the GOOD & BAD for TSW5: San Bernadino... (US Route Gameplay) - What Needs To Be Improved!

[@cActUsjUiCe92]

The ballast color not matching the adjacent terrain disappoints me the most. This is something so elementary yet messed up time and time again.

[@craigbishop8368]

I agree about the track and ballast shadows, they need to be extended further. Actually, all shadows need to be extended. I have a powerful PC and I would love to use this power to see much better extended shadows. It would be great if they would at least make it an option for PC owners. We also need lighting options too.

[@pickle4293]

Dovetail is: - Still using default UE4 lighting in 2024 - Still using the same crappy particle effects as previous versions - Haven't touch LOD render distance and shadows - Same old shader compilation stutter - Cars hovering Forget about the gameplay for a moment, Dovetail needs to focus on fixing the graphics.

[@e575fho]

And still selling what is essentially the same game, time and time again. When will people learn!

[@fokuz2025]

Exactly they need to focus on 1 game they should've fixed everything on tsw2 they just want money sooo badly🙄

[@SerenModz21]

they also need to stop clinging onto UE4 and update to UE5

[@pickle4293]

@@SerenModz21 They tried that once in TSW3, decided to downgrade in TSW4.

[@SerenModz21]

@@pickle4293 ah, right. do u know why they decided to downgrade? the upgrade would be nice since directx 12 could provide some performance benefits

[@RandomChannel36186]

Been waiting and checking the channel all day for this one

[@tsguy-h3q]

The ballast color thing is an issue in quite a lot of routes actually. Examples include Peninsula Corridor, Birmingham Cross City, Great Western Express, S-Bahn Vorarlberg, East Coast Main Line all have this problem.

[@Trainspottinkid]

I feel like everyone including me was saying hi to you,blu games,richy rail,british ace and tintin57

[@trainsimsociety]

Appreciate that! It was kinda hard to keep up 😅❤

[@Keither754]

This route has the potential to be the best of the TSW5 core routes. I’m also an East Coast USA user so I prefer NY/NJ content, but overall this route looks pretty decent. A bit expensive maybe (but that’s normal at this point) but I’m kinda excited now lol

[@goldenstateaviation2861]

As a Californian I’m not happy about this route being the core us route. We should have gotten something outside of LA because we had AV last year

[@MbtaVideoClips]

I did notice that when you radio the driver, ingame they just say something like "alright lets go" when in real life they would say something like "(railroad) (service number) is ok to go" (keep in mind irl they use the same radio frequency as other trains on the line, so just a simple "lets go" could confuse other trains)

[@TBTboston]

Yes, I agree. I was kind of supprised when I first heard it on the stream

[@rjames45_3]

honestly i had my doubts on this route but my mind changed. obviously some lighting on the track could do some work but i am anxious for this!

[@trainsimsociety]

Yeah, they did a solid job! Excited to give this one a go!

[@stevenk9245]

i see that they have a Redlands run game play. I hope they will add the Arrow train set- "Arrow line" from San Bernardino Downtown to University of Redlands

[@The.NycStuntMan]

I just pre ordered the special edition

[@RailfanMax66]

another thing i noticed was incorrect for this route was some of the train symbols. I realize this is such a minute detail and doesn't really affect much but when a double set is coming out of the CMF yard it bears a "QQ" symbol suffix as apposed to the "Q" suffix on a single set coming out. Regardless im still thrilled to see this route!

[@Legofunboy1]

the cars getting blinded at 13:15 😢

[@farrelps96]

8:21 with what has happened in the past year in the states, I'd say that's pretty realistic

[@Porkibus]

As an NA fan I hope some day somebody creates a GTA Go Train route. Oakville Subdivision area is one of my favorites

[@Lala00722]

the stations looked good on antelope valley too so i was expecting them to look good

[@TB76Returns]

That is good news for US fans, certainly better than Antelope Valley. Plus it gives me a reason to uninstall Antelope Valley as the F125 is included with the route....

[@trainformerd4134]

The cars are floating 💀☠️

[@boismi]

Thanks for the honest review. Floating cars and constantly random texture pop-in makes TSW5 a no go for me. It’s not acceptable for > 100 USD.

[@boismi]

We can get Nobody Wants to Die for 30 USD to see and drive floating cars. 🚗

[@newyorktechworld6492]

What's up from NY.

[@DefAde]

Hi, I just want to give you some insight into the track shadows. The “new” track shadows are fake. Effectively what is happening is, after the 3D frame is rendered, a very simple algorithm looks at the track geometry and determine the track vanishing point and the closest piece of track to the player and draws a very simple line (like a kid with a sharpie marker) onto the rendered image. It can also do curves because it only needs a simple radius number to bend the drawn line. It cannot do track points because that would require so much maths that it would be equal in processing power to bend the line multiples and create intersections in the line, as it takes to just calculate and render actual shadows. What you can see popping into view when the train is driving down the centre of the highway is the actual normal shadows underlapping the fake shadow because the real shadow is longer (wider) than the fake shadow because the sun is low in the sky.

[@jazzdub4958]

Floating cars on the highway look hideous from the cab view.

[@THE_IRON_HORSE]

Honestly the cars on the highway should be a top priority or at least very high on the list because one of the coolest part of the right is the train running down the highway yet there floating and there not nearly as many cars as there are irl, I mean if they really got an Airbus permit then they can at least lower the cars on the street

[@timothybrown4258]

The freeway it's running the median of is the San Bernardino Freeway it is a very busy freeway cars congest it everyday except at night of course it's less busy

[@THE_IRON_HORSE]

@timothybrown4258 my freind sometimes sends me vids of this place not enough cars at all

[@19JGH71]

The track is the main point of focus for the player as well as the signals so I am bemused as to why the developers did a half arsed job of the track. Who signed off on the track being ready for release? I guess this is a “fix it later” type of issue which gets lower and lower on the priority list when shareholders moan they are not receiving increased monthly payments.

[@potatoman451]

Track has always been not great in tsw lol

[@TriuraniumOctoxide]

I also watched the live stream - the route is great, but visuals / shadow popping for the track ahead is actually more immersive breaking than TSW4. A complete deal breaker for me. And I agree that at times the track looks like a lump of plastic - the reflectiveness or the colour pallet is so far off, I could not believe no one at DTG has noticed.

[@SuperDave30]

Here’s my opinion since I’m huge passenger rail fan of TSW, I definitely can’t wait to operate this route, the scenery seems ok but like you said it’s the lighting few other stuff need work on.

[@jazzdub4958]

For once in a longggg time, the US route looks and plays better than the UK route. If I was only going to get TSW5, it would be for the San Bernadino route.

[@KiAnimeStuffProduction]

the only thing i have a gripe about are the brake release and some of the brake sounds for the handle ive got a buddy that runs on the AVL line and has ran the MP36 he was saying the brake release sound is wrong and is meant to be for the exterior sound and the brake valve the 30cw brake valve is suppose to have specific detent clicks thats very noticeable i personally own a Amtrak AEM7 30cw brake valve and ts got noticeable dentent clicks for each service application of the brake valve its self.

[@markh3195]

The ballast and track shadows are annoying. The cars floating on the freeway are an immersion killer, otherwise not too bad. But DTG need to spend 6 months on a route development not 4. Too rushed. I have already decided to go free update and wait.

[@AshSmash110]

A thought i had about guard mode is that are we only gonna see on map destination as valid tickets, and we won't see something like San Bernadino to Lancaster classed as a valid ticket (assuming that it is valid irl)

[@bryanhamilton4531]

Who knows they might fix some bugs before release

[@damderrick]

They will correct the shadows in TSW 6 or 7. Expect nothing more from DTG. They are still using a crappy game engine and the experience and immersion will be crap until a new game engine is introduced. I tried to like TSW, but I just can't until they fix the actual problems

[@potatoman451]

A new engine isn't going to solve any of the problems. Dtg still have to customize the engine to do what they need. A new engine means starting from scratch and none of your content is compatible. But it's not a cure to anything

[@metrolink860productions7]

I love this route

[@easternroutemainlinevideos6823]

Recycled exterior engine sounds which was expected. All that recording equipment and they still can’t get American engine sounds down.

[@MbtaVideoClips]

didnt expect to see you here

[@potatoman451]

It's all recorded from the real thing. There will be differences just due to audio compression and how sounds are mixed but they've put a lot of effort into it

[@bryanhamilton4531]

To be fair there are idiots that drive in front of the train to beat it so that part is realistic a bit

[@timothybrown4258]

Yea true but to go right through them is not good

[@Robert.S459]

The track has problems without a doubt. The highway on the other hand is really bad considering they plugged this as a big scenery feature. It is a complete distraction, floating cars, spawn points to close the the train, poor assets and no semi's. WCMLS on the other hand is a complete disappointment, poor lighting day time and at night and a complete lack of on track clutter and debris. It all looks, well just brand new, and not the Euston I know. Timetable issue's, and studio created sounds for the 390. Thank you for your constructive review.

[@potatoman451]

The 390 sounds are because they couldn't record a real 390. They also couldn't just not release it as that could be never. Unless you wanted completely wrong sounds

[@AshtonMorrison-wx1wr]

W vid

[@trainsimsociety]

It just went up but thanks 😂 😊

[@batallion..]

when’s ur discord coming out bro 😭🙏🏽

[@jsteph4040]

It's really nice that you talk about improvements and such about this route. But let's be real: they aren't going to improve pretty much any graphical issues for at least 3 months. Shadows and draw distance have been issues for YEARS. DTG hardly fixes any graphical issues because they're using an engine from 3+ years ago. UE5 would definitely help fix this problem, but they'll continue to treat TSW just like TSC: cramming new features in to an old engine, while taking out or dumbing down features already in the game. Ditch the last gen of consoles already and stop being greedy DTG 🙄🙄

[@potatoman451]

Ue5 would solve nothing. It's useless if you don't use it properly and if you don't optimize it. Dtg still has to heavily modify it to do what they need it to do and can run into more problems. You would also lose your entire collection. Would you want to buy everything again? Ditching last gen also wouldn't magically increase quality and the graphics increases tremendously. There's already major differences between last gen and current gen.

[@berniethebolt3007]

Cars that fly, passengers that behave like the walking dead, no elderly people or children or bikes or animals, nobody disabled, nobody in uniform, nobody by the trackside anywhere, nobody trainspotting, nobody doing track maintenance....on every single tsw5 route..

[@DarkWatcher-Gaming]

Hi they are gonna improve shadows next year, in tsw 6 or maybe 7 loool. What they need is for sony delist all tsw content like cyberpunk for they to learn how to improve framerate, i remember they say in tsw 2 streams 20 fps is acceptable, what kind of dev say this? is hawfull.

[@potatoman451]

Tsw isn't massively broken like cyberpunk was. Cyberpunk was just a big mess. At least tsw works

[@DarkWatcher-Gaming]

@@potatoman451 ya works, trophies/achievements broken, scenarios impossible to complete because some train in the path or a red signal doesnt turn, ya it works 🤣

[@Kadesh86]

they are very lazy on the scenery. like you said, they notice things, how can they not, but they don't care... they put some effort into the train stations but then botch the rest., I just hate that... they push half made lazy routes every month or so because they is no real competition. I canceled my pre-order after this stream and I will wait for the individual routes to come on sale. There is huge potential in TSW but they don't care and they don't demand quality from their partners. UPDATE: I do think it's trash because this is TSW 5, not TSW 1... there is little improvement and they don't even deliver on their promises (shadows, suspension, etc.)... also, no safety features yet again

[@potatoman451]

They can't add ptc because it's just too complicated to implement and there's little information online. Might seem easy to read but it doesn't mean it's easy to implement. There's a lot of technical things related to ptc

[@davinhuffaker4670]

I said it and i will say it again, they should also add the f59PH and PHI

[@LC25av]

100% the phi won't be added 2 the game 😂

[@potatoman451]

Metrolink no longer has phis

[@LC25av]

@@potatoman451 did they scrap them all or they still have some but hidden frm the public?

[@potatoman451]

​@@LC25av they were retired and sent elsewhere i believe so dtg couldn't go record one or get reference material

[@davinhuffaker4670]

Just because they don't have them doesn't mean they can't find another ph or phi to use for sounds, etc.

[@WJP1361]

They seriously rushed the US, welp better luck in TSW6💀

[@potatoman451]

The same could be said of wcml and any route

[@JasonB748]

Acceleration is way too fast for a mp36.

[@JetWash944]

It’s not dumb to complain 😊 This stuff has been broken since it released almost 8 years ago. They sell TSW5 as having fixed track shadows and they don’t work. It’s infuriating! The issue with the track ballast and road lighting etc is down to the way they’re setting up the materials. The material setup of the track ballast and track bed is different…why?! I just don’t understand how the higher ups (which I’m afraid means Matt) don’t see that, see it’s wrong and do something about it. Be certain that whatever you saw in that stream is what the game will be like at release. Nothing will change.

[@potatoman451]

Matt probably has to make decisions based on budget and time and such. Remember there are higher ups above him

[@timothybrown4258]

​@potatoman451 true but little things come on they gotta look at the little things

[@johnbrown8570]

It’s spelled Bernardino