The Graded Video Game Crash Continues! When Will the Carnage End? Risks of Manipulated Markets!

Welcome back to Reserved Investments! In this video, let's discuss the ongoing carnage occurring in the graded video game market. The recent results from Heritage Auction's November 2022 Video Game Signature Auction are upon us. Unfortunately for speculators playing in this market, prices are still falling...when will it end?
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[@PatTheNESpunk]

Who could have possibly seen this coming?

[@LordsOfSkulls]

Anyone that been collecting video games 10+ Years, and not doing it as a investment, but as passion for the hobby. To play, keep, and preserve in GOOD condition. I hope Anyone going into buying Video Games, as way of Investing like a Stock Market. Hope they all go Bankrupt. I also feel same way about Resellers. I am okay with "FINDERs Fee" but not when its buy every copy in store, because this game you can flip/charge on ebay x2.

[@vgrepairs]

@@LordsOfSkulls welcome to capitalism bud. Dollars aren't printed on rose petals with angel tears. there is no "fair" market.

[@LordsOfSkulls]

@@vgrepairs Ohh i am good, i already got every game i wanted that came out in last 30 years. I feel bad for anyone new to the hobby.

[@blackjuju5154]

You did, Pat. I was watching you say it over and over again.

[@radrob4403]

Somebody recently bought the Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild for the Nintendo switch first print for $10,000 at Heritage auctions but it was a 10.0. The true first print for The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild on the Wii U hasn't sold for $10,000 that I can recall. People are overpaying for these graded video games and it's insane!

[@latinsizer]

When you have comic book and sport card collectors come into the market and try to apply the same rules to video games, it is not going to work. Pokemon, Zelda, Mario are some of the most printed games for any console and there is old collectors who still have sealed cases of 6 sitting around and jumped on the opportunity to unload them on the market. Now the market is saturated with those titles on every selling platform including Heritage.

[@jackal27]

As an archival collector, I’m watching this with a smile and a full heart. Hope these market manipulators get what’s coming to them.

[@blackjuju5154]

This has to be one of my favourite channels on KZbin. You are a fantastic content creator and commentator, Shawn.

[@ReservedInvestments]

Thank you for the kind comment. I’m sure you’ll find many who would disagree with your assessment.

[@forbeatssake1530]

I’ve been waiting patiently for your take on the recent market drops. We knew this collapse of prices was coming and here it is. Now it’s a guess of where things will stabilize. 🍿

[@Kurtle001]

Shawn is the Goat 🐐

[@sawdatstyle]

Fantastic video as always Shawn, thank you.

[@teetoo3790]

Wow! I didn't realize the video game market had fallen like this. Great video.

[@image_comics9224]

Great video Shawn ! Looking forward to more of your videos going into next year... Hope you have a good Thanksgiving!

[@jakobh6257]

Always great info 🙏

[@ReservedInvestments]

Thank you!

[@Mousevengeance]

Preach man, preach. Great video 🙌

[@NoMiedo1]

Heavy stuff. Appreciate the content as always.

[@masterbuilder2856]

People keep saying the collectibles market is crashing. I keep saying it's not crashing, it was just a massive market correction that happened. The inflated prices caused by the pandemic could not be sustained and would inevitably come back down. So the prices came back to "normal." However, I agree with them one thing, the graded games market has definitely crashed. It sucks to laugh at it, but the sales manipulation was so obvious that it's hard to feel bad for the people that are, in a manner of speaking, stuck with some of these games. Prices should increase in the future for these, but at a slow moderate pace like a true collectible should...

[@johnnymartinez2500]

I saw you recently as a guest on The Sports Card Dad with Dustin and I appreciate the honesty and advice you give. I will hold off on purchasing collectables until read and correct my buying decisions by reading some the books you recommended in one of your sessions. I strive to keep an open mind and always open to listening and learning from others. Again, thank you and keep up the good work.

[@ReservedInvestments]

Thank you for the comment and feedback!

[@KeyKiller74]

To soon 📉 I hope this teaches people who invested in graded Funko pops & VHS wisely.

[@kami4242]

Outside of market manipulation do you think the current state of the economy is feeding into this too? Something losing 80% of its value in a couple months strictly because of market manipulation is incredibly scary when considering the future of investing in collectibles like this.

[@pessithemystic]

Enjoyed that quote at the end there. I definitely think that’s something that we apply to all aspects of our lives for sure.

[@jedirun]

yes I knew this would not last forever and now it will be interesting to see where the prices will end up at going forward, we need more videos on video game collecting :)

[@humblecartoons3483]

I personally appreciate when you add some emotion to your videos because it adds personality and shows that you're serious about a topic. I know some people in my college that have lost a lot of money in the collectibles trade with graded video games, and specifically marvel trading cards. When they really should be saving up to pay off debt and won't admit to themselves they have lost and end up never selling the item. And it hurts to see that loss of trust from a trade that I really do love.

[@humblecartoons3483]

This is a bit off topic but it's crazy how the "Investing" culture is in my college. If you talk about investing, even with the finance and business majors, all they talk about is how great crypto, nfts, trading cards, gold, and other collectibles are the greatest investment ever. And you mention the stock market or real estate and they all laugh saying "That investment is too slow". It's crazy lol

[@MightyJabroni]

@@humblecartoons3483 Just goes to show, that teaching common sense ist the most important .... and the hardest to do. Crypto is a complete hogwash. When the times get tough, speculative play money is the last thing on people's priority list. So in times like now and the foreseeable future, these markets will keep bleeding liquidity. Because speculation is a past time, that people have neither the money nor the inclination for, when the essentials are uncertian. We see it in crypto, we see it in collectibles. A finance and business major seems not to be worth much these days if basic stuff like that doesn't register.

[@Mitjitsu]

@@humblecartoons3483 That's an admittance they're speculators and not investors.

[@ToMaClueMeShell]

You kept warning everyone. Still following your channel from France

[@Odinoian]

Interesting to hear about the warehouse find! I talked to someone today about new old stock games existing out there. People don't buy it though. I guess time will show

[@silentk59]

People are Rubes....

[@SeazonHDx]

Thanks keep it up👍

[@darkhorse6770]

Is it a good time to buy 1977 psa graded star wars cards?

[@tomneijnens4048]

Thank you very much

[@lowrollerscratcher3563]

Are you doing ftx collapsing video how does it effect collectible items and stocks market

[@ReservedInvestments]

Most likely not, due to how far behind I am currently, but it may come up in other videos.

[@alfredocamba1995]

Any word on Omega x Swatch I'm trying to analyze a Neptune sold for 2200 then 750 then 2600 then 800

[@R26Roman]

Shawn you called it! The think is "investors" buying at a high speculative market are the ones getting hurt. Anyone else selling into the market because you were already in the market made a killing. I know I did with my used games because many people thought these priced were valued to low and could sell them higher 😂. Either way great points 🤘

[@nunomoniz3788]

Nostalgia causes the wave

[@CMRetroGaming]

great stuff

[@johnwho4794]

The video games market isn’t crashing. It’s merely reverting back to its pre-pandemic market state and that the trends are implying there was a high probability of market manipulation shenanigans during the WATA/HA associations. Also the WATA trends are not correlational to video game collecting in general, and they are certainly not reflective of the Pal/European markets.

[@mynameisforrest]

Hahaha, real comedy. You have been the voice of reason all the time

[@rickd6476]

Hey Shawn, a year later and it feels like a lot of the high grade games have dried up. Is this to be expected in the normal course of the market?

[@ReservedInvestments]

Most likely a lot of people don't want to sell in a down market.

[@retro_escape2969]

It's unfortunate that folks lost much of the value of their graded games if they bought during the hype period. However I'll also say that I've happily taken advantage of the drought and purchased my first graded game at a smokin price. Currently waiting for it to arrive later this week!

[@kurjan1]

Yep... and funky pops are next!

[@khadorstrong]

Im not sure why this is sad for us. Someone spent a BUNCH of money for something they thought they could flip into even more money. Why should we feel bad for that?!

[@bat2275]

Is the carnage in graded video games going to spread to modern post 2000 comics? To an even greater extent? Your opinion?

[@ReservedInvestments]

It won’t be as bad. There is a ton of that stuff out there however, and I’d be cautious if buying for investment long term.

[@scottywalker701]

I need to find a warehouse find of my own.

[@TheMicahwitz]

Thanks to your advice I sold last year before the crash!!! Thank you for your wisdom!!! All the Timmy’s out there should’ve taken note!

[@JohnSmith-zl8rz]

Why you sell? you are not a gamer? You only are into video games for the money?

[@TheMicahwitz]

@@JohnSmith-zl8rz I play video games. Only idiots call themselves gamers as an identity. And if you’re smart, you know that last year the market hit its peak and now the crash is here. You need to rewatch some of the previous vids on this channel.

[@JohnSmith-zl8rz]

@@TheMicahwitz first I watch this channel since the first videos, second I don't care about selling, I'm a gamer and collector, I don't buy or sell games for money. I have many sealed games that refuse to send to the assholes of WATA, I'm collecting for the love of games not to make money with like the "dentist".

[@TheMicahwitz]

@@JohnSmith-zl8rz that’s dumb.

[@JohnSmith-zl8rz]

@@TheMicahwitz no, dump is support the scammers/manipulators of WATA, dump is think that this games will go for tons of money like the Timmys around, I'm just a collector, I don't care or want sell my pieces.

[@zandelscomicsandcards7543]

Yup. People need to understand the difference between regulated and unregulated. Huge huge difference.

[@TOSStarTrek]

Realy? This is the 2nd find I know about. Might get some to flip. If they are 12 back action figures. They apear to be 80s Star wars action figures. What shocks is some the old PC stuff gos for good money a FX-8350 still brings 80$USD to 100$USD used. You made you point. Plain to get a FX-8350 for my PC/TV setup.

[@TheSportsCardDad]

Buying season for the 'vintage games', at least for me. But I'm not buying with the expectations of a rocket ship to the moon, just little gains over time and a cool store of value

[@Minilopo18]

Hoards don't stop coming because things get old too if they were made in great numbers in the first place. Athenian tetradrachms and Canute silver pennies are prime examples in ancient and medieval coins where hoards entering the market en masse has made a massive difference in prices over the short, medium and long term in varying ways

[@skidoojosey6037]

Even the prices after the fall are pretty ridiculous. If you told people you paid $15,000 for a $50 game because it was in brand new packaging, they’d put you away. I also get a little nervous when a 66 CC dollar is worth 4-6x a 64 CC dollar. It’s pretty hard to call them “rare” when you can buy one any time you want. I wonder then, is this investing or feeding the ego by having the highest grade? What’s better for my children, having six of them or having the one? Yet the one 66 will usually outperform an equal dollar investment in a lower grade of mint state.

[@radrob4403]

Don't forget the Call of Duty 4 for Xbox 360 that sold for $50,000 plus recently via Heritage auctions. Somebody overpaid for a super common game that will fall in price.

[@ReservedInvestments]

The ‘Timmies’ think this means the market is healthy. 😂

[@Rik-fl7wy]

As a collector I was always amazed at the prices million mario was always a joke and ruined the market I wish I had sold during pandemic

[@TheSillySils]

Sean, would you be interested in buying 86 Pallets of graded Atari Spiderman games?

[@ReservedInvestments]

LOL! Nope, already sold a sh*t out of that stuff during the bubble. ;)

[@TheSillySils]

@@ReservedInvestments how about a school bus filled with Pogs and Pez dispensers?

[@ReservedInvestments]

I’ll pass. Lol.

[@TheSillySils]

@@ReservedInvestments Ok ok ok. Can I get like 2 bucks? God bless.

[@Rik-fl7wy]

Shaun I totally agree for ntsc us sealed wata was ways amazing compared to Australian and euro pal vintage market I think the highest game was sonic on pal megadrive 9.4 for $5000 at heritage auctions ebay sellers r still asking heaps I hate wata for ruining this market which I've been involved in about the same as you for video games

[@Rik-fl7wy]

Great point as an Aussie watching the market Greg games sealed pal sonic for 5g and the us going for like 500,000 was insane i never saw sealed sega ozisoft games as a kid

[@GardenerEarthGuy]

Imagine getting rich quick not panning out? Who would imagine something like this.... Timmy!

[@hellboundTX333]

Video games aren't rare items for the most part. I'll be happy to see prices to come back down so anyone wanting to collect retro games can afford it. We do it for the love of the games, not for profits.

[@le_med]

Do you yourself collect stamps?

[@ReservedInvestments]

Nope.

[@sethswanson3469]

Sounds like houses are next?

[@ReservedInvestments]

Housing has utility. A graded video gave has none.

[@sethswanson3469]

@@ReservedInvestments It’s all dropping as the fed tightens monetary policy. Each asset class will adjust differently with the level of speculation that entered that market.

[@ReservedInvestments]

You’re definitely not wrong, but I’d trust housing over a collectible.

[@sethswanson3469]

@@ReservedInvestments I agree with that. FYI I enjoy your videos since I’m in the finance field myself. Would enjoy if you expanded into other asset categories such as real estate, bonds, and ETF’s

[@Carnius797]

What're your thoughts on sealed raw ungraded games? Still worth holding onto or basically same boat?

[@ReservedInvestments]

Same boat, currently....

[@PaulRockey]

Pencils ready…

[@rainbowmusic274]

Any of you guys into guitars?...check out the 1950's Gibson Les Paul Junior market (FOMO)

[@weijingburr2392]

You're right it's not funny. It's hilarious.

[@carnivalhands2884]

Another quality video. A lot of places in the collectible market seem to be falling(correcting) in price. Are there any places in these markets that are thriving?

[@ReservedInvestments]

Coins.

[@shaunaskeet6739]

@@ReservedInvestments As stated in previous vids, "History always beats out Nostalgia" I remembered those words when it came time for me to make a decision and I am glad I listened to you! Any opinion on the recent Silver Eagle craze of the buyback premiums and major bullion dealers paying $10+ over spot to buy them back?

[@ReservedInvestments]

@@shaunaskeet6739 It's insane and solely due to limited supply as a result of the pandemic. Now here is the crazy thing about this, silver is actually not in short supply. It is simply because the US Mint cannot source enough blank planchets fast enough to outpace demand. As such, supply is down and demand for Silver Eagles are up.

[@nuffsaidxxx]

I'm thoroughly convinced that there was manipulation involved in this market. If you consider the effect of COVID and government stimulus, I still can't see how prices managed to climb to the levels they grew to. I hope that over time this market heals on its own where demand would finally meet the supply. Let's see what happens in the meantime in terms of the Class Action Lawsuit.

[@infiniteinvestmentgame2775]

I think most of those people will hold on for the long term waiting for it to go back up. The narrative for most collectibles is that it will turn around in 1-3 years and they will get their money back. I think this is proven to be false though

[@victorysla]

Those stupid Timmys will never learn…great stuff as always!!

[@BiffMcSkylark]

Big Bayonetta fan? :)

[@ReservedInvestments]

Yes.

[@NOLA-vv3sz]

Oh god. The Fed part though. The freaking Fed!!!!! Glad those regulations ultimately helped us out. The rest is spot on though.

[@ReservedInvestments]

Uhh…as someone educated in finance, the Fed is quite necessary. Usually people who tend to disagree don’t have the knowledge needed to understand. The Fed ensures liquidity and fluidity in financial markets and the money supply. You don’t have to agree with the Fed, to understand it’s a required entity…

[@NOLA-vv3sz]

@@ReservedInvestments Well, there are a ton of others who are also "educated in finance" who would disagree on the necessity of the Fed. Many who would disagree are smarter than you or I, and many who agree with you are smarter than you or I. So, I am not sure saying you were educated in finance means very much or makes your opinion better than theirs, mine, or anyone else's. Jim Kramer was educated in finance as well. So, were many of the presidents of failed banks, shuttered brokerages, and closed businesses. However, I do agree it is definitely necessary for liquidity. But that is not what the Fed does most of the time. If it were nothing more than a liquidity backstop, that would be one thing. But, the comment section is probably not the most opportune place to have that long a discussion. I found the apparent faith in the Fed to be the funny part though.

[@NOLA-vv3sz]

@@ReservedInvestments And incidentally, I agree with your takes on the collectible markets. Faith in government agency or its absolute necessity is just something that always gives me a chuckle. I can't help it. And yes, I know the Fed is technically a private entity. But, let's be fair, it is essentially a banking arm of our government. Either way, the Fed comment was not really to take the piss out of you particularly. If the Fed functioned properly, I would probably even agree with you on its overall necessity.

[@Septer_Sever]

Yeah, money is everything, sadly. Life's easier when you have it and harder when you don't. I wish people could see through the market manipulators hype train, but alas...

[@HermannTheGreat]

8:44 Wow, a fool and his money. 100k could have purchased several large game collections of every modern system and then some, really several game rooms.

[@Ocelot35]

Everyone here understands these markets. They're deadly.

[@nexiamania]

64!

[@gregorychiasson7739]

Dropping knowledge to folks with to much emotional attachment and involvement, in the end economics apply the same to collectibles as stocks. Don’t buy when speculation is high when interest drops then score some gems for reasonable prices.

[@Mitjitsu]

I think they'll be somewhat of a recovery, but only because people think they're buying on the dip. Not realizing that even the prices they've paid are overpriced. Things will stabilize in the long run once all the unsophisticated speculators get burned and exit the market. That said, going through the recent auction I do think some of the lesser known games sold for less than what they should and have a good chance of generating return when that buyer goes on to resell it.

[@WackoWambo]

Cope

[@alexanderkador534]

i beleive nerdy girls comics bought the zelda game for over 100k, i bet shes hurting

[@PaulRockey]

No matter what happens, I love collecting cib videogames. I paid $2500 for a cib Little Samson in 2019, and about the same for a cib Shantae in early 2020. I look at them every day, and don’t regret a thing. 😊

[@JTSuter]

Same here. And we have the option of reviewing the contents and playing the games if we ever wanted to. It’s accessible, and that’s what’s important to most CIB collectors.

[@TheMicahwitz]

I actually think this crash is a great time to buy nice CIB’s. I’m a huge fan of SNES and NES CIB’s.

[@ReservedInvestments]

You are aware, as repeated in almost every video, this is a collectible finance channel? Nostalgia and emotional attachment mean nothing on CNBC. The same can be said when you are watching Reserved Investments. I don't doubt you like vintage video games, a lot of people do. But...this is hardcore finance, collectible finance.

[@stevenewsome5306]

You must be financially established or making a big mistake. I’ve been unloading my collection a little over a year. I love the nostalgia factor but I’m not financially established. Before I convinced myself to sell I bought everdrives and sd modded consoles, so I can still play all the games on original hardware. Win win situation. Investing the money long term and have no regrets. It’s hard to let go but sometimes it’s for the best. If you’re in a situation where money is of no concern then keep them, if not maybe it’s time to sell. Little Samson cib Paid 2500 - sell 5500-6000. Shantae you could close to double. Both depending on condition and completeness. Good profits. The choice is yours.

[@WackoWambo]

🤡

[@timothyj592]

I agree with what you say and what you are defining/describing. My opinion, the market definitely grew too much too quickly. I think the demand is actually there more now then before just that the demand now doesn’t have as deep of a pocket.

[@reyrecks]

You mean my copy of Corey in the house for GBA is worthless? 😂

[@ReservedInvestments]

Probably…

[@dabradmp1]

It's maybe mean but I'm actually happy to see this market crash. I was insulted, ridiculed and ban for many groups and forum for saying this was a not a good market to buy and that it would go down. I have secret account on those groups and forum and now see those same people literally crying online for losing everything they have.

[@comiccowboy]

Pat does a similar video once a month and tbh at this point, I think we all get it. Don’t get me wrong I enjoy this channel, this topic just feels over cooked

[@sungaming4603]

I'm glad these people are getting burned. Glad I didn't get burned with my collection but then again I'm a different type of collector.

[@reelfishermen1521]

All collectables will decline for the next 4 year presidential term

[@mikepike7139]

The invisible hand of the WATA owo

[@unstoppableExodia]

Shawn is 100% right about The graded video game market. WATA and heritage auctions played a high risk/high reward game by manipulating the market the way they did. They made a lot money in the short term but once their grift was exposed the hype they’d been building died. Interest rates going up didn’t help matters much either. If they had not meddled and let it grow organically over time headed games might be selling for more than they currently are because potential buyers would have more confidence in the market. Conversely for some one with a net worth of tens or hundreds of millions who also happens to be very passionate about video games now is probably a great time to buy graded games if the market will recover and they’re absolutely convinced they ll be worth significantly more in the future but can afford to take the hit if they don’t. Only a time traveler who has future knowledge knows exactly if and how that particular market will recover. I think it definitely will but the unknowns are when the market has hit rock bottom, when will the recovery begin and at what sort of average rate will prices go up over time? I think it will take years for the bad taste to leave the mouths of collectors who fancied themselves as investors who got burned by the hype. I think what will eventually draw new buyers in is the certainty that demand for graded games is organic and the growth in prices is commensurate with the growth in interest in the market. Graded games going from 30k to a million over a couple of years should have always seemed suspicious.

[@ParallelUniversity]

We knew this was going to happen. We all had the information to know it. Anyone who has watched this channel, or the Karl Jobst video, or Pat the Nes Punk videos knew this was going to happen. Those who jumped in uninformed have only themselves to blame. All the information was out there to connect the puzzle pieces and see the future. The only questions remaining were how soon it would happen, and how fast.

[@ReservedInvestments]

We still have Timmies arguing though that the market didn't 'crash.' I have no idea what universe these people live in.

[@madjoe8622]

There was plenty of videos on YT that explained the shady relationship between Heritage Auctions, WATA and the expensive sealed games sold 1-2 years ago. If someone don't want to listen, well, he lives in fantasy land and will lose money.

[@MRkriegs]

I think its funny, let the hype beast burn

[@MightyJabroni]

The big tomfoolery about graded video games is that they form a market, that has no real fundamentals. Because actual video game collectors don't collect video games, just so that they get to look nice on a shelf. They actually like to play these games in their original settings, tickling the nostalgic funny bone, that drives these markets. People enthusiastic about video games, wanting to play these games ... imagine that! Most actual video game collectors just roll their eyes when they see these absurd prices for massive print run games, like Zelda and Mario. Games which are not rare at all and are almost trivial to collect. This entire graded video game market is 98% make believe and has amost no overlap with actual collectors. It's a dumb chase after the price tag and nothing else.

[@collectibleinvestorIG]

Don’t own any games but it’s hard to distinguish market drops when everything dropped. Coinbase stock for example dropped from $280+ to $40 today in this same time frame (April 2021 to today). Some of the sharpest analyst said it was a buy at $200+…Many billion dollars companies are down 60-70-80% from all time highs. Should people quit investing? Sucks for the guy that paid $50k but I’m sure they are participating in todays prices as well so things may average out. It’s not a collectors job to time markets.

[@WackoWambo]

🤡

[@collectibleinvestorIG]

@@WackoWambo nice burner account! All your 5 comments in the past 7 years have been on reserved investments videos! ☹️

[@ReservedInvestments]

Name another pop culture collecting category that in some cases is down over 100%? I’ll wait. You think this is just a ‘normal’ drop?

[@collectibleinvestorIG]

@@ReservedInvestments I’ve never known any investment to drop over 100% I thought that was the max. But the topsun charizard had a much worse drop. Also, a Luka Donic rookie card took a $1 million hit last week from the previous sale. I don’t think people spending $50k on games are “hurting” like you say.

[@ReservedInvestments]

@@collectibleinvestorIG Yeah, what would I know. I mean I just offer consulting services and have people come to me telling me with their stories. Dude, no offense, your comments and reasoning are laughable...just because you like video games does not mean video games are a good or even prudent 'investment.' Do your own research...

[@patiencezero-xc9zl]

Like they say, "life is hard and even harder if you're stupid." Who are the idiots still buying these games at the LOWER prices? I am not sad for people who bought into hype like this....not at all. All I want to do is laugh. I have no tolerance for truly dumb people.

[@carriemathews8608]

Perfect video for me I am totally addicted to those kind of videos thumbs up!!! You need to look into *Promosm*!!!

[@BoxCatKeys]

Just finished viewing the 1-hour long special collaboration between you and GetTheGregGames 🤌🏻 So many great takeaways. The part of the convo when the two of you discussed the differences between investing “then” and now was probably most thought provoking, in my opinion. My generation is beyond guilty of operating in these markets driven by emotion and stubbornness. Shame, too, as it’s beyond evident that people are losing big because they chose not to educate themselves first. Not that I didn’t play a small part myself (because I did), but on a much smaller scale. The emotional self enjoys having comics regardless how much the value declines while the financial self while unburdened still questions the thought process of my decision making process. It’s a constant battle 😅 Anyway, thank you for the fantastic and Truthful insight as always!

[@ReservedInvestments]

That was a good collaboration. Thank you for your comment and feedback. I’m glad you got something out of it. 🙏