The Gospel Conspiracy

[@mewells]

My grandmother was constantly trying to get us to church and as a kid I had huge resistance.. especially because my grandma modeled being a Christian as "sacrifice the self, others are of more value than yourself". This expressed itself as loads of shame and guilt for doing anything for one's self. On her death bed as the veil was dropping for her transition she told my mom "I think I got it wrong". The teachings of Paul are meant to do exactly what my grandmother believed and suffered through... until she was with the divine at her physical end and knew the truth. What you're going to reveal will ripple through the awakening consciousness and bring hearts back home ❤ looking forward to being a witness 🙏

[@ablanccanvas]

I didn’t grow up in a religious family, but my neighbours were Baptist + as things would go, my parents allowed my sister + to go with our neighbour Sunday school teacher to experience Sunday school + a sermon. Imagine my surprise finding out how sinful/tainted all humans were. It felt very wrong upon hearing this information. Never went back to experience any more of that. Eye opening to say the least. Am still exploring + seems there’s still a lot to explore! 😌✨♥️✨🇨🇦

[@BecomingMatriarch]

This was so profound. Thank you for sharing❤

[@Kizsaip]

That's wonderful she was able and willinh to pass the Truth along even if it was on the last moments. It's terrible how many have suffered thr self oppression amd devaluing throughout their lives because of these corrupt teachings. It was a part of my programming too. The good and bad of the Bible was pasaed down to me. Thankfully I came out of it and didn't infect another generation (my son) with it.

[@kathleenwharton2139]

God Said to “Love your neighbor AS YOURSELF” not more than yourself. She got it wrong! 😊❤

[@wendystewart6123]

Link please

[@divinehealingwaters2389]

I was raised in church, spent my whole life in the church til about 7 years ago. In the church you're always taught to never question God but I saw so many contradictions. One of your 1st video series was a major confirmation for me that I was on the right track. Thank you for all the work you do. I may not comment much, but have followed you for several years and appreciate your content. Thank you for being a true voice in the wilderness. Looking forward to watching on Saturday.

[@julierackow8964]

If you're taught and never question things you're in a cult.

[@inthesky7836]

This topic needs to be seen far and wide especially for ALL Christians. I agree 100% about this deceit in the scriptures

[@KoreGameplay]

Would love for this message to not be behind a paywall.

[@NuanceOverDogma]

You could not be more wrong. He’s making things up, he’s just another grifter selling his con.

[@aCarolinaGal]

@NuanceOverDogma How could you expect anyone to respect your opinion when you're offering it *before* even watching? You should come back and watch, my bet is that you'd learn something. Much Love 🙏🏻💕

[@TerryFimbres]

The great deceiver

[@TerryFimbres]

@@NuanceOverDogma I do believe he is a salesman. All these KZbin platforms are just human speculation, but so is the Bible. You have to realize the disciples that turned their back on their teacher their gospel was written in shame. It is all part of a necessary experience that this journey deliberately created for humanity’s emotional refinement. The truth of our existence has never been spoken to any human being. Everything is speculation in separation from God the truth had to be hidden in order to create this experience that will be revealed to everyone at once no one has or ever will have the opportunity to say I knew what was going on. That is the cosmic joke no one knows.

[@judyfritz2061]

I grew up a Christian, about 4 years ago when the Holy Spirit woke me up to how we’ve been brainwashed about everything and that God was delivering us from this system that enslaved us I was so excited to see what God was doing it’s literally the great awakening!! I thought my church would be excited to know this but instead shut me down ! Sadly the church is one of the most brainwashed and blinded of all! I left church a year ago in June and have been searching for the truth ! I’m thankful I found Aaron’s site ! I definitely want to watch this teaching! Gospel!!

[@GoldClaw7]

Right, its because the modern church is big business. BIG BUSINESS. And changing their tune will cost them money and they cant have that.

[@Bkwankelobi]

So happy to pay $33 for this presentation. It’s perfect timing as I’ve started reading the Bible as an adult. Thank you Aaron and 4DU for this offering! ❤🎉

[@MySportsShow]

I thought it was free :(

[@NAVYA11]

@@MySportsShow its 2 parts and like 7 hours all together ! massive offering !

[@NickNardini]

I have a very similar story to you. I seeked God as a Christian and was gently led by the hand away from Christianity. I can't wait to see the knowledge you have to share. I will definitely check it out. Your a great light worker, keep doing your thing!!

[@AirAlchemyApothecary]

If anyone can cover this topic with the utmost dignity, respect, and compassion for everyone involved, it’s you Aaron Abke. Infinite blessings for your presentation this Saturday ❤️🙏😇🪬🌀🕉️🌬️

[@NuanceOverDogma]

He’s a charlatan trying to sell you his grift

[@nataleighdewitt7600]

You obviously have never heard any of his teachings.​@@NuanceOverDogma

[@Alex722]

@@NuanceOverDogmaYou don’t know what you’re talking about. He makes real research on scriptures, he doesn’t just theorise. He also makes sense and you even don’t have to take his words for granted. Everything I’ve heard from this man, I have confirmed in my own experience and with some effort for checking things.

[@Exposed777]

Thank you for doing what you do!

[@linoramirez9993]

I know we are not supposed to compare, but what you are doing brings me the same expanding feeling that I got when I read about Paramahansa Yogananda. Peace be with you and many blessings for bringing this illuminating information to light.

[@Emilysvargas]

Can’t wait! Thank you for all your research and passion ❤

[@krishnapartha]

God bless you. Keep it up. I can’t wait.

[@IamAlexandermichael]

Thanks for All you do brother 🙏🏼

[@feelthepeace]

Is there any one else who FEELS me ??? ... in the early 70's I was about 8 ... an only child of a single mom who did not attend church (her family was Catholic and older siblings and their families did). I was enamored with Jesus, I wanted to be the Love that he lived - I found friends from school - I was in 2nd, 3rd grade mind you - and went to church with them. As a teen I gravitated to the evangelical church due to their fervor for God. I didn't have these words for it at the time, but I was driven to be 'one with that which created me'. I the early 80's I was studying the 'control issues' to organized religion and had walked away from the church because even by age 10, I KNEW there was reincarnation. I also vehemently could not agree that it was a 'one and done deal' (heaven OR hell) ... I learned more about what Jesus taught through Eastern philosophies and resonated with Gnosticism, the Essenes teachings, Taoism, Baha'i, Christian mysticism, etc. ... than what I could read and get from the bible (other than what was written in red, I've said it this way; 'writtenin red', for decades now). By the mid 80's I absolutely loved ACIM - as I LOVE! reading and listening to Jeshua ... I can so distinctly tell when he is speaking, and am so grateful to him as a 'way shower'. I've described this because - I've watched Aaron, your more recent videos on this topic and podcasts with André Duqum ... Just recently I feel I MAY HAVE been an Essene - one who came to them and lived outside of them, wearing the different headband colors (as you, Aaron described in that interview with André) ... I'm having difficulty with the expression or way to word how I feel when you speak about this ... I cry, there's HUGE anxiety in my body, I feel angry - I love Jeshua like I KNOW him, or I have been with him - or heard/listen ... (when I've been shown other past lives it comes in bits and pieces, that the bigger picture comes together) ... it's as though I know he was scapegoated ... that I know the truth that you could NOT speak on (never talk bad on the 'narcissist', they will just bear down on the illusion of the perception they want to maintain control of ... Perhaps it's just that I am like that in this lifetime - I would never save my own asz by lying. Even if the truth holds me responsible in an unflattering light, even when I am wrong. And this has 'cost' me (in this lifetime today) in many relationships with those who have pawned off responsibility (not owning theirs) on to me. In my 20's I took on what Wayne Dyer spoke - do you want to be right or happy? I have chosen happy. Those who chose being 'right' needed me to be wrong ... I let them make a scapegoat of me. And somehow this and what your bringing to light, Aaron -- has something to do with understanding and healing. That much I do clearly see right now ... I have chosen / choose (forgiveness and) love ... and KNOW that Jeshua's gospel IS THE WAY! I love to hear you speak on this - any spiritual principles that in fact lead us to Truth, Aaron! Thank you! Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me. 🕊 🫶 💪 🪷

[@feelthepeace]

@SaysWho-yh8sb I really enjoyed this. Thank you so much for sharing!! 👊🤗

[@NaliniSingh-d9e]

Gospel thank you Aaron looking forward Love always ❤

[@AaronAbke]

Link is in the description on KZbin! 🙏🏼❤️

[@frikrautenbach2583]

Gospil. Cant wait to watch your take on this. Thank you for sharing light and love. Namasté

[@AaronAbke]

You are most welcome. Also, the commenting feature only works on IG. The registration link is right at the top of this video description ❤

[@mickeyc2137]

Omg yes i cant WAIT! Thank u so much Aaron for all that u are doing for humanity

[@karinodendaal5277]

This topic feels like the lost gospel which you are bringing to life...iv fallen in love with Jesus again ❤

[@Kv9UyjRJ]

Thank you so much Aaron for bringing light to the world and making a positive difference, and also congratulations 🙏

[@susankenny2004]

Looking forward to this gospel. TY Susan

[@MichaelErnest666]

Every Knee Shall Bow 🙏

[@Kathy-n7f]

Yea and while leading them to hell he is taking there money and getting maybe not rich but better off than these people cause I think most of these peoples hearts are sick and need healing and they don't have a lot of money and just want to feel better about themselves without a judge

[@carmelaburrone5029]

Im a long time subscriber who doesnt comment much. I thank you for all you're doing to bring the TRUTH to mankind and look forward to watching. BLESSINGS 🙏

[@maryhart9950]

Amen me 2

[@jeffreygoldstein6808]

I walked away from the Church 21 years ago in search of truth and the light. Eventually, I found them both within me.

[@Lynne-v7t]

Can’t wait for this I’m super excited it resonates so much with my heart! Thank you for all the work you have done and are doing to bring this into the spotlight I feel the world needs to hear it now 🙏🏼

[@JoeDobronski]

Thanks again Aaron! this is so valuable for our future, for our children ❤️

[@AaronAbke]

@@JoeDobronski couldn’t agree more

[@nmtumbleweed5320]

Aaron, you are the person who should write this book!

[@AaronAbke]

Oh it’s coming! 😄

[@oscarpaiz3325]

sweet! Bringing it all together. Versatility is amazing. Scared space 👏🏽

[@ajstarseed]

I had a vision I would do this. Then I realized all my visions weren’t about me but others. So ❤thankful for you doing this in my lifetime. 🎉

[@dkliberty6797]

God bless you brother! I'm excited to hear what you have to share. May the Holy Spirit protect you in this journey with us, and the Truth in your words bring many eyes to see the Light. ❤

[@kimstimbert6972]

I’m so interested in watching this Aaron ! I love your channel, you’ve taught me so much , thank you ! 💕

[@steventalbott6066]

Very excited thank you

[@tobeji1]

Oh Look forward so much to hear about this gospel

[@thzmaniac377]

History in the making, wow. Thank You Aaron, God Bless your beautiful soul. ❤🙏

[@strongnow111]

Ty so much Aaron!

[@earthblock369]

Thank you for helping share the true teachings of the living Christ.

[@christianthompson1473]

Bring it on. ❤

[@rachelorr9487]

Thank you. ❤

[@claracasucci-mcleod1464]

PHENOMENAL ✝️AARON….you are truly “ DOING GOD’S WORK “ 💜

[@Heatherrosesingsanddances]

This is super duper exciting! Ty Aaron!!!!!💚

[@JedHartHart]

Love your teachings Thank You

[@ManifestGirl7811]

Thank you Aaron, can’t wait 🙏🏽 as a recovering Catholic I’m looking forward to hearing this presentation 😉

[@bena.haggard]

Infinite Love & gratitude to you my brother ✝️🕉️🙋🏻‍♂️❤️

[@kmylin43]

I'll be there and I can't wait! Thank you Aaron! ❤

[@AaronAbke]

😁🙌🏼

[@mixmike101]

GOSPEL.. Peace Aaron! Love watching your vids. Might have to catch the replay. Thnx4 sharing the real story! Excited to see more..🪬 Kozmik Mike [descendant of Luther/ +1more eX-catholic loL]

[@goodtimesrolllimousinepart9247]

Gospel...Thank you so very much❤🪽

[@AaronAbke]

Link is in the description on KZbin! 🙏🏼❤️

[@faceitmakeup]

Excited for this topic! Jesus taught to "Worship my Father in Heaven" but Paul taught that we should "Worship Jesus" This became the birth of Christianity.

[@nelagarcia2657]

I spent 35 years in Christianity...from Evangelical to Charismatic! Been out for over a couple of decades. I love alll your videos Aaron! Can’t wait for Sunday 👏👏👏👏

[@RONIE-dr9hg]

We are all Gods, always remember that, brother Aaron your amazing.Keep safe everyone. 😊❤

[@lee-anndewet5801]

Gospel In South Africa, so unfortunately the time zones are a proto watch live. Love listening to you Aaron. Enjoy your teachings very much. Love to you and your wife and your precious little girl ❤️

[@jamescurry2733]

God Bless brother. Appreciate you

[@quantumman9900]

This will be a very interesting and revealing topic, I'll look forward to hearing it.

[@NAVYA11]

part One was incredible ! can't wait for part 2 this Saturday ...

[@faithmomma2416]

I will be there brother with an open heart and notepad!

[@Angela-zj5sx]

I can’t wait. I have been waiting for this my whole life.

[@kellibrooks9032]

Yes so excited....ready and waiting

[@blomst7888]

Aaron, cela a l’air extrêmement intéressant. Hâte d’écouter cette conférence 🙏🏼 Un grand merci pour tout ce que vous faites, vous œuvrez pour notre éveil spirituel à tous. Vos interventions et les leçons que vous nous offrez résonnent profondément avec ce que je ressens et me donnent les moyens d’évoluer vers l’Unité de Dieu. 🙏🏼✨💙🕊️

[@nikki2Kayz]

Sweet! LET’S GO!!!

[@artknocklife]

Oh I’m so excited!!!

[@kyledevane8782]

Can't wait!!

[@kylepage594]

I am so ready for this.

[@lisamarieanzaldua7352]

Looking forward to it!

[@rutniktrainer]

I'll have to catch the replay but I definitely want to watch. Your content is always worth watching. Can't wait to see this.

[@AaronAbke]

I hope you are blessed by it! 🙏🏼

[@TerryFimbres]

No one can carry your cross Christ taught the path to sovereignty

[@jessicagately29]

We are beautiful 😍

[@maureenmalone35]

Excellent subject to tackle!p

[@rethinkingjesus]

I am so excited for this Aaron and I do not think you are overstating when you say this will be the most important teaching you have ever given. I was a devout Christian for decades but left 20 plus years ago. I came back to Christ when I read the writings of Paramahansa Yogananda and realized that the story of Jesus I had been taught was formulated to allow an elite group of Politicians and theologians to control our minds and lives and become wealthy and powerful. Today the person of Jesus is deeply embedded in the collective consciousness, especially in the west, but I see it is a false Jesus that the Roman empire built from the writings of Paul. I have just begun to study this topic and I believe it is an idea whose time has come. I believe if this knowledge becomes known it will shift the consciousness in a way that will be epic! I am super excited to learn what you have discovered. Thank you Aaron!

[@AaronAbke]

Well said! I’m glad so many are waking up to this truth 🙏🏼

[@user-mr3fx6hi9i]

Looking forward Aaron 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽😄

[@LuaZehn]

I just started theology college, and I’m so excited for Saturday !!! I’ll be there ❤

[@AaronAbke]

🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@Hermetic7]

OMG Aaron! I just asked this question of a person with a religious studies degree this week! My question: Interestingly I have heard Biblical scholars (and I am not one so have no idea if the concept is accurate) say that Christianity should more rightly be called Paulianity. The idea being that Paul did not really agree with the whole of Jesus’ teachings and took it upon himself to re-write those teachings. So, what people call following Christ is actually following Paul. Is there any truth to this? The answer I received: There is a solid argument the Christian Church is Paulian in nature. The reasoning comes from the declaration of Paul that he was a disciple to the Gentiles and received guidance through visions that in some cases were not aligned with the teachings of Jesus. One can see that tension in Acts, particularly between Peter and Paul. In Acts, attributed to Luke, Paul's physician, Peter and Paul laid their case for the rules the Gentiles would be subjected to before James the brother of Jesus and the leader of the Christian movement following Jesus's crucifixion. James sided with Paul that Gentiles would not have to obey all of the laws particularly the ritual purity laws of Leviticus. We don't know what else was discussed. We must also acknowledge that Acts was written by a follower of Paul. I would submit to you that the teachings of Paul are not the problem with the Church it is the misinterpretation and misapplication of the teachings of Paul and Jesus that are the problem. Much of this comes from a theology based on early Roman Catholic theology which amounts to an error carried forward. I say "error" but much of it was deliberate. When I give talks or lectures on the subject I remind my audience that when a religion becomes a State religion, the State changes the religion much more than the religion changes the State. It has to be that way or else the state chooses a new religion disenfranchising the old one. See Henry VIII.

[@kathleenwharton2139]

You are Right. Paul said some good things but most of it just took us back to the Pharisees. Maybe? Once a Pharisee always a Pharisee? The thorn in Pauls side was Pride..because he did not follow Jesus..he followed Church. But..Jesus Taught “Forgive and you shall be Forgiven.” Pretty much finishes the Story. No matter what Paul and churches do or not do..we gotta forgive them! I was a mormon! Now..there is a church to Forgive! 😊❤

[@raquelbelnap7252]

Gosple. Looking forward to the reply

[@merlecantrell1691]

I see the Devine in you brother I'm blessed to be able to follow you

[@ssharkarina]

Look forward to the recording! I’m in Australia, your live would be 5am. Thank you 💕

[@ButterflyHummingbird]

I’m really looking forward to this. I converted to Mormonism at 17, in 1977. But the first cracks started to show up only 15 years later. I also saw that there was a huge divide in the attitude of Yeshua (Jesus is just a Greek bastardized form of his correct given name) towards women as compared with Paul’s-Yeshua revered women as willing students and teachers of children but Paul despised women, even though he had a female companion by the name of Thekla. Now I have only to write my Letter of Resignation, requesting that my name be removed from the records of the Church-a church that by all rights should actually be named The Church of Paul of Latter-day Saints. In the Book of Mormon, in 1 Nephi Chapter 13 [between 600 and 592 BCE], it is prophesied that a record of the Jews, a Bible, should proceed forth from the mouth of a Jew and that when it did, it would contain the fullness of the gospel of the Lord, but there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book (vv 23-24, 28). For those of us in the know, this happened at the several meetings of the Council of Nicaea, beginning in 325 CE. Not everything in the Book of Mormon was made up clap-trap; there are a few truths, like this, in it but NO ONE SINGLE VOLUME of ANY sacred text has ALL the truth. There is no single religion, institution or spiritual tradition that can truly lay claim to having the totality of truth! Creator, Great Spirit, God/dess, whatever name you give to your Higher Power, wouldn’t do it like that. When you think about it, the Divine, as a loving Creator Being, wants us to come together in unity of purpose, not be isolated islands of different believers. So, a little is given here, a little more there, and so on, like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle so we’d have to come together in love, not war, to find our common truths and beliefs and focus on those, working from there. You know, take what resonates and leave the rest. I no longer believe that Joseph Smith, Jr. was a prophet of God. But I do believe he was definitely what is known in UFOlogy as a Contactee, of the original gods of the Old Testament, those beings known as THE Elohim! These beings consisted of both benevolent and malevolent entities, as this is a Universe of duality; which ones worked with Joseph should probably be a matter of devoted prayer or deep meditation. (Sorry faithful Mormons, Elohim is NOT the name of God the Father…..unless we’re talking about the Sumerian god Enki/Ea who literally combined his own DNA with that of homo erectus, presumably with a microscope in a laboratory, but there are other ways to combine DNA that aren’t so scientific 😉. Nevertheless, Enki/Ea does consider the entire human race to be his children but that’s a whole ‘nuther rabbit 🐇 hole not intended for this already overly verbose discussion.)

[@hyrumalatriste1000]

Let’s Go-spell and create our reality!!

[@roberth6375]

Dude you're resurrecting Moving Backwards! The OG'est series you ever did 💯🔥 So freaking stoked for this, just signed up! Thank you for bringing back the OG content ✝️🕉️🔥

[@AaronAbke]

Haha it’s a throw back for sure! But locked and reloaded like never before 🔥

[@NoniCatty]

I do 🙏❤ and I’m in ❤

[@annagarcia2493]

Galatians 1:6-12 New King James Version (NKJV) But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

[@5675492]

Nice - the narcissist Paul saying that he is to be believed before you would believe an angel of the lord . I think the only suffering that Paul really endured was having to haul his own giant ego around .

[@DIBBY40]

"But I tell you love your enemies. Do good to those who hate you." Jesus

[@younierexminegamer442]

i would love to see your classes this weekneed, but as i live on Brazil, and here we don't use dolar, that would be too expensive for me to buy. A very sad ending for me. I hope in the future you could talk about this on your chanel, i would be very pleased and grateful!!

[@leeluvse]

Yesss!! I’d love this!!👍

[@ValentinaHaros]

✴️ Ultimately Huge✴️ Picture & we are part of it We are All of It 💫All ONE🌟🙏🏼

[@essenechurch]

So happy to discover your channel bro. Great stuff! I just published a book about Pre-Pauline Christianity. I look forward to your masterclass.

[@AaronAbke]

I love to hear it. We need more people spreading this truth to the world. Thank you for your work!

[@essenechurch]

@@AaronAbke 🙏🏻

[@macbeavers6938]

You are looking good "daddy":) "All begins and ends in mystery". --Ra

[@robertharris2530]

Gospel❤❤❤

[@ablanccanvas]

Looking forward to what you have to say. 😌✨👍🏽✨♥️✨🇨🇦✨🌎

[@brandongwinn8893]

I dig the lofi quality of this video ❤️

[@Theiowaassembly9837]

gospel....would love the link to the recording. Can not wait to watch this. Thank you!!!!

[@perffect10n]

Can't wait

[@petervanzyverden]

this was Arden and Pursa's gift to Gary Renard in "The Disappearance of the Universe"

[@nataleighdewitt7600]

Great work, Aaron! I've come across a bit of discrepancy with Paul's teaching which is mentioned in the Urantia book. How he literally made up sin and confession in his teachings. So I am VERY curious to learn more. Thank you so much for your beautiful devotion to our spiritual ascension! 🙏

[@AaronAbke]

Does the Urantia book really say that? 🤯

[@nataleighdewitt7600]

@@AaronAbke yeah, when I have a minute, I'll send the quote and page reference. I'm off to work right now. 👍

[@nataleighdewitt7600]

Here's one from Paper 121:6.5 But Paul’s theory of original sin, the doctrines of hereditary guilt and innate evil and redemption therefrom, was partially Mithraic in origin, having little in common with Hebrew theology, Philo’s philosophy, or Jesus’ teachings. Some phases of Paul’s teachings regarding original sin and the atonement were original with himself.

[@nataleighdewitt7600]

There are also many references in the Urantia book that refer to his teachings as the Christian Cult. It's very consistent throughout the entire book.

[@nataleighdewitt7600]

​@AaronAbke I thought this was interesting: 98:7.9 6. The personal viewpoint of Paul of Tarsus. And it should be recorded that Mithraism was the dominant religion of Tarsus during his adolescence. Paul little dreamed that his well-intentioned letters to his converts would someday be regarded by still later Christians as the “word of God.” Such well-meaning teachers must not be held accountable for the use made of their writings by later-day successors.

[@NuanceOverDogma]

I noticed that this charlatan never lets people question his grift.

[@nicholasusansky9073]

I'll be there, dude. Handsome Boy

[@krisbuskey9534]

Hi Aaron! Late to the show! Very interested in watching this. Your videos have completely changed my whole view! How do I watch this? I know I missed the date but I’m watching a clip of you and Danny Morel. You mentioned getting an 8 hour clip?

[@lesleyannefaith3552]

I’d love to register but I thought it was free. 🆓 thanks. Love your work Aaron

[@ChristopherAune]

Oh, now it's got a price tag on it. You didn't mention that in the original announcement. That's okay. I think I'll sign up anyway. This should be good. I already discovered this on my own ... and a lot more, of course. Blessings!

[@pedrogarciasantisteban7808]

Good work! , Let the games begin .😅

[@Ard1t2169]

Gospel🎉🎉🎉

[@PattyCollins-in9fh]

Looking forward to 8/31!

[@cecehectori9579]

Can I purchase a replay of this? ♥️

[@sanjeevbjain]

I love you❤

[@thehumbledad]

Would love to hear you and @weshuff debate/have a discussion around these topics. You both have strong POVs but seem to contradict one another.