldn't hack it but I don't blame them

[@victorquesada7530]

That all makes sense to me. One could be prepared to fight, and have combat experience from a very different scenario, and therefore end up being very shaken by something like being on the receiving end of artillery shelling despite being a capable veteran. But the people who signed up are putting their money where their mouth is, while I'm commenting on KZbin videos.

[@Cdre_Satori]

It reminded me of when a private security contractor came to our uni to give talk about his experience. He pretty much hit all the same points, from some guys being there for the money (looting in volunteer case) or their conviction (killing ruskies ) to the realisation that situation gets very different once you don't have the might of US logistics and air force behind you and suddenly you are in a relatively fair fight. And sometimes badasses in Ukraine don't even get to have a fair fight.

[@BoleDaPole]

Dude I can't believe that guy didn't step on a land mine or something.. I'm guessing he was a nurse ? No way that dude survives the meat grinder for more than a week.

[@BoleDaPole]

Yea merc work is big money, especially when the US is flipping the bill .

[@LANeverSleeps]

@@BoleDaPole The lindybeige interviewee was a forward observer for artillery.

[@joshwondra9821]

Another thing I’ve not particularly seen talked about: Russia doesn’t really build anything. They can do mass resource extraction at scale (agriculture, timber, oil, minerals, mining), but they don’t then turn that into secondary or tertiary goods domestically for export. They extract the resources, sell them abroad, and then import everything they want. This didn’t matter as long as prices were high and markets were open; they could sustain a consumer culture off the back of a resource economy just fine if people are willing to pay top dollar for the resources. But they never diversified. They tried to build Moscow into a financial center to rival London. But it ended up being used for money laundering and diverting state wealth over to actual London to be spent on luxuries, soft power, and influence in the “decadent west”. Antonov ended up being Ukrainian after the Soviet Union fell. They never bothered to replace it or keep that expertise domestically. Baikunur is in Kazakhstan now along with all their rocketry infrastructure. (Which is why I think they left the ISS. Partly because they don’t want to cooperate with America, but I also think Tokaev told them to screw off and that they can’t launch anything) Their vodka industry is in Lithuania. None of the flagship “Russian” produce are made in Russia and the things they do make are crap. And that was BEFORE they got sanctioned to hell. Nobody smart wants to be there, anybody with any sort of clout or connections is leaving, meaning that the problem of having no specialized skills gets more acute and the economic situation gets ever more permanently screwed. But it also means that the people that remain are less and less capable of doing anything about their situation and ever-more repressed. The whole country is a powder-keg. Putin is acting like Tsar Nicholas and risks getting got the same way the Romanovs did. Just like the Tsar thought “I’ve got the Okhrana; I’m safe”, Putin thinks “I’ve got the KGB and all my chekist buddies; I’m safe.” But if he loses the generals and the GRU, the domestic spy agencies might well decide that their future lies in getting rid of the boss instead of protecting him. That’s pure speculation on my part, but the point of all this being that the war is already over, and was over months ago. Combat is ongoing, but Russia is already defeated. Say they take over Ukraine militarily. There’s no way to integrate that territory. It will be under military occupation indefinitely. And unlike the USA in Afghanistan or Iraq, it will be by a people that look, talk, and sound like them. American troops couldn’t easily infiltrate afghan society to mess with stuff. We had to use force of arms. Ukrainian guerrillas wouldn’t have that problem. They could blend in in most places in Russia and cause problems wherever they wanted. That’s Russia’s win scenario: endless domestic problems. And at this point there’s pretty much no hope of getting sanctions fully lifted until AFTER the inevitable postwar trial in The Hague happens, because of all the blatant war crimes. The economic and political war is almost more important than the shooting war, and in that sense, Ukraine is resoundingly victorious. Pushing Russians out of their territory is awesome, because they have less to negotiate with, but the ideal for Ukraine is probably “push the Russians out to the border, and then just hold there indefinitely while Russia implodes”

[@KasumiRINA]

As a Ukrainian, I have two points for you: 1. There's no way someone in russia goes against putin. He's extremely popular be ause of the war, he literally came to power by blowing up moscow homes and starting another war in Chechnya. The idea that you can give away your son for a new car is a dream come true for most russians. And they can get a Ukrainian fridge too... They couldn't before the full scale war. Why would oligarchy or SOF overthrow someone who covers up their theft with ultra nationalistic patriotism?! For last few days, russian social networks completely forgot about domestic problems as they got a bunch of war crimes videos to enjoy... Their leader gives them the most important thing, snuff. "The give a son, get a car" paradisgm is not a joke. The russian society IS cynical like this, always has been. Families keep fighting over "coffin money", as russian media calls it, not just us mocking them. 2. Economically, EU is giving russia one BILLION dollars EVERY DAY, Ukraine MAYBE gets that sum in months. While russian economy collapsed 20%, our went down by half... Until we get weapons that can target deep within russiian territory we won't even come close to giving them as much damage as they do to us. In case you haven't noticed, our recent victories consisted of destroying our OWN infrastructure in Kherson. And any liberated town, after russians are gone, is rubble. Until we glass moscow and turn leningrad oblast' into moon scenery, AND Europe stops giving russia endless money to kill us, damage to Ukraine will be much higher. We will win, but you're putting too much hopes on russians doing anything against each other when they're too busy torturing and burning Ukrainains alive in concentration camps. And Ukraine is basically also fighting against Germans financing all the russian army needs and more, with Swiss economy quadrupling export to russia and Italy just increasing it. "Thanks" Canada for making a sanction-evading precedent with a turbine... We're fighting against European money funnel and global money laundering pros. Again, we WILL win and punish every company and state that trades with russia. It's just the fight now is against entire EU economy providing russia with endless ammo and food for soldiers cheat... While lifting sanctions and stealing our grain.

[@joshwondra9821]

@@KasumiRINA I hadn’t realized how bad the Nazi-style looting was of Ukrainian things. That is very fucked, and horrible. Also, I had thought that most of the purchases of Russian gas by Europe were cancelled weeks ago, along with their ability to receive payment for them. I am disappointed to be wrong about that. Slova Ukraina, and I continue to pray for your country. Also, probably you are right. I tend to be very an optimist about most things. To the point of unlogic, it seems.

[@mathematicality]

"Russia doesnt build anyything" what a load of nonsense

[@vitaliitomas8121]

@@joshwondra9821 yo, Rina's compatriot here. About gas -- Europe has to buy from russia now because they got too dependant on it. I hope they won't be doing it next year. Infrastructure can be rebuild, so can be cities. The human loses... yeah. Russia used world hunger as leverage, while burning fields it can't hold or capture.

[@joshwondra9821]

@@mathematicality obviously they do build things, but their industrial base is mostly leftovers from the soviet era or heavily modernized but focused on resource extraction. They don't make their own semiconductors, or cars, or end-use goods. They sell the raw materials, and then import the finished things from abroad, mostly.

[@neilgriffiths6427]

Great show, but totally gonna have to disagree - as an office worker, I get far more sensible and informed discussions around the water cooler than what we've got from these four jokers.

[@nunyastockson5901]

same. some is bullshit. some is interesting. but in general i think its kinda cause we all know and accept that we know little. so we just lump our teeny bits of info and spitball. my personal theory is that the ukraine attack was to secure 2 goals. to obviously get their clay and the food it has. world is fucked and ukraine has food. and i think from the russian actions they also are using the war as a test. to test the wests tactics and to test their own weakness. cause they have no military experience. only way to test your troops is to have them shoot and be shot.

[@Shaun_Jones]

I haven’t, all my coworkers still believe the “Russia is holding all its good stuff in reserve” horseshit.

[@cleanerben9636]

@@Shaun_Jones I thought that at first, but then the "good stuff" never seemed to turn up.

[@AsbestosMuffins]

@@Shaun_Jones that or the "Both states are so horribly corrupt we shouldn't do anything" opinion that makes no sense

[@Your_Resident_Redleg]

God damn. I myself am a former artilleryman, and my chief was a marine infantryman in desert storm before he made his way to army arty. He taught me what arty’s role is. Destruction. Annihilation. Leveling compounds and depots from the other side of an entire mountain sometimes. We have ammo the likes of which you wouldn’t believe, and we can act as infantry when us heavy M109 guys deploy to where heavy isn’t allowed. Artillery has always, and always will be one of the most important things in any military conflict from the tactical, to strategic level. These sad clowns make me feel like the uneducated idiots in my unit could write Shakespeare and discover ftl travel…

[@alexboccaccio5431]

Nice, sorry to hear that

[@Stryker2279]

My favorite quote of napoleon is "God is on the side with the best artillery" Thing is, I'm pretty sure napoleon would shit his pants if you showed him what air dominance can do

[@trouty7947]

@@Stryker2279 air superiority is just flying artillery

[@helbent4]

And why the heck do you not have a podcast instead of these cretins?

[@threepoint14159265]

Ironically there is a Russian who understood the power of artillery: Peter the Great, who was in the artillery corps when he fought in the Russian army.

[@griphyx3540]

watching a 9 months old lazerpid video, while being drunk is one hell of an adventure, I feel like I'm listening to my interior monologue

[@AtomicTrain]

Fr

[@genius1d2]

I think it's clarifying to understand that most of these former military "experts" tend to be either former enlisted, lower level NCOs or low level officers whose main exposure to military art is on the tactical level. These guys understand the tactics of small and maybe even midsize military units. But they think that if you just string together enough tactical victories, this somehow means you'll win in the end, somehow. It's why they don't seem to understand the necessity of aligning your tactical and operational objectives with larger strategic objectives or the complex underlying systems of logistics and applications of joint forces (air/land/sea). Now, smart officers or NCOs quickly put this together on their own and realize how much is happening above their local fight, but none of these guys seem like the sharpest swords in the armory.

[@robinpage2730]

That's why they didn't progress to command, I'll wager. They're not smart

[@Typexviiib]

Excellent comment

[@zache5486]

Are you saying the Corporal in the maintenance brigade isn’t an expert on Geopolitics?

[@UnitSe7en]

@@zache5486 The point is that they think themselves are, not that any of us are surprised they're not.

[@AmericaFirstRifleman]

@@zache5486 Say that to the sergeant 1st class in the S3 shop dumb-ass

[@haxney]

"Russia is so clearly winning this war" 😂 Meanwhile, military nurses are telling draftees to ask their family for tampons to plug bullet wounds, because there is no gauze.

[@gamingforever9121]

And the funny thing is Tampons won’t stop a gunshot wound your need Gaze and proper bandages for that and ideally a trained navy core-men .

[@monkmoto1887]

@@gamingforever9121 corpsman…. And guaze won’t stop serious bleeding you need a tourniquet first and quick surgery bandaging should come after that, it’s not a scraped knee

[@gamingforever9121]

@@monkmoto1887 lol I know I was forgetting something also dam auto correct 😂

[@shadow200343]

@@monkmoto1887 A Tourniquet will only do so much. A Hemostat is preferable but if Gauze is all you got, then it's all you got and it's so much better then just leaving the tourniquet on for God knows how long

[@Mortablunt]

I haven’t seen any issues with supply of gauze. The tampon thing is old advice and yes it’s also been used by NATO troops including in the wars we just got out of.

[@0mikr0n]

I absolutely love how readily and calmly you said "Su-75 Femboy," as if that's the actual name of it. Nearly did a spit take with my morning coffee. Thank you, lol.

[@justduck4504]

But where did the Femboy joke come from. Isn't it what the NATO callsign is of the plane?

[@nukclear2741]

You can say that this war ruined Putin’s crisp white sheets.

[@marcbhoy2811]

@@justduck4504 u/tritiu660 on r/noncredibledefense over a year ago not long after the manufacturer called it checkmate because it's supposed to be a Russian f-35

[@electricant55]

@@justduck4504 sadly, no(t yet). It’s a reddit meme

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

I legit looked it up to see if that was the actual name

[@markd4776]

Anyone else rewatching this after watching Lira's meltdown yesterday? ;)

[@ChristianF15cher]

What more proof did we need that Russia supporters are either shills are dupes?

[@Fingered22]

Present and accounted for

[@thewordisgood1544]

Yup

[@tillerzeit]

Hi

[@corrat4866]

Reporting in.

[@DrewLSsix]

I like how on the one hand "America relies too much on technology " but also "thin vintage Russian platform is definitely more technologically advanced and capable"

[@RD1R]

Leftists have been siphoning off all military funding since 1950. Our best strike aircraft is actually a p-38, as god intended. Any photos or footage that show otherwise are part of the conspiracy. The only aircraft to make it out of the horrific cesspool of pentagon laundering was the A-10, and I have it's silhouette tattooed on me bum.

[@lip124]

Yea these guys are DUMB

[@Predator20357]

On the same level as “It’s just as good!” People

[@404found00]

"Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak." - Umberto Eco, "Ur-Fascism"

[@Mortablunt]

The strong and weak simultaneously thanks sounds like how Ukraine talks about the Russians. The Russians are overwhelmingly strong they will exterminate us as a people but they’re also pathetic weak Asian Subhumans.

[@shantygaming694]

Meh, I have zero sympathy for the Gonzalo Lira guy if he gets bullied. Dude has harassed people outside of his podcast on numerous occasions. He’s so far down the rabbit hole that he’s claimed if he dies, it’s because Ukraine has assassinated him.

[@RuneFoot]

I know a lot about "gonzo lira" his og internet name is Coach red pill. He is a Russian disinformation agent... literally. He used to work for RT. He is also a horrible person.

[@murphy7801]

Either he's taking russian money or he has some mental health issues

[@RuneFoot]

@@murphy7801 both

[@murphy7801]

@@RuneFoot well taking russian kgb...I mean fsb money would make me paranoid

[@billbeck3258]

69 likes

[@gamer_valley]

Artillery experience... I was in the mortars. And as a soldier in the mortars, we know VERY little about what we do. Or how to properly deploy it. Artillery is not like a rifle, where you see a target-point at it- and fire. Youre operating a machine. You get target coordinates, and a fire order including grenade type, but you dont know what you hit. Then you are told to pack up and move, but you're generally not told why you are going there. Its like someone saying "I can give a qualified opinion on car design, I used to work for Mercedes". And then it turns out he was working on the assembly line.

[@KingFunky]

Goated profile pic btw

[@colonialf7047]

Same with arty! Hey, go here, set up and wait for fire orders Get fire order. Fire rounds as needed. Get another order, fire AGAIN Get order to pack up and move. Repeat.

[@ericquiabazza2608]

And that is why a thing they have to drill into rafio operator is to give enemie coordinates and NOT Their own when under presure This is a common mistake of since the Wolrd wars.

[@smtxs9274]

Most all people in the military have a very very small understanding of the big picture it turns out

[@ficklefingeroffate]

I had to go back and watch this again as a result of the Gonzalo Lira shitshow from today.

[@baneofbanes]

Was it that bad?

[@ficklefingeroffate]

@@baneofbanes This "roundtable debate" was this Gonzalo clown shouting over his "guests" continuously.

[@Neon-Covenanter]

Yeah, diddo. Thou dost accuse thine enemy of what thyself are guilty of.

[@56bturn]

@@baneofbanes It was worse.

[@jeffreyskoritowski4114]

Same here

[@bplup6419]

Being an expert because you were in the military is like using "military grade" in commercials. Immediately let's me know whatever comes next is absolute crap.

[@evelyncooper724]

There's two sides to it, for example I'd trust a tanker about their experience with their tank, or a pilot their experience with a plane they flew. That being said I wouldn't trust the opinion of a naval janitor as to the capabilities of a Bradley

[@kittytrail]

@@evelyncooper724 nor should you trust an admiral... 😬

[@btb4122]

@@evelyncooper724 Or an Airforce procurement officer on the Bradley

[@mastathrash5609]

Agreed, these guys do kinda read as the type who Find statistics that suit their piece of mind/narrative without verifying or comparing (or accepting) them with any other sources ..thus making them "experts" or lightweight Russoboos

[@adriankowalski5492]

"military grade" was on box from my msi motherboard, I guess, according to this experts I have military equipment in my room now.

[@joshwondra9821]

One thing I’ve not seen talked about much in sorta the western “warfare commentary o-sphere” is the amount of Russian casualties that are actually Ukrainian casualties. I was talking about this with a friend in Kyiv the other day, and he let me know something I hadn’t really taken note of. But, apparently many of the frontline deaths in the early days of war were actually just the military core of the Donetsk and Luhansk rebel forces. Russia showed up and said “hey, we’ve secretly helped you for years; we’re actually here now. Go and die for us.” And they did. So the “pro-Russian” people that Russia “went to save” are either dead or completely hate Russia now. Any/all pro-Russian sentiment anywhere has died. Russia made a huge strategic error and actively destroyed it themselves.

[@aaroncabatingan5238]

That's what happens when you become a pawn of Russia. While Ukraine, in some form is a pawn of the US, at least they're receiving intel, high quality weapons military, diplomatic, political, humanitarian and economic support, shelter for their refugees, training for their soldiers, and a post war plan to help their country. Meanwhile, the only thing the Donbass traitors gets are mosin nagants and T62s. Also, the Ukrainians are free to do whatever they want. If they want to make peace, they'll try to do it and the US won't stop them(the Belarus talks for example) while the Donbass traitors have no choice but to keep fighting and dying for a guy in the Kremlin.

[@Logan55689]

That would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

[@Seth9809]

Yeah, the conscription rate within the Separatists, according to their own sources, is basically including 15 year olds and grandpas now.

[@robadc]

There was a video in the early months of the war of some DPNR conscripts that had been captured. The horrific thing was that they were all pretty much teachers, some even had military exemptions. Most of them had been carted off for mandatory training exercises only to be sent directly to the front lines with no idea where they were going. It was so hasty most of their families didn't even know what had happened to them since they didn't say anything because it was only supposed to be for a weekend.

[@KasumiRINA]

Why are westerners so brainwashed by russian propaganda that you STILL call russian proxies in Donetsk and Luhansk "rebels" and refer to them as "Ukrainian"? They're fighting for russia for 8+ years. All of their command and higher ranked officers are russians. There are local consripts too, but all they are is being local consripts of russian army. Think like Roman auxillia vs legions. So those are russian casualties. And no, the pro-russian sentiment among military on ORDLO (territories occupied in 2014) isn't gone. Listen to interviews of PoWs. The traitors from there are way MORE pro-russian than... Actual russians. They had totalitarian anti-Ukrainian propaganda for a decade. Reintegration of those territories would be much harder than liberation of Crimea. Half of population left there in 14, what remains are severely brainwashed. They don't identify as Ukrainians no more, in general. We'll have to do levels of deprogramming that South Korea does to refugees from the North.

[@legiocii2678]

One of the things that The_Chieftain does before he gives any talks is that he has a line about who he is that goes something along the lines of "I was an Armor Officer. This means nothing." He then goes on to explain his actual qualifications- namely being a historian and archivist for WarGaming that is paid to go to museums and archives around the world and find stuff out.

[@avengercannon]

Same reason I like Paul Harrell, he says everyone has different experiences and there are so many variables that even his findings can be meaningless. He has a question video where he pours out a 10 gallon tub of ribbons and medals as a joke about his credentials for talking about firearm marksmanship.

[@sweracoon7931]

He is right, as well. I was in the infantry. That means absolutely nothing to my credibility as an observer of the strategic situation in Ukraine, for example.

[@Dragunov8808]

I personally think that The Chieftain is a little modest in that regard. Don't get me wrong, service alone means absolutely nothing on it's own, and it's wise to keep that in mind after getting out. But I think one of the things that makes the Chieftain so great is that WITH that massive amount of research on the topic he can look at a vehicle and note "Oh, (insert vital day to day maintenance or priority of work tasking) would be a (breeze/nightmare) on this vehicle, because the way it's set up or designed." It's a little thing, but it's something that I think makes him just that extra little bit informative versus a exceptionally well informed expert who's never had to tension a track or do some other maintenance duty on an armored vehicle.

[@SueDoeNimh]

@@Dragunov8808 👍

[@Ensign_Nemo]

I believe that the Chieftan is still an active officer in the US Army Reserve. Most reservists are part-time soldiers, but the more senior officers have enough work to do that it becomes a full-time job. IIRC he's a Lieutenant Colonel.

[@Frserthegreenengine]

"I think Russia's military was underestimated by the US and Ukraine." Does Brian (or any of them) live on the same planet as I do? The opposite is true, the US *overestimated* Russia's military effectiveness and capability. Russia were the ones underestimating Ukraine's military, their morale and their strong will to fight. I remember when the war started the US predicted that Ukraine would fall very quickly, ie. Ukraine would be lucky to last a few weeks. That did not happen, Ukraine fought back and Russia fumbled and blustered their "special military operation". So no, turns out everyone overestimated Russia's military.

[@ericbruns3798]

I met a few goobers like Armchair Warlord in my time. He is an embarrassment to the field artillery community. If he spent 11 years as a FA officer and knows that little about HIMARS, he was a poor FA officer. If he left the Army after 11 years, I have a suspicion it wasn’t his choice…

[@marcogenovesi8570]

I really hope he just lied about his past and he worked 11 years at KFC or something.

[@aaroncabatingan5238]

I think he got dishonorably discharged. I'm not sure though so don't quote me on that.

[@shirghazaycowboys]

There's a whole fucking rabbit hole with that guy. Iirc he had nothing to do with actual artillery, yes he was in the unit, but he was actually more along the lines of logistics. Also his book he wrote...... yikes

[@tcofield1967]

Who know what he did exactly in his branch. He could have been on M109s, M129s or M777s. Hell, I don’t know when he was active or if he ever was on Active Duty. He could have worked on the old M102s in the National Guard. All of these are fine artillery pieces but not rocket systems. He never did elaborate on his rank, training or experience in certain weapons systems.

[@WilhelmScreamer]

@@shirghazaycowboys do tell on the book, how much dumpster fire is it?

[@pokec.]

22 minutes in and man im enjoying this, as someone from a post Warsaw pact country, i always find it both funny And sad when naive westerners believe anything Moscow spits out.

[@kittytrail]

same as not listening to what they say. not that i advise anyone to do that for all those retarded western leaders, that might be so cringe inducing, you'll either die laughing at the sheer lunacy, hubris and chutzpah or fry your braincells due to massive cognitive dissonance with reality overload... 😬

[@superwout]

Former Warsaw Pact member

[@pokec.]

@@superwout thank you for the correction, emglish do be hard

[@Baconator5642]

@@pokec. i'm pretty sure he was correcting you for no reason, post means after and saying "post warsaw" would mean after warsaw was no longer a thing, they were just doing the whole grammar police thing

[@superwout]

@@pokec. nonono just a spontaneous comment. I don't want to correct but it has a significance...

[@existentialcrisisactor]

For you to be drunk and still be more civil than most people online, I'm not just impressed, I appreciate your approach

[@TheMialek360]

hes clearly not drunk.... it a fun joke the video is written as a script probably get real man its not the wonderland.....

[@kitten-inside]

He's just intensely Bri'ish.

[@existentialcrisisactor]

I wrote this early on in the video and realized it's a joke. The delivery is SO good!! 🤣 Still. Cheers mates!

[@alganhar1]

@@TheMialek360 I don't know. He is obviously a Scot by his accent, so he could well be..... I have known Scots to remain more or less cogent until they fall over! Least he is not Glaswegian. Then we would not be able to understand him sober OR drunk! As a Welshman I have absolutely NO issue taking the piss out of ANY of the other Brits around, after all, it is our favourite past time!

[@BlyatimirPootin]

@@alganhar1 hear hear!

[@ivanthemadvandal8435]

It's funny. I looked at Gonzalo's channel, he's been calling virtually everything wrong since the beginning of the war and all his top comments keep talking about how he's so right about everything. WTF

[@jakobole]

Exactly....

[@ivanthemadvandal8435]

@@jakobole my favorite was 6 months ago he proclaimed that there would be no counter attack, that the war would be over be over by September, and that the west was training Ukrainians to wage a guerilla war in occupied territory. 😁

[@jakobole]

@@ivanthemadvandal8435 "Combined Incompentence" (tm)

[@fenrir5741]

Im pretty sure he works for Russia today then probably sold his soul to them for at least 40 dollars a day as a side job

[@PzGsephy]

I still can't believe how quick the legendary VDV, fell. The mythical crack airborne troops of the union and federation, utterly demolished in days of the wars start. I think that alone changed my opinion of how competent Russia, and the PRC, really are. I think the nukes are all that's keeping them relevant militarily speaking.

[@azmanabdula]

Speaking of those, I wonder what condition those are in

[@p_serdiuk]

@@azmanabdula About to get much worse since several VDV regiments were redeployed to the Kherson area.

[@KoishiVibin]

*arms SM-3* WELL LET'S SEE!

[@GoldSpangledBananaBoy]

@@p_serdiuk oooh, those poor bastards.

[@Hamzat22]

Well Russian army is 80% smoke and mirror. Very capable vs small countries like Chechnya or Georgia, confronted with a semi modern oponent it fells apart. And that is not the first time we see this happening.

[@hotrodturtle]

You mean to tell me that Gonzalo Lira, a man who started his KZbin career called Coach Red Pill, using 15 camera angles and 50 jump cuts to tell young men to train women like dogs (and is also currently divorced by the way), might not be a reliable source on the war? I am shocked, SHOCKED sir. Good vid btw.

[@johndonwood4305]

You reminded me of this youtube video /watch?v=kkcUQXWv5Ko

[@MarcosElMalo2]

Divorced . . . From reality.

[@zofiaskokowska6816]

Tells young man to train woman!? Not all woman. Only these woman that can't tell the difference between a man and a bone.

[@Bingo_Bango_]

@@zofiaskokowska6816Trying is not succeeding. Healthy adults do not generally need substitute father figures to tell them how to get laid.

[@zofiaskokowska6816]

@@Bingo_Bango_ With so many "Divorced...From Reality " "healthy adults ", these days, it might be that "how to get laid" , is the only knowledge young adults have today. From" substitute father figures", seriously thinking about life and marriage 💑 people may learn, how to avoid red flags 🚩 like yourself. Thank you Coach Red Pill💊 .

[@djzoodude]

Oh, I get it, this is an alternate history podcast, where Russia hasn't bungled nearly every level of the war in Ukraine. They didn't, you know, very publicly completely fail to take Kyiv, suffering enormous losses in men and equipment, pull back their forces, and then recommit to the Donbas region which they then took literally months to take a very small chunk of Ukraine in grinding, slow offensives that resulted in even heavier losses in men and equipment. My favorite part is when the dude said that NATO and Ukraine "underestimated" Russia. Yeah, we totally underestimated them... we underestimated how incredibly incompetent they are. The news coverage of beginning of the war in Ukraine is basically just analyst after analyst from the West talking about were how shockingly badly Russia was and is doing. NATO overestimated, by a pretty big margin, how effective Russia would be. Russia better hope they never have to face an actual NATO military force. The war would be over in a week or maybe two, and Russia would either have to sue for peace after all it's conventional forces got wiped out or take the conflict nuclear.

[@haraldhimmel5687]

I don't think Western media were that much more informative, snickering about every stupid blunder the Russians did for months before concluding that these ridiculous, slow offenses cost Ukraine over 80% of their industrial capacity. And who has heavier losses is debatable. The CIA recently estimated that Russia lost about 15k soldiers in total while the Ukrainian government revealed that Ukraine kept losing around 1000 soldiers a day over weeks while trying to somehow plug the gaps at the Saporizia frontline and to hold Severodonetsk. IDK who it is supposed to help underestimating the danger Russia is posing. Its not like they are gonna leave because of our media coverage.

[@Destroyer_V0]

Your takeaway at the end there... yeaaah. Yeah. If a conflict with nato and russia does happen, and no nukes get involved, russia is screwed. Nato has the manpower advantage, the tech and industry advantage. And assuming it's some extension of the ukraine war? Plenty of people who are gonna be quite happy putting russia in their place, if not nesescarily putting russians down. Nuke escalation is allowed in their constitution though... so if it gets to that point, and any of the russian military in nuke silos or subs actually follows through on the order to fire? Yeaaah. We are fucked.

[@djzoodude]

@@Destroyer_V0 the whole biosphere is pretty fucked, to be honest, should it come to that. Cause the US isn't just gonna sit back and let Russia just nuke them. It'll be a massive nuclear exchange that destroys both Russia and the US, and probably ultimately results in the extinction of the human species, as well as a good chunk of life on Earth

[@djzoodude]

@@haraldhimmel5687 um... what? It's like you didn't even watch the video. The numbers you just gave are literally refuted in the video.

[@haraldhimmel5687]

@@djzoodude I must have missed that. Why are the numbers of the Ukrainian government and the CIA not acceptable?

[@SuchDoge4242]

Back after lazerpig owned Gonzalo In his own game. "Bradley's are just lightly armored jeeps.

[@jacobnoelle8428]

Hope his liver is ok after that "Debate"

[@eminatorstudios]

I didn't even realize those were both conceived by the same dimwitted oaf

[@Reddsoldier]

"Weapons alone don't win wars" Remind me, uh which side has been blindly throwing tanks and APCs into combat with no infantry support and blindly firing artillery into population centres again?? And then remind me, what side had an abundance of volunteers but needs arms to arm them?? Something tells me that giving arms to that second one there might actually be a really good way to ensure they win. Also, did anyone catch how disingenuous the examples for "technology doesn't win wars" were? Dude listed counter-insurgencies as proof that the US couldn't win a conventional war... despite the US to my knowledge NEVER having lost a conventional war (unless we count 1812 as a loss). The last example of a conventional war that the US took part in was Desert Storm... and I mean it is a textbook masterclass of integrated use of superior technology to take advantage of an enemy's weaknesses.

[@mekingtiger9095]

I truly hate it when people bring guerrilla examples such as Vietnam and Afghanistan to argue that "Russia is doing far better than the US ever could because Ukrainians aren't sand people or jungle people with AKs". Do I have to tell anything that is wrong with this statement? Because it is *very* common between Russian "bots" in Brazil (they're actually just fanatic US and West haters who pick up sides like football teams and also because they felt threatened by them because they heard an overly exagerated "they gonna invade annex muh Amazon" fake news when in fact this subject/topic is barely brought up in actual geopolitics).

[@daseinzigwahrem]

You could argue that Vietnam was a conventional war. I mean, of course the Viet Cong were fighting their guerilla campaign in the south, but at the same time the NVA had hundreds of tanks, aircraft, artillery pieces and missile launchers.

[@Reddsoldier]

@@daseinzigwahrem And in the conventional stages they got wrecked so hard that they had to put their tanks and jets in China to avoid them being totally destroyed.

[@baneofbanes]

@@daseinzigwahrem thing is the Americans won pretty much every conventional battle. It was only by fighting in ways that didn’t give the Americans an advantage that Vietnam won.

[@royalhistorian5109]

@@daseinzigwahrem and it didn't help that Americans politician thought that Running Thunder was a great idea...against a nation that managed to adapt into the tunnels and process Soviet SAMs. As a result, the air force was poorly used and suffered heavy casualties. Let also not forgot that the South Vietnam government was horrible unpopular, which made it quite easy for the North in gaining new recruits.

[@icecoldcrickets1452]

Imma throw this out there because @LazerPig is spot on. I spent 10 year in the US Army as an active duty infantryman, 3 deployments to Afghanistan, got out as a SSG. My last gig was as the Regimental Operations NCO for 2nd Cav, so I know more than a lot of guys do. But that's kind of the thing, I know more than most officers in the Army do about the geopolitical situation in Ukraine... and I don't know shit. The very first thing you should be thinking when some Captain, or Major (or even a CSM) starts talking on a podcast about how much of an expert they are on Ukraine and they're not in Intel is that they're a tool. They're worse than somebody who doesn't know what they're talking about, because they *think* they know. And it's 'King of Battle', not 'God of War'. That cannon cocker should have lost his shit if he was actually any good at his job. I am professionally inclined to hate arty, and I'm offended on their behalf.

[@mattl3729]

Well said, but one thing, not to be too pedantic, but I do believe in WWII the Soviets did indeed call artillery 'The God of War'; it was the Germans who first (and long before) called the Infantry the Queen of all Arms (Königin aller Waffen) as in the which arm of the military- and Queen only because Infanterie is a feminine noun, so needs the proper gendered modifier- implying the Queen/King of Battle too. The fact that Armchair Warlord used the Soviet title is in itself a little telling I'd say.

[@anarchomando7707]

Dunning Kruger effect my friend

[@icecoldcrickets1452]

@@mattl3729 Nah man I get different armies call it different things, but I'm an American and so are those other two shitlords; Artillery is the King of Battle, Infantry is the Queen. They should know better. And I think your comment about Armchair Warlord using the Soviet term being telling is accurate.

[@fretted4life]

@@icecoldcrickets1452 Could the Soviet reference of calling artillery 'God of War' have something to do with the saying by Napolean that 'God fights on the side with the best artillery'. I've seen retd. Indian Army vets use the Napolean saying in history documentaries.

[@RichardWilliams2015]

As a former MI NCO, find your SME on Ukraine and you'll find the most vindicated alcoholic screaming at the SCIF wall...

[@dsg256]

Armchair warlord is an officer with a failed career (passed up for promotion multiple times) trying to make a name for himself in the consulting space. Nearly everything he says is wrong and/or stupid

[@antoniojm1873]

So he's basically another Mike Sparks then.

[@manwithgun9768]

@@antoniojm1873 *D e a r* *G o d*

[@antoniojm1873]

@@manwithgun9768 THEY'RE REPLICATING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@manwithgun9768]

@@antoniojm1873 QUICK, SOMEBODY GET THE A-10, AND INSULT THE FUCK OUT OF IT

[@bradyportwood9398]

@@antoniojm1873oh god it’s only a matter of time

[@caboosehelpsu2840]

Came back here after the “Debate”. This REALLY doesn’t age well. Well done there, LP.

[@dylfai]

Aged like fine, fine milk.

[@alabonefy]

Debates are not based on true or false answers to questions. There was no debate, gozalo was too afraid of talking about the subjects beyond making people answer statements with one word. To call it a debate is a joke

[@dylfai]

@@alabonefy Brilliant, couldn’t of said it better if I tried.

[@nilsmeyer7278]

@@alabonefy he put debate in "quotes" bro

[@kikidevine694]

To be fair, tampons are actually a great emergency field dressing as they act like a self-inflating absorbent plug (think about what they are designed to do). The main point people were making with that video is that 'the second army in the world '(cough, bollocks) can't afford/has lost even basic medical supplies. Hell, the poor saps have to buy their own kit and rations.

[@tethryss5001]

The fact that people still think warfare is ANYTHING like WW2 is fucking baffling.

[@Full_Otto_Bismarck]

I wonder if thats because there hasn't been unrestricted conventional warfare between major powers since.... Well im gonna say 1945 as I dont really count China in the Korean War as a major military power plus it was restricted warfare. Obviously nuclear weapons changed that forever and some think that nukes have prevented ww3, im not so sure that's because of nukes, but I digress. Point is that all out war between two big first world militaries hasn't happened since ww2 so as per the trope of militaries "always fighting the last war" perhaps the perception of the enthusiastic but ultimately naive and ignorant "youtube military expert" is that war must still be like ww2 because ww3 hasn't happened yet to show them otherwise? Idk im just trying to guess why they think this way. I think its interesting none the less how this ukraine conflict has shown us how full of shit so many military "experts" were.

[@kameronjones7139]

Ask anyone about air to air combat who thinks that dogfighting is still relevant

[@andrewmorris483]

@@kameronjones7139 It's relevancy is similar to that of a bayonet's in some sense. Sometimes (although it is very, very rare) the enemy gets a bit too close to blow them out of the sky from bvr and you have to get in and turn just a little. That's still dogfighting, even if you don't use a gun. US 5th gen fighters still have the capability of pulling a gun on the enemy because of that. Before you reply keep in mind that I reread this and realized how terribly I got my point across, but there is a reason the manneuverability of a fighter is still important.

[@kameronjones7139]

@@andrewmorris483 I never said that maneuverability isn't important my mains point is that ww2 era style of fighting is more or less over with

[@andrewmorris483]

@@kameronjones7139 oh. Yeah, that makes sense.

[@IdrinkSoup-phrog-]

“The land Russia has taken already will most likely remain Russian.” This did not age well

[@lukebruce5234]

It kind of has.

[@mallcop6652]

Aged like milk in a desert

[@zoidberg444]

They expended thousands of lives and the last offensive fire power of their army to recover some meaningless territory without retaking Kherson. All they did was hasten their own defeat. Destroying a nations military is more useful than fighting over every mile of territory.

[@davidmattiapietravalle2951]

it's based on a old (1850) Nikola I quote "Where the Russian flag was raised once, it should never be taken down,”

[@P.G13]

They annexed parts of Ukraine so Russia won

[@armandorodrigues144]

the most influential equipment being used in Ukraine is the UAV, artillery can't hit sh*t without knowing where to aim, so he basically started by completely denying that fact which shows how much of an "expert" they are

[@jameson1239]

I mean you don’t need a drone to be able to shoot with artillery however yes drones have proven to be invaluable that and information

[@danjames8314]

i mean fuck, the guy probably thinks HIMARS are a waste of time because "its not shooting enough in one volley"

[@Ryanowning]

An artillery man that doesn't understand how revolutionary spotting technologies always are and always have been with regards to artillery... Probably never saw combat or just took it for granted.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@jameson1239 UAV operators tend to give very good targeting information to arty due to obvious reasons (the UAV does most of the job for them). Spotters on the ground need to be decent at mapping and distance finding and all that sort of fun stuff that make the difference between a good scout unit and an infantry unit full of casuals

[@nbewarwe]

@@Ryanowning I remember seeing documentaries about how Japan built entire pillboxes on the sides of mountains specifically to act as artillery spotters at the end of ww2 for an American invasion. If a country on the brink of defeat is willing to use its dwindling resources for stuff specifically for spotting, then it should show how important spotting is in warfare.

[@kemarisite]

Regarding the introductions, I am reminded of the Chieftain's KZbin channel. When Chieftain references his own rank (Lt. Colonel now) and experience with M1 tanks and M2 IFVs, he then has immediately said, "This means nothing." Also, "weapons alone don't win wars". This is true. What really matters is the willingness of the men at the pointy end to use those weapons. A willingness the Ukrainians have demonstrated beyond any shadow of a doubt over the last six months, to the point that the West has been SHAMED into providing useful weapons and munitions to help.

[@josephahner3031]

And yet, all the will in the world won't win you a battle if all you have to fight with is a pointed stick.

[@run2u520]

What does being experienced with the M1 tanks and M2 bradley has to do with the price of fish?

[@piscessoedroen]

@@run2u520 you get veteran discount

[@SlappyTheElf]

@@run2u520 He did do a very very good video about not believing everything you see and how we'll only really find out what is actually happening long after all the smoke has cleared.

[@egoalter1276]

There is no shame inwolved in proxy wars. In fact Id call them quiet shameless.

[@John2r1]

" Technoloy doesn't win wars" Every army in human history disagrees with him. "Weapons don't win Wars " . All of his ancestors : How the hell did that idiot come out of our loin ?

[@JohnSmith-ox3gy]

Sid Meyer's Civilization has taught me that Giant Death Robots beat swordsmen.

[@Chevsilverado]

Yup some major logical fallacies in their opinion lol

[@kikidevine694]

I would love for them to put their money where their mouth is, and go up against a group of people. They can have pointy sticks, and the other group (similar ages, physical condition, etc.) have thermal imaging tech, machine guns and satellite access. By the reasoning from this group, it should be a draw.

[@davidschneider9145]

The only thing Russia actually modernized to a decent extent is their rifles. There’s only a couple of problems with that: An infantry rifle doesn’t win a war. The only benefit of the AK-12 over the AK-74m is the ability to use optical sights because of the Picatinny rail on top. Russia doesn’t have the money to buy optics. From what I‘ve heard, the trigger is worse than on the former standard issue rifle and it probably costs more.

[@jamesmijares6366]

The funny part about this is you CAN mount optics on the 74m... But the rails on the handguards is what makes and I think is the only major advantage against the 74m. So essentially, you paid billions to make a "new" gun just for that gun's only 2 advantages against the the gun that it's replacing is: - Railed Handguards - A flat notch on the bottom of the magazine, to help shooting prone.

[@orksniper2542]

@@jamesmijares6366 And then you see that the rails on the hanguards are near useless since they wobble so much that it's impossible to zero laser devices attached to them.

[@breadman32398]

The AK-12 is a wonderful example of the disconnect and powerlessness of the engineers and soldiers opinion when political points are involved. Spetsnaz guys know how to make the best AKs, Kalashnikov group does aswell, they've been using and copying Zentico forever. But they're being forced into horrible decisions by clueless politicians that only care about checking off features list and making good propoganda news headlines. We can't just Zentico our AK74s because that's not a revolutionary brand new wonder weapon!

[@Hjernespreng]

Well, infantry rifles did basically considerably win the Austro-Prussian war.

[@scruggs6633]

They also modernized individual body armor pretty significantly, but I don't know how many of their units received the new stuff vs the guys stuffing MacBooks in their plate carriers. Also, body armor doesn't do much against artillery or an NLAW hit to a BMP.

[@saintcynicism2654]

"Plus they have air superiority and have had that since Day 1" ...yes, because the dead giveaway that Russia has air superiority were the countless news articles and new network contributors all asking some form of the question "Where is the Russian air force?" Damn those ex-Soviet ninjas and their invisible planes!

[@orzorzelski1142]

Right next to those same articles saying that russians have run out of ammo. Ghost of kiev sends his regards.

[@Testimony_Of_JTF]

@@orzorzelski1142 There is actual evidence for that tho. The ghost of Kyiv thing was propaganda but that doesn't mean literally everything said about Russia is propaganda. Ffs I trust western media 10x more than the best russian media outlet.

[@whocares5432]

@@orzorzelski1142 Cope harder. NCD sends it's regards.

[@orzorzelski1142]

@@whocares5432 Map tells you the tale of what's going on, I don't need to cope.

[@saintcynicism2654]

@@orzorzelski1142 My god you're adorable. Though I will admit, it's hilarious that in your version of reality where they actually have it, the Russian military has somehow reached new heights of mind-numbing incompetence they can't actually put it to use and win the war.

[@Agent-Strawman]

Listen, as a former crew chief on the CH-53E, I can tell you everything you want to know about advanced combined arms tactics. Military experience is military experience. Sarcasm is implied.

[@MrJesse1472]

Crew dawgs huuuuuaaaaaaa

[@Agent-Strawman]

As a former crew chief on the CH-53E myself, I can confirm this as accurate.

[@thewordisgood1544]

I say, revisit this topic. After scaring Gonzalo so badly he threatened and kicked you off his show, it would be interesting to hear your take.

[@cnz4073]

I'm sure it'd be bloody great, but on the same token no post-mortem video from LP would be just as damn awesome and juicy too. You can bet this Lira person would be seething even harder if doesn't even get acknowledged.

[@JoeMitchell2]

I was a SGT in the U.S. Marines. I can tell you a bit of outdated information about 2M soldering & some facts about the M16A2 service rifle. I know how to shine leather shoes to a very glossy shine. None of this is anything a civilian wouldn’t necessarily know better than me, and also it’s not particularly relevant or helpful information to anyone. I have some opinions about a couple of aircraft & air warfare doctrine, but those are simply marginally well-informed opinions, most of the information that informs them wasn’t exactly part of my training or experience as a Marine. They’re subjects I’m interested in & I’ve done research on them, most of it as a civilian using civilian sources, but I’m not an expert and won’t pretend to be one. The only expertise I have as a former Marine which pertains to being a Marine is what it was like to be an enlisted Marine, specifically during the early- to mid-2000s. That’s it. I would contend that my situation is FAR from unique, in fact it’s closer to universal. Saying these guys are military experts - or experts in anything else - because of their military background, is like calling a person with a freshly-printed Bachelor’s degree in economics a “statistics expert” because they took a couple of stats classes for that degree. It’s asinine.

[@aaroncabatingan5238]

By admitting that you know nothing, you're smarter than everybody in that podcast.

[@theodorelopez8971]

I take your comments on my Econ Degree as a personal attack. I worked pretty goddamn hard for that C- in my Quantiative Methods in Business II course, thank you very much.

[@NarfoOnTheNet]

The part that really got me was the comment about how the HIMARS wouldn't be effective because they were designed for US troops, not Ukrainian. Like, how does that count as logic??

[@angrydoggy9170]

That’s because US troops are bigger and better?

[@FlyshBungo2]

I think the point was that HIMARS is designed to integrate with the US military doctrine, not anyone elses. Thats what lazer pig was arguing that it doesent matter (it really doesent) because you can set it up and shoot either way.

[@HerpDerpNV]

Because he is a tarded propagandist

[@veda9151]

Because usefulness is not a all or none issue, give me the best cookware out there wouldn't make me Gordon Ramsay, but I can still serve a eatable dinner for four with it. Propagandahess loves logic tricks.

[@cindermoth3421]

@@FlyshBungo2 aye, clearly hasn't stopped the Ukrainians from using them to wreak havoc on the Russians. Seriously, do those crews even sleep?

[@Darqshadow]

The whole argument on the Battalion thing is that when a unit is rendered combat ineffective, you don't just sit it behind the lines and slowly rebuild it during an active offensive going for your throat. Instead, you reform the unit with another shattered Battalion and make a new one from a group of veterans instead of reforming one straight from scratch

[@Spacey_key]

Russia: We destroyed 4 HIMARS Ukraine who have them: No you didn't USA who sees ALL of them: No you didn't

[@killer3000ad]

Russia submits video of a truck with logs getting blown up claiming it's a HIMARS.

[@Spacey_key]

@@killer3000ad it's not, I mean look at windows

[@Spacey_key]

@Admiral Kipper I can

[@sebas8225]

Russia who has more land taken from Ukraine: Ah well doesnt matter we taken more land from Ukraine anyways. Ukraine Who just took Snake island back: No you didnt, we havent sign the rights to it to you Amuhrica: Indeed those lands belong to ukraine by right. Russia: Come take them back with your HIMARS then. Amuhrica and Ukraine: F...

[@Spacey_key]

@@sebas8225 Nazi Germany took more land than the USSR in 1941, what's your point?

[@ShionWinkler]

My favorite part of Russia claiming to have killed 4 HIMARS back when Ukraine only had 4... and yet Ukraine kept using them... Oh and Russia claimed it killed more a few days later, when again Ukraine ONLY had 4 at that time....

[@Yora21]

Both Russian and also Chinese propaganda about military success and capabilities is not really meant to intimidate Western countries. The main purpose is to delude their own population that the government is strong and in control.

[@devrusso]

The first batch of HIMARS was 8, then 4 more and 4 more to come, for a total of 16. They never had "only 4". Are you getting your news from the Kyiv Independent, directly from the Ghost of Kiev or what?

[@devrusso]

@@Yora21 Oh yeah I read this in reddit the other day. Hivemind came to KZbin comments now?

[@ShionWinkler]

@@devrusso According to the US Department of Defense we sent 4 HIMARS to Ukraine on June 15th, followed by 4 more on June 29th, followed by 4 more on July 12th, and are now sending 4 more making for a total of 16 units. So according to the US between June 15th through the 29th, Ukraine had 4... It was during that time period, around June 20th that Russia first said it had destroyed 6 units... so 2 more then what they had at that time.

[@andreyh2944]

@@ShionWinkler You got a reference? I don't recall Russia claiming it destroyed 6, the number was 2 back then.

[@blanetanner1361]

I love how you don't just say "he is wrong"... you literally discuss why they are wrong, find out what the right answer is and then grind them into the ground with the facts. Exquisitely done @LazerPig, keep up the good work.

[@someoneinthecaucasus3232]

he also fakes intel slava Z telegram posts

[@nickbot3520]

@@someoneinthecaucasus3232 Source senator?

[@someoneinthecaucasus3232]

@@nickbot3520 the M270 from red alert is completely fake lol

[@yayeetmeoffacliff4708]

@@someoneinthecaucasus3232 that is not a source??

[@zopEnglandzip]

"fucks them into a fine paste" is I believe the beautifully eloquent term used

[@andrewcrowder4958]

And now Lira’s dead. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@scandited2763]

53:48 It reminds me how people were usually complaining about Ukraine doing anything, like: “Why can’t Ukraine = Sweden?” (in neutrality context) “Why can’t Ukraine = Switzerland?” (in language law context) “Why can’t Ukraine = Russia?” (in context of ‘brotherhood nations’) But Ukraine can’t ≠ Sweden, Switzerland or russia Because Ukraine is… drumroll* Ukraine! Wooow, breaking news!

[@odinsrensen7460]

I think you have a double negative you didn't mean to.

[@Predator20357]

It’s shocking how me and other people will forget that other countries can’t just replicate another countries ideas and it’ll work perfectly, it’s like taking a door screw and saying to use it for a Laptop.

[@murphy7801]

@@Predator20357 TBF we seen examples of when countries try this in Europe. It wasn't pretty.

[@Predator20357]

@@murphy7801 can you elaborate a bit?

[@badmacdonald]

the Russians need the West to ease off the aide to Ukraine. i really believe this is why we seem to be getting more of these channels talking about the futility of the aide in the first place. the Russians are in trouble.

[@TheOneTrueStAN]

"I served in the military as an artilleryman so I'm a military expert." "I worked at Subway so I'm an expert food critic." "I can operate an EKG so I'm pretty familiar with open heart surgery." "I've got 5000 hours in World of Tanks so I know the T-34 was the best tank of WW2." "I have a vegetable garden so I know all about agriculture."

[@killer3000ad]

"I have had sex a few times, so i am expert on sex positions"

[@sebas8225]

"I'm a pig pic avatar youtuber, so I know more about the ukraine war than gonzalo lira thats living in it while the war's going"

[@sebas8225]

I can tell by seeing the streams youtubers like the dive cant back up a discussions against big time experts without relying on regurgitating what other smarter more experienced roundtable members have said but trying to apply the same logic on other roundtable members like gonzalo is pretty dumb.

[@joachimvzm4274]

@@sebas8225 LP isn't relying on himself as a source, though. He also makes it a point to preface what he says by calling his assertions educated guesses based on the information publicly available, and doesn't pretend to have any kind of insider knowledge. And it doesn't take an expert to know that, say, relying on an official state media organ is a bad idea the way these supposed experts do. You don't exactly see Lazerpig citing the BBC very often, do you? Edit: correction, he actually does cite himself as a source, but only for things very specific to his experience as former British Intel. He mentions this at about 38:00. He wasn't some super secret agent, but his job was to predict civilian responses to battlefield conditions, so he has experience in that field and cites himself on that subject.

[@lecoutcritique8854]

you are a man of many talents :)

[@TheArcKnox]

"There's two people who served in the US Army right in front of you and you're going to claim the US Army doesn't have a structure" Copelord dodges questions about the nature of his separation from the US Army for a reason. He may have an axe to grind on that subject.

[@Shaun_Jones]

Dear God…he’s like the worst parts of both Mike Sparks and James Burton.

[@cmbara102]

What kind of US Field Artillery officer doesn't correct a dude calling FA God of War. If you were in the US Army and were ANYHWERE NEAR FA, you'd know it's King of Battle. Also, 8 years as an officer means he got out as a Captain. I'm going to call it right now, he was probably in an S shop, and had zero chance of making major.

[@MrAjfish]

Sorry, what's an S shop?

[@lip124]

He had to been support with the Bs, he's talking about.

[@cmbara102]

​@@MrAjfish It's what we call our Staff groups.

[@kurtwicklund8901]

I suspect he was enlisted not commissioned.

[@batteredskullsummit9854]

He didn't have a trace of officer in him, why do you think he was commissioned?

[@c_c_pants9539]

Ah yes, the infamous Armchair Warlord. This person unironically shills for Russia claiming absurd shit like "Losing 50% of your forces while trying to cross a pontoon bridge is getting off easy" or just continuously rants about the upcoming cauldron. His war copes/predictions are at least funny, compared his lesbian fanfiction writing lol.

[@Kat-gp6gj]

Compared to his what?!

[@madhukarjonathanminj2772]

@@Kat-gp6gj i don't know but this is the second comment mentioning about the dude writing fanfictions and loli

[@thepewplace1370]

I'm really not interested in hearing an artillery officer from coin era talk about spearheading a contested river crossing...

[@electricant55]

@@thepewplace1370 what’s coin era

[@thepewplace1370]

@@electricant55 coin is the fancy acronym for the counter insurgency model, which was a paradigm shift in how US/coalition forces dealt with the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan. I was basically using it to say how his experience is in low intensity, asymmetric battlefields, where the enemy had little to no artillery, which isn't really comparable to the Russia/Ukraine war.

[@BNRmatt]

I don't know if Gonzalo Lira has had a mental break in the last five months or if he's just allergic to opposing opinions, and facts, but he really doesn't feel here like the same person who you "debated" yesterday. He seems pleasant here, albeit very credulous and self-satisfied.

[@CharlieH99]

After he kicked LP from his show and called Brian his attitude changed 180 degrees

[@BNRmatt]

@@CharlieH99 Interesting. I didn't watch that part because after over 90 minutes I was just exhausted.

[@kasualmechanic4854]

@@BNRmatt *you watched the entire fucking stream?* Damn, respect. I stopped watching it the moment Lira called the Bradley a jeep, like that moment just broke me.

[@vayate1234]

Lira is a Russian shill and can't win on the arguments. That is the reason why he was so hostile and screamed over everyone. So his delusional fanbase can pretend that he is winning a debate.

[@Zarastro54]

He was friendly here because all these guests are at some level on the Russian propaganda train. Alex is the closest to being “normal” but he still often trusts Russian sources and makes outlandish speculations that favor them sometimes. His “discussion” with LP and Destiny was meant to be a virtue signaling lecture to prove how wrong they were. He all but admitted as much, even though he denied it when specifically asked.

[@peterbarca8783]

Even the conservative estimate of RU admitting to losing 5k in such a short amount of time is ridiculous. Keep in mind that these were the casualties figures that were stated and kept by the Russian Ministry of Defence during the first 3 months of the war. Three. Months. Do you know what the casualty figures of KIA for the effin Soviet Union's War in Afghanistan that lasted a whopping 10 years? 14,000.

[@nukclear2741]

Even worse, this isn’t a guerrilla war, but a conventional one, so losses will be even higher than those sustained in a guerrilla war.

[@Bardghost_Isu]

I can’t fault the marine for moving to Asia, it does leave him closer to the crayon production facilities.

[@CircusJeanie2399]

scrolling down I was looking for the marines and crayons comment, but I wasn't expecting this😂

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

Yeah.

[@TheCornerCaseMan]

Crayons are best when they're freshly made.

[@klonoa450]

"I think the Russian army was underestimated going into Ukraine" Pfffffft the cope from these guys

[@odinsrensen7460]

Which is weird, because you'd think Gonzales would be squarely siding with Ukraine - you know, living there and having a Ukranian wife and whatnot.

[@healspringy6300]

@@odinsrensen7460 Well, that guy probably a pro-Yanukovych shill or just want to be "based" from the West

[@XxCheese69xX]

@@odinsrensen7460 from what i heard he’s divorced. Which would put all the puzzle pieces together, lol

[@jakublulek3261]

We underestimated how hard it sucks.

[@murphy7801]

Honestly I don't get the point of what there doing as content. Bunch people who don't know anything talking in a chat room.

[@JosephKano]

Wow just watched the round table "discussion" Gonzo was tossed in the pig pen and completely devoured by the pig. All that will be found is his awful glasses.

[@highjumpstudios2384]

I'd say it's more like Gonzo set up a whole pig pen inside his house, invited a pig in, then got eaten while yelling to a live studio audience he wasn't in fact being eaten and the bacon would be ready soon.

[@JosephKano]

@@highjumpstudios2384 threw himself in the pig pen. Yurp, that checks out.

[@gekko99]

Gonzalo Lira lived in Ukraine for years and never even learned how to sound out Cyrillic. He needed his wife/gf or whatever to read basic road signs and town names to him

[@zofiaskokowska6816]

Or, you can always ask a stranger... They would be happy to help. People in Europe speak many languages....

[@wastedwizard5112]

Mfw I was with a Bulgarian chick for 2 years, only visited the country for 2 weeks and I can still read Cyrillic. If that's true, that's just sad

[@zofiaskokowska6816]

@@wastedwizard5112 Not everyone is a genius like you.

[@gekko99]

@@wastedwizard5112 ive never been outside the US and i learned to sound out Cyrillic because i like the Stalker and Metro games.

[@enriqueperezarce5485]

@@wastedwizard5112 Bro I learned how to sound out Cyrillic words but only in Latin alphabet though

[@saulgallagher5668]

How can anyone call themselves "Armchair Warlord" and take themselves seriously, let alone expect to be taken seriously

[@Nonsense010688]

well "armchair historian" is a good channel in my opinion at least and one could think if there is a good "armchair" historian, maybe the other armchair guy also knows what he is talking about.

[@saulgallagher5668]

@@Nonsense010688 fair point... but can I point out that "Armchair X" means you're not an expert in X

[@Nonsense010688]

@@saulgallagher5668 the name is ironic sure

[@miguelpachon3513]

@@Nonsense010688 Armchair Historian isn't a good historian tho.

[@georgethompson1460]

@@Nonsense010688 The only thing i've watched from Armchair historian is his falklands video in which he purposely reinturprets the facts to make the argentinians look better. Falklands from argintinian perspective shouldn't just be argentinian propaganda.

[@babitz0r]

If you're unaware of Gonzalo's history, especially from his days when he was known as CoachRedPill, I envy you.

[@enoughothis]

I noticed that his channel went quiet when the war started, I thought he was dead.

[@babitz0r]

he pretended to be on the run or something

[@johndonwood4305]

There are things about his "disappearance" that seem odd. I remember before he disappeared he did videos mentioning that he had a good night's sleep and then he immediately went into a rant about how he was afraid of being detained and I thought that seemed suspicious because a person fearing for their life would be stressed and unable to sleep well. The next thing that made me suspicious was that everything happens to Lira offline in that he claims to have been detained by state security but it's not impossible for them to have arrested him during a livestream which would make it more credible, but no, it happens when there's no camera around so we only have Lira's side of the story to go on. Thirdly, Lira claims to have been warned not to leave Kharkiv or wherever he is, but they don't even make him wear an ankle monitor or something, some kind of documentation, or even send an officer for a routine check every now and then which Lira could capture on a livestream to prove that he's been telling the truth. Why would they even want Lira to remain in the country at all if he's promoting the enemy? Fourthly, Lira should have acknowledged his gratitude and relief that it was the state security services took him into custody and not some militia that abducted him like he presumed it might. Despite Lira's claims, Ukrainian state security has not even made a statement at all. Until there's actual evidence, I'm sure his disappearance was for attention for patreon subs/money.

[@Ponen77]

@@enoughothis Didnt know who he was until the war started and one day I saw Russian propaganda sources claim that he was arrested/kidnapped and killed by the Ukrainian forces, some versions it claim was the Azov etc etc. the usual claims and outrage but no actual evidence. For me my usual response is wait a few days to a week for more info to emerge. And after waiting a bit it emerged Gonzalo was fine and dandy and he was uploading vids on yt, probably just went off social media for a bit to make social media headlines.

[@highjumpstudios2384]

He's WHAT?!!?!

[@morecowbell69]

Call me crazy, but it's possible that Gonzo was still a bit upset over this video...

[@kikidevine694]

He's just chronically upset about pretty much everything as far as I can tell. Many MRAs are.

[@BayouVeteransInterviews]

Ughhhh... I am a retired usmc sgt. That doesn't make me a geopolitical expert. Also it doesn't make me a military expert. Ugh....

[@marcogenovesi8570]

You have a lot of experience babysitting teenagers though

[@exorbitantprivilege]

A marine! We're all very proud of you for writing such a complex sentence!

[@brandonclark435]

@@exorbitantprivilege He isn't a Marine, he'd have written his comment in Crayon

[@jahjah7495]

@@brandonclark435 How very mean of you but Marines can read and rite unlike the jam jars

[@BayouVeteransInterviews]

@@exorbitantprivilege yea I know we all eat crayons....

[@revanati222]

Weapons don't win wars. Apparently, (insert favorite infantry) wins wars, because they are 1000 times more powerful than (insert favourite enemy) because they are not my favourite. I know this, because I am an armchair general with 47 years of experience in Warhammer 40k.

[@artzilla3]

In the grim darkness of the future there is only war

[@cjckdbdhx]

"It is the third millennium. For more than a hundred weeks the pig emperor of KZbin has sat upon the golden throne of Scotland"

[@Farhan-rk1mt]

Dear God, I genuinely feel terrible for Lazerpig for having to slog through that.. just the amount he reviewed made my head hurt, I can't imagine how much worse the rest of it could get. You gotta love him for making content like this. Bless you, and thank you for the good work.

[@ramblingsofadash5159]

This is just 1 of over 5 other videos. He spent over an hour talking about just 30 minutes of a 2 hour video

[@dynamicworlds1]

Bless his liver for surviving the amount of alcohol he needs to drink to get through these and give them exactly the level of respect in his response that they deserve.

[@livewyr7227]

I didn't think GL could get less coherent, but then I watched the first few minutes of your interactions with him. Destiny made it longer than I did. *salute*

[@hedgeearthridge6807]

33:00 When my dad was in US army basic in the late 90's, the instructors had all of them spaced out in an open field, wearing ponchos, holding their rifles, squatting down, in the middle of a lightning storm. He was and still is terrified of lightning, and having cloud to ground lightning popping all around you, being drenched and battered by heavy rain and wind, was one of the most terrifying things he's ever experienced. But he had to stay calm, and it was part of that preparation for combat. They also had them in trenches moving targets at the ends of shooting ranges, with bullets cracking over their heads nonstop, desensitizing them to suppressing fire. Lazerpig is absolutely right about this

[@kittytrail]

instilling PTSD even before the first combat experience is pretty smart as that's how you kickstart a new market for your VA friends. 😋👌

[@FuZZy-ToAstY]

@@kittytrail So you’d rather a whole lot of enlisted who weren’t going to cut it in a real battle get themselves and their comrades killed because they weren’t weeded out before boot camp graduation?

[@jameson1239]

@@kittytrail so you would rather them panic the first time their shot at for real and get themselves killed

[@hedgeearthridge6807]

@@kittytrail Well thankfully the only long-term effect he had was knee problems. This was before the Army discovered the invention known as Knee Pads, and dropping onto your knees on asphalt multiple times a day, every day, tends to be bad for them.

[@theotherohlourdespadua1131]

That problem has been a thorn on the US military side since the American Civil War when they found out only around 10% of a unit fires their weapons during combat. It was during the Vietnam War that the US military has created a(n all too) successful "Killer instinct" training program to make the recruits more aggressive...